why this game sucks right now

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00:00 Intro
02:20 What's Broken?
03:50 Teaming
05:30 Class Balance
06:25 Game Design
08:09 Wizard Discussion
10:17 Trigger Warning
12:08 We Need INFORMATION
12:20 Damage Numbers
13:30 Rangers
15:45 An action packed sequence.
16:42 Wizard Gear
18:00 Mouse 1
18:16 Sitting on The Floor
19:51 Everything is Your Hard Counter
21:51 Jiggle Physics
22:54 The Barbarian
27:05 LAG
29:17 Class Stats
30:44 Closing Thoughts

[@TheSpudHunter]

Not to shill myself but the uncensored version is uploaded to the paid members on Patreon ( www.patreon.com/TheSpudHunter ). Will try to do more stuff like that when KZbin get's all moody and age restricts content. Cheers for the support guys!

[@BornToKill780]

No joke I would have broke everything I can c if I lost my kit like that

[@TheSpudHunter]

Especially when you're trying to do the Demigod bs on Wizard hahaha, it's mind numbingly painful to lose the juice kits to that @@BornToKill780

[@400racr]

you need to edit the link to remove the end paren @TheSpudHunter

[@TheSpudHunter]

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[@senorcat7853]

If you’re looking for some new games, have you considered Hunt Showdown?

[@k0lpA]

I paused the video every 5 mins to sit on the floor for 2 to have the real wizard experience

[@ix905]

immersive AND lore friendly

[@nathanscarlett4772]

This is exactly how it feels to play cleric as well 😮‍💨

[@nathanscarlett4772]

@pureblood9477 great question. And I'm sure I'm other longer cmt got deleted on the same video. I'll have to check back later

[@SMega]

@@nathanscarlett4772 i dont really play much but why does this also apply to cleric - i thought they didnt have meditate - or you mean using campfires?

[@nathanscarlett4772]

@SMega you can use campfires, but again, it's still waiting and sitting on the ground to replenish your spells. Anyone can come up to you and bonk you on the head, lol

[@Bishop1664]

They could just have spells recharge constantly (but very slowly) as you’re running around, then have it boosted when by a campfire or resting

[@adrianoss.bougas3720]

or...they could have spells only recharge from campfires like the past, but still keep them powerful like before and stop arcade-ing the game with classes like the warlock

[@Murasame13]

@@adrianoss.bougas3720 Warlock is ridiculous right now lmao

[@hewas9738]

Maybe have it so meditate dosnt make you sit down? You can still walk, but not attack or cast spells

[@cesars7281]

Or just add cooldowns to the abilities and no recharge crap. That would require a complete rebalance though.

[@Murasame13]

@@cesars7281 A lot of shit fundamentally needs to change from the ground up. Invis mechanics, spell casters in general, barbarian-ranger multiclass with throwing axes, fighter ranger multiclass with crossbow and throwing axes, the list goes on and on.

[@RealNotASpy]

Well actually spuddy what you need to do is log off the game, apply to work at Ironmace, get hired, fix all of Dark and Darker’s problems, be hailed as the games savior, rise through the ranks and become future CEO, make connections with other development studios to promote the game and make millions in revenue, find a lovely lass to make your wife, start a family, invest in real estate, grow old, and pass away peacefully surrounded by your loved ones. Only THEN will wizard class receive passive spell regen or a mana based system.

[@TheSpudHunter]

XD

[@dcoiyt]

Teaming in solos has been an issue for a while, but lately it's been a nightmare. EVERY solo lobby it's 8 timmies all trying to get "Highly ranked" by playing trinket simulator and portal opener. Bridge on ruins is now a chat room.

[@user-iv5yk4nr4q]

And if you make the mistake of bringing any good gear in you get hunted down by a pack of wolves the entire match

[@hobosnake1]

​@@user-iv5yk4nr4qall teaming should be bannable. At most it should be allowed to have a pact not to kill eachother, but not help eachother either. 4v2s are lame. 5v1 is lame. That shit all sucks.

[@StoutKen]

Ugh yeah the VoIP initiated 4v2's are cringe. "Hey there's this other squad over there, want to come kill them with us and split loot". Yeah the VoIP didn't happen in the pregame lobby, but how is that any better

[@SomeBody-kn9wt]

@@StoutKen yea... pregame lobby is a desolate wasteland populated by tumble weeds and the ingame voip is somehow even worse

[@tylerrossman6116]

i mean it’s a dungeon looter. by all means necessary get out alive with the best loot. make pact. loot kill backstab its all on the table

[@brianking5282]

Trying to get through exemplar to demigod has been the video game equivalent of stapeling my ballsack to my thigh and trying to hop around while being chased around by big hairy men yelling at you

[@MrPhillish]

you're a poet thank you

[@JohnSmith-j7n]

When the hairy men catch you do they kill you or fuck you? Both?

[@stankobarabata2406]

What's wrong with big hairy men chasing and yelling at me? You tryna kink shame me or something?

[@bolptolgaker1330]

Give barb a stamina bar that drains with each swing or thrown weapon and when it runs out you have to sit down for 10mins before you can attack again haha

[@ix905]

peak barbarian gameplay that would be funny, suck it and meditate to get your throwing axes back

[@seraphcreed840]

Haha that would be great. The true barbarian experience , you have to drink a whole beer before you can fight again

[@EsotericCat]

preach spud. the sad truth is most players in COMPETITIVE PVP games will take the path of least resisitance for most reward. in overwatch recently there was a tank (same thing as bard) with the best healing, dmg, and tanking presence, and instead of self moderating people just abused it since the devs took forever, month and a half, to fix. most barbs just want to win and will bandwagon to the next META

[@Rizzerio1]

The issue is the meta is too suffocating for the relativeness of the other classes. All of it stems from poor design/tuning. Then because of this issue, the devs have to split their focus between balance and content in order to keep their playerbase from crumbling. It's almost like these tuning patches are doing more harm than good by frustrating the player base with constantly upgrading/downgrading viability of classes within systems that hard lock questing/stash space/economy progress to each individual class and not the account. I don't want to hear, "it's beta" anymore because I didn't pay to perma test the game for all eternity. This product is substantially different than what we had in the play tests, so this is upsetting to have such drastic directional changes after having paid for the product. Anyone who doesn't think Dark and Darker is self sabotaging it's own success, albeit they put in a lot of effort, it's not working and the growth/popularity/hype have all halted to a crawl.

[@Murasame13]

@@Rizzerio1 This.

[@ryanscott2745]

You can't depend on the community for balance. I quit playing Overwatch when Mauga came out. It's a pretty bad game now anyways lol.

[@jollygrapefruit786]

Overwatch is a hentai game who tf cares about balance lol

[@zachseeman5235]

The N.A. severs also rubberband like this. It's awful that the servers seemed better in the tests than with these diminished player counts.

[@jessehunt154]

Playtests were on steam servers.

[@felipetomaz1087]

Only a coyolet​@@jessehunt154

[@firesupotree]

It had to be said, if the strongest, tankiest classes in your game are ALSO the fastest, your game sucks, and it's not up for debate. The jury is not out on this. Remember when we took invis and haste away because of what barb could do with them? I'm starting to think wiz wasn't the problem, lol. The class balance issue is deeply embedded in the games identity at this point, Fighter was 50%+ of the playerbase and wiz was under 5% and we let cries about how wizard was op dominate the discussion. Just because he was actually killing plate fighters as quickly as plate fighters kill everyone else.. when he's supposed to be a *gLaSs CaNnOn* to begin with, its just sad.

[@firesupotree]

Then again, what can you expect when people like this are platformed leaders in the community, and allowed to run private trading servers while simultaneously being a Senior Warden in the official Ironmace Discord: www.twitch.tv/martydad/clip/ApatheticArbitraryRutabagaDuDudu-Sm1K3yeZtM9dqbmz This cancer runs deep, and its just gonna keep getting worse if we refuse to excise it. I remember when hotfix #15 got reverted in under 12hrs because these people passed around a petition to literally quit the game because they called it boring.. I still don't see spuddy doing that, for all the shit he gets about his opinions.

[@floofzykitty5072]

Dark and Darker has the same issues a lot of "indie game with pvp" titles have where they are seemingly balanced in a non-competitive way but eventually the game dies because people optimise the fun out of the game. This has happened to SO MANY of these types of games it's insane. Deceive Inc. was one of the most recent ones in memory for me where at first the game is really fun but then there were like two agents that started dominating because they had abilities that were so valuable on top of people teaming. If your game is going to have PvP elements you CANNOT expect people to simply "have fun" with it. You need to imagine the worst possible way someone will use and abuse your systems when you make them and create measures against that.

[@servit0r]

Yet this amounts to work and if I just want to sell something I'd propably won't do it.

[@brianestepa2376]

This game is literally a hardcore extraction game. It's like Tarkov. It isn't "non-competitive." It is meant to be hardcore and sweaty. Thats the fuckin point

[@joshuawadsworth6417]

​@@brianestepa2376 "sweaty" and "fun" aren't mutually exclusive.

[@brianestepa2376]

@@joshuawadsworth6417 what exactly is your point? The game is fun because it is a hardcore extraction game. Point blank period. Tarkov has a cult following for the same exact reason.

[@alb1reo]

Imo Dark and Darker is unbalanceable. Every class is too different. It's more fun this way, but if every class was melee, just like how every class is ranged in Tarkov, maybe then you could balance it.

[@SusDND]

Rework meditate to be a skill that gives you spells as you move. Then rework resting for spells by making the spell in hand while resting have 3x the normal rate recovery rate.

[@NobleNemesis]

This sounds ideal- you could still jingle with the Meditation sound to make it detectable

[@beh256]

Like that's amazing and all but you only have now 5 spells and that's a massive cut nomather the pay off

[@ToobRust]

And while your recovering spells you're locked from casting

[@TheShizzlemop]

they already did that, sitting gives like 2x the regen it used to. the way spells are balanced is you need a campfire to regen them if they're above T1-T2 spells. high tier spells take FOREVER to regenerate, when i play wizard i just play for fun and do fire dagger with shield skill. the issue is that high tier spells take TOO LONG to recover, not that the regen is too slow t1 and t2 spells are basically instant recovery, its like 3-4 seconds of sitting. for a zap. im pretty sure ur abvel to recover all 5 zap before getting ur second fireball back. it makes no sense, its ridiculous, the high tier spells need to recover faster. thats all there's no point trying to spend 10k gold on a kit only to be 2shot by a ranger. or ran at and 2-3 shot by a barbarian who never even attempted to melee me and just threw 8 axes at my spine or have to wait 3 minutes placing a campfire and sitting before i can play the game again. i just run fire daggers with ball and use zap/icebolt as my only other damage spells + the shield skill, no meditate. i live or die by the blade.

[@SusDND]

@@TheShizzlemop I was saying that with the rest spell recovery buff hotfix in mind. Which if it was doubled after the hotfix then what I said would make the recovery 6 times greater than before the spell recovery update. My idea was that if you have a spell, like fireball or lightning strike, equipped in your hand while resting that spell would be focused by 3 times the current recovery rate. Therefore, you can focus the higher tier spells that take longer to recover and reduce downtime.

[@avengefulgamer3188]

You know I really wish this game had 2 separate modes, a PVE mode and a PvPvE or PvP mode. It seems like both sides of the player base are pretty frustrated or bored with the game. PvE feels stale and repetitive and PvP is never ever balanced. I would fucking kill for a PvE coop adventure mode version of this game but I know PvP would never be able to be balanced with mechanics like that in the game and I still want to PvP from time to time. This game is trying to accomplish too much all in the same mode/game. PvP killing off the PvE player base and PvE annoying and frustrating the PvP playerbase with "teaming" and non lethal lobbies. Ironmace needs to figure something out and I honest to god hope it isnt turning this game into a PvP battle royal because im tired of the battle royal genre.

[@Phazon_Storm]

Honestly making an SPdarkov style mode for PvE only would solve it for me. they don't have to change a thing, I'd just like a segregated mode to play by myself or with friends. would it be jank and feel a bit shallow? absolutely. but it would be a nice pallet cleanser and a way to explore more of the game like class and skill combos no one would ever use otherwise. development wise it might provide some interesting data. It's a stretch but I hope something like this is on the table at some point, because the worse the PvP balance gets the more people seem to want a mode like this.

[@darrenoconnell8328]

As a wizard main i've said soooo many times to my friends the same thing. They should just delete the class bc how weak it feels. It felt pretty good seeing you feel the same way and said the same thing. Kindred spirt

[@danielvulic6612]

It’s just badly balanced, top tier wiz is a death machine while no gear wiz feels like a water gun. They need to drop off gear hard and buff the class overall

[@IndicatedGoodLife]

Just remove every class and only keep Barbarian.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

​@IndicatedGoodLife who hurt you?

[@IndicatedGoodLife]

@@nathanscarlett4772 Fine, Wiz can stay aswell. There always need to be the hunted aswell.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

@@IndicatedGoodLife you wanna play the game where it's just a barb fuck fest eh? 🤔

[@C4H9N3O2-]

Started the wipe on Wiz and mained it. Did the quests and got the character stacked. Once they nerfed it and I played it for a couple days after I quit. Havent touched the game since.

[@Rizzerio1]

same thing happens to the players of all the other classes that go through these cycles. They main 1 class, it becomes unviable, then they don't come back. The only people left playing are the fotm rerollers who will meta pile till every lobby is 100% one singular class.

[@TheGlocktane]

I. FEEL. SEEN. Thank you for the validation in the pain 😂 This was the perfect laugh to end a long week! One of the fixes i think they need to address is the fact that Barbarian doesnt lose anything for raging down a magic class. He loses PDR to make up for the speed and damage... but against cleric, warlock, rogue, and wizard, woth soon druid... he loses nothing. No punishment. If they added a -20% mr on shout like pdr it could make it an approachable start to a healthy balance! What do ya think? Always value your opinion :)

[@TheSpudHunter]

Love your stuff dude, honestly, anything will help at this point. The biggest issue is you get run down like a dog as wizard. Maybe up the speed of him. All the tanks have speed burst. Haste cast isn't the same in reality.

[@EbolaBearr]

If they cap the throwing axes 1 guy can bring in, I can already see trios bringing in extra axes to give to their barb in raid lol.

[@BornToKill780]

No one uses barb in trios.

[@Jungus1999]

Bro Barb, especially Throwing Axe Spam Barb, is a Solo-Exclusive problem.

[@thejutopian6347]

​@@BornToKill780 That's untrue. Almost every RMT team has a barb. Almost every second Lobby has RMTers.

[@BornToKill780]

@@thejutopian6347 I've yet to c any of them. Mayb cause I'm east or playbrazil

[@Toothydeere]

@@thejutopian6347that’s crazy bc I’m exemplar see legit no barbarian players in trios bc Fighter is just better in every regard as a tank and melee DPS, plus better ranged options and instant 40% HP.

[@nydak522]

We really need a mana system for spell casters… I feel like it would improve the gameplay in a lot of aspects

[@IndicatedGoodLife]

Yea, so you can sit down to refill your mana instead 🤡

[@rzepakd1715]

for sure no

[@nydak522]

@@IndicatedGoodLife no… have you ever played league? Just be mindful of the spells your casting and how much mama you have and boom

[@nicholaswhelihan1968]

​@@IndicatedGoodLifeyeah, cause not like effectively every game with mana mechanic have a Regen in and out of combat.

[@L0wSkiller]

@@IndicatedGoodLife it would be better than sitting down every 3 magic missiles 😅 even if they each had stacks/cool downs, like you can hold 3, but you Regen 1 every x seconds. It just sucks that MM was nerfed to the point where if you aren't kitted you can't kill at most 2 of the weaker mobs before needing to sit down. I'd much rather be able to walk around and at least smack pots/boxes 😂

[@BeanutButler]

would it be a good change to: give wizard autorecovery outside of combat make sitting even faster meditation fully recharges everything not matter how many spells were used ?

[@kakashi4949]

Hilarious man and spot on. Also as a NA West player can confirm we get the lag spikes like that as well, and I have also lost kits the same way. Good points overall though and I agree with them. Hope to see IM fix these issues at some point moving forward.

[@afoekon]

They should lower the damage of thrown weapons and make them unaffected by stats

[@hobosnake1]

Also they should nerf the slow on throwing axes. Some people will just throw 10 at you. Yeah only 3 might hit, but thats a lot.

[@L0wSkiller]

​@@hobosnake1the real kicker is they picked up the 7 they missed so they aren't punished in the slightest 😅

[@Everliving69]

WHAT ELSE IS A BARB SUPPOSED TO DO?? EVERY CLASS HAS RANGED BUT BARB THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN 10 STACKS OF AXES TO EVEN HAVE A CHANCE OF KILLING RANGER, ROUGE AND WIZARD

[@RuckFussia]

​@@Everliving69 You are not supposed to be able to kill every class. The game is balanced for trios, not solo. Do you think it's just a coincidence that lobbies are full of barbarians?

[@jirilaska9788]

Nobody is serously playing barb in trios@@RuckFussia

[@verbatimshelf3121]

the armor use to look different based on the tier. did they change that?

[@swiftkd9144]

I think a good way to make wizard feel a bit more better in general if that everytime you sit down the meditation effect just happens. So you get your abilities quickly back. When i start a new wizard and use meditation get a bit of true/added magical dmg + staff i am just killing rooms super fast with my abilities then meditate and you can go to the next room in a short time.

[@shinobirs8973]

Preach brother. You speak for us all. Something you said a while back really resonated with me. It's that wizard is the most rewarding to play because of the way you can interact with your environment. I used to be exclusively ranger, but just got flat out bored of it. So, I picked up wizard. Right around the time MM was nerfed into the ground. Even through these hard times, with solo wiz being a meme and the barb issue, I'm still having more fun. The day will come when solo wiz will be on equal footing with these other classes, and by grinding through these tough times, while wiz is down bad, we will be made better players for it. Much love, keep up the awesome content!

[@-Medley-]

doesn't speak for me

[@RealSweatyGamer]

@@-Medley- Then you must have terrible views on this game brother

[@NotJvoo]

Idk I’ve always found move speed being so easily build on barbs more of the issue as opposed to the axes I die more times to a barb who was able to keep up with me bc he built an agi barb

[@graphite7135]

the issue i have is that everytime i have a driver install or windows update i guarantee will crash 2 times before a 3 minute grace period

[@willfullyinformed]

Love these videos, absolutely hilarious. Sorry you have to deal with that. I play off and on... waiting for changes myself. When is this coming back to Steam? :< Cheers

[@saiko1271]

i think they need to remove the whole rock paper scissors matchup gameplay

[@victorknudsen439]

I feel like wizard is to reliant on mid range forcing you into fights that you dont wanna be in. If there where more long range options franny barbs wouldnt be that much of a problem. In genreal wizard has to fight within range where he isnt safe and ever since the invis and haste nerfs that just isnt viable.

[@Smuggumery]

It’s a mid to long range utility character based on playing in a team. If you keep asking them to “fix” it it’s gonna fuck the balance of the rest of the game and actually ruin it.

[@mywifeleftmesonowimayoutub7729]

At first I really liked getting a bunch of ap with friendly lobbies, than a few days went by and I realized im not having fun with the game anymore. I tried doing pvp the next day and lost gear set after gear set to teams - and I just stopped playing entirely.

[@BrentMalice]

"i dont not condone despawning yourself with your own forskin" not all content creators are willing to give such a powerful message to their audience. thank you, spud.

[@ret7502]

I want damage numbers too but my biggest reason is I want to know when my hits don't register, like when ur in the lobby and u swing at the dummy and sometimes the hits on the dummy don't register and u don't get numbers, who knows how often that happens mid fight And information is always good, more information leads to more skill expression, I also want sound queues for when u hit head vs body vs limbs The headshot sound could be really satisfying, and getting a bunch of limb sounds tells the player they need to aim better and could help players immediately understand why they lost and how to improve "man I hit arm 4 times and he hit head twice and body once, I gotta stop panicking and aim better" more info more skill expression

[@ix905]

It would be nice to get to see the log when you die so you can spot hacks and the like better, a la tarkov damage reports

[@Rizzerio1]

One of the complaints I heard that was anti dmg number was that ranged dmg will just scan rooms to proc hit numbers and that not having them leads to less information that players can capitalize on. So if your sitting in the dark and a ranger is just spamming arrows into it, he'd never know if you were there or if he was hitting you, but if he had numbers to work off of, it certainly would change the dynamics of how people play.

[@RuckFussia]

@@Rizzerio1 You can hear the arrows hit and see a blood splash, that reason makes no sense. It's very easy to tell when an arrow is hitting the environment and when it's not.

[@ret7502]

@@Rizzerio1 I think that's an incredibly dumb argument, the fact that someone actually thinks that's going to be a viable strat depresses me, someone's really going to shoot dozens of arrows slightly moving each arrow to fully scan every dark corner in every single room instead of, idk, throw one torch

[@Rizzerio1]

@@ret7502 or aoe spells around corners, etc. It would change the way people play for sure if they know they are getting hits off.

[@EbolaBearr]

Honestly I wish they just used a mana and cooldown system like EVERY OTHER GAME WITH MAGIC/WIZARDS. Its already a tried and true system and tweaking mana regen, mana capacity, spell mana cost, spell cooldown and the actual spells themselves is a lot easier than the way they're currently doing it.

[@TheSpudHunter]

Make it happen Ironmace

[@hobosnake1]

Id love it.

[@Crimefridge]

@@TheSpudHunter Greed is Good's mana system felt way better to deal with, yep.

[@sekotsandbocaj]

I like the resting mechanic more unique and time restricted. I wish they just made arrows and stamina instead for range and melee classes. Wizards spells are so strong though. Up resourcefulness for wizards so they can campfire more quickly and not always resort to fireballing doors everytime

[@DunkSkunk]

​@@TheSpudHunterfar more appealing than sitting for fucking charges, no lie. Or just meleeing every mob because you have charges you want to save.

[@ravenwhite5944]

what do you think about every class having a third active ability that you cant change. examples would be fighter has second wind base line, wizards get somthing to deal with the aids that is the meta or get meditate or even have all casters get spell memory base line and they cant ten spell, clerics get holy purification, warlocks get demon form, barbs get blood exchange. it would require a massive rebalence of alot of classes but i think its a smaller undertaking then trying to do multi classing and would be more fun/eaier to balence. i think having a base line third ability for each class would open up alot more build diversity and give combat a little more depth. alos more tools for solos

[@stuu-pids]

the dmg on the dummys at 12:26 is bugged you can be a full kit barb and still only hit like 15 or 20 on it i think it just has really high PDR and MR

[@EZ-ry8fl]

Comment to support re-upload and Spuddy ❤

[@TheSpudHunter]

Cheers brudda

[@corneliussharp4127]

I am so happy this guy makes Dark and Darker content. Thanks for providing for the community and being passionate with your work. Continue to do it 🔫

[@sethmeek941]

What if Wizard had a perk where they restore spells based on your spell recovery per melee hit?

[@sizteen8507]

the damage numbers idea goes insanely hard and i cant believe i havent thought of that yet, also spent a considerable amount of time getting flamed on the discord today for the “sitting is bad” take but it genuinely does need to change

[@awkwardtree1834]

Haven't played in months. Don't really see myself coming back, which is sad. Thanks for sharing your opinion on the issues of the game.

[@SomeBody-kn9wt]

same... held the line for two years and recently i cant even bring myself to play the game without a wave of sadness and disgust

[@firesupotree]

You, and most of the original content creators that put this game on in the first place! The community has been astroturfed hard.

[@Xeilang-]

An absolute banger video! There has yet to be a single DnD video by you that has left me dissapointed. Good balance of comedy mixed with great opinions that are based on first hand experience.

[@TheSpudHunter]

I was pretty heated this one, was a struggle to try and make it funny at times. Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@SomeBody-kn9wt]

@@TheSpudHunter i feel like this is one of your best videos on this game because you care and want this game to improve... two years of holding the line is tough! but i believe in ironmace and i hope this game doesnt end up like the cycle :( 900hours in the cycle frontier man i miss that game

[@intscout4x4]

i usually lift weights or do push ups while i wait for meditate

[@nithia]

I have been hard stuck at wanderer on my warlock for about a month, but got to wanderer in like 5 games on my barb and dont see that slowing down for me any time soon. Guess I will just go demi with my barb to get the cosmetics while things are the way they are right now i suppose.

[@Buhdy]

We need clarity potions again.

[@koreyardoin3695]

My biggest gripe with the game is why the faq can fighter and barb have ranged? You've got a melee wrecking ball and a melee tank, both of which should be completely countered by range themselves. Yet someone thought it was a smart idea to give fighter bows and crossbows and let both classes stack more throwables than most classes have spells.

[@9and12wholepizzas]

Have you ever even played barb? 80% of the time you are taking gear off running them down naked with a torch just to catch them

[@koreyardoin3695]

@@9and12wholepizzas Yes I have. And you don't need to take anything off. What have you been playing?

[@nathanscarlett4772]

​@koreyardoin3695, exactly this. Other guy, what are you smoking can I have some?

[@9and12wholepizzas]

@@koreyardoin3695 I wear vigor gear not agi since I'm not a gay lord

[@9and12wholepizzas]

@@nathanscarlett4772 w33d

[@heyitsmkgaming]

The only thing that will balance wizard or the game in general is limiting the number of times you can deal ranged damage as any class. Ranged has to be deadly enough that you don't just get w keyed, but it can't be so oppressive and accessible that its the only viable option. Its not that hard, give ranged weapons limited ammo that recharges over time (3 axe charges that recharge one every 10 seconds). Give wizards strong spells with cooldowns instead of charges and change perks to specialize into certain spells. This allows them to be effective in PvE and PvP while still allowing counterplay. That would probably make cheesing PvE too easy but the cheesability of PvE is a whole different topic.

[@brianross9926]

In the ranged game I feel like bows crossbows and throwing weapons have such an advantage over spells: Generally a single click with no loud and bright charge up time, does more damage, unlimited use with no rest, unlimited range, travels faster, is harder to see and thus dodge or identify where the player is. I am pretty new to this game and I want to play casters but they feel so unwieldy. I felt like every fight I got in that if I tried to cast a spell I would simply be decaptitated in a single hit. The most luck I had was igniting my staff and going into melee and praying I killed them before they killed me which really doesn't feel very wizard-like. They really need some fast/instant cast spell system that includes more meaningful control. The duration on all control spells is incredibly short. And, landing spells is so tough with everyone just dodging constantly. Projectile Spells with a hitbox just clip the environment and hitscan spells feel like they never land when they should or have shit range.

[@neonboxdragon3782]

i have a what you call a goon strat in solos of trapping where i think the last room of portals are going to be in ruins then i team with people let them get trapped and kill them best way of combatting teaming

[@mikless6936]

Yeah keep basing all your beliefs playing solo only I didnt see you complain about ranger in his peak or 9g spellbook naked wizards rolling lobbies, why is that?

[@TheSpudHunter]

Because I did on live stream. I don't document every thought and word on KZbin.

[@mikless6936]

@@TheSpudHunter then why do it now if this issue is as easy as a balance patch

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

​@@mikless6936every issue is as easy as a patch that fixes said issue.... Thats how that works... The issue needs to be known by the devs. To be fixed. For the devs to know they either need to experience it or see people talking about it. What is spud doing? Talking about it. What a titan of intelligence you are man.

[@zachseeman5235]

if it were as easy as a patch, why hasn't any meaningful change happened in the past 3? also, I noticed the lack of bard.

[@caballarius503]

A cool thing could be a spell that is a magical mini game like unlocking that could be "mana crystal invocation" and it would be the lockpick variant game with a magic runic skin and it would go fast with several colored areas and depending on the final grade that you have you would get a small/good/high tier spell recovery

[@Benskification]

There was a game I played where they had different pain grunts depending on how much health they had left, in increments of 25%. So if you heard the pain sound that they were 25% or lower, you knew you had a chance to finish them off with one more good hit. I think thats an idea they could implement without killing any immersion

[@TheSpudHunter]

Quake

[@syterious8726]

why the game sucks... and its a 30 min video lmao.

[@colezeller4861]

Yeah and? Like all games you start out loving it only for dev and community to ruin it

[@jonchikponchik1717]

It's kind of like it's a well constructed video with a lot of different points

[@k0lpA]

10 mins of sitting down though

[@Royced5]

hope you keep spitting king, i do not have the patience to suffer through the game anymore hopefully changes are on the way

[@LaserReptar]

Watching the lag portion never fails to give me the most rage filled anxiety... But I totally feel you Spuddy, I haven't really touched the game in 2-3 weeks. It feels really awkward I think is the word i'd describe it as? I keep trying to do my best to copium my way out of it but man. Theres something really off and the community isn't helping in the slightest bit. Somehow they enjoy this weird cuisine we're being offered and I just don't get it... Just the other day I tried to have discussions w/ people around the community about them adding slightly more complexity to the melee fighting to start. You know, make shield bash viable... make tumble worth a damn, maybe add kicking/shoving, more parry options than just one damn weapon that is mid to B tier as far as i'm concerned.. But no one wants that because it would be too similar to other medieval fighting games? I dont get it man, the devs really need to cook and not listen to the masses because what the masses want is spaghetti and hotdogs instead of evolving to spaghetti and meatballs. Fuck, I think my line broke. =(

[@wagz781]

Some simple solutions: Add a magic recovery stat that gives you a very slow means of recovering spell slots as you move, and speeds up recovery during resting. Give the wizard two spells: Mage armor and Burning hands. Some THP at the cost of replacing one of your spells, and a shorter range but wider concentration spell to give MM some competition. Then you have burning hands be the higher damage of the two but shorter range while MM is slightly lower damage, perhaps just keep it at what it's at now, but increase the tracking on the missiles so it's more about accuracy and range. Alternatively, you can give burning hands a "shove" so the wizard has *literally anything* they can do against barbs.

[@patriarchyenjoyer69]

This game made me realize all I want is a co-op dungeon crawler with zero pvp.

[@Krrgo]

As a wizard main I haven’t played the game in 3 weeks. Even the new map won’t bring me back.

[@RocketFlareBlitz]

For Wizards: i feel like you could make a cooldown mechanic where if you use lets say 1/5 of whatever spell, its the longest cooldown for one spell to comeback. and if you spam all 5 uses within a span of a brawl or fight, the cooldown is shortest and gradually lengthens with each spell coming back. originally had the idea backwards but tldr the cooldown is like that of any other characters skills but its on a gradual scale to prevent spam and let wizard move around.

[@ryanscott2745]

Totally feel you on this. I quit playing the game because they don't know how to balance anything and it's almost entirely based on your gear or class, not on skill. Which just isn't fun to me. When I was playing, every time they would come out with a good update or nerf certain stats in gear, certain streamers or people that are already rich in game would cry and they would revert the changes. The second time I saw that happen I was done with the game.

[@Woolie]

if DaD put half as much effort into balancing as you do your backgrounds, we would be living in a utopia

[@clockworkbun]

I tried to talk to the devs in the discord about teaming when the solo dungeon was released and people called me bad and said I had a skill issue, like I guess if I can't team with half the solo lobby yeah

[@malimurphy8638]

I feel you spud as of recent I’ve uninstalled dark and darker because every time i play it I get bs’ed in some way that just ruins my night and I need a break hoping the big update is worth the reinstall

[@TwistedMinute]

Yea a lot of stuff needs to be fixed, but one way to get spells back if you got 10spells is camp fires but you still need to sit so not much better

[@WorldofSoupS]

spell slot system is cool and unique, but while i wish i worked, its such a hard thing to tweak. at this point they need to make it a mana system

[@Marcos-wz4hz]

what if the meditate perk gave you 2 more spell slots on the wheel??

[@ilovewizard]

not enough. cant kill a kitted barb with only 7 damage spells

[@Zendarshu]

Maybe an idea for Wizard could be that their one spell block (Q or E) has 10 spells, which would then allow you take meditate. Still have to sit on the floor a little, but it might help

[@GeorgeDeen9]

The only thing you see in solo que is Warriors with crossbow/ FRANCISCA AXE and second Barbs with FRANCISCA AXE . That's it,almost no other classes,rare ranger/rogue.

[@nicolaslemieux9217]

There should be an automatic spell regen but if you want much faster regen you sit or if you want all your spells back your meditate for like 10-15 seconds.

[@dotanon]

I think the need to rest is fine and I like the mechanic in that it forces you to find safety to recharge spells, but they need to remove meditate and make normal resting as fast as a campfire for spells honestly. Sitting for ~10 secs and keeping an ear open isn't too disruptive.

[@ExoduS_AU]

what if they gave wizards a spell, like ice armour or something that temporarily buffs their PDR and maybe has some small sub effects like applying a minor (10%) slow or a half-second stun to enemies or it reflects a % of the damage back as magic damage if they get hit in melee. it might take a few tries to balance it by tweaking the memory cost, PDR amount, duration etc. you dont want it to be an automatic "I win" button vs melee but it should be tweaked so that its enough to stop them being 1 tapped by steam tank barbs all day long. or at least gives the mage a chance

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

As much as I love barbarian. It really is the most annoying class. Second only to ranger. Every time I want to try something and have fun. A barbarian just ruins it(or a ranger). The only real counter to a barb is another barb or a reaaally lucky PDR fighter. Next problem is in high roller barb isn't really a problem cause high roller is EXTREMELY bloated with stats so it doesn't matter. The only solution to teaming is to add something that only 1 team can leave with and/or reduce the loss of dying. Less loss = more fighting. For example to the something only 1 team can take. Make bosses like troll and cyclops accessible to everyone(makes it a high point of contention rather than ignored by the vast majority of people) and make them ACTUALLY worth killing. This creates a point of contention that people would fight over the loot. Just loot at the extraction game Hunt Showdown. Teaming basically doesn't exist in that game.(you can buy back your entire kit immediately if you die if you have the money, and have bosses with the "big loot" to create points of contention and fighting. Dark and darker desperately needs one of these if not both)

[@nowories337]

I could be wrong, but I think the teaming issues are much more common in the high AP lobbies. Me and a buddy have gotten back into duos recently and we rarely see teamers. (playing in gray/green elo). Maybe low AP is the wave for actual enjoyable gameplay

[@TheUncleSlam202]

The spell thing seems like an easy fix to me, make meditation a channeling skill that takes like 10 or 15 seconds and gives you half or all of your skill charges back and add a percentile increase to the speed at which you gain them back while sitting and double speed at a campfire.

[@mikul3122]

When you think of a longbow in the context of a wizard spell. It's got - virtually unlimited use - easier to hit (than ice bolt or fireball for example) - high damage - fast cast time - can cast in the dark without alerting the enemy player - huge range. If I were to try to snipe with a fireball the enemy would easily dodge it. It's honestly dumb. And I don't even want them to focus on class balance because I know it'll be 20 more updates turning all these knobs way up and way down without addressing actual issues. And we won't get any new content.

[@lakshmibhudevi8285]

you make a lot of good points :D but I don't use the book anymore for a lot of what you are talking about >.

[@sebchoof]

really awesome video man! was wondering what was happening to the game lately havent been hearing about it at all

[@alex_drifto]

As a European server player I feel like we dont get that much lag but rubberband happens sometimes, often at the beginning of the match when you spawn and also sometimes when other players are getting closer to you (I feel like there is not much done to prevent players with different ping to desync everything)

[@gamingwatherbottle7419]

being a new/casual player is also hard man when every opponent is either a harmless teamer or a cracked demigod meta barb/warlock that pretty much can 2 shot you even at medium range

[@DrTreason]

There should be a passive that says, "Meditation" now replces "rest" With withdrawal being meditation, dont recover health for wizard. (Unless next to fireplace)

[@Jyedawg]

The after image change with invis was the nail in the coffin for me - that's wizard's only gap closing tool against rangers and now we get lit up in pretty lights saying "here we are, come shoot us !!! :)" probably the most unfun gameplay change they've ever done.

[@amuro5992]

We running it back again boys

[@gogizgurev]

Damage numbers is not good that buffs the ranger by like 30-50% and all the range classes and what do the melee classes get when they commit anyway to a fight and die I would say make the sound cue for getting hit better

[@morrisgreg2176]

Finally. Someone, someone had to say it. Every point in this video, is pure gold. Ironmace needs to sit on the floor for a week in high roller getting 1 shot by default kits before touching code again

[@Pimrik]

Amazing content, I really enjoyed that! Keep going! Hopefully the gameplay will improve soon

[@Just-the-Gameplay]

"Just lightning strike" Yeah until you run into the person that realizes that all you have to do IS JUMP IN THE AIR AND YOU WILL NEVER GET HIT BY A LIGHTNING STRIKE EVER.

[@Kewwike]

I played wizard when game was on steam, i was nuts on it and teamplay it was pretty crazy engages but looking now it seems to be nerfed to the ground. btw tip i have more shield potions that heal potions, then i can play aggro as wizard

[@redworm93]

i’ve always thought mages should have a mana pool to cast from and have potions that regenerate it, and maybe have it slowly regenerate over time or something

[@Eldesinstalado]

The update is today "31" january

[@daviddzunev8161]

Yeah I would appreciate dmg numbers as wizzard. How many times I though someone is one hit and he ended up at 60% hp killing me.

[@cosytime7075]

I think you have to use instant cast for slow n last second fireball / ice bolt

[@CaseyPlexy1]

Ice bolt is prolly the best PvP spell, while insta cast is nice, you cut your spells in half. Even clearing mobs sometimes is annoying and if you get third partied after a fight then it’s over. Imo knowledge should replenish spells slowly while not having to sit.

[@Nexovus]

0:56 You thought you could sneak a Command and Conquer '95 infantry scream in there and we wouldn't notice

[@TheSpudHunter]

:)

[@tackion5371]

Spell memory should drastically increase how fast you meditate spells back

[@aranguren590]

If wizard feels like this I wonder what would you say after playing solo-bard for a week

[@nut4534]

It is tiring

[@firesupotree]

any class that gets to use falchion + crossbow needs to be quiet.

[@hazzy5714]

my suggestion for spell downtime: add a timer/cooldown between each cast, but give infinite amount of casts, rewarding the use of multiple different spells (maybe even a damage bonus for combining different types of magic damage) so no resting but like (just for example) you have to wait 3 seconds between every fireball cast

[@cryan9137]

Love your videos, would watch you play/make videos for other games as well!!

[@TheSpudHunter]

Cheers, I gotta work out what to focus on

[@expohshappyhour1460]

The lag has been exactly the same recently in the US servers. Lost a crazy bard kit because a Skelton archer shot at where I used to be until I died as I sat behind him and just watched him shoot a ghost.

[@MerrStudio]

I was complaining about resting since the first test and I'm just amazed what they did with the Wizard

[@rekrn12345]

There was a single patch during I think PT 5 where meditate was MUCH faster but gave less total spell regen. That felt way better.

[@fuzzels9079]

could short CDs on spells be an alternative to the current system? (for wiz specifically) like, No more limited amount of casts, no need for medi. just spells with CDs. Fireball with a 5 sec CD, zap with 2 sec CD or maybe like 3 uses then a 5 sec CD, stuff like that etc. and then rework medi as a skill that allows a buff for like 10 secs that makes spells have 0 CD

[@CrzyLion]

what i enjoyed most in the dungeonborne playtest compared to DaD: -no throwing knives, no throwing axes, no rangers. -different models for different levels of gear so you can instantly tell how geared someone is -damage numbers letting you know how its going