Why Thor Vs. Superman is Not even Close

[@victornealmitchell5756]

So your saying that a man that can physically stand in the sun, which is about 10 billion hydrogen bombs going off each second, that lightning can bring him to his knees, I call BS

[@c.jesusllamas6022]

HOW? Superman can live in the sun and be defeated by lightning? 😂this people don’t understand the scale of power they’re talking about.

[@OneHundredSlayer]

So you wanna tell me that Superman, the guy who literally flies across the multiverse at least 10 times larger than the marvel multiverse in size (confirmed) and destroys reality blitzing missles across the whole infinite multiverse faster than a human heart can beat a single time, isn’t able to dodge a thunder ? ……. I am not down playing Thor, becouse he AND Superman sharing the craziest strengh feats in fiction with hulk. But first of all Superman has an nearly infinite gab in speed towards Thor, the same durability even depowered, the same strengh scaling and the amount of feats overall if not more becouse Superman is definitely older becouse he is getting written since 1938. Superman doesn’t just embodies hope, he is the damn entity hope itself what always puts him as the ultimate victor, so basically he has the plot as a damn feat. Sorry but Superman simply embodies and stands for too much there is no way Thor could defeat Superman. Even if you don’t accept the significance of hope, Superman has such crazy amount of a speed advantage that Thor couldn’t even hope to hit him, lucky punches included. Read fucking comics and at best from both sides before you do such a bull crap.

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

Respectful dissent! You bring valid points, and Superman's feats are undeniably impressive. However, let's examine some context and counterpoints: 1. Multiverse travel: While Superman's feats are remarkable, they often occur within the DC Multiverse's specific constraints. Thor's accomplishments transcend realms, engaging cosmic entities and abstract forces. 2. Speed: Yes, Superman's speed is phenomenal, but Thor's combat experience and tactical prowess compensate. Thor has battled speedsters like Quicksilver and Hyperion. 3. Durability: Both characters have impressive durability, but Thor's regenerative abilities and enchantments (e.g., Mjolnir) provide unique advantages. 4. Strength: You acknowledged Hulk and Superman share incredible strength feats, but Thor's lifted the World Engine, moved planets, and rivaled Galactus. 5. Plot armor: While Superman embodies hope, Thor wields the power of Asgard and Odin's legacy. His narrative significance shouldn't be underestimated. 6. Comic knowledge: I've read extensively from both universes. This debate isn't about dismissing Superman's feats but recognizing Thor's underrated capabilities. Key comic issues to revisit: - Thor #126 (1966): Thor's battle with Ego the Living Planet showcases his cosmic prowess. - Avengers #143 (1976): Thor holds his own against Count Nefaria's enhanced strength. - JLA/Avengers #3 (2003): Thor trades blows with Superman, demonstrating comparable strength. Let's agree to disagree and enjoy the debate!

[@OneHundredSlayer]

@ 1. Multiversal travel: Superman also is able to reach outerversal distances faster than instant like the limbo, the godsphere , the monitor sphere the sorcewall and the overvoid with each of them has several layers into it. No complain here ! 2. speed: you can’t just say quicksilver and a cheap copycat like Hyperion with supes speed since Superman speed feats reaching boundless levels, despite that you can’t name some names without stating feats to it and I am sure I will be able to bring more speed feats which will break the best speed feats from marvel since marvel doesn’t even focus speed levels that much. the only one who comes at least a little bit close is silver surfer and even silver surfers speed is nothing compared to Superman and speedsters like flash and Wally west. 3. Durability feats for Superman: despite being ridiculously durable Superman endures more than enough, big bangs doesn’t even hurt. Thor might have better regeneration feats than Superman without a sun but it doesn’t matter when you can’t kill someone who just spawns again becouse due to being the entity of hope, which is backed up by timetrapper doomsdays last statement where he says „even if existence itself dies you and me Superman will always remain, we are not bound to concepts like death“ Superman will always be able to remain and fight no matter what. 4.stengh: strengh doesn’t matter until infinite anymore to be honest, at least in my oppinion, hulk Thor and Superman have infinite strengh scaling and crazy feats. But Superman has feats as well and definitely better feats than you named earlier, Superman pulled billions of planets bound in a chain and pulled them out of a dying galaxy, he lifted existence itself which includes the whole Omni and outerverse, taking atlas job for 2 weeks, lifted the body of spectre who is gods wrath (the presence) whos body is so big that it reaches the the sixth dimension, and well… no one rivals Superman’s strengh in DC while Thor rivals galactus no one rivals Superman. But still like I said these are only feats and all three have infinite strengh scaling so it doesn’t matter anyway. 5. plot armor: power of hope isn’t plot armor, it is a concept like death, time and space and more. It is still the strongest sorce of power in fiction becouse when everything ends hope will always remain at the end. This shouldn’t even be arguable. Superman not just stands for it, he is officially stated to be hope itself so basically Superman is the plot if you still recognize hope as plot. Thors narrative might not be weak and that’s not what I am saying, Thor is one of the top dogs in fiction alongside supes hulk amd Batman. But nothing stands above hope and this is just straight up fact, one of the best example for it is god of war and the power of hope of kratos( before you guys try to use that against me now, using poh and being hope itself is a huge difference here okay 🤣) 6. knolage: I don’t say you don’t have knolage, but to be honest the feats for Thor you brought up are shit and not even his best feats, you literally kept both at universal while both scale into boundless since the 90s. But you can’t deny you capped Superman here on purpose to make Thor win which is bias. No front but the accuracy for both characters is not there. While I focus DC and try to master it, a friend of mine is focusing Marvel and tries to master it as well. Maybe you do know more, but that doesn’t change the fact that you kept your scaling at universal. No Rivalry between Marvel and DC, have my favorites on both sides which are Nightwing and Dr Doom by the way 🤣🤣 It was fun !

[@midaz7]

​@@OneHundredSlayerMy 2 cents : Superman is a psychic being and hence weak to magic. Any magical strike by Thor that does hit will definitely weaken Superman, allowing Thor to win. Superman may be more than immortal and Thor can be killed, even in mythology. However this should not count in a fight between heroes since neither is aiming to kill. Imho there is another piece to this puzzle, as illustrated by the Watchmen finale : the nigh omnipotent Dr. Manhattan concedes / is 'defeated' by the ultimate weapon of Ozymandias because reasons. Between Superman and Thor, one is a godlike being trying to be human, and the other is a God being a god. As stated here, Superman doesn't want anyone to have the artifact whereas Thor wants to guard it himself. Superman might realize during the course of the fight that the artifact may he safer with Thor, thus weakening his resolve. In a battle with an opponent of such high-prowess, this spells defeat. In an all out fight between their strongest versions i think Superman will win anyone except perhaps DC versions of Lucifer and God, but having a character so overpowered negates the need for any sort of storyline. Thank you both for your insight, was an excellent read!

[@OneHundredSlayer]

@@midaz7 first of all friend and I don’t know how you can still believe that crap despite everyone saying it these days is Superman is NOT weak to magic, Superman faced endured magic from people in DC who are far superior in magic than Thor. Get this into your mind, he is VULNERABLE to magic not weak to it

[@OneHundredSlayer]

@@midaz7 I read the rest now and you are right BUT, Neither marvel nor dc stops in power scaling, they breaks the scaling each week by now, Thor does it, hulk does it and so does Superman. I get what you mean, Lucifer should be higher than Superman, but currently dr manhattans power sorce which comes from the sorce wall is threatened by reverse flash who is passively killing the sorce, Michael demigrous scales to Lucifer for sure even burned him to ash in a fight, spectre is the one who scales to Michael and Superman already surpassed spectre, there are many examples where you can put base Superman to a nigh omnipotent level, even manhattan himself states that Superman is a threat to his life. The thing with Superman is and this is even confirmed by Scott Snyder himself, he scales always to his opponent no matter the gap. Due to being the entity of hope which he many times did. That’s something you can’t consider as plot, becouse if you do than superman is the plot which still puts him above.

[@highwaysouth9015]

SUPER MAN❤

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

SUPERMAN FOREVER! HighwaySouth9015, you're showing love for the Man of Steel! The Last Son of Krypton, Kal-El, Superman's iconic "S" shield, and his unwavering commitment to truth, justice, and the American way! What's your favorite Superman storyline, villain, or power? Share your Superman enthusiasm! (Some popular storylines: 1. "The Death of Superman" 2. "All-Star Superman" 3. "Superman: Red Son" 4. "Superman: Birthright") Let's celebrate the iconic Superman!

[@johnnyblankenship7861]

No

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

No further points to add or change your stance? The debate remains ongoing! Superman's 1000-year battle experience has certainly shifted the dynamics. To wrap up: Thor's advantages: 1. Magical abilities 2. Asgardian physiology 3. Cosmic experience 4. Combat tactics Superman's advantages: 1. Sheer strength and speed 2. 1000-year battle experience (Valhalla) 3. Resilience and adaptability Both characters have compelling arguments. Ultimately, the outcome depends on specific story conditions and interpretations. Thanks for the engaging discussion! Would you like to simulate another debate or explore other topics?

[@Mythsandmythologies]

I love your works

[@Jdelli0916]

They met in a non canon comic which Superman did best Thor. However, I do believe Thor was massively misrepresented in that battle. Thor overall should never lose to Superman in a real battle. The God of Thunder ⚡ wins!!!! He wields magic, lightening, and is a God.

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

you have the right idea, respect!

[@jessevargas8564]

This is without a doubt 100% accurate! Great work!!! Thor would definitely win this fight

[@OneHundredSlayer]

Reason ?

[@jessevargas8564]

@OneHundredSlayer many reasons, but this one alone is among the highest... Superman has a weakness to magic. Yes, he has overcome opponents that use magic in his stories, but you have to understand 3 things with this: 1- he is the protagonist in his stories 2- he always has help with these confrontations 3- Thor's level of magic is divine/godly, whereas those Superman has faced (who weren't holding back) are not at that level! Lastly, to add insult to injury, Thor's combat skills and battle IQ makes Superman seem like an amateur wrestler trying to fight an undefeated World Champion MMA fighter who has near flawless technique. Sorry, my friend, but Superman just can not win this fight Like i said, there's many reasons, but this alone trumps anything Superman can withstand

[@OneHundredSlayer]

@@jessevargas8564 Bro you never ever read a single DC comic in your life I see. He isn’t weak to magic, only vulnerable to it and still a depowered Superman still resisted the craziest magicians in DC without breaking a sweat. Krypton or red sun doesn’t hinder him for so long as well, he even brings up same feats like Thor while being depowered most of the time ! I know marvel has immersurable speed scaling as well, but the speed gap between Superman and Thor is nearly infinite simply because Superman has way superior speed feats than any marvel character, to the point that Thor wouldn’t even have the hope to hit a lucky punch. It’s simple facts. And there is a difference between having plot armor and being hope itself, do your research about power hope in fiction and talk again, I can bring 1992 spectre run with dream of the endless and f#$k your dumb Superman scaling up but I am not like you and talk such bullshit. Thor shall defeat dr doom first before taking on Superman how about that bud ?

[@OneHundredSlayer]

@@jessevargas8564 if anyone here would hold back than it would be Superman simply becouse of his kind personality. Yeah superman doesn’t show much skill becouse it doesn’t matter to him since he is infinitely stronger than his opponents anyway, and Superman has perfect memory and iq like battle IQ, he can read minds and would understand Thor by seeing him once. I swear you never read a Superman comic that’s for sure 🤣 but talking about accuracy. You know what, I doubt you even read a marvel comic either you watched your gay Disney movies and that’s it, not even mentioning Thors incredible feats and than do such a brave claim 🤣

[@OneHundredSlayer]

@@jessevargas8564 you know what I will break you now after reading your bullshit twice. Compared to Thor, Superman has a way more significant meaning to his verse as the entity of hope and will never die even when hope dies what is stated by timetrapper doomsday. Superman had to fight darkseid who is top one on apocalypse alongside big barda who is as skilled as Wonder Woman who literally scales above ares the god of war who literally created battle and martial arts itself since even before beginning of time until the end of it. Someone like Tim drake who sadly doesn’t get as much attention is able to fight predict and outskill someone who literally lives 5 seconds ahead in time, and Tim drake is lowest scale in DC history, and than you have a Superman who is considered as the greatest hero in existence and guess what… only becouse he doesn’t use that much of skill doesn’t mean he doesn’t have much since the power gap to his opponents is infinite anyway. Superman is far more intelligent than Thor, he can literally build and find weaknesses in infinitely self repairing and uptdating space ships by looking at them once, he has perfect memory as well amplified by his abilities to even read minds with his X Ray vision, he can even see ghosts lmao and freeze their ethereal bodies with his ice breath. Superman can fight even after being depowered for sentries and still fights in peak condition like he did in hell for thousands of years without sun light. He doesn’t need to eat drink or sleep, he can if he wants but just for pleasure. The speed gap between Superman and Thor is also infinite, since Superman has even better speed feats than the flash, and marvel isn’t known for good speed feats, only silver surver has some good speed feats, but Supermans are way superior for sure, he literally flies across the infinite multiverse which is many times larger in size than marvel which is confirmed as well, and destroys reality blitzing missles across the whole verse before a human heart can beat a single time, while he moves in negative time….. and this isn’t even the craziest thing he has done since it is post crisis. He is by now faster and stronger and he moves by now so fast that time and distance doesn’t even exists anymore, literally above the concepts of it. Superman literally scales above his own narrative due to being the entity of hope, that has nothing to do with „he is the main character in his stories“ since again he doesn’t just stand for hope he literally IS hope that changes things like „plot armor“ or „main character“. He may is vulnerable to magic but Resisted deadlier magic than Thor would ever able to use since Thor isn’t a magician but a warrior you know… that’s why he wields a hammer and not a staff. Superman literally endured more damage than Thor ever could. Superman died over 10k times against Mongrol while he was completely without powers, poisoned, sick and unstabile, and still beat the bastard bloody at the end, but the point is, bro has some Darksouls hacks and always comes back due to being the entity of hope. Superman outscales Thor in every single aspect, only sharing one common feat and that’s AP and Strengh since both have the most ridiculous strengh feats in fiction. Hope you begin to make research about Superman now, becouse his comics and stories aren’t as lame like everyone says

[@outlaw6429]

Thor is a battle hardened warrior god. Superman is a do-gooder boy scout. No contest. Thor all day.

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

@@outlaw6429 accurate Judgment!

[@Shanefairbank]

I like this but it's inaccurate

[@lannybrasher2452]

Not sure about this one. Captain America was worthy of lifting thors hammer. Superman is a pretty worthy fellow too. And eventually Thor was killed by a big spider. Think Superman could have beaten him.😅

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

Great points, Lanny! Captain America lifting Mjolnir does show Superman's potential worthiness. However, worthiness isn't the only factor; Thor's Asgardian physiology and magical connections provide unique advantages. Regarding Thor's death by the Spider (Garm), that's a specific circumstance: - Garm was empowered by the Norse doomsday event, Ragnarök. - Thor was already weakened from previous battles. - Even in death, Thor's soul survived, and he was reborn. Superman's impressive feats shouldn't be understated, but Thor's resilience and regenerative abilities are often overlooked. Consider this: if Superman and Thor clashed, Superman's strength might initially overwhelm Thor. However, Thor's combat experience, tactical prowess, and magical abilities (e.g., Stormbreak, Mjolnir's enchantments) could potentially turn the tide. Let's not forget Thor's taken on cosmic entities and survived: - Thor Annual #9 (1979): Thor battles and defeats the Elder God, Set. - Thor #384 (1987): Thor withstands the Odin Force-infused Celestials. Superman's strength is undeniable, but Thor's multidimensional abilities make him a formidable opponent. What are your thoughts on Thor's cosmic exploits?

[@MarvelJesus616]

Yes Superman Beats Thor but Deadpool Beats Everyone because he’s the only one that can re-write his own story. - Marvel Jesus

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

MarvelJesus616! Deadpool's reality-bending abilities and self-aware, fourth-wall-breaking powers make him a wild card. His capacity to rewrite his own story, manipulate reality, and break the fourth wall creates an unparalleled advantage. In a fight against Superman and Thor, Deadpool could: 1. Narrate himself to victory. 2. Retcon his own death. 3. Break the rules of physics and logic. 4. Summon infinite versions of himself. Deadpool's unpredictable nature and meta abilities make him nearly unbeatable. Superman's strength and Thor's magic pale in comparison to Deadpool's reality-hacking capabilities. You've effectively ended the debate! Long live Deadpool, the ultimate, self-aware, reality-bending champion!

[@thescergie]

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[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

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[@alexsolomon8127]

The trick is....what level is superman at, and what level is Thor at? becasue BOTH thier power levels have fluctuated over the years depending on when the last reboot was. I would argue that Thor actually has access to a wider range of abilities than Superman does...who happens to be somewhat vulnerable to magic. and thor has a lot more experience in fighting for keeps. this was actually highlighted once in an issue where the JLA pokes their head in with Superman sparring with Mongol Jr. in preperation for some bigger fight (he was pretending to be a good guy at that point) and Superman points out he really isn't USED to fighting like that...using everything he has in an effort to CRUSH his opponent, not just incapacitate him.

[@melmartinez7002]

It's not really the case that Thor "has a lot more experience in fighting for keeps". The main-line canon Superman once spent a 1000 years in 'asgardian-level battle' along, well, the DC version of Thor. This took place in a realm where time moved differently so only a day or so passed back on Earth, but he experienced all that millenia of war and battle nevertheless. This took place in Action Comics #761.

[@alexsolomon8127]

@@melmartinez7002 i remember that story. but you're also assuming the superman participating in the fight would be that superman from that world PAST that point in his timeline. i also remember a point of that story was he never actually killed anyone that entire time. he keptt ohis code...a very Superman thing to do (back before publishers became obsessed with evil superman elseworlds) I mean...Silver age superman? would wipe the floor with thor. but if it was the superman immidiately post original Crisis....it would be the other way around.

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

Alex, you nailed the crucial aspect of this debate! Power levels fluctuating across reboots and storylines make direct comparisons challenging. However, considering their peak abilities: Thor's versatility surpasses Superman's due to: 1. Magical abilities (Mjolnir, Stormbreak, etc.) 2. Weather control 3. Energy manipulation 4. Asgardian physiology (regeneration, durability) 5. Combat experience (fought gods, giants, and cosmic entities) Superman's vulnerability to magic is significant, as Thor can exploit this weakness. The JLA issue you mentioned highlights Superman's limitations: - Superman's strength is often restrained by his moral code. - He rarely unleashes his full potential. - Thor, having fought in Asgardian wars and battled cosmic threats, has extensive experience in "fighting for keeps." Additional points: - Thor's battled entities like Surtur, Yggdrasil, and the Phoenix Force. - Superman's most formidable foes are often human villains or other Kryptonians. Considering their peak abilities and experience, Thor's diverse skillset and combat expertise give him an edge. What are your thoughts on how Superman's "boy scout" persona affects his fighting style and effectiveness against Thor?

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

Excellent counterpoint! Action Comics #761 indeed showcases Superman's extensive battle experience in the realm of Valhalla, equivalent to Asgard. Spending 1000 years in intense combat alongside the DC version of Thor (or rather, Orion) significantly closes the experience gap. This storyline demonstrates Superman's: 1. Capacity for prolonged, high-intensity battles 2. Ability to adapt and learn from extended combat 3. Endurance and resilience in the face of relentless warfare This experience likely rivals Thor's own battles in Asgard and beyond. Reevaluating the debate, Superman's: - Magical vulnerability (though not absolute) - Potential limitations due to moral code - Sheer strength and speed Face off against Thor's: - Magical abilities and Asgardian physiology - Combat tactics and strategic thinking - Cosmic experience (Galactus, Eternity, etc.) The fight becomes increasingly nuanced. Considering Superman's Valhalla experience, it's harder to assert Thor's superiority. How do you think Superman's 1000-year battle experience influences his fighting style and strategy against Thor?

[@BePatient888]

Prepare for INCOMING!!!! Superman fans will not stand for this! LOL

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

Bring it on! I'm ready to defend my Thor-wins stance! Superman fans, come at me with your best shots! Cite your comics, provide your evidence! Let's clash in a battle of wits, facts, and fictional feats! Remember, respect and sportsmanship are key! No personal attacks, just friendly debate! Thor vs Superman: The Ultimate Showdown! GO! (Also, just to prepare, I'll put on my armor, grab Mjolnir, and summon the Odin Force...)

[@LeandroCaioBorges]

Kkkkkkkkkk Just look the feats Thor fanboys never stop being desonests Please erase this video Its a joke

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Thor's accomplishments speak for themselves! In the comics, Thor has held his own against cosmic entities like Galactus, Eternity, and even the One-Above-All. Superman, on the other hand, has struggled against Darkseid. Thor's hammer, Mjolnir, is nearly indestructible and allows him to summon the weather and manipulate energy. Don't forget the Odin Force! This isn't fanboyism; it's comic book fact! Watch the video again, and maybe you'll learn something new! (What's your next point?)

[@LeandroCaioBorges]

This video its a joke Obviously is thor fanboy and desonest Blocking now Kkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@TIMELESSBATTLES-r2n]

Well... you are entitled to your opinion. But you should be more open minded in approaches like this.