Why top lane feels USELESS | League of Legends S13

[@AbelMusa]

I mean when the lead designer on League outright comes out and says "you have no impact" it doesn't get more crystal clear.

[@serenolopez-darwin1975]

I climbed to masters last season playing Ornn, and this season am climbing on K'Sante (currently only D2 though). I would say that I have impact about 10% of my games, and it's usually from junglers and mid laners for some reason deciding to skirmish over first herald. In games where one jungler is significantly ahead, I don't think I've ever seen them lose. It's really just an issue of resource acquisition speed. In top lane you generally get advantage over the course of 3 waves at a time, from either a push or a pull. You can deny half a wave, or sometimes even a full wave on a good freeze + back force. A dive can put you very far ahead, but nobody is going to help you with that, and good luck solo diving early game with Ornn or K'Sante. In comparison, mid can acquire resources basically every wave (shove and roam), and acquire more (double kill bot, dragon, etc). Bot lane and Jungle are the absolute pinnacle of resource acquisition, and jungle diving bot lane once can often create more gold advantage in one wave than I can in my entire laning phase. Double kill + dragon + 1|2 wave crash + 2 plates is equivalent to me denying about 15 fucking waves. And they can do this once every couple minutes. The gold lead that the other lanes build quickly becomes insurmountable, and my 20 minutes of carefully outtrading my opponent to inch out a minor advantage feels basically useless. It's disappointing to me, because I feel like the emphasis of solo que is currently on the least skilled part of the game. No thought to careful trading, wave management, etc. It's just run to lane and coinflip a dive. Win the dive, win the game. Lose the dive, ff15 next.

[@Anonymous-gq7ho]

​@@ahmetozkan438Jungle and mid are still the most useful lanes during the lower elos. The only time support becomes very important is around the higher elos where everybody knows how to play. But until then, I would place mid and jungle as the most important roles.

[@brocolive1950]

The true problem with the toplane is that most match ups lead to stalemates that you can't break on your own + the fact noone ganks toplane. Against a lane neutraliser like most tanks, or a counter, or an opponent who's slightly ahead or even, even though you can be 100x better than your opponent, you still need your team to play around you to give you enough of a lead so that you can snowball in order to start impacting the game. Since noone ever bothers to come top when it matters, this makes for uninteractive stalemates, when we just push waves back and forth without ever getting anything done. I could litterally have the window wide open with flashy signs showing it, with golden chests and diamonds in sight in the inside, that noone would care to just boost me up a notch so I can get in and throw it out the window to share with everyone... untill the window's gone. Tanks automatically lead to that state of stalemate, as they're all lane neutralisers and generally statcheck any bruiser after 1st buy. + They don't need to do shit to have impact, they have the impact included in their kits : CC, meatshielding, engage, with often indecent dmg too, no matter how they did in lane. Tanks are just OP right now. Juggernauts statcheck bruisers and tanks so hard they can just roll over the toplane and become a headache for everyone just by existing. Roam once, let him 1 push, or have him unganked for a little and you got yourself an unstoppable monster who can just 1v3 without a care in the world. Junglers have no fucking idea how toplane works: wave management, match ups, toplane win conditions, which spells to play around, strong and weak timings, reset timers etc. But they also fucking suck at their own role and at the game in general : identify lane prio, utilise it, ensure it through lane assistance to secure an objective, RESPECT lack of prio, identify win conditions other than "coinflip drakes and spam coinflip gank ennemy ADC", look and analyse lane states, identify and utilise gank / dive timers and counter gank / dive timers, shadow the laner or provide deep vision, play around laners' tempo to create plays with number advantages, assist giving laners tempo or reset timers or fixing their wave or lane state ETC. Often 1 gank in a 15min time frame is all that I need from my jungler to ENABLE me to snowball into an easy win condition that spreads its lead on every other lane, but junglers just don't care or are too stupid to even see. SOLUTIONS : - Make herald a faster objective to clear / spawn it earlier - give kills on the same target dicreasing value and on varied targets increasing value. - nerf botside plates gold / shared xp / buff topside plates gold - nerf drake value or spawn it later - erase jungle catch up XP and make counter jungling more punishing in order to punish permagankers and lvl 2-3 gankers. When i think about it, most of toplane's problems come from the last season's retarded jungle changes that killed most of the jungle's strategic part and the balance between farming and ganking, by clearly favouring permagankers who can fuck up your lane and go unpunished.

[@pablo1006pr]

fucking hate when the rest of the team blames me for the akshan or vayne that are feed, what i am supposed to do without help. the problem with top is that some champions simply lose against others no matter how good you play them and having the counterpick is very important as a toplaner

[@minimoYT]

This is the main reason why I prefer mid lane, even if you get counter-picked, you can still get small wins around the map and stay safe, top lane you just get folded

[@thekittenfreakify]

I had this happen I picked morde oponent cou tere with orn. I told chat. Orn counters me..jg proceeds to play on bot.

[@pablo1006pr]

@@thekittenfreakify i had to play sett against an akshan, literally couldn't even farm and he was able to kill me even if i was in my tower, the jg was nowhere to be found. another time the support didn't switch with me for the last pick and i ended going olaf, the enemy went akali, it was fun not being able to fight someone

[@curtisclewett5249]

THEY SHOULD ADD A 3V3 GAME WITH NO OBJECTIVES JUST 3 LANES

[@NLFAST]

Twisted Treeline ? xd

[@SasNolan]

@@NLFASTWhich was retired because no one played it, because riot didnt support it. I'm beginning to see a trend there.

[@An_Ian]

@@NLFAST Nah that had 2 lanes

[@An_Ian]

They need to make a 5 lane 12v12 and ad a dominating mechanic so feeders give less gold and XP More players means one toxic piece of shit is less likely to cost you the game

[@SuperMortalix]

I was a yorick otp from s8 to s9. I played him non-stop and I enjoyed toplane (I pretty much hated every other role but I digress) They made a number of changes to top that I absolutely despise. At the top of the list is the teleport nerf, but also the sustain nerfs you pointed out. They also made the game all about oneshotting (introducing the oneshot meta) where every game felt like a coinflip of who got their snowball going first and since you are stuck on an island, being able to influence that said snowball are sometimes hard and sometimes impossible. Then the angel choir sang and durability patch was introduced I was becoming carefully optimistic, only to remember that slayers exist and they get to have their cake and eat it too and sunfire was the most broken thing to exist for the rest of that season (more or less) Since then I became a midlaner, I realized that having a shorter lane for a non-mobile bruiser like yorick with ALOT of poke was actually better (still have to deal with a million dashes matchups but again I digress) After they "buffed" teleport to work at 10 min I ended up trying toplane again for like 2 games only to realize its worse than ever to play that role and never tried it again. TLDR: Toplane is fking awful to play right now

[@boomernality1904]

No one wants to play top lane. Pretty sure most people would rather top than even supp which in the past was definitely not the case.

[@TheSorrowfulAngel]

In addition to all that, due to the how snowbally and high damage league has become, the counterpicking in toplane has just gotten worse and worse. Toplane has the hardest counterpicks and the least comeback mechanics. And many of those counterpick champs are pushed frequently through buffs for some reason. Toplaners dont have the scaling of many midlaners or ADCs to fall back on - thats just the nature of being melee. You cannot efficiently roam like midlane can, either, due to your map position. In midlane, even when behind 3 kills, good roams can get you back into the game formidably AND you have an impact on the game. And toplane wave management really puts the nail into the coffin. There is a reason freezes are way less efficient in mid and botlane. And freezing, as a strategy, honestly sucks. It's pretty uninteractive for both sides. But its the best thing you can do, there is no point in pushing if the enemy plays defensively - you got nowhere to roam to anyway. Midlane being particulary hard to gank for slower melee champs exarcerbates this issue. I realize that there are no easy fixes for toplane - between the way the map is set up, the inherent disadvantages of melee champions, the volatile nature of bruisers and juggernauts, the tons of champs that are just coded to be hard-counters.. it's a lot. But damn, it's not like riot is the small indie company they like to play pretend as.

[@toxinuwu]

glad i found out so many top players agree i main top jungle so its sad i have force my self play jungle just cause top feels so useless rn

[@minimoYT]

And it's a shame, too, because there are some top lane champs that I enjoy that don't have what it takes to survive in mid unless used as counter-picks. But no way I'm suffering in top lane just to play Shen

[@thepowerlies]

It's just so common that your team will lose everything rest of a map on a 4v3 while you have enemy constantly coming to top.

[@vaynemarksyou6213]

Thats why the way I play top works... I try to put as much pressure as possible on top lane so their jungler will waste time ganking me while we take bot or drake or both

[@EtTuBrutalizer]

I wish top lane was "skill expressive" but unfortunately 75% of top lane champions are skill less stat check champions. No other role (besides support maybe) has such a high representation of just complete degen 0 braincell champions, and i feel like this is an aspect of frustration with top that no one talks about.

[@minimoYT]

I do still think that the lane itself just has a high skill ceiling, though. Since you're alone in a long lane, you have plenty of room to completely annihilate your opponent over the tiniest of mistakes, and vice versa. Matchup knowledge also seems more important, since you can't just get level 3 and never step in lane again like in mid To be fair, though, I don't play top lane a lot, I just pick Shen, go for cheesy level 2-3 trades, and just play as a global shield bot. Any real top lane main would curb-stomp me

[@Bro.Synchro]

3:11 When you realise you are that Darius & Garen player

[@Not_Riven]

underrated channel tbh, i love your script and your voice is clean to hear

[@SaSo-mk6yh]

Top lane is a snowball lane, simple and sometimed fun. I use to play kayle which would drive anyone insane considering in most cases you end up coin flipping game because of no impact + having to farm reliably without getting screwed over.

[@isorstho7378]

I had a game once where I managed to get a good lead in the top lane just for all 5 enemy team member to come to my lane and stay there until they destroyed the top inhibitor before the 14 minute mark. My team did not come to help s you would think they did good progress on the enemy turrets? Nope, they did not even get a single turret. It felt like they all went afk. We lost that game really hard and of course I was the one who got blamed for "not playing safe". I quit toplane after that, this crap traumatized me.

[@minimoYT]

Classic Avengers moment, how dare you not 1v5 as a 3cs/min top laner?

[@-B.L.E.S.S.E.D-]

After all the Fighter item nerfs I feel so useless.. I used to be able to 2v1 the botlane because of 2lvl advantage from winning lane , now they get a fucking insanely stupid powerspike at 2 items making it impossibel to 2v1 them , what's the other option left ? Engaging for your team or peeling your ad , basicly you're a support. BUT YOU CANT ROAM LMAO. This game is shit for toplane players rn.

[@minimoYT]

Nah bro it's okay, ADCs can build IE second but they'll build Collector and RFC instead

[@-B.L.E.S.S.E.D-]

@@minimoYT lmao I swear... I really hope we get some changes to top lane , right now it's really mentaly taxing but you don't even get to be the big 1v3 monster you used to be when playing well.. (unless you play Illaoi but please don't)

[@cyberclash2814]

@@-B.L.E.S.S.E.D- I am an adc main but I feel like the top lane problem right now is the same Adcs had before the buffs the game is already decided before you can do anything. However I do think the problem is the jungle who is overtuned. However I don't think it is healthy for the game to have a top lane unfed able to 1v3 casually it is still very much possible to 1v2 a botlane right now as long as they are not out of control

[@PasteIie]

"if you could describe top lane with one single word, which would you pick" Depression. just, depression.

[@Martorfunk]

At this point. Either riot hits reset boton or they will need to either limit items and runes per champ or cause there is no way to salvage that lane at this point. And I say it as someone that enjoys playing top

[@kentuckyfriedchildren5385]

Man, as a top main, you don't how many times i'm 15/3 and press tab and see my whole team inting, or just throwing the game mid/late game by constantly fighting without me being there and then by late game I am just getting kited and perma stunned until I die. Or I get camped and dived and am useless all game while my jg does nothing. Top kind of feels like an extension of the jg success not your own, generally when I win lane it's only because their jg didn't gank well enough or at all and when I lose it's because they camped me. But every other role is so boring to me, top is really the only place where people actually want to fight usually and not just farm all game under turret, of course that can happen top too (those games I usually just get team gapped because not fighting and not getting kills top is basically just an insta loss)

[@Unknown-jo7sk]

talk about azir love, he is getting another rework in the pbe.

[@minimoYT]

Yeah, I saw. Next video will cover that, I’m still testing the current patch's changes

[@Lavaevocool]

Playing top just feels like im shooting myself in the foot every game.

[@minimoYT]

True, and it's a shame, since there's plenty of fun champions there

[@sythreos1519]

Remind me why did TP get nerfed? Like it doesn't seem like Riot is trying to help top

[@minimoYT]

That was when bot lane was the one lane in the game, and mid + top would all TP to the middle of the lane whenever a fight broke out, TP nerf was to prevent that from happening too early. Imo there should be better ways to make top impactful than just making you roam bot and get the protagonist ahead

[@atias3840]

yea it sucks. i always knew top is my lane but it feels so useless and win lane lose game drive me nuts. every time i try another role its just becomes boring&unfun after 2 games. top lane literally went from the most queued role to the least queued one because its so worthless. Im just stuck and play unable to do anything my game is 95% decided by the other 4 players while its should be 80%

[@areuzero399]

For me we just need the old TP back. A lv 6 gank on bot with the TP can easly win a game.

[@minimoYT]

But then that's just a band-aid to the problem: if you need to TP to bot lane to win the game, it just means that you're playing for bot anyway It'd be more interesting if there was a way to make top lane the win condition for games more often, but I'm no game designer, and I have no idea how it'd play out. All I know is that playing top just doesn't feel right

[@grizius4123]

​@@minimoYT I agree adcs and jgler have so much agency and control over the outcome of the game. Mid became less impactfull too because of wave changes and top is as miserable as it was for months .....

[@einjharrelraca]

Absolutely not. The meta of "5 man dive bot every 5 minutes" was the most cancerous shit ive ever seen in this game.

[@deniied5414]

Title is perfect, its always bot lanes inting also. One death so they give up as if they are playing in challengers and it matters that much

[@sleebyshedinja9318]

Quit this role after almost a year of OTP (basically my entire league career so far) and moved to jungle.

[@minimoYT]

Can't blame you, godspeed

[@xSUBJECTx11]

I toss between top and mid all the time. I used to live and die by top lane. But the I kinda reached a peak in my rank with top. So I made a new account, I made it a mid lane account, and sure enough I beat my peak as a top laner, but as a fresh, inexperienced mid laner. You just have so little impact as a top laner, it’s not even fun. You have so much freedom as a mid laner it almost feels like a cake walk. Shit even if you see a jungler topside in your bush, you have to concede lane cs and exp and you lose a lead. It’s just not fun. So then I go back mid, and life is easier.

[@nicklasveva]

I can be completely dominating the landing phase, forcing the enemy under turret, leaving them at 30% HP, and my jungler still doesn't care. 90% of games consist of the enemy getting ganks, or no one getting ganks. I usually get ganks when I don't need them too. Such as when I'm super far ahead and my jungler comes to "help". When in reality they just failed ganks in every other lane and wanted free gold from me. Thanks, junglers!

[@aaabbb-zc7sx]

top lane situation is horrendous.riot is trying to turn this role into a second support.with every patch the top laners get less and less gold,to the point where it's better to just pick a mid laner like neeko or akali and try to kill your opponent as soon as you get a combo rather than play a real top laner.our income is shit,the junglers straight up refuse to help top lane snowball 90 percent of the time,and if the enemy top laner uses all their luck for the next 7 years to get one gank all you can do is stay under turret and "play safe top" because no one comes to save you from the 2 or even 3 man dive

[@einjharrelraca]

What i find funny is, for every game like you described in the beginning, there are 8 others where (insert bruiser/diver here) gets a lead top, then procedes to slullfuck the entire map while being an unkillable, hypermobile/900ms super tank that one shots baron in a fart. The role isnt weak, the players are just bad and refuse to learn the game. Tbe number of top laners i see in low masters whos only play patern is "slow push and back, slow push and back, slow push and back" all game and think they understand wave management is absurd.

[@marcocomastri2283]

I know how to play both top lane and jungle at araund the same level, and i find top lane more fun to play in concept but in game i feel meaningless. Ok playing the lane is fun even againts ranged if he is not to good at kiting but in mid game if i am lucky i can land the triple in the side lane or reach the inibitor and get ultra fed but i cant win the game. Make it easier for my allies of curse but nothing more, and it feels bad. So i end up playing fiddle jungle and ranking that way, even if i find it annoying after 1 game.

[@ghislaindubois23]

I love your video they made me try azir as a top laner and I love it ❤

[@daki59e234]

im only playing with darius, and i really like it, but every time a ranged champion comes to top i want to hang myself

[@SadSquidward420]

Fun fact: Fiora and Riven are so favored by riot to the point where they have been A - S tier for more than 4 seasons in a row, dont believe me? Check for yourself, or , ask all high elo toplaners. Im a master toplaner and have been playing for more than 6 years.

[@minimoYT]

I know they have. Every time they fall out of flavour, they get buffed back up, same with Camille. I think the reason why they're allowed to be this busted is because they're mostly restricted to top lane due to lacking wave clear and/or dealing poorly with poke, but that's just my speculation

[@coomer1451]

The worst thing about top lane is if there is a jg diff game is over since minute 1

[@biglittleboy9827]

'' top is generally for bruisers, divers and tanks ''. Oh really ? That's why I see so many varus vayne akshan teemo leblanc ( yes ) quinn on this lane :D

[@minimoYT]

Clearly we must nerf Refill Pot, Second Wind, and Doran's Shield all in a single patch to correct that

[@gemmy9727]

I like to play roppane when the rest of the enemy toplaber doesnt come to top for no reason while my team is suck😅ng off each other at mid

[@NIDHOGG_99]

i play top and every match feels like flipping a coin, if your jungler wants to play with you; we take herald and maybe a tower and you can start helping more. If he doesn't want to or can't it's 20 minutes of farm or be dived by the enemy jungler. I think I'll stop playing top after watching this video XD

[@adamhansson6967]

I played Quinn top from gold 3 to emerald with 84% wr lol.

[@minimoYT]

Evil stuff lol

[@be-ugh5782]

Ngl, I dont feel bad for Darius or Garen players for getting ranged matchups. Getting poked out is less frustrating than having a tanky damage dealing Speedy degenerate 100-0 you cause you inhaled oxygen the wrong Way, meanwhile they survived 5 all ins from you in a row, along with a gank cause "Simple champ must be strong oogabooga"

[@minimoYT]

Garen at least has his passive to sustain against ranged, but Darius is so binary it's comical. Melee matchup? They're dead if they ever come close. Ranged matchup? Darius is outright deleted from the game

[@be-ugh5782]

@@minimoYT its like...CertainlyT made a poorly designed champion instead of a "Master piece"

[@AkshayCShetty]

I think it very heavily depends on which champ is being played top. Riven, Irelia, Aatrox, Nasus type champions can stomp the game by themselves if they get ahead. Renekton, Shen, etc. can't make much use of the lead honestly.

[@pablo1006pr]

i know but that depends, for example if riven fights renekton, she is gonna lose most of the time and not because of any difference in skill but difference in champions. in top lane counterpick matters more than in other lanes

[@BloodDrenched-y6i]

There are solutions to giving top lane win conditions. I say give too lane some new summoner spells or items that allow you to push really hard and fast on a cooldown or requirement such as a kill in the side lane. It empowers your minions with a frenzy to do more damage to towers. This way solo lanes can actually threaten to end and require attention, you can’t base race them either thanks to the new pushing power they will have. You can simply make it a buff if In solo lane that you push and empower minions if no enemy champ is near you within 1000 distance. It’s like a hull breaker but enemy champs can deactivate it by guarding the lane so it’s not entirely oppressive if you’re ahead. Forces dives and good laning past 14 minutes and you can win that way.

[@mikefun232]

Hello. Do you have a business e mail?

[@minimoYT]

I do, you can contact me at [e-mail]

[@Кожуркаотпомидора]

Well, the problem of top, as, probably, *any* other problem of League, is in its core. Gameplay mechanics are compromised and game *HEAVILY* lacks integrity. Heavily. Untill Riot won't remake everyting from scratch, defining, that "this shit for this, and this shit - for that" - game will stay flawed.

[@CensoredMercy]

even worse now, they nerfed top and buff jg on repeat

[@minimoYT]

Thankfully next patch is a big jungle nerf, still no top buffs in sight, though

[@CensoredMercy]

@@minimoYT they reverted the nerfs :p

[@minimoYT]

@@CensoredMercy It's Joever...

[@ktskis1680]

It is because of serylda ldr and void staff Nerf those and toplane becomes really strong

[@senorisopod]

I only know shen, morde, tf, cass and malz so even if I hate top lane, I can only play there and mid. Fuck vayne top players

[@ekkiri1994]

im not high elo very skilled toplane main but i love this lane, i have a huge experience with every champion, i know the counterpicks for anyone and for me this season as usual was a joke, i climbed in g4 (like usual) for 56 games with 64.5% winrate. Toplane is isolated its true, but toplaner doesnt need to be with the team everytime. You need to have good macro, micro, lane managment, splitpush knowledge, map awareness, you need to know when to snowball your teammates in midgame, or snowball yourself. Toplane is more "nothing happens" lane on first sight, but when you realize how much you need to know and to do, to be usefull... Its so crazy. Even if you have 6/0 Morde as you said, you need to build him properly, you need to know how to counter everyone and become a threat. Not like braindead adc role where you just need to build mythic - ie and then coinflip every fight in hope that your support will press buttons. Thats why i love toplane, its pure skill expression, not for crybabes, not for autofiiled people who blame jungler for everything. If you died bcos of enemy jg gank, it YOUR fault, you should be more aware, if you dont place deepwards on river, dont buy pinks its your fault that jg permacamps you. I can continue for long time but the only thing i dont like about toplane is retarded chamions like tank akali, or vayne, or lethality sion. However you need to be realy good on them, to beat real toplane main.

[@nojaodoggo2896]

Agree. Fc ranged tops

[@darius896]

But not for yorick, it will stay top the entire game and still win

[@CensoredMercy]

still true

[@Résilience10]

I hate riot

[@minimoYT]

Every patch note makes them harder to love

[@Résilience10]

@@minimoYT i just want to hit diamond and quit the game

[@Cf-ik9dz]

It doesnt feel useless, it is useless. Theres a difference

[@nospoiler9550]

Só queria que os jungles tivessem conhecimento disso, é pedir muito?

[@vinnie3142]

I really want do disagree with this video, but i just cant. I love top lane but i also despise the moments when you hard stomp ur lane, but get run over by a giga fed adc with an annoying hyper peeling support and feeling like the game is out of your control.

[@Rexkar]

i am a quinn main

[@minimoYT]

I play Azir top, can't complain about other people's picks, godspeed

[@danielbarnes1241]

I am inside both of your homes.

[@errettfitchett2463]

Top is unfixable, becuase if you give top lane more agency, the support and adc will just play in the top lane. The top lane only has 1 player in it because it is less important. The only way to fix top lane is to make it a 6v6, which defeats the perpose of top lane, or drastically change how the game functions for only top laners.

[@minimoYT]

I remember that when TP was still usable on minions before 14 minutes, top lane would usually have a role to play in early bot fights and skirmishes. It was miserable for bot laners who couldn't engage in anything without 5 people showing up all of a sudden, but at least the top had a role to play there. For now, top lane is that extra lane you get when you need a frontline or split-push guy, but the lane itself only seems to exist in order to accomodate champions that don't fit elsewhere

[@kulpykulptington2715]

Top lane has some of the best impact on the outcome of the game post lane phase. They are the ones who generate the most macro pressure by pushing lanes and making plays with the team. They're independently strong and even when not ahead are typically able to 1v2 the enemy bot lane without a severe struggle. Your bot lane and Jg is doing bad and you have no dragons? Then how come you aren't taking top towers when the enemy team fights for drag? Or bot towers when they baron? Even if you get camped, the lane is entirely about skill. Can you 1v1 your laner? Can you manage your waves so you don't miss gold and exp? Do you use your TP to catch the canon or save it in case you get dove and would otherwise miss even more? Is it 12 minutes and you're saving it to have a number advantage at dragon? I have seen and been the top laner who carries the game solely through their own actions. Top laners have serious impact. Everyone always just wants to complain about how shitty their role is to feel like they deserve something, when it is simply not the case. League is in one of the best states it's ever been in right now, though with many questionable choices (The recent smite nerf on pets is just unreal.) it is still a healthy environment.

[@minimoYT]

I do agree that top lane can be impactful, but it's a reality that the role starts to lose popularity in higher elos for a reason. In the same way that the top laner can take side lane turrets, so can an ADC when hovered by someone else, and they do just as fast while being safer, and when it comes to teamfights, other roles often have more impact on how they play out, especially with an enchanter + ADC duo

[@tqwpt]

imagina ser um shen main 1st pick levar com 1 counter e ser gankado o inicio do jogo todo de baixo da torre que diversão ficar de baixo da torre e se usas o R em alguem perdes as tuas torres todas

[@minimoYT]

Conheço a história, minha primeira de Shen foi contra um Olaf. Ele pegou lvl 2 primeiro. O resto é história

[@paleo2253]

first maybe

[@minimoYT]

First indeed

[@olomocan5259]

"toplane feels useless" whilest having the most hitler op champs to ever exist in the game :D

[@minimoYT]

Counterpoint: Top lane champions are only allowed to be busted because the lane is just that bad

[@sleebyshedinja9318]

Adc 3 shotting the toplaner be like

[@erikstrand9876]

Anyone who thinks top lane is weak obviously doesn’t play top successfully. Go ahead an jungle and try to gank a lvl 10 top laner while you are a lvl 7 jungler and tell me top lane is weak

[@erikstrand9876]

Very often, the top lane won’t even get a gank because it’s suck a huge risk to give a double kill to the enemy. Idk what drugs you do while you play this game, but I want some

[@erikstrand9876]

China; the biggest county for league, currently believes top lane is the strongest lane right now, and they view the better top laner as the likely winner of the game, because of how hard they always carry the game

[@extravagantpigeon]

Are you on drugs or do you play ADC? because theres no other way i can imagine someone with such a delusional take

[@IMIv2]

As an adc player. No. Just no. If one side is winning top it's close to game over unless you can get to late game. Makes no difference how fed you are when theie beefy toplaner can just run through all of your team to two shot you lol.

[@coomer1451]

Adc players complaning when their role is the most broken in the game

[@sleebyshedinja9318]

Bruh adcs literally 2 or 3 shot me when fed and won't even need to kite. Tho ig assassins will always screw over marksmen no matter what.

[@danielbarnes1241]

ADC players will get 3 different reworks a season a still shred and single handedly get ghost and triforce nerfed and still complain.

[@lordheadass8310]

As someone main jungle and sp, I only see top lane as either a cash bag whenever I feel a bit peckish. Or cult following of the kkk because I prioritized the lanes that actually matter instead of them.

[@Mecomesloswebosxpregunta-nx5lx]

its the herald man, i dont care anymore if im 5/0 , i know the enemy jgl will come with that herald and ruin all my effort for deffending top tower