Why two NZ towns can't build more homes

Why two NZ towns can't build more homes | Q+A 2024

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@GueyDuck13 Ай бұрын

It's almost like we need a national water commission to take care of funding areas that can't afford upgrades to infrastructure

@DC_12345 Ай бұрын

yep this is literally what three waters was designed to fix...

@colinboggust2950 Ай бұрын

3 Waters

@Detached_Contemplation Ай бұрын

Unaffordable is in the eyes of the ratepayers - who just want taxpayers to subsidise them.

@glennanthony3165 Ай бұрын

@@DC_12345 But unfortunately the Labour lot allowed to have the Maori caucus have too much say therefore the reforms made it unpalatable based on a transfer of assets to iwi

@user-uy6uc5ey5q Ай бұрын

@@glennanthony3165 no its NZ law which has repeatly ruled that Iwi didn't seed control of water to the crown in 1840. You can't keep ignoring a commitment the crown gave in both versions of the Treaty because it doesn't match whatever you personally feel it should be. Its very 'othering" to try and make this issue about white vs brown whereas it about rule of law vs entrenced conservative comfort levels. You are completely wrong also on the what 3 waters was set to do , iwi wouldn't own the water right, they simply had to be consulted specifically in the management of water rights. Whats wrong with that?

@Its_Itsy Ай бұрын

100 hours of a city building simulation game should be mandatory for all council members

@krisvette5874 Ай бұрын

Classic Kiwiana...no long term planning. The country is Loosey Goosey.

@barrynichols2846 Ай бұрын

Classic National party thinking, capitalist short term thinking

@joshlarcelet2977 Ай бұрын

@@barrynichols2846 why would you subscribe to a certain party. Both are shit

@pieman2656 Ай бұрын

The housing ponzi scheme in New Zealand is a joke, as long as councils had new land, new developments on the books it paid for new infrastructure. But councilors screwed rate payers by taking too much from the golden goose now the only way is to increase rates or ask government so taxes. Water infrastructure underground unseen last around 25 years now all of a sudden pipes are breaking because no long-term plan, councilors pad their pockets with ridiculous salaries and crap service, put up rates rinse and repeat. Now there's no land they are allowing high density, so quarter acre went to eighth of an acre and now you can build 3 houses on it and go 2 to 3 stories high Reduce councilors salaries, identify projects that supply basics, water sewage, roading as priorities instated trying to beautify and gentrify city with art installations, flower beds. Yes there is a need for parks, cycleways, walkways but priority on basics otherwise there will be a lot of people going for walks and shitting in the bush LOL.

@stevenobrien6406 Ай бұрын

These councils had an opportunity years ago to sort this out. But the council priorities were mor centered around tourism... Its the same problem in the HB. Regional council budgets were diverted from water ways and sewerage and drainage management and went into gardens, pathways, parking meters and controlled parking areas.

@miggyalejandro Ай бұрын

We had a plan to fix this and said no.

@jayrob5270 Ай бұрын

Expand the sewerage ponds and then the added revenue from the rates from more houses should pay for it. It creates jobs for builders and construction and brings more revenue into the town for service business. The only problem is going over their budget cap which surely is just an accounting limit put on by bean counters and can easily be changed if there is an appetite to change it but government ideology may be a road block. 3 Waters was the solution to exactly this type of problem

@needleontherecord Ай бұрын

The main problem is that there are too many councils in the Wairarapa (and across New Zealand). They need to amalgamate but the local nimbys will never approve it until they collapse.

@Tuhoeterra Ай бұрын

its almost like we needed a plan to manage our waste, storm and drinking water, maybe even a new authority to do this work independent of council budgetary constraints.

@chriswhata Ай бұрын

@@Tuhoeterra you mean three waters?

@Tuhoeterra Ай бұрын

@@chriswhata 😉

@englishcoach7772 Ай бұрын

Excellent observation.

@radicallyrethinkingrailwaysina 21 күн бұрын

As an Australian I agree, I can't believe they cut 5 million people into so many small councils. I would have thought having separate councils for Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin, Tauranga and then maybe rural North island and rural South Island would be plenty

@mattheweden-pc5pk Ай бұрын

The council asleep at the wheel as usual, take your rates and give you nothing

@krisvette5874 Ай бұрын

Classic Kiwiana

@olliemoose2020 Ай бұрын

Its typical of councils all over the country poor management, and spending money on nice to have rather than need to have projects and to money employees, things have to change and now.

@W_Bin Ай бұрын

What have the Councils been spending money on? A few interviews with the Auditor General's office please, Jack.

@Tuhoeterra Ай бұрын

roads, pipes, infrastructure.

@ntskl Ай бұрын

More immigration, less housing. We *must* increase the boomers' real estate equity at the expensive of society as a whole.

@mareeauld5778 Ай бұрын

Crap...

@bigtam2408 Ай бұрын

Absolutely insane

@SRM_NZ Ай бұрын

what nonsense

@Peter-kk6rg Ай бұрын

Total agreement, house and rental property's are unaffordable in New Zealand. Our economy is a house of cards and young people are leaving New Zealand.

@bdub884 Ай бұрын

@@SRM_NZ hit a raw nerve there karen?

@Peter-kk6rg Ай бұрын

Prime Minister Chris Luxon has seven rental property's. He has just sold a property in Auckland and made $700,00 and payed zone in Taxes. If he paid taxes we could use some of the money on infrastructure. ❤

@Peter-kk6rg Ай бұрын

Bringing in a capital gains tax to finance infrastructure.

@W_Bin Ай бұрын

Wealth tax. Capital gains tax stops people from getting ahead. Tax the ones who can afford it - 1% over $5m to start. Anyone who doesn't get a 10% return on assets over $5m is by choice.

@Peter-kk6rg Ай бұрын

@@W_Bin It's a bleak future for the majority of New Zealanders with the young unable to buy home's and struggling to pay the rent.300 billion in capital gains made by landlords in last 25years and not one cent of tax payed.I think unless we bring in a fair tax system to pay for infrastructure we will become the Haiti of the South Pacifica.

@W_Bin Ай бұрын

@@Peter-kk6rg So what is unfair about wealth tax? Capital gains tax strangles single home owners. Retired. Small business owners. People trying to get secure.

@W_Bin Ай бұрын

@@Peter-kk6rg BTW my son, 27, electrician, just bought a house. With a friend, 27, builder. In Auckland. Capital gains tax will steal their equity in their only home. I don't know what economic planet you are on.

@richardcoutts2198 Ай бұрын

The wealthy already pay more than there fair share.(The top 10% of tax payers already pay 90 % of income taxes.).Any more and they will leave NZ and you will be worse off.The public service have left NZ down badly.

@NZrare Ай бұрын

Wow - a Council actually checking the capacity of their drainage systems. Unheard of.

@AnneAlready Ай бұрын

Do city dwellers own second homes here? Asking for a friend..

@ianvroegop8461 Ай бұрын

Health services are at capacity in the area too. You cant build houses without supporting infrastructure.

@0DarrenMeredith0 Ай бұрын

I was looking into alternative toilets, why dont they just allow new houses with incinerator toilets. They dont require sewerage pipes at all and only produce ash which you can safetly put on your garden

@KevinPhilpott-de5in Ай бұрын

Good point

@k1m625 Ай бұрын

we are out of natural gas

@shinneneguns4815 Ай бұрын

Maybe energy costs (most likely just straight incompetence tbh) but it's a great idea as it would add fertilizer to our soil and reduce water usage

@nostoneunturned7181 Ай бұрын

Slow down immigration or just stop talking about the issue because the solution is so obvious it hits you in the face and to pretend like we don't know how to solve the problem is to be so incredulous, ignorant and disingenuous.

@fleurosea Ай бұрын

Yeah but they keep putting up rates, soon we all won’t be able to afford to live in our own homes. But so long as the uber-wealthy get wealthier I’m sure everything will trickle down

@inzana2 Ай бұрын

The problem is we need skilled migrants but migration policy was for years focussed around migrant wealth. This has resulted in lots of migrants with money who were supposed to be "entrepreneurs" buying up assets including housing but adding little else to the economy. Surprise surprise, this has resulted in massive increases in house prices and made it harder for NZ companies to compete for skilled workers. Add to this terrible car/ car parking/ urban sprawl focussed development and this country is heading towards becoming a 3rd world slum.

@LONEWOLF78. Ай бұрын

@@inzana2bravo

@JasveerSinghBal-yc3by Ай бұрын

More people left New Zealand then those who came in to New Zealand. Read the news before commenting.

@nostoneunturned7181 Ай бұрын

@JasveerSinghBal-yc3by It's non kiwis coming in and Kiwis Leaving. That's what is happening. The 200, 000 yearly arrivals can't compete with how sick of this country Kiwis are. People who want a good life are leaving with their money and skills. People who are happy to work for minimum wage and lower standards of living are coming in. I wouldn't be surprised if the recent arrivals have a part to play in scaring Kiwis out of the country.

@mervyncave5263 Ай бұрын

There would be less demand on sewerage infrastructure if less shit was talked

@DaFooling Ай бұрын

The central government should invest in this kind of infrastructure, these tiny populations can’t afford the upgrades but wairapa could be taking some of the pressure off the Wellington market. Expand the infrastructure, put a fast train in and enable people develop a home for the next generation. Kudos to the older lady that said that and honestly, that old miser nimby fellow can do one, his kids probably have emigrated to Australia because he hates people. Shame on anyone in his generation that like to pull the rug out from under young kiwis.

@paton57 Ай бұрын

Good old septic tanks

@sparkydave55 Ай бұрын

Warkworth on the north side of Auckland have suspended connections of any new houses to the old wastewater plant until the new plant is opened in about 2 years time, so not just small town problems. After throwing away $200 million on the abandoned light rail to the airport....

@olliemoose2020 Ай бұрын

There are far to many people getting into councils with there own personal agenda's and want's and not focusing on the core needs and the main infrastructure namely water, sewage, road's and park's.

@SuperMCkilla 18 күн бұрын

Retail shutting its doors, no influx of younger people, sounds like the making of ghost town.

@bungee7503 Ай бұрын

The Council should be checking what else should have been done but hasn’t.

@peterwiles1299 Ай бұрын

Under the RMA the legal mandate of councils was to sustainably manage the environment. Apparently not their own environment.

@davidalexanderlourie4371 26 күн бұрын

A you tube channel 'not just bikes' has done research on the drivers that cause rates to increase. It is called sprawl. 'Developers' provide the initial infrastructure and pay development contributions. The Los Angles urban sprawl model adopted by most councils and developers here has very high infrastructure and servicing costs over residential unit. Before you know it we have a ponzi scheme operations where the contributions from the new builds are needed to service, maintain and replace existing infrastructure. The result of councils chasing their own tails is ever expanding debt while being urged on by developers. The sensible option is to model residential development higher density mixed commercial/residential/ light clean industry in multistorey blocks based on a cross between a village and a CBD. It gobbles up much less land, makes access to open space easier. And less reliance on cars.

@turdbomitch9007 Ай бұрын

You didn't mention warkworth, north of Auckland. Same boat too😅

@jiara01 Ай бұрын

Local councils that only rely on rates to fund everything is lazy. They should create other ways to produce local council income flow to help fund the running of the cities.

@tinaaroha8205 Ай бұрын

Well, how pathetic is that council allowing building and not thinking where all the shit is going to go.

@annahouston9528 Ай бұрын

I am thinking that this government might want to privatizes these as well.

@DossNZ 15 күн бұрын

Well done that place.

@mauricepearce4400 Ай бұрын

That’s the situation in Waikanae and Paraparaumu and surrounding areas over population and old infrastructure

@keastymatthew2407 Ай бұрын

no one carez

@msf2126 Ай бұрын

more houses only mean more rates for council . it is an illusion to think it will lower rates for existing ratepayers .rates are the most ominous and controlling tax that exist.

@wheresthedeli8822 Ай бұрын

lol boomers reaping what they sowed

@stephenhamer1702 23 күн бұрын

What are they spending the rates on ?

@growtocycle6992 Ай бұрын

More people is not a solution to failing infrastructure 🤦

@lancemillward2462 Ай бұрын

LOL. New government has no solution for this.

@pspaulstewartinterviewinspires 14 күн бұрын

Rates! This is the issue. Local councils and Govt are taking too much! Simple as that We have become too reliant and too controlled by these bodies. We need to return to more community lead initiatives and teamwork. Case by case, town by town. Unique. Original. Self sufficient. Govt = they don’t know what to do, and they won’t let anyone else do it. Locals should be allowed to pull together and make it happen, any way they can. That should then be supported by govt with skilled people and guidance when required. That is a win/win. Local empowered. Locals make it happen.

@darylmckay Ай бұрын

So, due to a low ratings base, the solution is more ratepayers living in expansive subdivisions with new suburban homes sprawling across fertile farmland with all the new roads, footpaths, lighting, fibre, electricity, sewage, water and other infrastructure needing to be added at great cost. Genius!! 😂

@keyboardwarrior9199 Ай бұрын

Why not just use a spetic tank. Build outside the sewarage scheme area so you're not required to connect to it. Sure it adds like 30-50k to your build but at least you can build.

@garethkirby3904 Ай бұрын

Septic tanks still need to be emptied every 3 yrs or so. So still going to end up in sewage plant.

@ooo-vc4xl Ай бұрын

Even separating out water assets into CCO's doesnt take away the fact that the end users (mainly ratepayers) are still going to foot the bill, as either rates only, or rates + water bills & will thus face yet more inflation and lowered living standards. Local govt should have never been given the powers of general competence. Many have wasted their rates revenue on projects that dont stack up from a benefit/cost perspective have avoided proper asset management and renewal.

@marinoharker-smith7331 Ай бұрын

Are septic tanks or composting toilet systems an option for this issue?

@robvanderkroft6515 Ай бұрын

This should be standard in all towns and cities. To many towns and cities overload the waste water treatment systems. Or heres an idea . Have all new build in this area have their own septic tank

@davidshellock1588 Ай бұрын

It's a bit like not changing the oil in your car. Muppet council.

@DonMackay-ec1jx Ай бұрын

This is why 3 Waters was necessary and the right answer, but the Clown Coalition undid it to curry favour with all the little "boss hog" Tory Mayors.

@thehoundGOT Ай бұрын

Perhaps some initiatives to reduce the sewerage volume would go some way to helping after the de-sludging has been completed.

@ooo-vc4xl Ай бұрын

Most NZ councils are too small and are uneconomic. They need to all be amalgamated into unitary authorities covering economically viable areas.

@couchbanana343 Ай бұрын

All the funding goes to the big cities never the small towns

@ewenhosking6135 Ай бұрын

Why don't they have new owners build septic tanks?

@PiefacePete46 Ай бұрын

Just went looking for the "Town Planning Office"... Naahhh... never needed one of those!

@captainwheelbarrow649 Ай бұрын

Why are we so shit

@LONEWOLF78. Ай бұрын

Its 2024 & New Zealand is broken.

@Emanicas Ай бұрын

Does this affect septic tanks?

@couchbanana343 Ай бұрын

Whole system is a damn joke

@AndrewJackson-mf5qp Ай бұрын

Councils like building monuments to themselves and to hell with necessary infrastructure.

@geoffmorgan2794 Ай бұрын

That man was dreaming!! if we have more people, the lower the rates, 🤣More people More infrastructure, Increase in rates!!

@englishcoach7772 Ай бұрын

Kiwi ingenuity dead? Or stagnation a new favorable cultural tendency?

@Islandwaterjet Ай бұрын

It was not that long ago every house just had a 200L used oil drum buried in the backyard this was the septic field. Sludge buildup ? Just go get another used oil drum. Before that we all had an outhouse in the backyard. Back in 1910 the NZ Post Office Savings Bank funded housing such that everyone had housing and the massive wave of immigration they were employed building housing and infrastructure - and this was done with zero public debt. Perhaps we should look into going back to what worked.

@fleurosea Ай бұрын

Are you suggesting we should go back to shitting in our back yards? Sounds gross. Rather than the National govt actually stepping up and doing their job of making our country work…

@NZintheFarEast Ай бұрын

@@fleurosea As far as I can tell, composting our own waste would actually resolve the problem in many cases, and would save councils a ton of money on infrastructure. You can get gravity-fed composting toilets that don't require shifting of buckets etc, and the byproduct after the waste breaks down is perfectly usable fertiliser that doesn't stink at all. Sounds good to me

@Islandwaterjet Ай бұрын

@@fleurosea The assumption of government hyper-competence. The government does not have the answers my friend government only creates problems they never solve the problems they have created.

@W_Bin Ай бұрын

@@Islandwaterjet _"only creates problems they never solve the problems"_ do you think they are stupid? Their empires would end. We are the ones who are stupid. Succumbing to culture wars while our country is eaten alive in front of us.

@thatdave86 Ай бұрын

Why do these stories tell us what we already know or are aware of ,i would rather they put their resources into helo finding solutions,better ways , connecting those who beed ro be connected with skill and inow how . They also should be investigating why the bew Sewrage systems will be so costly ,we probably know that reason to vut it needs ro be tackeled head on ,it is a health and issue. But the press ahould ve pushing to see outcomes ,make sure rhat in this case the ponds are cleaned out ASAP. Loved that guys response,dont want more people lol,isnt that rhe heart of most aocial issues,People ?

@user-uy6uc5ey5q Ай бұрын

This a classic case of the people ending up getting what they voted for. The South Wairarapa council several years ago, after extensive research and publicity proposed an merging of the district councils to avoid this very issue. The voters voted it down by wide margin. . If you actively chose to ignore a solution laid in front of you, you deserve everything that happens after.