Why US gun laws get looser after mass shootings

[@Vox]

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[@9mmshort254]

I'm keeping my guns, snowflakes.

[@trader2137]

we need more guns in the country, people who want to use guns will always find a way to get them

[@BFROFFICIAL2024]

Your gun control agenda is DOA! PARTY!!!!!

[@genericyoutubeuser8957]

Not surprised, but it is interesting to see Vox openly admit that they see your natural rights as "obstacles".

[@sanidhay4841]

​@@9mmshort254 you'll understand when you lose a loved one bcoz some rando kid was able to get firearms easily

[@probablyaman]

As someone who lives outside the US I always feel so awful to hear about mass shootings. But I don't know what to feel for the US anymore. I know there are so many kind and amazing people living in the US. Yet I feel so numb about all the bad news in the US nowadays. Healthcare, abortion, guns, racial inequality... Part of me think that what the US needs is a revolution from the people. But the people are so divided and I don't think that will solve the problems.

[@putra4101]

It's not, it's gonna break up like ussr.

[@Cyclic420]

The main issue is all the boomers that lead the country can’t except change

[@theguythatcoment]

Every country has what it deserves, I'm fron Mexico so definitely not pointing fingers.

[@patogordo1385]

US is good with the Americans. It is actually great the way it is. I wish BR and ISR were the same

[@FederalCurrencyy]

Hopefully they can find a proper solution..

[@lightningboltt5437]

At this point, politicians should be made to wear a banner telling us which company is sponsoring them

[@OmniSlayer-]

Gun control does not work

[@brucecampbell4528]

Yeah that would show democrats as true crooks.

[@enderjed2523]

How would you even fit all the banners then?

[@sergiofreitas9368]

@@enderjed2523 Smith&Wesson would certainly have one of the biggest, not to forget the auto lobby and the tobacco industry of course...

[@enderjed2523]

@@sergiofreitas9368 If you stitched all the banners together, they’d probably be large enough to make a circus tent out of, and still have enough cloth spare for patchwork later on.

[@anzhonnycastillo1731]

...a country where people see guns as a right, but housing, healthcare, education, liveable wage, etc. as a privilege. Smh...

[@vacafuega]

True, when you put it like that

[@vacafuega]

True, when you put it like that

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

The privilege of living in a white country, you mean...

[@JonBrou]

Say it again.

[@user71285]

That's how it should be though. A right is something more on an ideological line; allowing people the right to protect oneself should be an explicitly stated right. Homes, healthcare, wages, etc are and have always been privileges. You're not entitled to those.

[@Bober909]

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.

[@imanuelextreme6142]

it isnt the guns that cause these shootings, its the people behind those guns. we can't control a person's mind!

[@Lenevor]

It don’t tho

[@gwennygrausamt]

@@imanuelextreme6142 I’d guess that’s why you shouldn’t allow dangerous people to get easy access to guns. You don’t have to directly control a person, just their access to firearms.

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

@@Lenevor It do though. The US has a much higher murder rate than any other Western country to begin with (8 times that of Germany, 12-13 times that of Switzerland). And mass murder sprees make up a much larger proportion of those deaths than elsewhere.

[@georgegreen711]

Knife crimes and assaults still have gone up on the same curve more or less that gun crimes have outside the US. Weapons aren't the issue; people and culture and society is.

[@cheesycheez]

I swear, living through this feels like reading a dystopian novel and thinking this is too outlandish to be possible, then realizing it is actually the reality. It’s hard to believe.

[@jessetorres8738]

Summarizing all of the gun problems in the U.S. in 1 sentence: The National Rifle Association bribes politicians to do nothing about gun control, & then those same politicians go on national media claiming there's nothing they can do about mass shootings while also encouraging more gun sales.

[@neeneko]

sadly, a lot of the thought leaders grew up reading dystopian stuff and thought 'hey, that looks like a future I want to have power in!'

[@hmu958]

Yeah. Hard to believe so many laws take away our abilities to defend ourselves.

[@flipingboredcritic]

It is in the USA. Anything that sounds dystopian and can make money, you can be rest assured the USA will try it first.

[@neeneko]

@@flipingboredcritic one key reason behind this : when you look at conservative ethics in the US, it is heavily rooted in 'who', not 'what', meaning the morality of an action is weighed by who is taking the action on who, not what the action is. Thus, dystopian models are highly desirable since making money is 'good' (at least if you are WASP, otherwise you are evil and taking oppurtunity away from people who deserve it more), so if a dystopian configuration makes people wealthy, that means they are good people, and thus their actions are moral.

[@RiPhi99]

As a person who lives in a country that does not have a gun culture. I cannot fathom how "Guns" can become so ingrained in a society and become a part of the culture of a country

[@leothel10n96]

Is called history

[@61936]

Me neither

[@imperatormaximus8952]

@@leothel10n96 you know, we've used guns too, the USA is not the only nation with Gunpowder.

[@rashad123us]

“White” Americans and their freedom to lord over others.

[@bangingears5911]

Maybe because we like being able to defend ourselves, our families, and our property. Or maybe it is the fact that we like having the option to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government. But I forgot you are so free and so protected by your government you have nothing to worry about 😂😂😂

[@Abracadaniel95]

I'd like to see a study conducted comparing the number of mass shootings in red states vs blue states and if the numbers are comparable, investigate how the shooters are getting the guns. If the guns are coming over state lines, then federal action is the only solution.

[@vacafuega]

Good point

[@V3RTIGO222]

There actually is, and it turns out that gun violence overall isn't changed... Actually, a number of shootings have been stopped by people who were allowed to carry in churches or legally conceal carry in public... Something Vox purposely neglects to mention in their video, and also neglects to mention a majority of other states where the trend is the exact opposite... Also, Arizona is the most lax state for gun control and hasn't had nearly as many incidents (if any) worth the news coverage.

[@klerb342]

i've seen stuff in the past saying gun violence is higher in red states not sure about mass shootings tho

[@Quadrenaro]

@@klerb342 It's technically true. In that a single act of gun violence in my town will be a higher percentage than most major cities. Easy to use statistics to make a point you want when population in alot of places in in the hundreds.

[@chrispychicken9614]

@@Quadrenaro that’s why you use stats based on per/1,000 people and find that red states are MUCH more dangerous. Missouri has 2 of the 5 U.S. cities with highest murder per capita.

[@Royalleague45]

I'm just baffled that the "solution" provided by these laws are to give MORE people weapons.

[@Lesrevesdhiver]

criminals will have guns either way so why not good people?

[@Royalleague45]

@@Lesrevesdhiver I am confused by your comment, could you elaborate? I’m reading it in my head and I don’t understand it.

[@Lesrevesdhiver]

@@Royalleague45 Gun restrictions are not going to stop criminals from being armed. Well, violent criminals anyways. So anyways if guns were too restricted, honest people wouldn't have much defense. When the good guys are armed, it just might slow down the bad guys. The playing field is more level.

[@Royalleague45]

@@Lesrevesdhiver I see now, thank you for clarifying!

[@maxhill9254]

@@Lesrevesdhiver Your "logic" does not work out. The US has probably got the most loose gun laws in the world, it certainly has the most guns per person and yet the gun murder rates are still extremely high. A "good guy" with a gun can turn into a "bad guy" with a gun if conditions change (unhappy marriage, unsuccessful job, depression, drug addiction...etc).

[@expandedhistory]

Why is it that me being a History teacher, I have to worry about getting potentially shot and killed in my own classroom? Why is it that I have to worry about my students safety against a potential shooter? A school should be an environment of learning and safety.

[@yousufleads]

Hence online schooling.

[@ChadGatling]

Criminals don't respect your opinions. We should all be safe and worry free wherever we are. There are laws everywhere and there are always people who choose to disregard them. Passing a law is not going to dissuade those who are already breaking laws. The war on drugs is going great so you want a war on guns?

[@davidsaenz2449]

@@theAnthonyvk what a completely useless reply. I guess if you want to be in this country you shouldn't go to a church, school, restaurant, grocery store, mall, park, hospital, bar/club, parade,

[@tompeled6193]

Media fearmongering.

[@AnnaEReady]

A little unrelated, but as someone with a history degree and goes back on forth on getting in teaching history (in the usa lol) do you feel exceptionally targetted by parents and stuff for having some "agenda" when you just are teaching Real Things That Happened like slavery or internment camps? I have a huge passion for history but don't know how I could handle threats from parents for teaching things that simply happened in the past. Ignore my question if its personal!!

[@flowerflower1154]

Even just one piece of bullet loss by a hunter is a big news here in Japan. Generally takes more than one year to get a license, not a gun.

[@ligmaballs0911]

Japan doesn’t have guns in their constitution.

[@Codmonster999]

And yet your former prime minister still got merked by a homemade gun

[@blankii333]

@@Codmonster999 I'd rather have someone being killed by 3D printed weapons, than thousands of people, and thousands of *children* being killed by easily accessible weapons, legally or otherwise. Firearms were the number one cause of death for children ages 1-19 in the United States in 2020, taking the lives of 4,357 children. With the exception of Canada, in no other peer country were firearms among the top five leading causes of childhood deaths.

[@Codmonster999]

@@blankii333 guns would still be easily accessible for criminals even if they were completely due to the sheer number of them here, significantly outnumbering people. Most "peer countries" also don't have nearly as much of a gang culture as the US, which is responsible for 3/4 of murders using firearms. A peer country in this context would be mexico or brazil which have a ridiculous number of gun murders despite having extremely strict gun laws.

[@akmo7766]

@@Codmonster999 speak on it!!

[@chat-with-me8224]

America, where the only solution to violence IS violence . . .

[@jessetorres8738]

Reminder: Roughly 3 out of every 4 Domestic Terrorists that killed at least 4 people since 2016 have been Caucasian Conservative men.

[@sirecartier7881]

"at least it's not communism🤪"

[@patogordo1385]

Sometimes that’s the only answer buddy

[@SilverKarma]

they just have to capitalise over every problem instead of solving it

[@bananaempijama]

@LOAN NGUYEN they think it's normal to live like a video game

[@danielthecake8617]

Healthcare is a privilege but guns are a right? Really guys?

[@BestAIRapmusic]

a lot of health issues can be prevented by a healthy lifestyle. But i agree, certain health issues like tumors, and uncontrollable diseases should be a right to health care.

[@GuyWithInternet.]

@@BestAIRapmusic Unfortunately the US makes it kind of hard to do so. Sure you can do it. But like man do we have too much stuff in our food like Red 40.

[@seendon5394]

Why not have both? I’d say that’s fair.

[@moon-rw4gh]

This!!

[@maskedrebel9670]

If we don't have guns we can't fight for rights. No revolution can be mounted without weapons.

[@wolvesrfun]

Like a driver's license, not everybody should have a gun. You should have to pass a test to show that you are properly trained to use and store guns and ammo, and prove that you are mentally stable enough to carry one. And in order to keep them, you should be required to take the test again every once in a while to renew your registration. While the second amendment is important and people should have the right to protect themselves and their families, there is clearly something we are doing wrong for so many mass shootings to be taking place, and more unrestricted access to guns does not seem like the solution.

[@keetlecorn]

Such an easy solution and yet here we are

[@theamerican3785]

While I do support licensing let’s be honest do you really think it’s gonna pass constitutional muster especially after bruen ?

[@9mmshort254]

@@keetlecorn Come and take it then.

[@wolvesrfun]

@Tactical Kitten I'm much more concerned about 3d printing them, but I would think someone who is not permitted to have a gun due to mental or criminal reasons already would have someone to watch over them. Admittedly, this would not stop everyone due to how the country treats the mentally ill, the elderly, the impoverished, and ex-criminals, but having good gun control shouldn't disturb good healthy people from having the means to protect themselves and their loved ones.

[@V3RTIGO222]

The irony here is that you can buy a car without a license, just not legally drive it... So that hasn't stopped people from running over crowds of people and killing more there than any mass shooting to date...

[@Thebreakdownshow1]

Is it just me or does America seems to be on a downward trajectory? EDITED/ addition (I recently made a video on how the world is a stupider place and realized its not just America it seems to be an overall trend.)

[@LoreEclectic]

It has been progressively worse and I'm suffering

[@madat5843]

The feeling i mutually shared. It is a country that chooses to stick to a constitution that was written a long time ago by people who meant well but that was 200 years ago there is so much more to the world today.

[@jiya6531]

@@LoreEclectic How are you suffering?

[@2xwishbone895]

Changing World Order. Civilizations have an age of death.

[@yuhgod]

dont forget your hat captain obvious

[@ratofvengence]

Seven mass shootings (4 or more killed or wounded) on March 31st alone. You lot will never learn...

[@Moose_King_05]

How many of those were gang related?

[@Ajia_No_Envy]

​@Moose_King_05 compared to the UK or Australia or even Canada. How many more school shootings is that in a month?

[@spoidabetch]

even growing up in a rural part of canada, *most* people around me realized guns are a weapon, or a tool, not some flashy toy. there was way more respect and responsibility shown for guns *most* of the time. people were/are very strict about how, why, where & when they're used, and pass that serious attitude onto the youth too, which is very, very important. people have to take weekend long courses to get their gun license, and that includes a practicum portion w/ the instructor at the end. they also make it very clear that it's not 'funny' or 'a game' during the course. they'll kick you out/report you if they sense you aren't taking it seriously (happened to someone in my brother's course once) and so on. you have to renew your license every 5 yrs (in most places), they background check you for life now when you apply and you have to register all you guns too - just basic things that should/need to be happening everywhere - if you let the public own firearms to begin with. i'm VERY lucky i grew up in a community where most people had respect for guns, and in a country where the public can't conceal carry.

[@OmniSlayer-]

Gun control does not work

[@moygame159]

Now THIS is what gun regulation should be!

[@blondie7240]

That same respect for the danger and seriousness of guns is held in the mountain west of the USA, and I would assume it would be the same for the majority of the rural USA as well. USA culture is different from Canada when it comes to how we see the government. The laws here are foundationally meant to protect the individual from the state; whereas in Canada the law are more about keeping law and order. Gun restrictions take away individual's rights, but also make law and order easier if only the state has the guns.

[@Zakna]

@@blondie7240 How are guns going to protect you against tanks and fighter jets?

[@AngelloDelNorte]

You know which other countries have strict Gun control? South America and look up their homicide and gun violence rate.

[@Big_Computer]

the American dream: moving out of the US

[@William43210]

@Narja first mistake: now you’re thousands of dollars in debt for school (Luckily you get a d fancy new piece of paper 🥳)

[@thebestcentaur]

This. This hit home.

[@hipsterjelly14]

The dilemma: Where to?

[@ankur7564]

or not getting pregnant in high school........because the new abortion law

[@Warhead_235]

For someone who has served in the army for over 10 years and been to eight different countries I am glad to be in United States of America. Other countries that claim to be so great I’ve been to two of those let me tell you they are not so good at all whatsoever

[@SneakySteevy]

A troubled country. Not going to change soon since they literally laugh at the solution.

[@Tylerd838]

That’s because it’s not a solution

[@SneakySteevy]

@@Tylerd838 you dont even know what solution i’m talking about…🥸

[@Tylerd838]

@@SneakySteevy then what is it

[@SneakySteevy]

@@Tylerd838 American citizens are traumatized. Thinking process is not good, ego to the roof, many many biaises. Citizens have to solve THEIR OWN problems before to try solving others problems.

[@Tylerd838]

@@SneakySteevy yeah, that is exactly why we laugh at it because you didn’t list a solution

[@Beeaatbox]

What a joke of a country.

[@Howboutno1]

it gets even worse when you live in a red state

[@landonculbertson810]

It is not the gun’s fault, but the person behind the gun.

[@tyr7317]

@@landonculbertson810 if the person didn't have the gun they couldn't have done what they did

[@landonculbertson810]

@@tyr7317 I see where you come from, but there are other ways of stopping gun violence instead of banning certain guns.

[@esoij]

I know, I wish I lived in a country like Finland. Things are actually good there.

[@qrzone8167]

The US needs to follow Switzerland's example. They have about as much guns as the average red state yet absolutely no gun violence.

[@ulthanesmorkums]

Switzerland is 99% white dude.

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

@@ulthanesmorkums As are American spree shooters.

[@ulthanesmorkums]

@HeadsFullOfEyeballs So you admit to only caring about an issue when it's sensationalized. Because gang shootings FAR outnumber the few isolated spree shooting instances shown in mass media.

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs the American spree shooters the news channels tell you about ;)

[@rosswalenciak3739]

Switzerland is also like that because all men have to serve in the military for a time.

[@berc1050]

Wow, what a brave woman. Props to her to speaking out about the issue.

[@catlvr-kg9ol]

She slayed

[@demarcuscousinsthe65th]

@@catlvr-kg9ol what that means

[@CoryHatfield]

Whats so brave about making an innocuous documentary? It's not like she was reporting from an active shooting.

[@BanjoZZZ]

@@CoryHatfield some people don't understand bravery.

[@NaviTheNavajo]

There is nothing brave about infringing a constitution. Especially one that was based on native american ideology which I am proudly am. I know my people need guns and so even tho America 🇺🇸 has conquered my people i will not go against the country and our 1st and 2nd amendment

[@strawberrypawz_]

how many more “thoughts and prayers” until they realize that the issue will never be solved until someone takes action…

[@NolanB.]

"theres nothing we can do to stop this" says the only country on earth where this happens

[@rausb]

Europe: has nearly no shootings at all. Meanwhile the US: we need more guns because of mass shootings.

[@TacosAndBenders]

I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.

[@DireAvenger001]

“Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivo­ lous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment. We do not in­ terpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35-36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.” - Scalia, page 8 of DC v Heller opinion (2008)

[@marc-andreservant201]

Some nuclear warheads are small enough to be carried in a backpack. I approve of this decision, the only way to stop a criminal with a nuclear warhead is a good guy with a nuclear warhead.

[@MichelleObamasBBC]

the founding fathers intended for civilians to own the same kind of weaponry the government does to prevent tyranny and authoritarianism such as the kind found in Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Germany. when the government owned muskets, people owned muskets. when the government owned warships and cannons, people owned cannons. your logic is highly fallacious.

[@cjhenson2412]

Thank you I think this may be the funniest thing I've read in a long time

[@onemansvoice9132]

@@MichelleObamasBBC you really think even with citizens owning guns they could stop fighter gets and tanks

[@LaurenSophie1989]

I live outside of the USA in a country with very strict gun laws. I never thought it was a problem and never felt unsafe because of it. Actually I don't think a lot about guns. But then I went to the USA as an exchange student. And I had to participate in "active shooter drills". My class mates told me how many of their families had guns at home. Guys talked about going shooting on the weekends. It seemed like there were guns everywhere. When I told my hosts parents that I was worried about all these kids in high school having access to their parents guns ... he looked at me and said "don't worry. I have a gun, maybe it would help you, if I give you your own gun". I never touched a gun! But it seems for some people a gun problem can only be solved by more guns...

[@phenixtechyt]

America moment 💀💀💀

[@GlaciaDay]

Gun supporters: The right of owning guns is written in the constitution! Well, I guess when constitution was established, nobody had ever thought of the probability of massive shooting? Maybe.

[@sepp3828]

@Exculpatory Shōgun Not trusting your government is not a reason to arm citizens. Armed citizens wont stop the rising of a dictator or the government making weird laws any better than non armed citizens. Also i trust people who went under strict gun training and a psychological test (like police and army should) way more than a random citizen with a gun.

[@user-xt3xn2hl4e]

@@sepp3828 Why do you trust law enforcement to have the arms when law enforcement routinely abuse their authority? Defund the police.

[@sudimara7731]

What I don't understand about gun rights is, that people are allowed to have a gun to protect themselves. It must be very dangerous and violence to live in the US that you have to own a gun to feel safe. And ironically other people owning a gun also make them don't feel safe. Gun is use to ensure safety for people who own it but also a threat to people who don't own it.

[@Smitty19966]

As someone who doesn’t live in the US I’m lucky to know I can walk outside without fear of being shot. You guys are truly the “freest” country in the world.

[@yassinewaterlaw6597]

But you walk with the fear of geting hit by a car

[@Smitty19966]

@johnobama6629 So you'd rather get shot to death, that's great philosophy right there... I dare wonder which one's more lethal

[@ratofvengence]

@johnobama6629 The US has a higher knife homicide rate. Didn't you know?

[@hobbso8508]

​@johnobama6629Knife crime is worse in the US than the UK.

[@WARDOG123]

The violence rate in the United States is 3/100, Europe is a mediocre continent and I, as an average American citizen, have a higher standard of living than 90% of other average citizens in the rest of the world

[@vernonhampton6973]

After moving to Australia last December, the difference in gun culture, ownership, laws and behaviour is night and day in comparison to the United States. I've asked more than several dozen Australians I've met here how they feel about gun ownership and I've yet to hear a single one of them say that they feel a gun would make their daily lives safer. Now, I'm not saying that crime does not happen here, as it happens everywhere humanity exists. What I AM saying is that the gun legislation adopted by parliament in 1996 in concert with the behaviour of the people saw a reduction in gun crime and not one single mass shooting (described as shooting 4 or more persons in a single instance) since 1996. And before anyone asks, there ARE guns here...a LOT of them!

[@xaquariix]

Hope you've been enjoying your stay in Australia! This country is amazing and I'm glad that safety isn't a huge concern for me

[@0h0h0h0]

I think one of the important things that people from the US forget is that if criminals have guns, they're most likely to use them on other criminals. On their peers (in a similar manner as a lot of school shootings are done by their own class mates). So yes, guns will be in a country, but 'regular folks' will be way less likely to encounter them.

[@whiterappersworstenemy5773]

Encountered any giant huntsman spiders yet?

[@vernonhampton6973]

@@whiterappersworstenemy5773 There was one near the door last night when my wife and I got home from dinner in Southbank, actually...

[@sebastienholmes548]

The Crime rate was falling before the ban.

[@theayman360]

Why is all news from America disappointing

[@optimx314]

maybe because...

[@abilkvijayan8298]

Fr 💀

[@articwolf7227]

It’s not disappointing it’s the truth

[@akhilanganeshkumar9908]

Wait, you’re telling me news from other parts of the world can be GOOD!?

[@Neil-Aspinall]

Disappointing in what manner Theps?

[@stijnvth]

So much respect for those people after having experienced such a traumatic thing. And so little respect to law makers to bowing down to gun lobbying as their citizens keep getting shot.

[@Awesome_Aasim]

The specific problems is with the partisan politics. For one, we need to make it easier for those with the appropriate training to carry weapons, but for another, we need to make it harder for those who intend to harm themselves or others. Democrats focus on one half of the equation, and Republicans focus on the other half.

[@CoryHatfield]

If you cry hard enough, you might hurt the guns feelings. lol

[@stijnvth]

@@CoryHatfield dude can you teach me how to be so cool, please?

[@xhenryth7926]

You act like there's not more mass shootings in Chicago (Democrat run) than schools nationwide, combined.

[@MarlosCartinez]

@@stijnvth i mean when someone wants to do you harm what are you going to do about it? Be defenseless or have a means to protect yourself?

[@richhornie7000]

Clearly the problem is that there are too few guns for good guys to defend themselves...

[@howabout8611]

Yep more guns that will fix it surely?

[@KBoon]

More gun safety/training, better education system, better parenting, better moral values, less egocentrism, better family structure...these are complex social issues that when broken, can lead someone to do horrible things, with a gun, or without one. "Ban them all" is just as much of a non-solution as "hand them out to everyone".

[@richhornie7000]

@@KBoon so gun control? Universal health care? Universal education? Free higher education? Agreed

[@Absolute_Joker]

@@richhornie7000 How would the Government pay for all of that "Free" Stuff without taxing the people into poverty? Also, Gun Control Leads to Dictatorships.

[@richhornie7000]

@@Absolute_Joker you literally have countless examples of poor and rich nations alike doing exactly that. The US spent 2 trillion dollars bombing Afghanistan alone. How could a country like this say it doesn't have enough money for healthcare.

[@Koolwaffle]

It's ironic how they say they prevent mass shootings by helping the shooters get guns.

[@Hardwaregeekx]

No training required to openly carry a gun? That's worse than no training required to drive. At least a car isn't a killing machine by design.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

It is extremely more difficult to operate a vehicle compared to operating a firearm.

[@Hardwaregeekx]

@@1911GreaterThanALL That means there is no hardship to speak of to require training. Why not require it? Something as simple as keeping the gun unloaded, making sure there is no round in chamber and never pointing the gun at someone unless you intend to shoot. That sort of training is going to save lives.

[@happyblt624]

but like... a car is a killing machine

[@Hardwaregeekx]

@@happyblt624 A car is a machine "designed" for transportation, not for killing.

[@nepnepguythegreatestofall]

@@Hardwaregeekx It's not designed to be a killing machine, but it can be turned into a killing machine. Have you even seen a single news article of a car accident and what it can do to people? Now imagine that, but with full intention

[@ashervirin9698]

It’s sad how relevant this video is and will continue to be all the time for every year in the near future in the USA

[@legobro8753]

Never let a good crisis go to waste

[@taketwoplease]

America is regressing so much its scaring the rest of the world

[@toivoni4221]

me a european : what the duck they doing over there

[@lukav3509]

lemme go get some popcorn

[@Neil-Aspinall]

The problem is, why should responsible gun owners be made to give up their 2nd amendment?

[@DireAvenger001]

@@Neil-Aspinall they shouldn’t. A law abiding citizen is precisely what’s encompassed in “the people” outlined by the second amendment

[@theAnthonyvk]

@@Neil-Aspinall guns are really unnecessary if nobody had them is the first place so many deaths and shootings could have been avoided and Americans wouldn’t be in this position

[@LoreEclectic]

We're suffering

[@arthurdurham]

Texas's logic seems to be if your dish is too salty, just keep adding salt, eventually the amount will cancel out the saltiness.

[@freshlymemed5680]

So that explains the brain damage exhibited.

[@rcdrury1]

@@freshlymemed5680 I'm sure that Arthur's a good guy. No need to refer to him that way.

[@none11flop9]

never try to make an analogy again

[@gandalfwhite4803]

@@none11flop9 works somehow though

[@S1D3W1ND3R015]

Or a better analogy would be adding pepper. Pepper being the law abiding gun owners. Now it equalized the dish.

[@TJ-hg6op]

A “Alright 14 children died from a drunk guy who has an IQ of 82 with a gun, what’s the plan?” B “Restrict the number of guns given out so there’s less chances of this happening” C “Give all the children guns so they can defend themselves” A “C you’re a genius, B you’re fired” For people who say that guns are there for “your protection,” maybe, but maybe if everyone didn’t have such dangerous weapons you wouldn’t have as much need for protection. America, outside of Brazil, is a massive outlier for having by far the most gun deaths compared to basically all countries.

[@MooseOsauras]

You just proved your point wrong when you mentioned Brazil

[@trikool9773]

​@@MooseOsauras his point stands. Brazil is impoverished, USA is not. Its more comparible to eu, and you guys win at mass shootings

[@Noface603]

I live in NH. We have some of the most relaxed gun laws in the country and one of the lowest crime rates in the country. But not all rules work for all places.

[@firefly9838]

Doesn't fit their narrative

[@JakeKoenig]

New Hampshire is 93% white. That's why you have one of the lowest crime rates in the country. And that's the overwhelming correlation to gun crime that nobody wants to acknowledge: RACE. So instead we get all the liberal smokescreens focusing on gun laws, so we won't focus on which demographics commit most of the gun crime in America.

[@bertbccfu9564]

My buddy lives in New Hampshire also near Dalton Mountain he always says the same thing an armed Society is a polite Society, and I really find that to be true up there

[@mrmuffin3928]

Loosening gun laws after shootings is like removing the brakes in cars after an accident.

[@BrushyHat]

It boggles the mind.

[@ShoutingHarp]

Don't give them ideas

[@heatedwafflez5475]

Well I understand both sides of reason, unfortunately I don't know which policies are actually more effective at preventing such shootings. Red laws intend to arm more people and encourage self defense. Blue laws intend to restrict weapons to people and ensure only competent mentally sound receive guns. Blue certainly sounds very nice as stopping the shooting initially is ideal, however as I've stated I'm not really certain which policies are the most effective.

[@mrmuffin3928]

@@heatedwafflez5475 Its a numbers game: In Europe there are close to no shootings and there are very few guns in private hands. If you dont have a gun, you cannot shoot someone, so the fewer guns you have in total, the lower is the risk of shootings.

[@erik10030]

​@@mrmuffin3928 Alright, how would you go about removing 380 million guns from civilian ownership without causing a civil war?

[@kolonarulez5222]

Sounds like a vicious cycle at the expense of the vulnerable to me: nothing more American

[@DarrinSK]

then leave

[@mrbyzantine0528]

@@DarrinSK If only it were so easy.

[@akmo7766]

Clip up!! 🔥 with 🔥

[@matthewjones39]

If you’re so worried, why don’t you just leave? I’ve heard Venezuela is a great place to live.

[@DarrinSK]

@@Nirawen Not all change is good. The things you want to fight for and change are repulsive. It is a peaceful solution to vote with ones feet and allow diverse governance over areas. One size fits all is not a good approach for any product you wish to be good.

[@Galactipod]

7:38 This graphic looks pretty but it's difficult to tell which hexagon represents which state.

[@argustaveras6391]

@Vox

[@atlas2296]

Why is it cheaper and easier to get an AR-15 rifle than it is to spend 2 days in the hospital for a broken leg? Why is it cheaper and easier to get an AR-15 than an education? Why is it cheaper and easier to get an AR-15 than access to hospitals which will take care of the bullet wounds caused by those AR-15s?

[@UHOH3300]

Because the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

[@atlas2296]

@@UHOH3300 The right to Life and the Pursuit of Happiness is also not to be infringed but I guess that gets overshadowed by someone needing a lethal weapon capable of killing a person with a single shot

[@callmeconvay7977]

@@UHOH3300 The 2nd amendment is not more powerful than rights to health and safety.

[@napoleonbonaparte9222]

Canada and Australia exists, move there

[@callmeconvay7977]

@@napoleonbonaparte9222 ah yes. "It's bad here, so let's run away" is always a good idea. It definitely solves the problems.

[@CO-vt1jb]

Come on.. The politicians DON'T CARE... why can't people just understand that? Not rocket science.

[@or3325]

So other than saying that, what is your suggestion or insight? How do you make them care? I feel like people resort to such statements too frequently, often when they have nothing more thoughtful to say...

[@adaptablerubenvideos3097]

True, It has been proven many times in history that they don’t server the people needs most of the time

[@CO-vt1jb]

@@adaptablerubenvideos3097 Exactly, and the democracy don't seem to work at all, so many are crying for stricter gun laws and then there's the republicans doing the complete opposite. Also seeing a big number of Americans leaving the US for Europe right now.

[@SinisterMud]

Well if one party is massively sponsored by the NRA, they aren’t allowed to care. Whatever the other party may try to oppose, it won’t work. The US is stuck!

[@nitika9769]

@@or3325 i agree with u

[@janoshorvath6676]

Problem isn't the guns it's the people.

[@intheskatepark]

yeah, it is. i feel bad because the majority of gun owners don’t plan on hurting anyone besides self defense.

[@naz6james570]

@@intheskatepark see?? This kind of people is the problem. You really need gun for self defense?? The fact that your law allow killing others for self defense is considered as an act of justice is the problem.

[@tylerweeks1335]

It’s that or wait for the cops to come. You need to protect you love ones if need be from harm dude.

[@TankheadGurko]

​@naz6james570 bro what? Tf are you supposed to do if someone is trying to harm you? Try to hug them?

[@DodgeThatAttack]

So maybe stop giving those people guns???

[@orbitalpotato9940]

The truth is that based on multiple studies, 90% of the population aka the working class, has negligible impact on what legislations get passed. Only the rich get a say in lawmaking.

[@taintedlogicng6985]

I'm genuinely curious. Can you link me to those studies, please?

[@Gurusum6]

Citation?

[@ukaszglinski2687]

@@taintedlogicng6985 He is not wrong. Basically that's the way that democracy works when every dish on the menu is rotten and mouldy. When there is no public control over what government and institutions do, it ends up in a monopoly, where when you have money, you have direct or indirect power over legislation and regulations.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

@@Gurusum6 Page, B., Gilens, M. (2014). Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

@@taintedlogicng6985 Page, B., Gilens, M. (2014). Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens.

[@mlgcactus1035]

Responding against violence with more violence. That is how the cycle continues, and why it will never end.

[@ulthanesmorkums]

That's kinda how it works with common sense. Someone has a weapon, you want that same weapon to defend yourself.

[@NolanB.]

​@@ulthanesmorkumsim sure children will definitely defend themselves with guns

[@ulthanesmorkums]

@NolanB. School resource officers would be the ones defending. Use your brain.

[@NolanB.]

@@ulthanesmorkums and how has that worked out

[@ulthanesmorkums]

@NolanB. Actually, well, when you look at the Appalachee shooting.

[@buhle7651]

I have a question. I'm not from the US, I'm from south africa. In my country, if a law is passed, it applies to the entire country which is about 9 "states"/provinces. I've seen that different states in the US have different sets of rules/laws. Why? Is it because the US is so massive or is it more political (like an aftereffects of the Civil war)?

[@buhle7651]

@Exculpatory Shōgun ok that's interesting. Thank you for your reply ❤

[@joeiborowski9763]

@@buhle7651 That was the uncompromising condition that the 13 original colonies agreed to so that they can to band together against the British or this country would not exist.

[@Hisnitch]

The short version is that the federal government has their own rules and laws that applies to the entire country. Sometimes, though, laws or rights don't happen to exist under the federal government, which is kind of a holdover back from when the Consitition was first being formed as a way to stop states from getting too uppity. This probably would had caused uh.... issues, and made the Consititution a bit too ironclad. As a response, a dude named John Adams wrote up 10 amendments as a way to ensure that the Consitituion was very mutable instead immutable. Of importance in this case is the 9th and the 10th here. The 9th Amendment states that any rights, laws, or privallages that isn't covered by the federal government is undeniably a right guartneed by the people and by the state unless stated otherwise, and the 10th states that the Consitiution isn't a immutable document and that the 10th exists entirely so that more rights can be either given or taken constitionally, which is exactly why slavery except under imprisonment isn't illegal anymore and how the entirety of Prohibition happened. TL;DR: The 9th Amendment makes it so that people can have whatever rights the feds don't cover unless the states decide to cover it, and the states can have whatever rights they want unless those rights are covered by the Feds.

[@1ntr0spect98]

basically theres federal laws that apply to all states, but states can create additional laws, as long as they dont conflict with any federal laws

[@RGC_animation]

Yeah, that is why people in the US care much more about which state a person came from than basically any other country.

[@indridcold8433]

I sure am glad that the criminals will obey these new laws. Why do Americans want more government?

[@firstnamelastname442]

yeah it’s kinda hard to not obey the background check law

[@circleman9647]

​@@firstnamelastname442when someone plans a mass shooting, chances are they're not planning to come out of it alive. So although drastically more expensive they're going to illegally acquire a gun, which don't require background checks as you can probably guess. Gun laws only affect law abiding citizens.

[@tyrian_baal]

Chicago is a great example of how effective gun laws are! Im very certain they have no gun crimes at all!

[@whatsamazing1531]

I know!!! Thank god they don’t have constitutional carry… I’m sure everyone carry guns in Chicago have the proper permits!!!

[@Entropy106]

@@whatsamazing1531I’m almost certain it’s one of the safest, most god-fearing cities in the US!!!

[@Thatdude_Nik]

Yeah, it's not like interstate gun traffickers take advantage of red states with constitutional carry laws to easily buy guns there in bulk and sell them to criminals in Chicago, right? And republicans and the NRA want to keep their mouths shut about that because they profit off of that?

[@tomdavies6443]

Are you saying that gun violence has increased as red States have increased people's access to guns? Regards from a Tom :)

[@avreve]

in middle and high school we, or at least i have to: -have clear or mesh backpacks -go through a metal detector to enter campus -have my backpack searched

[@uranioenriquecido1]

As a European, I cannot understand your country

[@myboysd5772]

@Exculpatory Shōgun Im sure you dont, theres quite a few countries here.

[@birbcat1264]

As an American, I can’t understand my country either

[@playernotfound9489]

yeah. we are different from britan

[@PartyRockerOG]

and i hope yall never do eituer

[@MooseOsauras]

It's because it's in our constitution right to bear arms just do research

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

Laws get more lax due to the fact that this is a country based on the individual not the collective.

[@ratofvengence]

And the individuals don't care how many other individuals get slaughtered.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

@@ratofvengence Don't care? I suppose it has nothing to do with the curtailing of rights with proposed security.

[@ratofvengence]

@@1911GreaterThanALL 'Proposed' security? Lol, EVERY other 1st world nation is FAR safer; but you know this. Several of those nations outrank the US in EVERY freedom index; but you know this also. You just don't care. Any excuse.

[@noahsawyer7155]

@@ratofvengencego play with your toy soldier

[@default3740]

​@@noahsawyer7155why would he play with you?

[@Normalcoder3881]

If only politicians could agree on something

[@DireAvenger001]

I hope one day they can all agree that you have an individual right to keep and bear arms, outside the context of a militia. Seems enough politicians still deny the opinion of DC v Heller

[@squeaksquawk4255]

They can! Every politician agrees that the other side is wrong!

[@marc-andreservant201]

Politicians on both sides agree that Super PACs and lobby groups are good for the nation. The more money they spend, the better.

[@BambiTrout]

They all agree that the working-class public are a nuisance to be ignored

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@BambiTrout and that the military budget can always go up but there isn't a single penny for the people

[@robstevens2153]

We shouldn't have strong opinions without examining data. Data could show: - Do red states have more or less mass shooting deaths per capita and why? - Are some weapons excessive for self defense and if so, does this statistically lead to negative outcomes? - What is statistically safer: open carry, concealed carry with/without permit, no carry? This would answer questions like: How many heroes have there been vs normally rational gun owners losing their temper? How effective is open carry at acting as a deterrent to would be criminals? Does permitting/registration make us more accountable as gun owners?

[@gunslinginleftist]

I'm pro-2A, and while I do support open carry, I do not recommend it. You don't want to let bad people know that you are armed, because you will almost always be at what's called an "initiative deficit."

[@cheeseisgud7311]

Welcome back!

[@yellobanana6456]

Wish I wasnt back 😅

[@charliewenthe4411]

just wait till you hear that cannons are legal

[@maxmuenchow]

Are they illegal? You could probably own a cannon as garden decoration

[@crouchbar]

Spears, throwing stars, and butterfly knives:

[@CVasqueezy]

Wonder if Scott found his wife faster than the entire Uvalde PD took to take down their target? 🤔

[@Primo_extracts]

I feel for those people all of these disasters could've been avoided

[@achaean7615]

Yeah they could have, arm the teachers and other staff, increase funding to police forces and enforce stricter laws on violent crime, most fatalities caused by firearms are suicides, most murders are between gang members.

[@tylerhackner9731]

This country is on an ever downward trajectory

[@DarrinSK]

downward and leftward.

[@akmo7766]

People always say that! Not really tho. Go outside speak with your neighbors. It's a few sick individuals that make it look bad for the rest of us. Then News outlets like these highlighting only the bad. Never the good!

[@dulguunjargal1199]

@@DarrinSK Going Bad and Evolving Backwards

[@sovietunion5700]

@@DarrinSK "Progress is only good when in benefits me" "Okay, what about universal healthcare?" "REEEEEEEEE"

[@aturchomicz821]

@@sovietunion5700 Democratic Socialism would benefit everyone eventually, if only there never was a red scare...

[@jack_3.5mm]

I've never seen a gun in my life, greetings from Europe 👋

[@Absolute_Joker]

Greetings from the US of A 🇺🇸

[@RonSafreed]

In 1774, 250 years ago, England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!! attempted gun confiscation by the English army in April 1775 started that 8-year war for American independence & England almost won that War!! Then England came back for the War of 1812-1815 burned Wash. D.C.

[@Levo.22]

Thank God i do not live in the US

[@leamon_3]

Better not be a brit

[@humanentity5890]

We're also thankful you're not here!

[@MartinMary-c2n]

Me also

[@Pellowwwmmnm]

Some people just never learn from their mistakes

[@Aci_yt]

If someone breaks into your home and it's easy to get guns, both of you probably have one. If it's hard to gets guns, both of you probably don't have one. I'd much rather be in a scenario with no guns.

[@duckman2480]

If someone breaks into your home and it’s hard to get guns you don’t have one because you are a law abiding citizen but the person who is breaking in your home does because they don’t care about the law

[@Aci_yt]

@@duckman2480 I didn't say it's illegal, I said hard to get. The person simply wouldn't be able to get one if they've had run-ins with the law before, which is likely for a burglar.

[@flazerrazer2992]

@@Aci_yt have you heard of a luty incase you havent its a 9mm smg that can be made at home I would google and tell you the exact tools needed but I dont think I should google something almost the same as "how to make a gun" also there is always going to be a way to illegally get guns whether it be to make 1, smuggle 1 in, or to buy 1 off someone who got it the other ways

[@Aci_yt]

@@flazerrazer2992 True, but the likelihood is way smaller.

[@eternal-z2h]

same

[@Cptn.Viridian]

I'm going to say it; We don't have a gun problem, we have a *LIVING IN A DEPRESSING BLEAK DYSTOPIA* problem. Yes, there are some gun laws we should implement, particularly more intense screening and training. But if you want to take gun violence (and violence in general), down a few notches, tackle the crisis that living in this country is. Look, I live in the same depressing cost of living, unlivable wage, monopolistic corporation controlled, and ineptly governed world you do, and I don't take to the streets with a few pounds of iron... *BUT TAKING A LOOK OUTSIDE IT'S NOT FREAKING HARD TO SEE WHY SOMEONE WOULD* TL;DR Violence will always be a problem when the future and present look as bleak as they do.

[@VoidHugger]

Violence is the underlying problem, but think of it this way Climate Change is the underlying problem for increased flooding, but that doesn't mean you stop putting up sandbags. You can combat the effects of the cause while also trying to combat the cause.

[@kapabahcaravan6378]

yes, we need more socialized healthcare and mental healthcare. Guns per family have been the same since the 70's, crime has risen since the 1990's. The widespread coverage of violence and the lack of mental help is what i believe is a cause of this. I'm very pro-gun and i want to see the end of this violence. but i think we need to address people side of it. We need to help those kids who feel the need to do thee crimes.

[@baobei9231]

It's the "people would find a way to buy guns anyways" mindset thats the problem. In Anxiety therapy we call this "Avoidance".

[@rcdrury1]

It's not a problem, it's reality; and a totally inescapable one. A free and well-armed populace is the solution.

[@baobei9231]

@@rcdrury1 being reality doesn't change the fact that it's a problem tho

[@baobei9231]

@@rcdrury1 also no. The solution is a gun-free population all tothether. Police and hunters are another thing. As you can see in europe, no guns means significantly less shootings

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@baobei9231 no, then you just get people driving trucks through crowds, bombings, mass stabbings, chemical attacks, the difference is even defending yourself even while unarmed is seen as a crime in most of Europe.

[@thebrsrkr6428]

@@baobei9231 Yes, less SHOOTINGS, but the same DEATHS. They jsut don't use guns to do it, the result is the same. Almost like the tool isn't the problem here.

[@Axi-Sol]

It’s because they’re trying the wrong kind of gun control. They shouldn’t be banning individual weapons or attachments, we just need to be more vigilant in who is able to buy them

[@varyolla435]

How about some history. In the early 1980's gun violence exploded - as a result of the burgeoning drug trade and gang violence. By the late-80's laws like "3 Strikes" and more aggressive interdiction on the part of the Federal government saw a rise in incarceration. By the mid-90's - when the Brady Law was passed = gun violence was already declining as gang members were incarcerated and drug use began to drop. Fast-Forward a few years. Post 9/11 the US Government all but abandoned drug interdiction instead focusing upon anti-terrorism. By 2005 the US saw a rise in illegal drug use as drug cartels - seeing little resistance as the government was more interested in terrorism = began to fill the void. Concurrently with an increase in the drug trade and widespread opiate addiction the US saw a corresponding rise in gun violence - just as happened in the 1980's. "Cause & Effect" folks. Much of the gun violence is secondary to drugs while by 2005 onwards people incarcerated previously were beginning to get out of prison and back onto the streets to fill the legion of new addicts. Want to reduce gun violence = address what drives it. This is a lot more than an access to firearms issue. Think about it.

[@theannoynggamerlovestheusa2566]

we cant just blame guns

[@LutraLovegood]

@@theannoynggamerlovestheusa2566 Guns don't shoot bullets, drugs do.

[@BrandensOutdoorChannel]

Criminals don't care about laws or your feelings.

[@Venturai]

And facts don't care about yours.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

They do care about difficulty though/

[@cicalinarrot]

Conservatives be like "Think of the children"

[@Godjbehdk]

Absolutely depressing to watch this after what happened in Nashville this week. But the only way to change the reality is to keep bringing it up, speaking up, and discussing it.

[@cullenfarran3750]

That Princeton study said public opinion has a non significant, statistically near zero impact on whether or not a policy becomes law.

[@cullenfarran3750]

30% chance of becoming law either way. Only the top 10% of income earners effect that chance

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

Gun grabbers need all the help they can get. Stop putting down their efforts and bow your head and lick the boot.

[@warriorgirl126]

While I feel bad for the Susanna woman who’s parents were shot at Luby’s studies have shown that unless you’re a professional that regularly trains to take down shooter being armed doesn’t mean you could take out the shooter. In fact if she was armed it is more likely she would have shot a bystander, been shot by the shooter or been shot by police. But her “belief” is shared by so many people

[@TheBuffNerd92]

Being armed doesn't mean you can take out the shooter. But being armed gives you a much better chance of doing so. Just like we saw with the hero at the Greenwood Mall

[@0h0h0h0]

@@TheBuffNerd92 Yeah but this argument forgets that if there's no guns it is highly unlikely that there will be a shooter in the first place...

[@unalloyedbee8691]

@@0h0h0h0 What you stated is impossible in the US, and even if we get the ATF to rob us of our guns, we, the law abiding citizens won’t be able to defend ourselves from those who illegally obtain guns. A preview of this is in California (which has the most gun regulations out of all 50 states), where the most mass shootings occur in the US as of 2022.

[@poolmonkey7479]

🤣

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii2458]

So that good guys with guns can help people. That literally happened recently, but y'all don't want to talk about that.

[@typical8915]

Do you really wanna live in a world where shootouts happen out of nowhere? What is this the purge? It is just ridiculous, you cant fight fire with fire man.

[@gonnacry442]

Love when Americans defend violence and guns despite how catastrophic it has caused a lot of people. Most American thing they can do lol.

[@HappyGuy-cn9po]

We don’t defend violence. We defend the right to open carry whatever we want so we can deter criminals who don’t adhere to gun laws.

[@RonSafreed]

In 1774, 250 years ago, England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!! Attempted gun confiscation by the English army in April 1775 started that 8-year war for American independence & England almost won that war!! England came back for the War of 1812-15 burned Wash. D.C.!!

[@andrewpeppin4769]

Fun fact (note sarcasm): A recent investigation where I live has linked 85% of guns used to commit crimes in Ontario Canada has been directly linked to smugglers who legally purchased them in Texas.

[@talleywa5772]

Almost like criminals don't care about laws. Imagine that.

[@technolus5742]

@@talleywa5772 Among experts there's a consensus that more guns do not promote more safety, but they promote more violent assaults. Yet, there's still such deeply ignorant gun mentality, in most part due to efforts from gun lobbies promoting misinformation about the subject and laws that are counterproducent. It's very sad.

[@talleywa5772]

@@technolus5742 and do bare in mind that "experts" aren't always right just because they're experts. We had experts telling us a thin piece of cloth offered the same protection as a fitted and filtered ventilated mask.

[@technolus5742]

@@talleywa5772 Experts are the people who are most informed, and it«s not one or two, its the experts in general having this position. They are saying that having more guns is bad, rather than good. If you're going to against the people who are best informed, you're going with losing odds for no reason. Anyway the most informed people are saying that guns overall make things worse rather than protecting us. And regarding masks: what happens is that filtration systems are way more effective when dealing with **very small particles,** but covid tends to spread through **bigger droplets**, against which even a simple cloth is much more similarly effective.

[@penitent2401]

And in Mexico and further south, drugs cartels are legally buying guns by truck loads in the US and smuggling them back to them via same drug smuggling channels. Go in with drugs, come back with guns, to the point that they out gun the local military making them undefeatable. The Taliban and many middle east terrorist groups are also reliant on legally buying US weapons, they already got tons from what was left behind by US forces but to maintain and repair or replace and upgrade they need constant source of supply. And they are already using and trained and experienced with the US's weapons, and US supply is far cheaper and delivery and distribution systems more reliable then anything else.

[@mureithikivuti]

Scott just sitting there silently looking so fed up with all this!!! I think he is a whole mood representing how gun abolitionists feel

[@boxeswithfoxes]

Nah hes fed up with having to protest for anti gun laws like can they just tighten it already?

[@mureithikivuti]

@@boxeswithfoxes IKR 😂😂

[@real_Tyles]

People who are going to commit these mass shootings will find a gun legal or not. All this would do is take gun away from responsible people who have every right to own one.

[@EgansChannel]

Most gun crime is done on a whim and would be easily stopped if guns weren’t so accessible, which is why red states have more gun violence relative to population

[@joshuaoverlord5327]

@@EgansChannel and what exactly is stopping a person from making their own firearm or buying an illegal one

[@vericbasilio]

@joshuaoverlord5327 and what exactly is stopping a person to drink and drive. Or don't wear a seatbelt or obey all laws, in fact if you disbelieve laws can't stop people from getting guns and more guns are the solution to stop gun crimes than why countries that low gun crimes contradiction your statement. And also the fact you have to build your gun from scratch proves that gun laws work. Prime example, japan who only have the strictest gun laws in the world and between 2012-2021 only have 153 deaths from gun related crime. Vs US 3x that number this year of 2023 people died from gun violence 459.

[@Gon5i]

Historians will give the period of surging mass shootings in the US a name.

[@talleywa5772]

"the failure of gun legislation."

[@Somerandomturkie]

​@talleywa5772 "the failure of misinformation" ((Criminals don't follow laws

[@PeterBoardman1]

Education is the key. In general, America needs better education for all Americans. This whole thing is just so sad. When will you wake up America?

[@TACTICALwaffle2]

Exactly we all need to learn to respect guns. I was taught proper firearm safety at 8 years old. Schools should have mandatory rifle safety and proficiency classes

[@jarodh-m6099]

Education is controlled by the states. The same political divide is replicated in state policies about what is required in public school education.

[@aarongoossable]

Soooooo are we just not going to talk about how some of the places that have the strictest gun laws have the highest rate of violent crime and how all of these shootings take place in “gun free zones”???

[@analcommando1124]

You mean like Chicago? And you do realize that most guns used in shootings in Chicago are bought outside of Chicago and something like 40% are bought just across the border in Indiana where buying a gun is easier than buying a candy bar? Gun laws are only effective if every state has the same, tough gun laws.

[@patapelo]

a gun free zone isn't gonna do anything if you can drive a couple hours get a gun and come back

[@aarongoossable]

@@patapelo my point exactly. They broke the law to get them right???? What’s going to stop criminals from finding other ways to bring them in?? If laws worked so well at preventing criminals from committing crimes, why do we still have. Horrible drug problem in the United States. Meth is federally illegal and yet it’s one of the most common drugs found

[@patapelo]

@@aarongoossable it's still gonna happen yes, but it's gonna happen much less because it's gonna be much harder to acquire a firearm. most criminals don't even have the knowledge needed to even start the process of smuggling illegal contraband into the country and its too much of a risk for something illegal which you probably won't use

[@KaraKubed]

Chicago isn’t even top fifty in gun murders per capita

[@navinadv]

This is plain weird, every American (from NY, MI, CA, PA, IL etc) I meet or know says they are in favour of stricter laws including banning all “assault rifles”, high capacity magazines, etc. Yet, year after year, all I see are more and more “mass killings” in schools, malls, churches, concerts etc. How come the people who all seem to want much stricter control can’t elect representatives that will implement their wish?

[@ej_22]

being from mi , i don't support baning assault rifle or high capacity. what your definition of "assault rifle".

[@johncena-hq1ti]

Wrong. I know tons of people opposed to it

[@navinadv]

@@ej_22 to be honest I don’t know. I don’t know much about firearms or legislation. My conversations have been casual, mostly with my college classmates. I live in a country where the general populace feels quite safe even if no one owns a firearm. In fact where I live many in the law enforcement also do not carry firearms unless you include the wooden stick they carry as one. I don’t have data, but if media is to be believed “mass killings” in schools, churches, malls, etc have steadily increased in the US and I would hope the American people do something about it much like they (MADD) did with Drinking and Driving.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

So you met blue Americans from blue states and think they represent everyone? Well donen

[@navinadv]

@@AdamSmith-gs2dv I didn’t specifically look for blue or red Americans. It’s just one person’s experience. I was after all only visiting the United States. What I can say with some certainty is that many of us living outside the United States, haven’t yet understood the fascination some Americans have with guns and why it’s just a divisive topic in America. The little that I have read about these random shootings is that every year the numbers are increasing. One would think, the people would want to see these numbers reduce and expect / demand their representatives to come up with a solution.

[@DasMonke]

We just need police to be better. Uvalde was a complete fail. The fact that it is in a school makes it worse especially considering that children can’t conceal carry.

[@simondahl5437]

Unless you want like half of the population to be trained law enforcement personnel than that won’t work at all.

[@DasMonke]

@@simondahl5437 I mean the response time isn’t fast enough and police officers are hesitant to stop a shooter. They can be trained, even a small improvement would save lives.

[@simondahl5437]

@@DasMonke. Yes but wouldn’t solve the problem.

[@DasMonke]

@@simondahl5437 what are you suggesting?

[@simondahl5437]

@@DasMonke. I haven’t suggested anything, I’m just pointing out that that wouldn’t work. But if I were I’d suggest a total ban on firearms.

[@americanmade422]

Gun laws don't stop criminals. How about we start enforcing the laws on the books before punishing law abiding citizens.

[@philr22]

Jesus. Compare your gunlaws to other countries and their school shootings. Your nation is pretty much the only one with a massive school shooting problem.

[@kapabahcaravan6378]

we need more socialized healthcare and mental healthcare. Guns per family have been the same since the 70's, crime has risen since the 1990's. The widespread coverage of violence and the lack of mental help is what i believe is a cause of this. I'm very pro-gun and i want to see the end of this violence. but i think we need to address people side of it. We need to help those kids who feel the need to do thee crimes.

[@sebastiankolter]

The fact that lobbyism is so obvious and everyone knows it’s the only thing keeping guns around in the US amazes me

[@newalteriabroadcast4035]

when you have zero corruption because you call it lobbying

[@S1D3W1ND3R015]

Or because it's a fundamental constitutional right within The Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution. But no... it's because of lobbying like you said.

[@Dr.Percowski]

Uvalde happened because the school was an easy target. And the police cheif was less than cabable of being an effective on scene comander.

[@ProAvgeek6328]

Why is it so rare for good guys with guns to stop shootings?

[@buckmurdock2500]

It's not. You don't hear about it because the liberal media is not about to report on that.

[@BernardoPG]

​@@buckmurdock2500well when does the conservative media report on it?

[@buckmurdock2500]

@@BernardoPG every time it happens. Amazing what one can see when they are not blinded by politics.

[@BernardoPG]

@@buckmurdock2500 awesome can you show me this mountain of articles about it then?

[@buckmurdock2500]

@@BernardoPG lol, typical entitlement progressive/liberal. Always wanting someone else to do the work.

[@Westen_72]

What most people don’t take in consideration is that for people who live in remote areas like me , it would take the police 25 - 30 minutes to get to my house so having guns is the only self defense

[@user-zj5rb3xo7d]

They aren’t talking about the country folk they are talking about the people who live in the middle of like phoenix or something and have 40 different guns and open carry a rifle like in a normal world like i live in I don’t have to be equipped like a MP everytime o go to the store yeah have a rifle at home locked up incase i need it but i would never need it outside my property

[@marteumar8429]

@@user-zj5rb3xo7das they should since Americans decided to go easy on thugs because most criminals have certain skin tone and democrats don’t want prisons to look to homogeneous cause that make them look bad…. The state decided not to handle criminals properly the people will.

[@Castigar48]

Your right i should get my conceal carry and more firearms bc theyre really awesome

[@vignotum132]

Is the area that unsafe? That’s a social problem then; people are less likely to commit crimes if they aren’t poor

[@kevinrichardson8859]

Even with police right on the campus with innocent students the students aren't safe...

[@some_guy441]

I own SEVERAL different types of firearms. They've never killed anyone. Hmm, I guess they have a responsible, decent person as an owner. Imagine that....

[@biggusdickus2691]

Now consider it fit that the "responsibility and decency" of a firearm owner could actually be measured through a parameter of government regulations. Isn't it better if owning firearms would only be allowed for a "responsible, and decent person" like you?

[@thebrsrkr6428]

@@biggusdickus2691 As determined by who? The state? The very institution who would not want you to have it?

[@some_guy441]

I mean, if you live in America, it is your right to own one if you wish. AND only if you pass the State and Federal background checks like I did. The problem is that criminals don't care about laws... they will own guns regardless. That's why we should all own them. At least bad people will think twice about shooting a place up if everyone had a gun on them and could return fire. There would be a lot less gun violence if people were afraid of getting shot themselves. I think

[@1Animeculture]

By loosening gunlaws you also loosen the gunlaws for those who wants to abuse them.. and i ask you, who shoots first? The shooter? Or the "good guy with a gun". Its almost allways the shooter so by that logic alone it would be easy to measure that loosened gunlaws = more casualties.

[@staidenofanarchy]

I'd have to find a source for where I read it, but even CC holders only have about a 25% chance of even being able to get a shot off on an attacker, cause you're reacting to someone else.

[@phoenixblanco3892]

Amazing how people can act like more guns means more deaths in a country with more guns than people.

[@newwaveinfantry8362]

@@staidenofanarchy People who carry guns legally are four times less likely to commit a crime than even off duty cops.

[@luongmaihunggia]

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[@reyrosales3623]

Which is why we have to protect our rights

[@johanneskingma]

Obviously in a county that has a surplus of guns needs more guns to protect. The genie is out of the bottle long ago.

[@KBoon]

You can measure someone's true stance on firearm ownership by how much energy they devote to wanting to restrict guns in the US, while simultaneously not devoting any energy whatsoever in calling for the relaxing of gun laws in other countries where they are far too restricted. It only goes one way, doesn't it?

[@davidevans916]

Staggering isn’t it, makes you wonder what needs to happen.

[@Mizinstuf]

How is the US still thinking to solve the gun problems by letting more people to be allowed to have guns? 🤔

[@CoryHatfield]

Because there is no "gun problem". Guns do nothing without an operator.

[@BanjoZZZ]

This year alone CA has a SURPLUS of $97,000,000,000 - 97 BILLION. That's enough to put three armed guards in every school in the U.S. for the next five years. It's almost as if politicians aren't trying to protect schools.

[@Tim-1234]

@@CoryHatfield you have more guns than people in the US and you have a mass shooting on average every week. There is a gun problem in the US. No other country has that many mass shootings, even countries like india and China with way more people dont have that many.

[@CoryHatfield]

@@Tim-1234 do these guns act on their own accord?

[@thylacinefan]

@@CoryHatfield and an operator can’t shoot without a gun

[@sterlingsimmons2935]

For everyone that lives outside of the US, a lot of Americans also don't understand the gun obsessed culture here. There are people in our state governments who have so much power, and they overrule public opinion on gun legislation all the time.

[@iqbalindaryono8984]

The people *NEED* something to balance the power dynamic between the state and the people. When the government can do whatever it wants, then you'll get what the CCP did to its people i.e. literally fencing people into their own homes, literally rounding up people based on their beliefs/culture and forcing them into "reeducation camps", and censoring the living daylights out of everything. It would be better if the people has a government, but the people doesn't need them and they should always remember it. What the US need is to cultivate a healthy and open community, a community that helps their fellow neighbors. A community that doesn't rely on the government to solve local disputes but could solve it themselves. The US has reached the point where a good chunk of its residence only cares about themselves and their inner circle, its community lacks the ability to foster a healthy relationship between its people. They are divided, no longer united

[@nobot6177]

“A lot of Americans also don’t understand the gun obsessed culture”. That’s the problem. You refuse to teach yourself and learn about firearms in the country with more firearms then people…. Then because you refuse to learn the facts or acknowledge truth instead you go off emotions and just decide guns are the problem. They aren’t.

[@KBoon]

And...it's supposed to be a good thing for those suit-wearing politicians to be allowed to have guns or armed guards with guns to keep THEM safe, but no guns for the common citizen (who passes a background check)? It's about power and control, not your safety. If it were, they'd disarm themselves too.

[@RO_BZ1]

I always feel somewhat that i have to be aware in school. Im in the 6th grade

[@jynxie17]

I emigrated here from a developing nation and I went to college. I remember being weirded out having to run active shooter drills. I had never seen a gun before in my life!

[@pigroachphil8719]

How brave! Congratulations! You want a participation award?

[@TheInvisibleOrange26]

That’s also a big problem for accidents people don’t know anything about we need to people to learn how to treat them

[@AleksanderKazecki]

I'd really like to know why the laws that would forbid potentially dangerous people or people without a license from carrying a gun are met with disapproval. If someone only wants a gun to protect themselves, they should have no problem with this.

[@HappyGuy-cn9po]

Facts.

[@opinse]

Okay. I get why you would want that, but that is very hard to do realistically. Most mass shooters but not all, bought the gun legally and followed all of the current laws. That would potentially make law-abiding citizens work harder to carry a gun legally (where constitutional carry isn't recognized). Remember that carrying guns is built into the constitution, and not a privilege.

[@althouse104]

Everyone agrees on that principal. But it's an issue of how you define "dangerous." States could use that as a blank check to slowly remove firearms from anyone they disagree with or just slowly remove firearms from the populace in general. Nobody wants guns in the hands of dangerous people, but being "dangerous" is as simple as someone in a position of power labeling you as such. Regardless of whether it's true or not.

[@cpufreak101]

The problem generally comes from the strict interpretation of the 2A of the right to own a firearm not being infringeable. If the proposed regulation would in any way inconvenience a legal gun owner, it's viewed as an "infringement". I've had people try to tell me an extremely easy to obtain shall issue carry permit is "a violation of your constitutional rights"

[@morgatron4639]

​@@cpufreak101I think you meant a "may issue" carry which was recently ruled unconstitutional because it was NOT extremely easy. Anti-gun jurisdictions had a long history of using the may-issue permitting regime to stall and deny the rights of their citizens unless it was someone who was deemed "important" enough to defend themselves. They were only extremely easy for wealthy politicians and businessmen to obtain, and disproportionately denied low income and minority populations their rights. Usually imposing expensive and hard to schedule professional training before ordinary people could defend themselves. The reason most restrictions are opposed by the gun community is because most of them have little to no effect on criminals while making life extremely difficult for law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves. No one wants dangerous people to have guns, but governments and law enforcement should not be able to arbitrarily declare someone dangerous without due process.

[@gregoryhill1639]

America and Russia are two sides of the same coin. Run by big businesses and puts money and power for the few over the majority. Backwards.

[@imperatormaximus8952]

And we Europeans are stuck between the two of them...