Why Vesper's Host Is The Hardest Dungeon To Solo Flawless In Destiny 2

[@acostco9921]

nothing will ever change my opinion that GOTD is still the worst solo flawless

[@Rainioss]

It is objectively the hardest dungeon to solo flawless, but I had infinitely more fun than I did trying to solo flawless Duality. People bitch about the bugs in this, and rightly so, but never once did I have ANYTHING NEAR as bad as insta wiping in the nightmare realm while clearly inside the fucking circle. Shit was infuriating.

[@bernardgaming7206]

idk scanner despawning randomly after 4 phases and forcing you to win the 1/4 on the panel rng or wipe sucks asssssss

[@deadmemes719]

Nah you’re real for that. I did that shit like 2 years ago, and it was genuinely my Joker moment. I even made a video of just the most foul deaths I incurred in that damn nightmare realm

[@exxy9931]

One of the many reasons why I will never bother trying to solo flawless Duality.

[@Rainioss]

@@deadmemes719 It got to where I wasn’t even thinking about it anymore, I was just in autopilot. like I wasn’t even playing Destiny to have fun anymore, I was just logging in every day and playing Duality by myself and expecting to die to a fucking bell out of my control until I finally beat it. Never again

[@Rainioss]

@@exxy9931 It’s genuinely not worth it, your chances of completing a run of it without dying to a bell are slim to none even if you do everything everyone says to do to avoid dying to them. I failed it over 20 times to deaths that were literally out of my control. Only 2 of my total attempts were user error/I just fucked up.

[@typhir5911]

One of the major issues I have with this dungeon is the visual clarity of the lightning strikes at the end is yellow on orange, which makes it nearly impossible for me to see it coming in the middle of a firefight and the damage ticks are so high that you can instantly die even if you are in the middle of regenerating health. I have even died while healing with a healing grenade, at max health but the lightning still instantly fries me before I get a chance to react. I have no issues with the actual lightning, but yellow on orange is terrible for visual indicators. They should have chosen a darker color to contrast. I'm sure more practice will make us all better and the community skill level will eventually adjust to match the dungeon, but the mechanical difficulty is starting to approach raid levels of absurdity. Warlord's Ruin was just about right with the level of mechanics to juggle during the boss fight, but here, it feels like they took it almost a bit too far with multiple mechanics required to even get to the final boss' damage phase and if you do even a single mechanic incorrectly, it is almost assuredly a wipe. Personally, I despise exploder enemies. It is a cheap gimmick. I have died to explosions from shanks, laser traps, and supplicants too many times to count and not just in dungeons. Even in the Legendary Campaign for The Final Shape, the hardest part for me was that one room with all the silly laser traps and exploding shanks. The Witness in the campaign was easy in comparison.

[@fissilepear7805]

I agree, the lightning strikes are also wildly inconsistent due to jank code. I have been multiple meters away from a strike and still insta-died due to the net code lagging from so much going on. Additionally, Vesper's host is the one dungeon I have felt required to use a mic in. Every previous dungeon at most I've had to communicate in text chat a couple times to clarify with teammates. With Vesper's I have to be in constant communication with my teammates in order to complete the mechanics which is especially true for the final encounter. If I want to play a raid I will play DSC, I've always felt dungeons shouldn't require that level of communication and that dungeons should challenge you more dps and intuition wise rather than mechanic wise. Despite this, I do like Vesper's I just feel like its mechanics fit better with something like a raid lair rather than a dungeon. Regarding exploder enemies in the dungeon, the only time I've felt it was a bit too much is with the servitor boss when it teleports you up into space. It feels like Bungie just spammed exploder shanks up there which isn't fun, it's annoying and takes away from that part of the encounter where you should be focusing on the tracer shanks nearby as well as completing the suppressor mechanic.

[@Jvggr]

I also struggled at first with the lasers, the main thing i learned over my solo experience(as brief as it was) Is that the lasers are SEMI random, they typically follow a couple to a dozen set patterns, the random part being the laser that lands ON TOP OF YOU. if you can make a mental note of the common laser spots and what pieces of cover you have, you can set yourself up to have your personal fuck you laser land the same place as a set spawn laser, and suddenly its like you were never targeted. Of course it wont be easy to learn because you have so much stressing you, but the easiest thing you can do to avoid the difficulty is just letting go. not giving up, but simply not worrying about the failures or being mad that you died. Let it get to you and you WILL be miserable. you dont need to be. I believe you can do it, itll just take time

[@WHlSKYtx]

Typed an entire paragraph just coping.

[@DaddyBigWong]

Eh shit is much harder trying to do that old gen as well stuck with shitty fov plus the colour palette 💀

[@dyscalculic]

I'm starting to see the effects of Bungie firing the accessibility folks. I have color blindness issues. The lightning strikes on the last encounter and reading the numbered servitors are both very difficult for me where soloing this may be harder than it needs to be. But it is good to know I'm not the only one having trouble with the colors, it appears to just be a general problem and not my color-blindness.

[@etcetera07]

In the final encounter, ATP has a great tip to use suppressor to break the radiation shields of the clones downstairs (but not kill them). That way you don't have to worry about radiation stacks while they chase you around.

[@Bestow3000]

I feel that's the least of anyone's worries when dps is the hardest part.

[@etcetera07]

There is the safe spot above the bunker people have been using. Also, after depositing the bomb, the bunker doors are open and you can do damage from the doorway and duck and out as needed.

[@Bestow3000]

@@etcetera07 Literally everyone knows that but when you're alone and not a Warlock it gets absolutely hellish. You've never done solo flawless haven't you?

[@etcetera07]

@@Bestow3000 Nope. But I will run warlock if I even try to solo it.

[@Jvggr]

@@Bestow3000 thats such a random hit at the dude, yeah everyone knows it. Why you gotta be aggressive about it? also, just because the dps is the hardest(i do agree on that) does NOT discredit the rest of the encounter and how hectic it is.

[@braydenj03]

4:16 you can also just kill the guy holding scanner, clear whatever room you're going into first, then go back kill another scanner guy and go back. The buff will despawn while you clear the room but when you go back it will spawn in the middle after a wave of enemies.

[@OneNubNinja]

Me, who has never done a solo flawless dungeon, thinking I can do this one first try

[@DrippyGarlicSauce]

To be fair, he makes it look easy

[@dentdon19]

To be fair, my first solo flawless was duality, which before Ghost of the Deep, was considered the hardest lol. Just have to find something that works for you. You got it honestly

[@rentedmule169]

​@pepjacklent There is nothing in the artifact this season even a fraction as good as Classy Restoration was during the Duality season. As a matter of fact this is probably the least helpful artifact there has ever been for solo dungeons.

[@MarcelLeonReal]

Nah you could get it done first try trust it's easy

[@ColdHxpe]

It was never 😂​@@dentdon19

[@federal5842]

I think Vespers test you differently from all dungeons. Ghosts is an endurance test that needs you to remember symbols and is long, but there are a lot of ads and you can stack buffs easily. Warlords is ad heavy, but you have stuff like restoration to counter it. The way Vespers is made is it restricts you from constantly running something like healing like in Warlords, but also isn't overwhelmingly long like Ghosts. It tests how safe you can play, by using super risky attacks, enemies etc that can kill you so quickly, and unforgiving mistakes. One of the most fun solo flawless' I've done, certainly the most challenging.

[@-Benja]

Theres so much that could go wrong in the boss fight and before the boss fight You could get trapped by ads and get stuck on radiation enemies The augment timers can kill you if you dont pay attention on top of everything else you gotta pay attention to If you go in the bomb shelter without dunking and forget to go get it again and start the op panels in next room then your automatically wiped The bomb in boss room gets stuck in the crevice and when you get on it you will get stuck trying to pick it up Theres so much that could go wrong you have to stay on top of everything!!!

[@maxnova9763]

I watched skarrow9 doing a solo flawless run yesterday. He had the boss down to a single dps phase. Played it mega safe. Then on the last room to activate the dps phase the bunker doors were open when they shouldn’t have been. He grabbed the scanner and accidentally dipped into the barrier removing the scanner. Popped super clutched it got the nuke. The radioactive clones pushed him to 9 and a millisecond before he could dunk it the nuke took him to 10 and wiped him. Absolute madness. No idea how he started over after that.

[@liamneves8293]

I really like this dungeon, I fell in love with it the first time I ran it with a group and it’s easily become my new favorite. However my issues lie with trying to run it solo flawlessly. I’ve ran into so many bugs and glitches within the dungeon that’s messed up my runs and has caused me to put my attempts on hold until they are addressed or fixed. I’ve had the operator vandel not spawn in the initial room in the puppeteer and had to wipe, I’ve had the ball not pick up even when the circle clearly shows I picked it up, scanned not dunking immediately and taking an extra second or two resulting in me getting overrun with radiation and dying, and many other things. Don’t even get me started with the lightning, I like the constant moving around but they are wayyyy to frequent and way to punishing. Plus they’re hard to see on with well or sun spots making dying to them even more annoying. I really want them to keep making dungeons like this but please try and get these types of bugs ironed out sooner.

[@weebster4778]

Vespers host was a really tough solo flawless but one of the best experiences

[@greenlukesky4615]

Excited to give it real attempts. I’ve been quite busy and given a few solo strats a go at the boss and have a strat im going to try, and hopefully won’t be too bad.

[@voidomable]

Said no one ever lol.

[@weebster4778]

@@voidomable 😭

[@arturresende3023]

I'm pretty sure we're all forgetting about those exploding moths jumpscares from gotd

[@Sodaextreme1]

I did it. Took a few attempts because of final. My initial strategy was grand overture with cuiruss which helped me clear contest. That failed bc no survivability. I tried solar titan and the cheese spot was too slow and I died to radiation. But then I swapped to anarchy and lost signal and kept farming transcendence and consecrating the clones as they spawned with thunder crash for dps. It was an easy 3-4 phase.

[@hudsonps4669]

Managed to solo it last week, though not flawlessly just yet. The final boss took me several hours over the weekend. For me, the hardest part, as you said, is the unpredictability. The only dungeon I soloed flawlessly before was Ghosts of the Deep, which the community considers hard-ish, but I had no issues due to exactly that - predictability. I know how to execute every step in the fight algorithmically, and 95% of the times things go according to the plan. I actually find the first boss there a bit harder than the second, because the space is much smaller, the knight sometimes can rush towards you, etc. With the wizard, if something doesn’t go well, you can always hide in the water areas and chill for a bit. Now Vesper’s Host, especially the final boss, has SO MUCH unpredictability. The radiation clones sometimes will relentlessly chase you into a corner. Scanning can be either pretty easy or pretty spicy. The lightning is indeed crazy and forces you to be on the move, and you still have to worry about clones, about getting the bomb, while potentially being rushed by clones if you didn’t manage to kill them. I once died because I got struck by lightning on the way to the bunker while carrying the ball! But I gotta admit, it’s a very fun and intense final encounter.

[@uzan6893]

My last solo flawless was duality because after it I lost my passion for solo flawless runs, but this one, this one I swear lit something in me, and I’m gonna do it on hunter similar to my old runs, but I’m just gonna wait for them to fix the bugs because I don’t mind the difficulty but being soft locked or something will ruin my experience.

[@notmerricks]

Just wanted to put out for my hunters trying to solo it; lost signal + indebted kindness + thunderlord on transcendence with celestial golden gun is a really easy to input strategy if the other strategies hasn’t worked for you.

[@pothly]

i’ve literally mastered everything in vesper except for the boss. every time i get to damage phase i either die extremely fast even with resto 2 or i do no damage and try to risk it for more.

[@maximumsoundlevel2726]

During final boss DPS, what limits healing in a lot of builds (especially on hunter) is the lack of red bar ads. Yes, there are puppets that you can kill, but those require a lot more dmg output to kill them to regen health / create orbs.

[@StatsReset]

First encounter you can just leave scanner on the floor, clear all 3 rooms and then go back and do it without time constraint

[@Icebelly_]

I’m proud to say I managed the solo flawless of the dungeon only 6 days after it launched and yeah, this dungeon was simply not a fun solo flawless and honestly I got it done more out of spite. Biggest issue I have is the visual tell of the lightning in the last encounter as it’s so hard to tell where strikes are at in the heat of the moment. It really doesn’t help that the ambient lighting is the same color so it blends together super easily. Just hope that going forward we look at scaling boss HP to fireteam size if the mechanics are going to be this punishing.

[@ForeverLaxx]

There are two major issues I have with soloing this dungeon. The first is that it really seems Bungie is stretching the definition of "soloable mechanics" about as far as they possibly can, leaving very little (and sometimes no) room for error or delays in execution. That leads into my second issue which is Bungie's general problems with AI pathing. There are so many broken platforms that the AI has problems navigating them. I can't tell you how many times I had to restart the first encounter because the Dregs would teleport around the platforms due to the game failing its viable pathing check over and over. I kid you not, I had a Dreg teleport behind me every time I turned to shoot it, wasting 15 seconds of my time and causing that run to fail due to not getting to store the Scanner buff in time. Even in the intro "encounter," the vandals holding the buff would just mysteriously teleport to the other side of the room despite there being no obstacles outside their spawn door. It's extremely frustrating to deal with this when you're on a strict timer and being peppered from all directions so you can't recover.

[@Shinybook51]

Strong breakdown, I think you put it quite well and really did a good job examining the specifics of how certain elements of encounter design contribute to overall difficulty. I do agree that this dungeon's solo flawless is by far the most punishing of any I've done, with it feeling almost like a raid at times. Bungie really knocked it out of the park with the combat challenge and I'm really excited for future dungeons now, more than I've ever been.

[@zerox4434]

In regards to mentioning the puppet clones and their radiation bs. There's 6 total when you drop down. If you kill 1 they re-spawn 10 seconds later. Like if some are inside the room when you do the purge they'll spawn some where else and eventually make their way towards you. If you keep moving they can't/won/t follow you. However, once you stop in one of the rooms to do mechanics they'll find you a bit faster. ATP did a guide and suggested to remove the radiation BUT do not kill them so they are basically harmless.

[@NJE-de8do]

For me this dungeon to solo flawless is probably the hardest but entirely because of the end boss. First and 2nd encounter are fairly free.

[@nbuzzkill]

Not one mention of ghost in 10 min invalidates this video

[@itztizzle]

ghosts is not difficult it's just very fucking boring. If you can do the mechanics without a lapse in judgment from boredom, it isn't that hard at all

[@nbuzzkill]

@@itztizzle the power creep has blinded you from combat difficulty. Nothing comes close to ghost’s incoming damage

[@nbuzzkill]

I do think vesper has a better balance in difficulty but judging mostly off mechanics is too one dimensional for proper validity

[@unleashedhero2225]

Random addition, I had a nuke during the final fight fall into a crack in the floor, so I was unable to pick it up. This caused a wipe as well. But it's only happened once (and of course it was on a solo flawless attempt)

[@LuminaD2]

I hope the next dungeon release is genuinely insane

[@evanshepherd7238]

I can for sure see why this is the moat difficult, but honestly, it doesnt really start getting ridiculously hard until the boss room, i can get to the boss room without dying comfortably just by using solar titan lorelei, i barely even shoot weapons uo until then because bonk titan is still ridiculously good at maintaining health, then the boss fight just rips that confidence away with inconsistent spawns, a crazy damage check, and random wipe mechanics, 1000% love soloing this dungeon, still working on my first flawless run

[@Nailfut]

As a Warlock main that has done all dungeons solo and a few of them flawless (PoH, Duality and GotD), even though I never cared for solo flawless because I "don't have the time in my everyday life", I can agree that Vesper is among the toughest to solo flawless but I actually find it almost a cakewalk to just get a solo run. I'll give you my strat: first step Prismatic Nova bomb with Bad Juju+Skull of dire Ahamkara and ball dupe cheese; second step, Rime-coat turret build, Nova bomb and Wardcliff Coil; final boss Star-eater/Necrotic exotic bond, Nova bomb and let Anarchy do the rest, easy easy three phase. These are the builds I found myself more comfortable with all throughout. I'm sure that, with some more practice, I could solo flawless it, as I've got to last boss with no deaths a bunch of times, yet I'll never try that because of the amount of glitchy bullshit I've experieced in my solo runs, IN. EACH. DAMNED. STEP. 1st encounter Operator and Scanner didn't work and I had to backtrack, enemies I already killed respawned and I had to redo the entire section. 2nd and 3rd encounters both softlocked me once: I reached Raneiks final stand, so the mini servitors were supposed to stay divided and be killed, yet the game decided that damage phase was over and the boss should reunite with the immunity shield, which resulted in me being unable to deal any damage to the mini servitors, since they were immune but they wouldn't reform the big boss and start another phase; final boss, after damage phase, I return to the main arena but Scanner is nowhere to be found, even though the game told me it spawned. It did, downstairs however! So all I could do was getting Operator and trying my luck shooting at one of the four numers. As I said, last boss damage phase is actually not that bad once you get into the flow or the dance. I tried Stag+Well in all weird spots to deal sustained damage with snipers or Grand Overture, yet I couldn't manage to stay alive, so I threw that stat away and decided I'd rely only on dot damage from Lost Signal+Anarchy, while being Transcendent and nuking the boss with usually 3 buffed Nova bombs per damage phase. Devour also works best here, even better than Resto x2, to my disbelief. To end this stream of consciousness: in a world post Resilience buff and Solar 3.0, Bungie has to come up with different types of challenges: something as stupid as dunking a ball in PoH could have been hard back in 2019, with all the enemies around, while now all that's needed is a healing grenade. Today, the same dungeon would definitely have a wipe mechanic if the three balls from the final boss's arena aren't dunked in a specific order/in the proper totem. Still, me, a fervid Solar Warlock, born a Sunsinger back in 2014, I found myself going for Devour instead of Resto x2 in Vesper's Host. My main gripes with the solo flawless run are the fact that the first boss will take you at least 4 damage phases if you're lucky, if you aren't on Titan, and then the fear of softlocks, since I've seen those with my own eyes. Timing is relative in this dugeon, compared to Duality and GotD, which I consider the hardest dungeons to solo and solo flawless. Even Warlord's Ruin was a toughest first experience for my solo runs, I died way more often and wiped so many damned times at 2nd step, which was a real test of patience with that stupid boss, tbh (I ended up doing that whole dungeon with Karnstein Armlets for constant Resto x2). Maybe the 10-ish hours me and my clanmates had to go through for the contest day one clear have strengthened me, so that's why I think this is a more chill dungeon to solo, compared to those other three I just mentioned, while solo flawless is definitely the most demanding for sure!

[@mortalexo103]

I've only done Prophecy and Grasp. Both took some serious focus. This one I don't even like with my fireteam. 😂

[@bilking1962]

As to this video... TIZZLE? You're SO right! I SWEAR this week the damn Vanguards were more difficult than the NIGHTFALL! It was nearly IMPOSSIBLE to die in standard NIGHTFALL. Compared to the Vanguard... I was fighting for life! Destiny has done it's work! I LOVE THIS GAME!

[@eyesite24]

Why is the first part of Vesper's Host so rough?....Really enjoyed your video because one thing that I really enjoy about Destiny is the challenge, mainly the solo dungeons. Great video.

[@nightismonochrome]

My gripe with this dungeon is just the near unavoidable damage during required interactions. Particularly when dividing the servitor, and also while dunking buffs in the red/blue room. Sure I can use suppressor through the wall or some tricky spot, but I doubt that's even intended. Running up to deposit buffs in red/blue, get sniped, get sniped twice while dunking, and ge sniped again while trying to get to cover. By then, I'm already in the red. 1-2 more snipes and I'm dead while the radiation boys are stepping all over me. All other dungeons I can run anything, but this dungeon feels HEAVILY tuned to try and "get you" with such things. Only other dungeon that really has this is Ghosts. Ecthar will pretty much 1 shot frisbee you the moment you start damage, so you better have something to nuke his shield to pull him out of super (arbalest), and grabbing deepsight during the final boss is almost suicide with the boss shooting at you. The explosive shanks I've figured out though. When they're killed normally, you'll survive an explosion. If they happen to "prime" before you kill them where they slow down a bit and beep louder, they'll self detonate the moment they're in range and 1 shot you, regardless if you land a killing blow or not. Solution is just turn around and sprint away while using the boxes for extra height if needed. Backpedaling with 100 mobility while jumping from ground level isn't going to save you. The shanks will then disarm and you can go back to shooting them. Edit: don't get me wrong, I find this dungeon to be a lot of fun, but the lethality of some portions are starting to feel very gimmicky. Much to the point where if you're not running something you're going to die. Dungeon's shouldn't be easy, but they shouldn't require certain abilities/equipment to be reasonably possible like a lock and key.

[@themaster21-lim]

feel like when i attempts sf on prophecy and duality when it was hard. practice until you get consistent result with your own or someone's else strat

[@Smudge-GB]

Got my solo flawless yesterday and the unleashed seal today! I really enjoyed the dungeon but I’m glad it’s over! Got a god roll gl as well, very lucky!

[@lukas753331]

The thing is, damage on pupeteer is not even a problem. There is a spot on the left side where you can pretty much hang like 90% of the damage phase and just deal dmg. The problem are those rooms below where you deal with inconsistent clones who deal radiation just for getting close to you. Its literal rng on steroids, because these guys have tendency of being random as fuck. One run they will just stay the fuck away from you, the other run you can barely get rid of them. Or they can run with you for no fucking reason whatsover with you entire time. I finished my solo flawless couple of days ago, and honestly I am glad that its behind me. Those "radiation" rooms are extremely stressful to the point where you know that you are gonna make a mistake sooner or later. The fewer the damage phases, the better, and even on solar titan with maxxed out stuff, arc surges and grand overture, you´re dealing with at least 4, realistically 5. Its hard, but in obnoxious way. Boss has way too much hp, even on contest(that I cleared), it was apparent that boss was tuned for 3 players - all of them doing everything right. I dont like this kind of design on dungeons. Keep that shit in raids.

[@daycejohnson]

It’s objectively hardest on hunter and it’s driving me CRAZY.

[@ibrahimalessa9364]

Surprised no mention of ghosts of the deep, it’s harder than duality for sure maybe close to vesper’s host in terms of difficulty if not harder. VH-GoD>WR>Duality>GoA>SoW>Prophecy>PoH>ST

[@jimmysuros6302]

Why do people say Spire of the Watcher is easy? I feel like Warlords ruin is easier than Spire... Ive soloed flawlessed Ghosts of the Deep (just binged a lot of youtube videos), duality (unironically was fun), and Warlords Ruin, but not Spire of the Watcher or Grasp of Avarice. Working on Vesper's host ATM. FInal Boss has too much health.....

[@LordBingShipley]

I really thought this would be a lot harder for me, managed to do it first try in about 2 hours

[@Rios-ov3xi]

I personally felt like this was one of the easier ones. I find the biggest obstacles for solo flawless runs are the random or nearly unfair things that kill you. Things like incinerator backpacks in duality, moths sneaking up in ghosts, and the tag raiders hitting you at 0 seconds in warlords. Most of the sources of deaths in this dungeon felt really identifiable to me, and I thought this dungeon felt really fair. Side note, I HATE HATE HATE HATE duality’s incinerator backpacks. I have had several flawless attempts back when it came out where I would die to the boss stomping a really difficult to see backpack that spawned from an incinerator during damage (meaning there’s not really time to clear them out). In general though, I abuse restoration and only struggle with insta-kills, which vespers doesn’t have very many that are hard to avoid.

[@itztizzle]

@@Rios-ov3xi destroy backpacks. Shoot moths after lining up symbols. Punch corrupted wraith and then avoid it. All of these may “seem” random ways to die. But believe me, they are not. I’ve solo flawlessed all those dungeon multiple times and you just have to manage those things, which is quite doable

[@Rios-ov3xi]

@@itztizzle I agree that it’s doable, I just found that there wasn’t anything I was pulling my hair out over in this dungeon, and I found it be a much more straightforward and fun experience and I quite enjoyed it. As for the backpacks, I always tried my best to clear them but just genuinely struggled to see the 6 backpacks from the incinerators during damage phase and died to them a lot, which was just not very fun for me. It definitely is just a skill issue, lol

[@nirifer7275]

Ball dropping off the map at first encounter(Pretty sure its a wipe if you can't dupe), Exploder shanks sneaking up to you in 2nd, 2nd encounter boss dropping bombs during dmg phase, dmg phase gets shafted because boss decided to split up late, Atraks-1 does not fucking miss, I've also had the utilities despawn (opp, scan, sup) while they were on me and no, I didn't hit a cleanse field. This dungeon is full of heinous acts. I haven't done duality yet , but I would rather solo flawless Ghosts three times again then do this bs.

[@eduardoportal5341]

⁠​⁠@@nirifer7275truly just a skill issue. This dungeon is mind numbingly easy. Ok like yes the ball can fall off the map I get that, it happened to me the first 2 times but after that it shouldn’t be an issue if it is one. And the shanks killing you shouldn’t be a problem either if u just kill them fast enough b4 they get close to you. The dps phase skipping cuz of the boss not splitting is honestly something that I never heard of or happened to me. In that case it’s probably because u took long to start it, which if u didn’t know taking too long to spilt the boss with suppressor skips over the dmg phase. Thus making u start over

[@nirifer7275]

@eduardoportal5341 I'm very aware of my shortcomings man you dont gotta remind me. Anyway, as for the servator splitting late, it only happened to me one time, but I use parasite for that boss, so I have no reason to pop the clone late. I dunk op, and I get tf in there. It started dropping the bombs and didn't split till after it was done. It turned my 4 phase into a 5 because i dropped a 20x before it split. I know that most stuff I listed can be overcome, but it gets to a point where it is not even hard, just very annoying and unfun imo. I don't think it's too much to ask if the game just functioned most of the time.

[@-CrankyBoy-]

I mean I can make it to DPS solo on titan without much trouble and staying alive isn't as bad as I thought it would be, its just the Health thats my issue. More HP means more phases and more chances for me to fuck up and lose my 45 min - 1 hr solo flawless run. Not that there's anything wrong with that, considering I've solo flawlessed most dungeons except GOTD and WR the week they came out.

[@ForeverLaxx]

Health bloat is a major problem. Bungie has the tools to scale content based on fireteam size so I don't know why they insist on leaving all the bosses at 3-player HP levels even when solo.

[@yodamf]

With the 'safe 3-phase warlock' strat in Estoerickk's clear I think this is easier to clear than Ghosts of the Deep. Opening encounter took too long in that one since you had to do the mechanics 4 times in a row... you had to read the Klingon symbols about a million times in the boss fights and messing that up could lead to wipes. Then the sheer number of phases you'd need on final, while clearing those 3 rooms over and over again. Goofy timing on the deepsight mechanic as well that could eventually get you in trouble. And I'd say the traversal is harder as well, jumping is probably about the same, not too terrible, but the traversal room with enemies right before final was a pain, I think I actually wiped in there a couple of times on solo flawless runs due to fatigue and being too lazy to swap to safer combat loadouts.... Meanwhile Vesper's host is very easy first encounter, quicker than GotD by any measure but waaaaay quicker if you get some ball dupes in (I'm very inconsistent at this point, seems like the timing is a lot tighter than say Liminality ball duping) Second boss is a pushover once you learn one of the damage strats. Exploder shanks can be dealt with just by going back and to the right and prioritizing them, they won't path through the far right so you just have to watch the mid and left gap. Ice turret buys you a lot of space, but just saving a nade or going prismatic on any class or just a decent weapon like a rocket sidearm will get it done. And if they manage to swarm you, just get jumping and aim for the far left where you will normall do your suppressor shenanigans and you should have no issue dealing with the rest of the shanks. Final boss might be harder if you're doing it 'legit', but cheesy titan and warlock makes DPS safe enough, and it's like 6 minutes for mechanics right now for me and DPS phase is like 4.... so 3 phase, 30 minutes. GotD final took me a lot longer. Easily over an hour. I'll say mechanics phase initially is harder in Vesper's but once you learn it and develop strats for the bottom rooms it's not that bad. My final verdict, a bit harder to learn, but a bit easier to clear. My GotD was 1h40 for solo flawless... I'm going to farm up some tonics (for GL reload boost) and do VH this weekend, I expect the solo flawless clear to be more like an hour and take fewer attempts, but we'll see. Famous last words.

[@cameronsalmon1314]

I feel like as a solo player, if you can last 4-5 damage phases and get optimal or just very slightly sub optimal damage phases, the boss should be dead. I really don’t like Bungie artificially making bosses more difficult by giving them more and more health. My issue with this dungeon is the same with GoTD, the bosses need to have their health scaled down when in solo play.

[@Undead115Phoenix]

They don't even need to do something as complicated as scaling hp to the number of players... Just bake in solo operative to the game, at all times. Solo flawlessing Dungeons aren't hard, they are just endurance gauntlets. I love soloing hard content but not if it takes half my day per attempt, that's not fun or hard, it's tedious.

[@Sin526]

"Having a proper build..." Aka crutching solar restoration like EVERY difficult activity in this entire game.

[@ForeverLaxx]

Unfortunately, just like with Raiding and Well of Radiance, Bungie is starting to build the game around an assumption that the player is going to be practically unkillable so they design encounters that require constant healing/invis to survive. This is the environment Bungie created.

[@omarlocke4351]

@@ForeverLaxxcorrection. the assumption is that the player will be on pc and unkillable.

[@cameronsalmon1314]

@@omarlocke4351PC? how is that any different from Console?

[@omarlocke4351]

@@cameronsalmon1314 pc players are almost invincible. it’s hard to die on pc

[@imwolf7819]

@@omarlocke4351 higher fps leads to more damage taken, it's easier to die on pc

[@Jvggr]

The hardest part of the dungeon is articulating WHY its hard, i have a feeling that this will nail it on the head. pretty much exactly it now that ive watched, here's my thoughts though: TLDR: there is no dungeon that has you juggling yourself between so many things while also under such intense pressure the hardest part of this dungeon compared to any other dungeon, strategic instant kills aside, is how many burning hoops you need to jump through. correct me if im wrong, but we have never had anything more than the 1 repeated mechanic to progress an encounter, let alone 2/3. IE duality only needing to worry about the timer or ghost of the deep's symbols you have to remember. Instead of the 1 mechanic, you have 2/3/4 1. Scanner, you have to run(on a timer) to scan panels out of the way, which can have pitfalls to get you, or 4 giant bosses that want to beat you up real bad. 2. suppressor, you now need to GIVE UP your grenade, a VITAL part of your kit(in most cases) to simply throw down a threaded specter to stun enemies. 3. Nukes and radiation, Suppressor taking you grenade was bad, how about YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT BACK? in the first encounter it may have a learning curve at first but the real issue is at final encounter. not only do you have to use scanner to find a specific clone to brawl with, you also have to temporarily give all means of fighting back to avoid fighting, worst case scenario you are already pretty hurt and need to hide, but you can't fight your way to safety otherwise you're dead. I could totally pick it apart some more but the point is there. there is no dungeon that has you juggling yourself between so many things while also under such intense pressure.

[@philnyethescienceguy438]

I don't think it's because the dps phase is difficult. My issue with the last few dungeons has been damage. Pit of Heresys boss can be 1 phased solo, and I was able to solo flawless that dungeon on my first try after not playing it in over a year. Vesper, and also Ghosts of the Deep, I find difficult not because of the mechanics but because it takes much longer to kill the boss which of course increases the margin or error because your in the encounter much longer. I personally hate it that bosses continue to get larger and larger hp bars, it feels like the solo equivalent to Grandmasters just adding more champions to fake increase difficulty. Like, you can solo flawless 3 dps phases? Ok, next dungeon we'll make you have to survive 5 dps phases instead. Vespers has been a bit of a step in the right direction I feel like much more damage is achieveable in each phase.

[@urezzz]

Ghost and vesper are the only dungeons I refuse to solo. Just thinking about it gives me a headache. I can't imagine running around for an hour or two trying to finish all the mechanics just to get to dps. This is where warlords nailed it.

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@urezzz This is the real problem with the dungeon, barring its bugginess. The mechanics are so involved and full of instant-wipe moments that you really don't want to have to do them more than necessary, but since Bungie keeps making HP bars bigger and bigger you're being forced to dance through an instant death minefield 3, 4, even 5 or 6 times just to even *start* doing damage to the boss. The fact the boss itself sports its own instant loss mechanics on top of that is just... why?

[@Dor10sh]

Solo flawlessed every dungeon few times, cant seem to pass 2 damage phases of puppeteer😩

[@oxsila]

I personally found Duality the easiest to solo flawless (I did it after classy restoration left the artifact), warlord's ruin the 2nd easiest and ghosts of the deep the hardest. Thinking of just giving this new dungeon a miss since it's a really fun 3 man since it feels like everyone actually has a job most of the time. I don't mind missing out on this solo flawless since it means people who find solo flawless easy have something to sink their teeth into for once.

[@MrMilks_]

I feel good for my solo flawless then. only took me 4 tries. and i beat the final boss on my first time trying it

[@habanerothecheese-a-pillar2507]

I think bungie is planning on implementing more randomness by having mobs randomly teleport and bug the fuck out.

[@VansCreed]

Ive been at it for 5 days in a row, have 50k kills so far and still getting cukd bc the floor and some weird bugs lol, on my best run i died inside the bunker in dps. Have been killed due to insta sniper kill, and sometimes trip mines kill me from 50 light years of distance lol. I'm not giving up tho. (Im doing it on an old xbox one 30 frames)

[@moshi-s7779]

Ghost of the deep is definitely the hardest one for the simple theres too much random elements to it the moths the random symbols the none stop add spawning the tanks that u call bosses

[@bcityy]

It’s the hardest bc of the error codes or nuke falling in the crack. It’s no where near the hardest tho, just tedious

[@wrexmkw]

I really didn't find this as hard as people are saying it is. I only spent a handful of actual attempts and my full clear only took about an hour. Although, I've only done a sf of throne and vespers, so i don't exactly have a good frame of reference🤷‍♂️

[@Hanz_Goober]

I've solo flawlessed every other dungeon, and I won't be stopping anytime soon 🫡 I need to get a good speakers sight roll, and I want a good bitter/sweet for the final boss. I already got the first 2 encounters down.

[@nikolasps-ip6iy]

I have problem with radiation puppies like i am the room to put the nuke i died there. I trying to kill as i can but there always someone left. I don't know what i am doing wrong.

[@BeruntoBsy]

This Dungeon is now my least favourite Dungeon and probably the only one I am not going to Solo Flawless. The best description I can come up with is that it is annoying. Carrying Nuclear Cores that slow you and radiate you, timed Mechanics, One-Shot Boss Mechanics, Sniper Boss, RNG Lightning, janky Radiation Clones, way too much Boss HP. None, of that is the challenging kind of fun. The Final Boss Arena is a disaster. After I got the Weapons I want I will not touch this anymore. If we are just talking about Map Design and Parkour then this is a great Dungeon.

[@joeybechtold2622]

Ive been able to flawless up to the final boss but it just keeps destroying me

[@Darkraz]

You lose dps but placing a well on the tanker or going back left is fairly safe

[@dimkas21]

How do you not mention Ghost of the Deep once?

[@pollution-f2q]

In clearing this dungeon, which do you think is easier for most people to clear, Titan or Warlock? I've finished 2 stages on titan but I'm dying during the dps of the last boss, should I switch to warlock?Or should I practice how to survive on titan?

[@Termite1157]

if you can play aggressively, keep going on titan. thundercrash and consecration can three phase the boss easy and keep the arena clear of puppets. if you just want the path of least resistance, do warlock. with shit like speakers sight/well/x2 resto it’s reallyy hard to die. plus with stag you can just cheese the whole fight and never stop shooting at the boss lol.

[@mrbliv102]

the boss fight wouldnt be bad... if the boss didnt have so much god damn health 3.5 mil damage on one phase and yet i felt like i tickled the guy

[@Gh0ul6899]

You really need to do research currently one of the easiest dungeons because 1st encounter can be skipped entirely 2nd encounter a bug allows infinite dmg phase to make it worse stasis titan super cheeses dmg and the dmg phase never expires. Meaning the only fight is the 1 puppeteer

[@ayejay2688]

it's definitely not because unlike every other dungeon VH was literally designed for multiple people because bungie wanted some artificial hype from the contest mode release and only later on in the design process did they remember that 99.9% of people solo dungeons & would like to do them solo definitely not

[@poodamagic]

trying to solo/flawless this dungeon on hunter is destroying me man, its by far my favorite dungeon so i wanted my first solo to be it but MAN without super easy access to healing like titan and warlock it whoopin my ass. Its only the final boss damage phase im having trouble with too atm the farthest ive gotten her is half so im close. I believe ill get it this week

[@ForeverLaxx]

What's your strategy for the Super Brig? What I'm doing isn't consistent enough for my liking.

[@NOVAtrader]

Flawlessed it a couple nights ago, ran graviton and just took it nice and slow.

[@goldump]

​@@ForeverLaxxjus duplicate the ball so you dont have to worry about it

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@goldump Not really interested in that. I've been going OOB to break the encounter in order to farm it, but it softlocks the dungeon and they'll fix the dupe eventually.

[@goldump]

@ForeverLaxx ?? Why not take advantage of something that makes the encounter like 4x easier and quicker, the oob is much more annoying and hard than duping

[@Aaron-rw4dr]

Ive solo flawlessed every dungeon and this was one of the easiest dungeons if you know what ur doing it is very free dungeons like warlords, prophecy, and duality took me 8+ hours of attempts this one took me 4

[@bilking1962]

TIZZLE! Are you around? Like if you are and I will pose my queries here.

[@lupuskitsu248]

Hardest? I still give that to warlord’s ruin. I took 3 attempts to clear vesper’s with 2 deaths to brig stomps because I tried running past rather than just unaliving. 20 attempts into warlords ruin and I’ve given up, I just don’t understand why 1 shot from the ogre gives you enough velocity to drop your hp to 1 when you hit a wall. Vesper’s is really easy to beat just by being patient and consistent in comparison to warlords finicky gravitational mess.

[@ISoldKen]

WR is not that hard

[@fissilepear7805]

WR is not that hard imo you just HAVE to focus on healing and survivability over dps due to the number of ads. It's just a super long solo flawless because you gotta do at least 4 damage phases for the latter 2 bosses.

[@irrelevantnamehandle]

i won’t lie, hearing how hard this one is combined with all the bugs and other shit that can cost a run; im kinda hesitant to run this until they patch all those glitches. haven’t decided if I wanna run a warlock or titan, but if anything id probably go for the safest strats as i always have. ive seen so many different ones im still struggling to figure out what the best one would be for me lol.

[@Blue-qt8ms]

The amount of bugs that are in this is insane, the boss ain’t bad and 1-2 are easy it’s just horrible design and being fucking body block by teleporting radiation dudes

[@Rex200024]

Just got mine very rough one 😬

[@OG1Jayy]

Someone mentioned it in the comments already, but this season’s artifact is dog water for solo dungeons.

[@acito35]

I completed this solo flawless on my hunter…do not recommend warlock and titan are so much easier.

[@OiTzMojo]

IMO this is one of the easier solo flaw dungeons.

[@TheStevec91]

Dude goes its a skill check nd one shots the boss lol

[@rgbxavier4289]

We will agree to disagree

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

New weird Dungeon bug, started a run today and didn't have a Super Meter whatsoever, because who needs their Super in this Dungeon 😂😂😂😂

[@Jayna-Kurohana]

Void Hunter is still disabled die to error Codes and game crashes while using tether or deadfall

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

@@Jayna-Kurohana ah good call. I was on Primastic Deadfall. First Hunter run, was gonna cheese Deadfall and Wardcliff Coil vs Raneiks 🤣🤣🤣

[@bloodynine801]

I'm sad that the easiest one according to you is the only one I've done, Spire of the Watcher, ha ha.

[@BTee1731]

Question? Can you survive lightning strikes in a well with heir apparent and sanguine alchemy? Might be a safe - adequate dmg option? Need to test…

[@realnoble676]

Considering song of flame gives 90% dr and you still get one shot I doubt it, but you never know..

[@BTee1731]

@@realnoble676 hmmm yeah probs correct dr is multiplicative so if 90 doesnt do it i doubt 95 or so would either, would be funny if it did tho

[@Xexvir]

Watch eso do his solo flaw on warlock. Uses a stag rift and stands on a satellite away from the lightning and clones

[@BTee1731]

@@Xexvir nice, will check it out, eso what a goat

[@Ultr4Instnct]

That dungeon is fuy rigged man. Tried it 3 times yesterday. Everything easy. Almost half life of rainiks done. I'm starting like 3rd dps phase. Boss is falling apart, tractor him, stasis super. After a couple seconds I'm dying because of the bosses integration attack like dude the small servitors just shooting. How??

[@gibster9624]

Its hard for the right reasons but Bungie loves to romance completely cheap one shot mechanics. Their idea of hard is punishing you for not being able to handle bs RNG. In the legend campaign they had a mission where a piss ton of mines would spawn and you could trigger them while being nowhere near the laser and some would be around corners and could one shot the player. It's not a fun mechanic and it overly punishes the player for a "mistake." This has been Bungie's idea of difficulty which is why there are nowhere near traditional roles in this game and why the games language makes no sense. Warlocks and Hunters shouldn't have to feel obligated to dump a heavy investment of their stats into resilience. While Titan's class ability cooldown is tied to resilience the idea is that Titan's are the tanks class yet somehow is the only class in the game that doesn't have an exotic that gives increased damage resist not like renewel grasps used to give or like the Stag gives Warlocks. So it's not entirely all the right reasons but it's better than the past but until they remedy the fact that they keep calling the Titan the tank class while giving now way to be tankier than the actual classes with exotics that grant resistance like omnioculus does for Hunter they will continue to hamstring themselves into making the same mistakes imo and that is being making something difficult that doesn't involve One Shot Mechanics. The game is supposed to feel fast-paced so maybe they are afraid to get away from the formula they've relied on all these years.

[@pika._.1988]

🧢

[@QKops]

Ghosts of the deep still the hardest

[@NotTheBeltAgain]

This dungeon is def not the hardest at all

[@ItsAcheron]

After having run Warlord's Ruin enough I agree MOSTLY with your review however the freezing in the 2nd boss room can glitch. For instance on one of the runs I was going for solo flawless I got him killed and the storm was gone with all the lanterns and fires out, but I had the debuff stack to 10 and kill me even with the chest and loot in front of me. So other than that I fully agree with you.

[@w.clouds]

duality IS NOT HARD ghost and this are the only hard ones (ive done them all)

[@denny8422]

idk man I kinda struggle with duality lol

[@w.clouds]

@@denny8422 if you struggle with duality you're bad

[@w.clouds]

@@SeaHoplite what's ironic is i didn't say nor did the video say when it first came out. it said now

[@denny8422]

@@w.clouds genuinely just forgetful no need for all that homie

[@w.clouds]

@@denny8422 forgetful? this is about a new dungeon why would he say oh the hardest dungeons rn are duality

[@GuardiosK]

I think lots of people are confusing enjoyment with difficulty. Duality was frustrating, and, to a degree, GoTD too. During Vesper if you die you kinda know is a skill issue. Sure, not shooting moths and backpacks is also a skill issue, but it turns into frustration. Vesper doesn't have that. I guess difficulty is also subjective, but I cannot wrap my head around how making one mistake during any point of the final boss is considered easier than remembering to shoot a backpack or go into the water when moths appear (or just shoot them lol)

[@ayejay2688]

i also don't know why you're praising the encounters being quasi random with their mechanics / enemies, like are we seriously saying that "it's random guys so it's good and unfamiliar so we just have to adapt!" as a good thing? last i checked EVERYONE liked destiny because it was concise and routable, that's THE whole reason why speedrunners even have ANY content to do & also why solo players are supposed to be able to clear content, because the content is set so they can adapt; not fkn random amounts of IMPORTANT enemies in a room and then randomized lightning strikes it would be one thing if your actions directly triggered the amount of puppets in a room to be different or if you dunked an extra nuclear core for extra dmg time that causes the lightning to be random and deadly, but they don't, it's rng without player control & last time i checked every single god damned person in this fkas community hates that

[@Existing_Echo]

Ran this once, didn’t care for it, the weapons aren’t appealing enough for me to care tbh.

[@Hariukin]

WAYYYYYY to convoluted to even try

[@lobes117]

There sure is a lot going on in this dungeon to solo dolo it

[@eduardoportal5341]

How is this hard for people? It’s mad easy. Ok well at least for titans and warlocks but still. The only frustrating part is just how long the final encounter is

[@soundjuggler129]

I’m ngl I think this is acc the easiest dungeon to solo flaw

[@omarlocke4351]

whoa! wait. none of these dungeons are difficult on pc. you can solo flawless on contest difficulty with the frame rate buff. some of the commentary here is total cap

[@clayton50]

Someones mad 😂

[@omarlocke4351]

@@clayton50 not mad at all. pc is baby game. datto and salt agreppo continually tell us they can’t die. datto was strolling through this dungeon on stream first try. salt agreppo used a sword and stomped this dungeon. first try. there were solo flawless completions on contest mode. the first day. this dungeon is easy mode on pc.

[@cameronsalmon1314]

⁠@@omarlocke4351are you delirious? Those people are the CREAM OF THE CROP when it comes to Destiny. THEY LITERALLY PLAY THE GAME FOR THEIR JOB. They are the TOP CONTENDERS when it comes to anything endgame related. Esoterickk, the guy who is arguably the best when it comes to solo play, said himself that the final boss was too much of a challenge, both in mechanics and difficultly to complete in contest. He was BARELY able to complete the second boss with lucky stasis breaks on Behemoth.

[@cameronsalmon1314]

@@omarlocke4351so you’re either rage baiting (which I must commend for actually being very believable) or actually just a vegetable.

[@omarlocke4351]

@@cameronsalmon1314 snazzy rock is better than esoterica by a mile. he walked through. they were not the only ones. lots of people did it. hell, you could buy an account recovery for contest mode SOLO! so just because some rando youtuber couldn’t do it is meaningless