Why Vitiate's "Grey Jedi" Eternal Empire Was WAY More Powerful Than the Jedi Or Sith

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[@markusbarten455]

An immortal Sith founding an Empire of Dark and Grey Jedi actually makes a twisted amount of sense. I mean he could found a normal Sith empire, but they would scheme against him 24/7 because Sith, but Jedi even corrupt ones would be loyal in perpetua.

[@life_is_a_myth]

You mean like Sidious' Inquisitors?

[@markusbarten455]

@@life_is_a_myth Well yes and no. The Inquisitors are more like fallen Jedi or bargain bin Sith, or rather they are in an odd place in the middle. The funny thing is that Sidious actually found a loophole in the Rule of two, by taking a bunch of broken Padawan and other force sensitives and teaching them just enough about the Darkside to make them usefull, but not enough that they could be considered a real Sith, also keeping them to weak and dependent on him to rebel.

[@1qplayer626]

true sadly his children were not good heirs

[@WilliamAGould]

Vitiate's Eternal Empire force user guard was a work of brilliance by those at Bioware. They drew their strength in the force from their faith in a high authority, and it worked. Bioware was able to connect force use with RPG fantasy priests and paladins drawing their power from a high authority.

[@darthgorthaur258]

I have to point this out every time, vitiate is behaving exactly like a sith the entire time he never stops. He is always manipulating others for power and moving shadows around for he's own advancement.

[@Ktr-1142-ema]

I doesn’t have to be said

[@greyjedi6430]

But how can we trust what u say your a sith . You are not known for being truthful

[@darthgorthaur258]

@@greyjedi6430 haha because who better to point out his lies...unless your going to tell me your like him...

[@greyjedi6430]

@@darthgorthaur258 yes but the truth coming from a sith whose main goal is to try and create lies and deceit how can I trust that no punctuation 🤣🤣🤣

[@draconianemanations2785]

The Eternal Empire is just an extension of the Sith Empire that engages in double speak to hide its dark nature. Nothing more and nothing less. Also, Jedi and Sith were around before the Eternal empire, and they were around after, so I think that pretty clearly tells who the more powerful is... ✌😏

[@chimeraproject9481]

This is the star wars we should've gotten as canon

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Disney want poorly written generic formulated censored rainbow star wars

[@Letsscalpp3d0s]

Yes that grooming cult would much rather have tranny Jedi and Sith over an actual story with substance.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

@ozvega.57 he already destroyed thrawn, you must he blind of you Don't see it thrawn in the EU is a very smart cunning badass intimidating trained military man, Dave filoni cartoonish poorly written series turned him into a joke. He is overrated and a talentless hack, he doesn't understand or respect the EU

[@grrumakemeangry]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021theres nothing wrong with lgbt representation. new disney star wars films are trash, but thats not the reason for it. stop being a homophobe its disgusting

[@jackryan677]

Tbh, I think a better example would be the Empire knights. They were specifically force users to keep order. And even to kill the Emperor if he turned. The knights of zakuul were more conquest and conquer. While maybe less dark. Vititates involvement, I think really makes them dark, even if they didn't know. I mean it's Vitiate! Its like some sith putting on a fake nose and glasses, and saying "hey..... I'm not so bad now".

[@DM5550Z]

Note: The knights of Zakuul sought absolute power, but unlike the Sith were not required to channel rage but rather any emotion.

[@liborohanka5010]

Maybe he wanted to his knights be less dark that him, because whole sith infighting and master slaying (not necessarily rule of two etc., just typical sith tendenci). Why have army of powerful guys that are trained to betray each other and you?

[@g3n3ral1nsanity5]

This is why I like the idea of being balanced in the force and utilizing that balance as a tool to manipulate my surroundings and achieve what I want while also bringing others to better themselves alongside me

[@Dudeover30]

But I dont think that Vitiate built Zakuul in just a few months between the end of Shadow of Revan and the events on Ziost. Marr said sth like this himself "your constant silence throughout our history" so Vitiate had to spent time building Zakuul for a long time, when he was still Sith Emperor. At least that's how I understand it

[@davidharrington5694]

It was ~600 years before SWTOR began.

[@doubt3430]

That's quite literally what he did He was both valkorion and vitiate while vitiate served for thousands of years he was also valkorion silently building the eternal empire That plus the advance cloaking technology of the eternal fleet he silently brought (what was left of) wild space under his control Once his sons was of age and after the revan incident he sent them to probe and prod the locals in the rest of the galaxy to measure their power

[@arcannskywalker5476]

I have to say,..another great vid,.. I'd love to see the Old Republic & The Eternal Empire in live action,.. The Eternal Empire was well structured no wonder they gave the Jedi & Sith such a hard time,...

[@alexsim011]

I would like to know what happened with Zakul and its people after the defeat of Valkorian/Vitiate, especially closer to the storyline of the Skywalkers. I understand they were in wild space, but due to the history, the Core Worlds should be aware of their existance.

[@TheNamelessScholarOfficial]

Wookiepedia heavily implies that after The Order of Zildrog destroyed the Eternal Fleet and afterwards, the alliance weakened, all former Eternal Empire space was split between Republic and Empire. That and knowing what the Republic did to the Sith Pureblood, we can safely say that They sooner or later eradicated Zakuul's culture and integrated them into the Republic a-la The Roman Empire eradicating Carthage.

[@efaristi9737]

@@TheNamelessScholarOfficial Romans didn't always eradicate foreign cultures.

[@TheNamelessScholarOfficial]

@@efaristi9737 Yes, that's why I gave the exception of Carthage. Otherwise, Rome was a multicultural society.

[@talisredstar1543]

@@TheNamelessScholarOfficial Yeah pretty much all that is true. Its fun to be the Alliance Commander, but you always knew in the back of your mind it wasn't going to last. but just on sheer logistics of characters when you have to choose what side your going to join or rejoin it does allow them to trim some characters, and bring the story back down you more.

[@TheNamelessScholarOfficial]

@@talisredstar1543 And the Alliance commander's identity needs to be always lost to time. I also assume that there will be contradictory sources for the Empire's Wrath, Darth Nox/Occlus/Imperius especially.

[@TheRacknker]

Eternal empire when boasting against the republic: I'm stronger, I'm smarter, I'm better..... I'M BETTER

[@thegreatquakester]

We need a quadrilogy about the eternal empire. Movie #1: Vitiate up until he possesses Valkorion and starts building the empire and having kids Movie #2: Arcann and Thexan in their prime, Thexan’s death, finishes with Arcann killing Valkorion and taking over. Movie #3: Emporer Arcann, Empress Vaylin Movie #4: the inevitable ending

[@morrgash]

I LOVED this story arc in Swtor, it was something new which we sadly don't often see in the rest of SW nowadays!

[@efaristi9737]

Make sense that the Knights of Zakuul are more powerful than Jedi and Sith if they can study both sides of the forces. That would make them able to use forces powers than Sith and Jedi can't use for lack of having studied them. Studying the light side might also make the Knights less susceptibles to corosive influence of the dark side, maybe (speculation) making its use less dangerous than for the sith. I remember Lana saying that the Force presence on Zakuul was particular because perfectly balanced unlike most planets. That would explain why Force sensitives peoples of Zakuul have that particular opinion of the Force (despite having a very creepy and dark mythology) and maybe why Vitiate choose that planet in particular of all the planets in the galaxy to start a empire with differents ideals than the sith. Of course, there was also the Eternal Fleet but he couldn't be sure the Fleet was on Zakuul and not somewhere else.

[@antcow1239]

The Eternal Empire sound like they did it right with their knights, they bypassed the 60K blood bath between the Jedi and Sith and made a combined arms force of the same with none of the weakness.

[@deathstalkerx4415]

Great video as usual. I just love Tenebrae as a character, he is such a dope villain, just an all powerful, intelligent entity looming over the galaxy, threatening to destroy everything resulting in all of the strongest people fighting him while his main focus isnt even there but on Zakuul. as a side note, Im sorry, I have to point this out, the planets name is Iokath, not Ikoath :D

[@bigbangrafa8435]

The charm, the build up, the incredible voice acting. Literally every single person involved with Tenebrae's creating and charcater arc gave 100% of themselves and this is the result. It's what I expected from Snoke before TFA came out, but... Well, we all know how that ended up. It's quite sad to know that the best of Star Wars is in the past and not in the future, and that don't matter what we do things will keep getting more and more clumsy until nobody cares about It anymore. It's a sad time to be a nerd, the twilight of fiction. Say goodbye to everything you love, because people like JJ Abrams are comming for It. Since you know, there's a necessity to change the things you like into abominations. A franchise is being successful for 40 years, but times have changed and It's best qualities are in fact quite inapropriate. So we will change them to fit our own world view... I mean, for the benefit of "modern audiences".

[@DM5550Z]

Note: The knights of Zakuul sought absolute power, but unlike the Sith were not required to channel rage but rather any emotion.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

I actually find Tenebrae a pretty simple and uncomplicated villain. He's evil, he was seemingly born evil, and has only gotten more evil as time has gone on. Like, the first notable act he did was kill his step father for hurting his mother then torture his mother to death for betraying his step father, then kill his biological father and rule Nathema. All of this before the age of 20, like, how? Why? Who the fuck is born wanting to rule the galaxy? Even darth Bane didn't start out as fucked up as he ended up yet Tenebrae appears to have started his life determined to be the villain in everyone else's story.

[@Mcherri]

Tenebrae reminds me of trigon from dc both pretty much the same age before they conquer their plants and killed their mothers.

[@deathstalkerx4415]

@@seekingabsolution1907 Yeah, Tenebrae was in a way the personification of the dark side. Thats what I love about him. He wants to experience *everything* for himself. The force is his to command, every life livable is his (being a farmer, an ordinary man etc) to live and death and destiny have no control over him. He also has some of the greatest quotes in SWTOR imo

[@johnpatz8395]

Sadly, I’ve said since. Disney bought Star Wars, that if they were smart, the franchise could have been a money printer unlike any other. But instead of putting together a work group of writers, directors, etc…., and having them put together a sort of Bible/roadmap to guide the franchise, they instead just hired directors and said “do whatever you want.” It’s sad to see them waste such an opportunity.

[@davidyoung2553]

I agree. There's so much content in here just waiting to be brought out and explored. So much lore so many characters who played a part in shaping the galaxy that deserve some screen time. It's an endless void of possibilities.

[@johnpatz8395]

@@davidyoung2553 I always thought so. It’s so sad to see all the lore and characters being squandered and ignored.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

I've calmed down now and I'm just gonna list the words and corrections. 1, the world of the precursor civilization that made the fleet was called Iokath like "I owe Kath" 2, Isotope 5, as in the scientific term Isotope denoting a variation of an element which has more neutrons than usual. 3, the gravestone was made on Iokath as well as the eternal fleet. It was part of some weird war game simulation by the people of Iokath.

[@SolaraSLE99]

I really loved swtor I wish more content would come out, the Eternal Empire was an awesome thing to see.

[@ghostranger5890]

I don't know if more lore is discussed on this, but do you know what the lore means by "and that they drew their connection to the Force directly from Emperor Valkorion." Did Valkorian possess the power to connect a person to the Force? Was he more of an open conduit that allowed them to directly access the Force through him? It honestly is quite an interesting and cool idea.

[@davido.1233]

I think he means Iokath whenever he says Ikoath.

[@bastiwen]

Was about to comment that too haha

[@proto8432]

I was also looking for this comment

[@RadicalTrivia]

Thrawn needs to be a (if not THE) focal point of the next big Star Wars event.

[@minicle426]

Thrawn is so tediously overated...

[@RadicalTrivia]

@@minicle426 Have you read the new trilogies? I thought they gave him a huge amount of depth. Even among his own people, he doesn't fit in and is outcast, but his driving motivation is to help them.

[@dawall3732]

It terrified both Sith and Jedi, which is why all records of it were purged. (So none know it ever existed by the clone wars.)

[@djnavarro3212]

I know I’m late in posting this, but I would like to see the Eternal Empire fight the a combined Empire, First Order, and Final Order fleet

[@robinnickell9561]

If they made a movie about this it would blow away the trilogy by far

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Disney will bastardize it

[@neutralasswitz3192]

So basically this is/was the best civilisation in star wars, GG they did it

[@andersbylund2753]

Ive been waiting for this!

[@ZakPrestor]

Lana Beniko, Satele Shan, and many more Jedi and Siths actually noted how much WEAKER Kinights of Zakuul have been compared to them. It was believed that overreliance on armour, cybernetics, and undercommitment to either Side of the Force were the rootcause of why a regular Jedi Knight or Sith Warrior could stomp a Knight of Zakuul.

[@greendiamond3314]

too bad they didn't continue with the eternal empire in Swtor after the Iokath expansion came out they literally ignored the eternal empire after that and revived Malgus which I don't mind but still I want to see what happend to the empire after the Alliance takes over and helps or subjugates Zakull depending if you are LS or DS aligned.

[@arhambliss8606]

I want to point out if you played the game the knights of zaakul are not so powerful. You can see even non force users killing fairly easily without traps or stuff like that. And some force users like Lana for example could take groups of them alone.

[@jackbrian7083]

Yeah cause its a game but the game wven tells you that they destroyed the Sith and jedi. Hell the Trailer tells you that

[@arhambliss8606]

@@jackbrian7083 I am not talking gameplay I am talking cutscenes. Also the raid on Korriban and Tython while impressive was also done 1 year before and was as destructive if not more so by the republic and the empire. Meaning that when the knights of zaakul invaded they invaded jedi and sith that already lost a lot of their numbers not long ago which include powerful members of their orders.

[@benronald]

You have a point about regular characters taking down the knights, however Lana is literally the player's right hand for most of the story so it makes sense why she would be so powerful

[@draenesteron]

Good and informative. One thing though - It's Iokath [Ay-oh-cath].

[@Minecraftassassin-re6og]

The eternal empire probably has the best government system in any Star wars era and to be honest probably the best military if I had to choose between fighting for the eternal empire or the republic or the separatists I would say the eternal empire

[@davidschuc]

What about the sky troopers?

[@douglasdebisschop4122]

My biggest question has always been; how EXACTLY did Valkorian tie the eternal fleet to the eternal throne itself? Did he find/discover something that specific on Iokath itself? Or was it something specific/akin to dark side manipulation, of which Val/visiciate had almost god-like levels of power and knowledge??

[@kadbenson7540]

Damn a ton of other ships getting blown up bc one of them is destroyed while charging is such a massive Achilles heel and glaring vulnerability that makex using the mass unified attack almost completely non-viable and almost completely not worth using except in the most extreme and dire or most extremely precise and controlled situations. Like if they ambushed another fleet or planet and could deploy the attack before the enemy, ships could reach them or something

[@aster4jaden]

Originally I actually thought this, but now I disagree. Lana proved a Sith could take down a KoZ quite easily and if Sith used Sith Magic on them, the're f-d. To me the reason why the Knights of Zakuul was able to take down the Sith was because of Thexan and Arcann, i'm pretty sure it was a surprise invasion and the Sith was already at war with the Republic so they was already weakened. If it was between a fully trained Knight of Zakuul vs a fully trained Sith Lord, I believe the Sith Lord would win. I think it's been stated if you don't fully align with the Dark Side of the Force, its powers are heavily weakened.

[@efaristi9737]

Using the Force as a whole would weaken the power of the Force? 🤨🤨🤨 I mean, sure, being fully aligned with the dark side certainly make you a stronger dark side user but using both side should allow you to use powers sith can't use because of their full commitement to one side of the Force. At the very least, i think that should compensate the lack of power. Also, i remember a sith lord that was strong in the dark side of the Force despite never doing any of the unsavory things siths usually do. Granted his case was a special case but still.

[@aster4jaden]

@@efaristi9737 "Using the Force as a whole would weaken the power of the Force?" Yes. It's shown in the Series that not everyone can embrace the Force fully (many end up being Mediocre, again Lana Beniko pretty much points it out) with beings like Revan being a rare exception (the Force has even drove Jedi and Sith who attempt to into insanity). Darth Vectivus embraced the Dark Side of the Force, he wasn't a killer but was ruthless and ambitious.

[@DM5550Z]

Note: The knights of Zakuul sought absolute power, but unlike the Sith were not required to channel rage but rather any emotion.

[@khaldoonal-maliki759]

star wars should make [EPISODE 0] THE OLD REPUBLIC someday.i mean its a good idea also i think death star 1 and 2 vs eternal empire the eternal empire would win because if the death stars destroyed all the ships they would make a supernova which would destroy the empire and blow up the death star so actually its a draw/tie

[@Lockout469]

We know there are force abilities that are only exclusive to light side users and dark side users, but are there any force abilities exclusive for people who choose to be balanced in the force?

[@ejrodriguez2656]

This mention of the Eternal Empire and Eternal Fleet has me even more interested. Especially, the fall of the Eternal Empire and Fleet.

[@PeteTemplar101]

I've always found the Knights confusing to understand from a force philosophical standpoint. Based on the fact that the force is split into the force and the dark side of the force, I'd honestly say that the way Vitiate trained them was ingenious. The Knights AREN'T Darksiders, the way they use the Force is selfless. They're much closer to the Jedi. The difference is, whereas the Jedi selflessly serve the Will of the Force, the Knights selflessly serve the will of Valkorion instead...and he is the epitome of evil in that era

[@alexhenderson1312]

It would be wonderful to have a film or TV series based around the Eternal Empire! 😎🤩😇💪👍

[@chancemeyers8502]

I qgree with your assesment at the end (as usual. Thats why I come here, you know your stuff). I do think it would take Thrawn and Sidiouses fleets and probably an actually completed Death Star to stand up to them. But even then I think if theres one family in the galaxy that would have been able to stand up to Sidious and his power in the dark side (Besides the Skywalkers) it would have been Visheit (probably butchered that spelling) and Arcan and his brother and sister.

[@magickmynd1296]

Lots of contradictions to the Sith characteristics here. Yes, the eternal empire is a society of conquerers and pursuing absolute power, no matter which side of the force was offering it or what knowledge they could obtain, but it's a lot less dark than the normal sith. Sure, the leader may have had other intentions in mind, but the society he created was a lot more grey than maybe intended. I have always been on the side of the grey more than the light or dark, and I think the power displayed by the eternal empire is more proof to the point that the jedi should not be focusing on just the light side of the force with such strict adherance as they have up to this point. The jedi knights who allow a little more of the dark inside and don't follow the strict teachings of the main jedi order are the ones who generally end up becoming more powerful and more feared by the dark side than the purely light side jedi masters and vice versa. Emotion is what influences the greater release of power in the force. You can't completely remove it otherwise you take away a lot of that power. But you also can't let that emotion completely overwhelm you, you have to control it, otherwise you can't achieve the desired result and can end up self destructing because you lack the proper focus to take the correct actions in any situation. Therfore, I think the grey will always be more powerful in the end than the light or the dark individually, they just have too many weaknesses that the grey doesn't.

[@naturalistmind]

I didn't know anything about the eternal empire before playing through the swtor expansion though I must admit becoming powerful enough to solo the heroic stations and kill the exarchs was very fun.

[@fdsajfldaskjf]

You can solo those? Fuck I’ll have to do that on my next toon. Trying to get all 8 through the expansions.

[@lordofpain3476]

A superior being deserves a superior army and superior fleet .

[@dc6953]

I’ve been wanting a video on grey Jedi so bad

[@liam4295]

“Io” “Kath” Loved the vid

[@beerasaurus]

the builders were most likely another rakatan faction just look at the ships. They have the shape of rakatan heads.

[@manux5306]

Grey Jedis will always be more powerful, the don't follow a code, they have feeling but they don't fall to the dark side that easy, the code of the Jedi is what makes them weak, that's why the Empire got back on track even after losing the "BOY", Vitiate may be a A Sith Emperor, but his power only corrupted 2 of his people, and they were forced into it.

[@wewenang5167]

did they really that powerful? well if you play it in hard mode yeh...but i only managed to play my character in easy and medium mode in the KOTFE xD.

[@thomasparque7834]

A small part of me wanders what happens if the Sith Emperor able combine the fleet with the Star Forge and Revan’s military mind along with children serving as his “Malak”, it would truly make him invincible and could conquered the Star Wars universe as a whole not just the whole damn galaxy

[@twistednwarped314]

I always thought their extreme power came from how they viewed the force and their own powers. For them, it's all about faith and loyalty to the emperor instead of ambiguous concepts like power or peace.

[@azureflame6117]

What about the eternal empire versus the yuzongvong?

[@davidevans916]

This needs to be made into a trilogy or series

[@dylandehart5246]

At 4:39 you are using the art of a magic: the gathering card. And I both love and hate it

[@michaelbarnes2126]

I think the Star Forge would give it a good fight, it could out unlimited number of ships and it feed on dark side energy

[@robertagu5533]

Ironic that one of this franchise's WORST an most powerful Darkside Characters had no issues with his people dabbling in "Good" oriented powers an philosophy.. this hints that PLENTY of the Eternals Army or least many Zakool Knights were probably NOT even Evil or even Bad if any lean to the Light or good side.. rather progress and perhaps even to an extent "Grey" Empire depending on whom is in charge of doin what at any specific time, task an place sounds like with their overall Emperor being personally just disposed to being one of the most Evil high lords ever.. But with the study of "Good" or Light side does this beg the question of IF Vitiate would or could EVER be or do Light side anything ever??? From what I understand that's a hard no but maybe evidence of something different exists somewhere largely unknown perhaps I wonder

[@jackr1110]

Don't forget that this only only part of viciate. Another part is with revan thinking he has complete control over him but revan also is influencing him and at a leap why he's ok with the good side aswell... at end day it all works towards his end goal he wanted to engulf the entire cosmos, be the only thing alive and wait untill it all started again like a God/ sentient being

[@robertagu5533]

@@jackr1110 maybe that's WHY he tolerated good though being Evil in a way ONLY rivaled by a tiny handful of Darksiders ever. He simply figured what would it matter if on the end HE was all gonna be left anyways.

[@anthonywall5227]

Thank you

[@dcabner1]

“Mysterious Aline technology” sounds a whole lot like someone found an STC, 40k years after the emperor of man kind sacrificed himself destroying the chaos gods, sealing off the warp and normal space, creating the force.

[@joshuaaxford516]

Wild space and the unknown regions are two entirely different regions of the galaxy

[@funnature8679]

If they use lightsaber pikes then there style may be staff, "spearsmanship" or polearm related stuff, yet the fire aspect in Minecraft would burn the armor if the blades has enchanted by fire aspect 2 and make the armor engulf in flames.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

😑...

[@steffent.6477]

He build Zakuul way befor his resurrection at Yavin...

[@charlestownsend9280]

Yeah, for most of his rule over the sith empire he was silent and left the day to day running of the empire to the dark council. Dsrth Marr even realises that the eternal empire is why that was the case shortly before being killed.

[@rayhaas7036]

this would make me curious, if the eternal empire is number 1 most powerful empire and then the empire that Sidous ran as the runner up, are there any other empires that had come and gone before, and if there were more than 2 then where would they rank?

[@xeronix9774]

the rakatan infinite empire could arguably be first

[@efaristi9737]

@@xeronix9774 They were. Unlike the Eternal Empire, they ruled over the whole galaxy for centuries (if i remember correctly) when the Eternal Empire had to coexist with the Republic and the Sith Empire and only for a few years. They had armies of force users, aliens canon fodder, monsters, droids and very advanced technology that still surpass the modern civilisations.

[@blackhawk3975]

It's Iokath, not Ikoath.

[@Ilurblur]

Was thinking the same thing watching this

[@johnniewalker5047]

High living standard, sharing of knowledge and even allowing droids to have sentience. Dosent sound too bad lol

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

Yep, if their boss didn’t want to eat everyone they’d be the best faction to support

[@unknownanomaly1646]

I would love to pick up some of those droids they look great but my wallet would be crying after lol

[@Shepherd1OFH]

Dude! Ikoath or Iokath?

[@bacd-nn2lg]

I will say that The Galactic Empire is definitely far more stronger than the Eternal Empire of Zakuul, and even the Infinite Empire could defeat it with the The Star Forge factory output that could produce the entire army of battleships in very short amount of time.

[@eatinbabiez]

Still for the Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 to become a movie that ISN'T Disney cinema oriented.

[@mandalortheslayer]

Think the Eternal Empire could defeat the Yuuzhan Vong?

[@wernerherbst6721]

I think they could, cause of Valkorian and the fact that they were fine with beological wapeons.

[@aaron_d_henderson1984]

trying to explain the "grey jedi" logic behind the eternal empire is like trying to explain to people why Ashara in SWTOR is a grey jedi. some people just aren't going to understand...

[@smashhimmungo5798]

RICK LONG CANBERRA NERDS INC ! SAYS KAMBAH RULES ! 😀

[@dafaadhamrizqi8028]

Isnt it supposed to be "iokath" not "ikoath" ? Or are they 2 diffrent thing ?

[@drewmendez3696]

So whats the difference between vitiates army/ guards as too his “wifes” troops when she tried to take back her daughter?? Anyone know what im talking about

[@haroldchase4120]

It could see them this strong 💪. Got to think with an all force Sensitive force the possibility’s are limited less

[@kbheath76]

I'm loving the entral empire more than the jedi and the sith

[@jahaerystargaryen4527]

SOundtrack in the backround please !!

[@P.E.O.ll-RhodesScholarGraduate]

Thank you. Marine Corps (PEO ll, Esq)

[@bryanrodriguez9226]

Thank you I’m going to pass my calculus 2 now

[@kingshadow8782]

Amazing

[@macwelch8599]

If they were more powerful than the Jedi and Sith, how come the Eternal Knights were always defeated easily by the player characters?

[@GamerX51]

The player characters are supposed to be special. For any ordinary person or force user, the Knights of Zakuul would basically be unbeatable.

[@macwelch8599]

@@GamerX51 ok

[@draconianemanations2785]

@@GamerX51 hmm... so why were the Jedi and the Sith both around before AND after the Eternal Empire, IF the Eternal Empire was more powerful than either. ?

[@GamerX51]

@@draconianemanations2785 Because the PC and their Alliance took the Eternal Empire out, obviously. 😏

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

Gonna be honest. The first time I was introduced to Valkurion and the Eternal Empire, I thought it was just created by some teenager that got bullied way to much in grade/highschool. To be honest I still think that way to an extent, that this was made to be someone's power fantasy.

[@benronald]

A "power fantasy" is kind of the point of star wars

[@HemisphereCinema]

I wanna see a trilogy about the two brothers

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Disney will ruin it stop wishing

[@HemisphereCinema]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Andor says otherwise

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

@@HemisphereCinema only one series? 😆 🤣 😂 andor is overrated the old republic is much darker than anything Disney star wars has pull out

[@HemisphereCinema]

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 did i ask? no

[@bad_narek1419]

Why is your pronunciation of Iokath wrong? There are many instances in the game when it's said.

[@jamescourtcourt8871]

eternal empire is my favourite!!!

[@endymionxonender4313]

it still my fav Faction

[@greyjedi6430]

Welcome fellow Jedi's

[@kevinwiltshire2217]

Where did all those ships go?

[@Iceflkn]

Thrawn would've brought them to heel

[@talisredstar1543]

I know its nit-picking, and maybe there is a journal in game that gives the different pronunciation. However, as long as I've played the game, and as many times as I've been through Iokath. It is I O kath, not I O kwath. Again I know its a nit-pick, but when you got multiple voice actors pronouncing it one way, and it is spelled that same way. I like it when people talking about lore stick to it. Now the more obscure planets and people that don't have actual pronunciations I 100 percent let peoples interpretation through. lol because many times I've been corrected myself.

[@talisredstar1543]

I would actually put the empire of Zakuul up against any other, maybe the the Rakatan Empire being the only ones that would be more dominate, but that would only be because of the Star Forge... then again putting the Star Forge against the planet of Iokath.. that would interesting.

[@hunterquate9436]

These stories are Star Wars

[@dylanplumley280]

I wonder if vitiate/valcronian could stomp palpatine

[@coronin8587]

It's a shame that Vitiate/Valkorian/Tenebrae is a terrible character that undermines Revan and Palpatine in the wider Legends continuity.

[@lexalford358]

The rakata empire was the most powerful in all of the Star Wars history

[@hippocraticly6167]

No way the empire beats knights if they have the eternal fleet

[@the_light_rising1826]

They weren’t really better when a Jedi and his strike team took down Vitiate and the Eternal Family. However, we wont go into that

[@benronald]

Well they had an army of their own in all fairness comprised not just of the republic and sith empire, but of zakuul deserters (of which there were many). And don't forget the gravestone that took down like 50 ships at once

[@matejkopa97]

You know that we know the correct pronunciation of Iokath, right?

[@emmanuelboakye1124]

Wow

[@Apotheosis1113]

If they're so powerful how come they were so easy to kill in swtor

[@jeremycoffen4619]

Wait so if one ship was destroyed they all would be destroyed in a super Nova?? So it’s like, we either beat you or you beat us and all die 😂😂

[@kingshadow8782]

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