Why Walder Frey Did NOTHING Wrong | Game of Thrones

We discuss why Walder Frey did NOTHING wrong in Game of Thrones. Why do people over look the fact that he was screwed over by Robb Stark on his conquest in Westeros? Also do people not fully understand how Guest Right is one of the dumbest things in all of the A Song of Ice and Fire series?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Tell us something Walder Frey did wrong and we will tell you why you're wrong

[@falseprophet1024]

He murdered people at a wedding after offering them guestrite..

[@drunknpoet]

Walder Frey did his hair wrong, so you're wrong about telling me that I'm wrong or I have Guest Rights on your channel, cause you can eat my ass 🍻

[@thefriendlessnorseman5282]

Trying to get his son married to Arya lul

[@hristiyan5695]

Not rioting against the Tullys with the Brackens or something like that. The Brackens usually wait for the tiniest reason to start burn some Blackwoods down

[@tad4364]

being a pedo and raping his daughters...? idk about you but thats pretty wrong.

[@BlackestSheep88]

The Lannisters arrive late: The Starks arrive late: The Freys arrive late: THE LATE LORD FREY

[@Dorkeydaze]

Hero bias because Starks and Lannisters won the war and became the new order they get the hero treatment…. Meanwhile any house with enough good sense to stand aside and side with the winners get treated as if they did some great misdeed.

[@jeromymperkins]

The starks were understandable late. The north’s damn near as big or is as big as the rest of Westeros’s together

[@Tipsandtricksforpros]

12:35 y’all are never getting on SNL

[@Leviticus_Prime]

@moltarsmagmar2865 Well, the issue is that the Freys were Bannermen of House Tully and were pledged to Robert's side during the Rebellion. They simply refused to actually fight and wanted yo wait it out. The Lannisters made no promises to side with either and were officially neutral until they were sure who would win. I think promising yo fight with one side and not actually doing so is more deserving of scorn than what the Lannisters did.

[@Jdjdjdujakzgsha]

@@Tipsandtricksforproswho’d want to?

[@SarahBullard-c4l]

You don't live to 90 in Westros without being clever.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Clever and hung like a horse. Frey all day

[@codyd7841]

Or just be pycell

[@PoorlyEdited540]

⁠@@codyd7841Pycelle is one of the smartest characters in the Series.

[@mattgreen7692]

​@@PoorlyEdited540 Most of the oldest characters are maesters. Going to college is a clutch move for ensuring longevity in Westeros.

[@SicFromTheKush]

It's exactly the thing they say about Barristan

[@notgoddhoward5972]

"Walduh, put the toll down Walduh" "Final warning Walduh, you gonna make Edmure marry her Walduh" -ser Michael Rivertrout. The big finger

[@the_shah_of_iran]

You're GOD DAMN RIGHT

[@niropaxum958]

*DING DING DING DING* -lord Hector of house Salamanca

[@GDSprodify]

All Hail Lord Giant Finger!

[@arthurgomes8214]

If Waldur Frey let Robb disrespect one of his daughters then next thing you know all three dozen of them would be treated like crap. Robb really said he’d rather defend the honor of some random woman with no loyalties to him and vice versa than the Frey girl who has maintained her virginity for marriage.

[@bearforfun]

ذذViolating the right to hospitality, in addition to that he was a traitor from the beginning and would have betrayed Rob under any circumstances.

[@Infamous1892]

That's cool and all, but why did he betray Robb at a Wedding instead of outright like a Man? He could have let it be known he would not renew his crown.

[@erikkarlsson9192]

@@Infamous1892 Because he had commited so much to the Northern cause. In order for his family to survive or at the very least not get completely fukd over when Robb finally loses the war he choose to try improve his families position. Only negative is how some will view them with contempt for breaking guest rights, but that usually blows over eventually, for the most part. If Robb hadn't sent Theon back home, if he hadn't executed Lord Karstark and kept his vow to the Freys. Walder would've kept supporting Robb and they'd have a good odds at winning the war. If not for these blunders after blunders the Reach would've probably stayed neutral after Renly, eventually joining whichever side getting the upper hand. With all Theon still at his side the Greyjoys might've waited a bit longer before making any move and with King Robb in a strong position and with a stronger and smarter offer they'd probably taken Casterly Rock and crowned themselves kings with the North as allies, not mere underlings to the Northern Kingdom.

[@Triplebrc]

@@bearforfun Why would an oathbreaker like Robb deserve the right of hospitality from the man who he betrayed by breaking his oath for selfish reasons?

[@alexf3036]

Those are fair points, both about future treatments of his daughters and honoring the commitment by waiting versus Rob trying to more or less salvage honor after the fact.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Walder Frey was by far the worst victim of the Tully insults considering how much money they actually brought to the Riverlands, the Twins don’t have any ancient rivalries that blow up every couple of years like the Brakens and Blackwood’s, they were loyal banner men who still answer the call to their liege lords, and they still keep to their words and oaths. Which means they were actually fighting for a unjust lord in the form the neglectful Tully who could even defend the Riverlands from Tywin raids much less his armies, the Starks who went against their oaths and promises in marriage to Robb and one of Walder granddaughters, and the Crown inability to defeat both the Tully and Starks made Walder do some drastic measures that many would consider horrible, but let’s not forget that the Stark and Tully men weren’t saints and heroes one and all in both the Riverlands and Westernlands and they killed a lot of innocent people who either work or were force by the Lannister’s to help their war efforts. Really Walder was making the best out of a bad situation his entire bloodline was in as they had a lot to lose just by being stuck in the middle of the Riverlands most vital trade route, and sometimes one has to do some really bad stuff to survive in this Game of Thrones.

[@Julian-pw5mv]

They definitely weren't loyal Bannermen lol. They were sworn to house Tully, who were on Robb's side during the war of the five kings. So a loyal Bannerman would have let Robb and his army across his bridge so they could relieve the siege on riverrun, you know, the seat of their Liège lord.

[@buntun3670]

I think they had been loyal up to this point. Say this point Walder was outspoken about how Hoster has declined all of his invitations to his many weddings. He also knew how grosses out they were o him as he touched the bum of one granddaughter while Caitlin negotiated. When you know everyone thinks you ain't shit - always serve them ain't shit attitude

[@TawakeBaka]

And something tells, that Frey soldiers are not soldiers at all. They are all Wolduh sons. All of them. Look how almost all of them identical.

[@jacobenke7936]

The Frey betrayal is 100% Hoster Tully's fault. Yes Robb broke his word, but had Hoster done his job in the first place that would never have been necessary. Cat and Lysa wed outside the Riverlands, Edmure was mid-late twenties and unwed. In what world does that make sense? The male line of the Tullys is in danger of dying out because Hoster couldn't admit that he needed to wed his son to a Frey in the fifteen years since the Rebellion. Something should have been done when the Freys didn't fight on the Trident, but Hoster did nothing. He was a greedy idiot.

[@SquashGuy02134]

The only good Tully was blackfish

[@buntun3670]

He refused to marry even though it would have been good for the riverlands

[@australianword3812]

​@@SquashGuy02134 I'd say Edmure is okay as well.

[@chaos_knight_xy]

Lets not forget how Hoster Tully had no problems wedding a woman from his weakest bannermen, House Whent, mind you, a much younger house than House Frey, then refuses an marriage offer for Edmure, despite the fact that Frey is the Riverland's strongest House, and it would be good for the Riverlands, to bind House Frey to House Tully. I despise how narcissistic house Tully is, they think Edmure's hand is more honor than Frey deserved, yet if memory serves correct, what happened to the last house that married into Tully, oh wait, right House Whent lost their seat, and you know who cares, Absolutely no ONe!

[@Triplebrc]

Walder Frey was disrespected his whole life for no good reason, and when he put in all the honest effort to honor his agreement with Rob, who's oath he trusted due to the Starks honorable reputation, even going so far as to sacrifice some of his own family for the war effort and obviously breaking his oath to serve the crown, risking his families existence for it due to opposing Tywin Lannister of all people, he gets betrayed afterwards by the same houses who always acted like they were more honorable than him, with Rob scamming him out of the just rewards for selfish reasons. How could Walder Frey be expected to keep his word from that point on? Rob broke the oath to marry one of his daughters, after you break your oath to someone once for selfish reasons you can't expect that person to take your words seriously anymore, or any other person for that matter, for all Walder Frey knew any promises made to him by the Starks and Tullies would just have the same results. People always kept reminding Jaime of the fact that he was an oathbreaker, hypocritical as hell given that all the lords partaking in Roberts Rebellion broke that same oath to the king Jaime broke, Catelyn was most persistent in this regard too, and yet she didn't see it coming that Walder Frey would not just take this betrayal. As sleazy as Walder Frey is, he is not the bad guy in this scenario at all, people just are biased against him because we are supposed to root for the Starks, even though they certainly do not deserve most of the support they get.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Exactly. May the Seven bless your beautiful soul

[@williamfrank962]

What I like about the red wedding compared to other betrayals in other fiction is that it’s totally expected after the fact. The perpetrators had justifying reasons for their actions to betray Robb, he like mentioned above put Walder in a difficult postition, didn’t listen to Bolton and killed lord Karstark to boot which didn’t help. They could say they were on a sinking ship with Robb and they wanted out. Still ruthless and betrayed honour but at the same time it felt real more so than it did fiction.

[@michaelmitchel3471]

Tell me you didn't pay attention to the show or books without telling me. Nes says it best. Jaime only served when it was safe. Everyone rebelled against the king, Jaime only did so when the rebellion was all but won(the rebellion he was on the losing side of.) Walder has never held an oath in his life, so the logic of excusing his oath breaking cuz robb did it first backfires on you because walder has been doing so since before robb was born. Also, he was never disrespected without a good reason, he diddles kids, his daughters. Some of them are inbred like in casters keep

[@Triplebrc]

@@michaelmitchel3471 Man you are utterly clueless. The kingsguard did not rebel, plenty of noble houses did not rebel but entered the war on the royal side instead, some houses stayed out of it for most of it, which is why it was an actual war that could have gone either way for the most part. Jaime served until the Mad King ordered the death of hundreds of thousands of civilians, he broke the oath to save these civilians, which he did. He kept his oath until he absolutely needed to make a choice between keeping his oath to the king, or his oath to protect the innocents. Jaime said it best to mock simple minded people, "No matter what you do you end up breaking one oath or another", to which Catelyn had no counter. Walder Frey never claimed to be an honorable man, he utterly owns Cate by making her aware that joining Rob would make him an oathbreaker same as refusing him, as he has sworn oaths to both sides of this war. He joins because Rob makes an oath to him personally to marry one of his daughters, which he breaks after the Freys have performed admirably and even lost some of their own family members in the war effort, therefore personally offending and harming Walder Frey. Rob at this point is an oathbreaker, same as Walder Frey. Breaking your oath to a powerful man you are depending on and then expecting him not to harm you in return when he has the chance was simply a dumb thing to do, making Rob both honorless and brainless.

[@KsDv-r4f]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is how huge of a role Roose had in the plan. He lost out on the chance to have his family tied to royalty when Walder did, and Bolton knew Robb was doomed after he broke his oath and let Jaime go so he and Lannisters and had been planning the betrayal ever since, which is why the last battle he fought with the Lannisters just happened to kill off the Stark loyalists while Bolton's own men survived. He also mentions big and little Walder in his speech at the wedding, reminding Big Daddy Walder that they are now in the custody of RAMSEY and he has control of Winterfell. Between the Lannisters and Bolton's, Frey didn't have much choice.

[@JamesDB2]

The criticism of the Freys collecting tolls is ludicrous; do people not understand the cost of operating and maintaining a medieval stone bridge? All of these so called “great” houses want to reap the benefits of a working infrastructure but refuse to contribute a single thing towards it. Also who do the Tullys think they are to disrespect their #1 bannerman by not attending any of his weddings? I understand possibly already having plans during one, but 8? Highly unlikely. They’re a bunch of holier than thou gingers and the only redeeming thing about them is the Blackfish. Walder Frey owed them nothing after that.

[@TawakeBaka]

Blackfish didn't came to weddings because he always have plans. Fishing, for example. And the only time he came, gone to toilet, back, and his family slaughtered. Of course he is going to skip next Walder wedding

[@JoseSanchez-fk9dg]

Because why should they come to Walder seventh marriage when they already went to his last six marriages why should they come to gate house Frey wedding when she fortieth in line for inherit. That the problem with Walder he keeps expecting everyone to give him things well giving little in return. Heck he only work with Tywin because Tywin made a new deal he didn’t give a crap about the fact Tywin sister was already married to his son. He only acts when others give him stuff well ignoring prior obligations again look at Tywin sister, after getting the marriage he did nothing for the Lannister and only agreed to the Red wedding after being promised more stuff.

[@roybrown4294]

The Based Store called... they are running out of Walder Frey

[@OurHiltsHurt]

He’s their number one best seller

[@olduglyentwife5700]

I'll find another.

[@Texmechs]

Walder also was rather kind to his children and grand children and great grand children. He knew most of their names and treated them well. They had everything. Honestly the chapter where he's calling them forth by name and talking a bit about them always came off as enduring to me.

[@TrinaMoitra]

Wasn’t that Arya masquerading as Walder?

[@williamfrank962]

Also love the fact that he hides Roslin from Robb in the show at least as she was arguably hotter than his wife. Such a troll move.

[@KsDv-r4f]

Don't forget Ramsey had his two grandchildren at Winterfell at that point and Roose low key threatens Frey during his speech at the wedding. I can't think of anything worse than having your family members in that dude's hands. Bolton had as much or more to do with the betrayal as Walder.

[@CopaExMachina]

Unalived the guy who slighted his daughter. Based dad, Walder Frey.

[@taylorstillman7932]

Walder's got balls. They're called The Twins. He's like the grumpy old guy in the neighborhood that all the kids fear. Get your frisbee stuck on his roof and he's just laughing at you, while pointing a power washer at you to keep you off his grass. You call your moms to go over there, and he tells her off too... "I didn't put that thing on my roof, get the f off my lawn ya bon-bon chomper!" Again, it's all Cat's fault. The only good Tully is the Blackfish. The Arryns are basically Tullys too now. All the dumb, bad, or evil moves of the Stark kids are all related to their Tully blood. Biggest simp=Jamie

[@OurHiltsHurt]

lol his balls are named the twins? That’s accurate.

[@uglukthemedicineman5933]

Walder's Balls are called the twins, and inbetween the twins he has a massive long strong sturdy thick bridge. And whenever people want to use it, he makes them pay for it.

[@DamienMuto]

@@uglukthemedicineman5933 they say the RIDE was worth it, every time

[@erikkarlsson9192]

Edmure wasn't that bad either.

[@taylorstillman7932]

@@erikkarlsson9192 he totally ruined the plan to hit the westerlands....he's Special Ed in my book.

[@matthiasrauert8397]

I always hated Rob for this. Just why, just marry the girl after the war or keep them waiting until the war is over. And then to make it worse he just had to bring the woman he betrayed the Freys for with him to the wedding. This is the son of Ned Stark. Just imagine what he would have done if someone did this to his family. Why the hell did Rob mary that girl so soon. EVERYBODY looses cause of this.

[@TawakeBaka]

That's why Bolton's are best friends with Walder. Roose took his daughter. The biggest. I know it's not because he can take money from Freys, that's because he is in love with big woman.

[@Luminousreign]

It is catch 22 for Robb. His honor is at stake and his mom has been poisoning his ideas on this even further with her distaste for bastards.

[@KsDv-r4f]

He didn't actually bring her to the wedding though in the book, for obvious reasons like you say, I think the show just changed it for shock value.

[@Akiraspin]

The reason the Twins is such a goated spot is because the Green Fork is extremely fast river as well as incredibly deep. The Twins sits on *the narrowest* spot on that river. You simply cannot cross it on foot or on horse. Even fording the river with rafts is incredibly dangerous, so you either pay the troll toll or you march for a thousand miles before the River shallows out at The Trident where you can finally safely cross. Robb wanted to cross the Twins so he wouldn't be sandwiched between the mountains of the Vale and the Green Fork. It's also essentially impossible to besiege because you'd have to have equal sized armies on BOTH sides of the river to siege BOTH keeps simultaneously otherwise they could just bring in food from the other side to infinitely resupply. The Frey's are basically using cheat codes for medieval warfare.

[@rogueflintlock44]

"The Late Walder Frey" < "The Based Walder Frey" You guys inspired me to finally install the game of thrones mod on Crusader kings 3 and play as the Freys.

[@Wilk32]

winter came for house frey

[@furanduron4926]

And House Frey came

[@JmenoPrijmeni-z8x]

Every now and then i do a ck3 freythrough, marry into every family and seat a frey on the seat of every kingdom

[@fletcherw32]

I’ve always said this, but if Walder Frey was a Walda (a woman) in her late 40’s, rather than an old man. Then she’d have fans everywhere as this feminist icon. The “I’ll find another” is the male version of “I have the instrument to make more.”

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Exactly. She is barely different than Olenna Tyrell

[@EyePatchGuy88]

You cannot refute this, I cannot refute this, nobody can refute this.

[@donevanjordan9201]

I can refute anything when you twist a fictional story with a concept that's not even in the story and double down on it like saying it over and over proves it to yourself

[@williamfrank962]

@@EyePatchGuy88it’s funny to think after you mentioned this, that any of the male villains in series are gender switched and that’s it, they’ll become girlboss icons instead of ruthless monsters.

[@zxylo786]

​@@williamfrank962 This reminds me of the Fire Emblem fandom. There is this arrogant, stupid, dogmatic and delusional villain in a game. She is called Edelgard. She is one of the most popular characters in the series because she is a lesbian (she isn't. But fans ignore it), she is a "girlboss" and she even completes the reddit trinity by fighting a church (which are objectively the heroes of the game. But religion bad). It makes me very angry how morons give passes just because 1-Woman, 2-Gay and 3-Against religion.

[@ChildOfTheFlower]

The Frey: no ones likes them for being new money The Tyrells: They were stewards of the Highgarden who gave the castle to the Targaryens after the field of fire. There are other Reach houses who have better claims to the South than the Tyrells.

[@vibechecker3168]

Bold strategy cotton, lets see if this works out for them

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Let us know if we gave a sufficient based defense

[@Akiraspin]

Walder's first son Stevron Frey was also an honorable, diligent, reasonable, and also a friendly man. Which implies that Walder is or at least was a very good father. That was Walders first son and heir. And Walder spent 40 years preparing him to be Lord. Stevron died for Robb, so when Robb cheats on Walders daughter it's like a quadruple slap in the face. "My son and heir that I knew longer than your mother has been alive died for your throne, and you promised to marry my daughter, then you told her to kick rocks so you could marry some random lady who took care of your injuries? Are you fucking serious? Fuck the Starks." Is what Walder is probably thinking.

[@codyhall9223]

Rights of hospitality is actually a very real old world concept irl. It shows up in many different cultures in various ways. The way I was raised (prob wrong) the idea was you have no idea if the stranger at your door was a god or angel in disguise testing your hospitality. Do good, you might get a treat! Do wrong and smiting might ensue.

[@Tyler_W]

Even the Bible talks about this. You were morally expected to provide for your guest's needs and protect them from harm, not just because you might be tested by a god or an angel, but simply because it was the righteous thing to do, and violating it, especially after giving them a sign of friendship and hospitality, was rightly considered extremely wicked and depraved. It was an egregious violation of trust and social cohesion. In GOT/ASOIAF, it makes perfect sense why it would be open season on Freys. Regardless of whatever the Starks and Tulleys did to dishonor the Freys, if they just let the Red Wedding slide, then basically nobody could be trusted. Only ruthless punishment would restore order and re-establish basic rules of common decency.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

​@@Tyler_Wthe real problem with the guest right breaking wasnt isn't even that the freys got insulted previously, it's that the freys agreed to guest right AFTER the insult, if the insult occurred inside the home after guest right it would be ok for them to do it

[@thefriendlessnorseman5282]

Walder was a good lord brought prosperity to his people and took care of all of his children how many lords in Westeros can say the same. He even took care of his bastards and bastards children and got his kids the best marriages possible.

[@matthewbentley9905]

I have finally found my asoiaf community. Free walder

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Enjoy the fun while it lasts. Also watch the comments as people spurg out about this.

[@asmo__o]

Robb dishonored his vow, and he paid the price, all fair and square

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True. The bill was due

[@AKRex]

Paid the iron price ☝

[@andrewowens4299]

Frey shouldn't have broke bread then killed his guest; because of that, he got his family killed. That's fair right there

[@asmo__o]

@andrewowens4299 Yeah, he committed a dishonorable act, but it was a response to Robb's dishonorable act.

[@lawv804]

The only thing Walder did wrong was violating guest right.

[@Tyler_W]

Absolutely.

[@oneeyedcrow]

Lol, Guest right basically means you dont invite someone to your house and then backstab them to death. When invoked, neither the guest nor the host can harm the other.

[@nont18411]

In their defense, Roose stabbed Robb in the front, not the back.

[@Tyler_W]

Exactly this. The point was upholding social cohesion and rules of conduct. The reason everybody retaliated against the Freys so harshly was because they essentially broke the social contract. If guest right means nothing, then literally nobody can be trusted, and the only way to restore some semblance of balance and order is if everyone involved gets severely punished. The only reason this concept doesn't resonate with some people today is because we still live in a relatively safe and stable society where we don't have to fear getting shanked by random strangers or neighboring clans (though that's been changing a lot for the worse lately). Guest right exists for the same reason shaking hands developed as a custom. It used to involve grasping the forearm. It was both a friendly greeting and way to make sure the other person wasn't hiding a knife up his sleeve. It was an unspoken way of saying that you mean no harm and that you're greeting someone with friendly intentions. Guest right, then, was a way to ensure that everybody could rest easy and trust that nobody was going to kill each other, or, if it involved enemies, it was to ensure that everybody was safe on neutral ground. Hospitality culture with rules like this have been common around the world for thousands of years. It's even depicted and discussed in the Bible. A mark of a righteous man was someone who showed hospitality and protection to weary travellers, welcoming them into their home for necessary food, water, rest, and protection from outside harm until they depart.

[@kratoro36]

Walder should have demanded that Catelyn marry him, after Robbs betrayal, instead Edmure marrying one of his daughters. And conveniently gottten rid of his old wife first. With his magic Walder seed she'd probably be with child in a fortnite. The win on Hoster would have been epic.

[@uglukthemedicineman5933]

Tully wombs are cursed

[@evok3226]

Ew

[@leeashley1902]

I don't like Catelyn, but to marry Walder Frey is a fate worse than death.

[@krischangroe3664]

I don't like Walder, but to marry Catelyn Stark is a fate worse than death.

[@leeashley1902]

@@krischangroe3664 Also true

[@FlaccidPhoenix]

Walder is the Genghis Khan of Westeros

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Can’t stop dropping loads of

[@lemonwho9895]

My science teacher from a couple of years ago was related to Genghis khan he looked like him as well

[@vasudhruw6843]

Bruh don't defame Gengish Khan

[@lemonwho9895]

@@vasudhruw6843 it's true I swear it

[@vasudhruw6843]

@@lemonwho9895 I am not saying to you bro I am talking to that guy

[@AmericanImperium1776]

I like the Starks but The Freys were dishonored and people don't seem to care because of the Freys' reputation.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True. Robb was more concerned about the honor he is taking away from a maiden than the honor of a house.

[@bearforfun]

Violating the right to hospitality, in addition to that he was a traitor from the beginning and would have betrayed Rob under any circumstances.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

@@OurHiltsHurt isn;t that typical stark behavior

[@TheFandomeClips]

Aha the reason they need the twins is so that they can get across to relieve the siege on Riverrun but also ambush the Lannister army and take them by surprise. They are in a real rush, that's probably the issue. I believe it's the only crossing big enough to allow an army to pass and keep the element of surprise. Any further down and you probably risk running into Tywin or getting spotted by scouts. Also, if you don't confirm an Alliance with Walder and you need to retreat... His 4000 men could potentially make life harder in your retreat and might crush you with Tywins forces etc... Just my take though :p - Thom

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Ok now make the video on how Walder sits the Iron Throne.

[@TheFandomeClips]

@@OurHiltsHurt yeah, i sent it to Liam and he's been radio silent ever since... :p - Thom

[@OurHiltsHurt]

The Freys send their regards…

[@ShogunSquabo]

Craster did nothing wrong is crazy😂😂😂😂

[@FlyRich72]

Coaster was a dirtbag. They trying to make a case for him. His? They crazy

[@bobsnow6242]

Craster did a shitload of things wrong, but he did nothing wrong in the very narrow context of the incident that got him killed where, evil bastard or not, he was basically murdered by squatting scumbags who took advantage of his hospitality.

[@buntun3670]

Did KZbin take the video down? Must be all the "good human beings" reporting videos

[@Speb101]

He’s a godly man👑

[@Kaboomboo]

When it comes to the blame game for the red wedding, everyone points to Robb first. Not Frey.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

That’s good. I’m glad most do instead of Walder. But people should be giving a Walder a pat on the back for what he did.

[@fiddleback1568]

I admired him.

[@SerSerington]

“I’ll find another.” Is the coldest line in the series.

[@JamesDB2]

What’s the real difference between Walter Frey and Olenna Tyrell? They are both famously snarky and to the point and both from very young houses. Why does everyone love her but hate him?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

It's unbelievable #Justiceforwalder

[@buntun3670]

He killed their handsome Simp in the North

[@terraincognita9614]

She’s a woman, he is not. It’s that simple.

[@furanduron4926]

Woke culture smh

[@andrewowens4299]

​@@OurHiltsHurthe broke bread under his roof then murdered his guest . Regardless of what happened before, that's a no no

[@cgil98]

Such a refreshing ASOIAF channel! The Aegon vs. Robert video was 1000% correct.

[@kanhaibhatt913]

Just a sweet old man who wants to see his family happy

[@MommalaHarris]

The only thing Walder did wrong was not ice the Starks earlier

[@Bannermann]

I have a Theory, Aemond one eye‘s son is Craster, after Aemond clapped his Sisters cheeks and then those of Allys Rivers, the idea of having many lovers and plowing your family got handed down through the genes. That means, since Aegon was the rightful ruler over Fatty Rhaenyra, Aemonds son is the rightful heir to the Seven kingdoms, meaning CRASTER is the rightful King. And I still stand by the idea that Walda should be his Hand.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

The ULTIMATE duo. Craster and a Frey. Good theory man haha

[@Bannermann]

@@OurHiltsHurt In our hearts, we all know its true. 😌

[@Papaty25]

Wait a second! This makes absolute sense. That would explain the chadness of Crastor and Walder.

[@Bannermann]

@@Papaty25 It truly does. 😃

[@rumpelstilzz]

Some nice sideline to the rat king story: The Old Gods don't care about the cannibalism part of the story, because they are quite cannibalistic themselves. It is mentioned several times that the faith of the present time Starks is actually quite soft washed version of it. Beyond the wall still, and back in the olden days when the Starks still were Kings in the North, human sacrifices where quite a thing. The Manderlys built their White Harbor Keep, since they came from the south and believed in the 7, and they did not want to reside in the Old Keep where so many people had been slaughtered as sacrifice to the old gods, their entrails decorating the god wood's heart tree. So now the Old Keep only serves as prison. Says the gaoler to Davos. Many similar stories can be heard from the wildlings, and Craster IS A GODLY MAN! Seen in that light, the gruesome habits of house Bolton are not aberrations, but remnants of a time which in Winterfell has ended, but in other places still exists.

[@Tyler_W]

Good observation. It's a subtle way of communicating the influence that the Faith of the Seven had on cultures that didn't eve, share the same faith. It's not unlike the influence Christianity has had. Modern neo-paganism is weak sauce compared to old school paganism much in the same way, in no small part because of the influence and cultural saturation of Christian ethics over time.

[@strongback6550]

Guest Rights are primarily a thing in societies where people rely on it many times for survival. People living in harsh environments tend to consider these rules highly. People needed to often rely on people to seek shelter from their fellows who they didn't necessarily know, so the immense blow on honor you received in an honor based society was supposed to allow a level of trust between otherwise strangers.

[@Notatiger-ws5no]

Fun fact walder was actually a student of craster when craster use to give lessons on how to be a chad

[@OurHiltsHurt]

In Craster we trust 🫡

[@DarkKing009]

Walder Frey > Rhaegar Targaryen

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Based and Frey pilled

[@Mr_JManM]

Walder wanted to back out of the Red Wedding, but Bolton had hostages. The famdom is full spurg on the guy cuz the 'heroes' don't like him. Stark whitewash is powerful.

[@uglukthemedicineman5933]

15:58 "He's right, he's right my lord. You can't kill him now." Glorious Voice! Lol Good video. Hyped for Roose Video! Keep up the Good work.

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Appreciate the support, our roose worship will be coming sooner or later to be sure 🙏🏻

[@spencerday2937]

Guest rite started during the heights of polytheism because the gods would disguise themselves in the stories to be unrecognizable. So you need to treat everyone as a god so you don’t piss off the gods if you kill them

[@diamondinmyeye6160]

Yes, I had always heard it was an ancient Roman thing. In a practical sense, it was mostly done with soldiers and it protected the host and guest.

[@AlexT-sy6nm]

​@@diamondinmyeye6160 Ancient Greece, it was called "xenia" (today in modern Greek it's called filoxenia aka hospitality to friends)

[@Tyler_W]

That was the pagans rationalized it, but this isn't unique to pagan cultures. Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe that it's possible that you may be interacting with angels roaming the earth as humans. It's not so much the reason why the custom exiats so much as it's a justification for why you should be careful to observe it. It's been a common custom in some form or anofher around the world for thousands of years, but mostly in Europe and the Middle East. Even the Bible talks about it, that a righteous person shows hospitality to weary travellers and provides them with rest, food, and water. A major obligation of thus was that they could allow no harm to come to their guest so long as they were guests on their property, and to allow them to come to harm, either by harming them as their host or by allowing others outside to do them harm, was an extremely wicked thing to do. It was about trust and social cohesion in a world where it wouldn't be uncommon to get jumped by bandits or rival tribes in your travels. It comes from the same place as the idea that "breaking bread" was a sign of alliance, hospitality, friendship, and general good will.

[@Argos-xb8ek]

One of the few things Walder cared for was blood relations atleast in the books its why the Freys are also so dangerous they have so many connections to different families that should one succession go contested a Frey probably has a blood claim to it and for all his repulsiveness Walder made sure everyone of his blood has a role and place to lay their head. I doubt Lord Walder had he got what he was promised would've made a choice. Then again by that point the North wasn't looking too good and Walder could've just felt it best to hedge his bets like Tywin did.

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also could you make a video about the greatest chads in 7 kingdoms as tier list. 👍😁

[@OurHiltsHurt]

We need to do that but I think our next tier list will be about the simps in Westeros

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

@@OurHiltsHurt nice video idea 👍

[@negZero529]

just finished up rewatching season 1 and noticed something all of us overlooked. Walder Frey took care of and uplifted his baby mamas. its throw away line during the first meeting with Cat. Man was single handly ending Westeros's wealth inequality

[@zeski101]

Sorry for commenting on a month-old video, but I don't think you realize the implication of the laws of hospitality. It's essentially about trust. Without trust, communications break down. Imagine if, for example, nations would kill Ambassadors of other countries because "They don't like them." Obviously, other nations would simply not send Ambassadors there. You're essentially committing a social faux pas by killing Ambassadors/Members of foreign countries which will essentially only hurt you in the long run. From a purely practical reason, it's a short-sighted move that ruins your good graces with other groups. Though, I admit, Walder Frey never had much of a good grace, all things considered... Still, the Red Wedding was a rude thing to do. The way to properly deal with that would be for him to simply tell the Starks that the deal is off and hand them off to the Lannisters. Killing was a bit too harsh of a thing to do; he overdid it.

[@SockAccount111]

dude you can comment on videos which are like 10 year old too but yeah you are right bout dat

[@brodyday6509]

House Frey is my favourite, I strongly believe Walder would not have betrayed, all in is all in ( and while they were with the starks the fought very valiantly on the front lines )

[@LuizVieiraPintoNeto]

I love this video. 'Walder Frey cares about his family' 3 seconds later: 'Bro, Walder has so many kids, he doesnt giv a fuck if he looses a son, he doesnt` have that weeknes cat has.' What the fuck XD

[@furanduron4926]

This all is just a joke relax

[@angryyoungman66]

Walder frey is the good guy ❤ He was betrayed by Rob stark and his karen mother

[@OurHiltsHurt]

True. The simp and Karen of the north were justly put down

[@postvizsla7509]

The swamps of the neck would incur massive loses from any army. They had to go thru the twins to avoid the swamps, the only other options were taking ships across grey harbor but I forgot why they thought that wouldn’t work

[@JoseSanchez-fk9dg]

Because the Manderly didn’t have a proper navy and most of their ships where merchant vessels also they didn’t have enough ships even if the commandeered all the ships.

[@puyo12345]

So, why would anyone go to the twins to present their respects to the Freys, instead of simply use the Kingroad? By creating an alliance with the Freys, Robb could establish strongholds to safeguard his rear and supply lines, preventing potential betrayal or attacks from opportunistic enemies like, well, the Freys themselves. This strategy would not only provide security for his army but also allow him to exert control over the crossing, denying it to his enemies and gaining support from the local armies. In medieval warfare, controlling key points like fortresses, castles, and strategic routes was essential for maintaining logistical support, securing territory, and protecting against enemy incursions. Without securing these positions, armies risked being isolated, surrounded, and vulnerable to attacks on their vulnerable supply lines, as you guys rightly pointed out. It didn't matter if the strongholds were in direct route or not, as long as they were in key positions. You can see this during many wars of our medieval times, armies going miles out of their way to attack/control fortresses near main targets (like cities or ports). There are multiple reasons besides the ones above, like the psychological hit to the morals, having a retreat place as the attacker in case the rest of the campaign is not going well, between others. I wanted to answer the question made in the beginning of the video. Also, Robb f it up big time, and Caitlyn didn't help, Rickard Karstark was correct, Robb lost the war the moment he betrayed the Freys.

[@arsebusquets2436]

Good point, also if Robb wanted to use the Kingsroad he would have to have travelled as far east as the Ruby Ford to begin his march Northwards up the Kingsroad. We are told in the books that the normal fords on at least one of the Green or Blue forks are flooded so crossing them on the way to the Twins and ending up on the eastern bank of the Green Fork before the Red wedding wasn't an option. Another couple of reasons is that travelling that far east to link into the Kings road is dangerous, we know the Mountain is around and lands on Rooses' army heading to the Twins from Harrenhal, plus Randyll Tarley is at Maidenpool, who could moved to intercept Robb's host as well. Plus Robb has wisely at the start, and unwisely as events unfold seperated his forces to keep the Lannisters off kilter. If he has joined with Roose coming out of Harrenhal to avoid the Twins, who know what kind of trap Roose and the Lannisters might have laid for him along the Kingsroad North if he planned to avoid the Twins. As for Lord Walder doing nothing wrong, while he is no doubt complicit in giving the go ahead for the Red Wedding, it's Roose Bolton and lame Lothar that did the main planning for it. If anyone deserves to loose their heads first and foremost it's those two. As we see from Jamie's POV at Riverrun, the Freys are on the verge of tearing themselves apart once Lord Walder pops his clogs, if Robb survived the Red Wedding keeping Walder alive as a figurehead to keep the rest of the Freys in line would probably be the wisest decision.

[@thegoochinc5359]

Raegar insults Robert by cutting his lunch so gets killed for it and Robert becomes king, Rob insults Walder by breaking his oath and Walder kills him for the insult and is considered the bad guy, that's bullshit.

[@Tyler_W]

Kind of misses the point. If the Freys turned coat on the North mid-battle and got them all killed, that might be considered devious, but they would have been understood after their agreement with the North was broken by Robb. Waldur Frey had no obligation to honor his end of the deal after Robb married another woman. Nobody in the South would have batted an eye if the Freys jumped sides, and Waldur may have been rewarded, and deservedly so. Guest right has everything to do with the reason why he was made the bad guy, because it isn't what he did so much as how he did it. He was apparently so cowardly and treacherous that he violated a sacred rite in order to more easily get away with it. If every other house allowed that to go unpunished, nobody could be trusted ever again because there would be absolutely nothing stopping people from killing their guests over petty slights or killing enemies during a parlay negotiation. The only way to restore the social contract was to punish the Freys in proportion to the treatment they showed to the people they swore to protect by bread and salt.

[@CannoliSasquatch]

Frey was jus trying to survive. So based

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Gotta respect the hustle

[@CannoliSasquatch]

@@OurHiltsHurt Exactly. Don't hate the playa hate The game

[@AbyssWatch3r]

​@@CannoliSasquatch ..of thrones right?

[@CannoliSasquatch]

@@AbyssWatch3r Should be in production as we speak.

[@davidperrier6149]

A man has a right to his vengeance. But to kill someone who came to feast with people he thought were his friends...

[@Myrcella_Rykker]

You get guest right with only bread dipped in salt when you first show up. You have no guest right if they feed you without the bread and salt at the beginning. If you are done with your guests and want them out of your holdings, or unscripted from life. You present them with a gift. Like Lord Manderly did with the two Freys, he gifted them a horse each (in the books). Also you don't have to give guest right. If a traveler (noble or not) comes to you and you greet them seated with a sword drawn across your lap. Well all bets are off...so guest right is not a free pass to do anything you want in anothers home. (Robb greeted Tyrion this way in the books)

[@Foynes1]

Who’s winning a 1v1 between the girthmeister Wyman manderley and certified load dropper walder?

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Now that’s a verses battle we need!!

[@Foynes1]

@@OurHiltsHurt who really cares about clegane bowl when you can have rotundman take on the crustiest old bastard who bangs like a shithouse door in a gale

[@Verethragna_027]

First take in which I don't agree. No, hell no. Did Walder and per extension, all of House Frey were more than justified in turning against Robb? Yes. No one would have the right to amonest them if they proclaimed undying loyalty to the Baratheon-Lannister regime after said insult. But uncallously breaking something viewed as sacred as Guest Right in order to take revenge? That's such a nice way to alienate yourself from the whole realm. Guest Right is more than just a pretty word and a promise, it is a social contract in which no matter the parties involved, issues can be solved without involving treachery or the fear or being stabbed in the back. If Guest Right isn't respected, in which one are you even expected to trust? Tywin Lannister did try to wash off his hands off the matter, and even the Sparrows; zealous believers of the Faith of the Seven, who wouldn't care less if a heathen and rebel like Robb got butchered, are pissed at the fact that not only the rite was broken in such a brutal manner, but the ones involved got REWARDED. I'm just going to say that even if the freaking inhabitants of the Three Sisters, who used to be as bad as the Ironborn and nowadays they live off scavenging the wreckage of ships they lure towards the rocks in the coast, take Guest Right seriously, Walder Frey has issues.

[@Tyler_W]

This.

[@Julian-pw5mv]

Guest right isnt dumb. Its actually quite smart and useful. Because it improves the safety of travel. It means that when one lord traveling they can stay the night at some other lords castle/keep and be reasonably sure they wont be murdered in their bed and in return they will also host other traveling nobles in their own keep. And no youre not basically invincible, guest right goes both ways, attacking your host is also breaking guest right. For example, the murder of craster by members of the nights watch was also breaking guest rights.

[@obi-wankenobi2392]

Guest right is a thing that comes from real medieval society. It dates all the way back to Roman hospitality laws and customs. Same thing with laws that protected messengers etc (although that goes back before even the Romans)

[@WritingWithMilesKhoury]

This is such a hidden gem of a channel

[@enzo.calabrese]

To answer your question, "Why do they have to take the toll bridge at the twins, and not bypass by going a different route?" is bc 'The Neck' is described in the books as being a marshlands and swamp that men sink in and parts seem like quick sand making it in-formidable for an army to pass through.

[@CorvoThan]

i think we loath the frey (beside the whole mess with the red wedding of course) because they are loathed by all other characters. But why do they loath them so much? I think it is because they demand huge prizes for using their bridge. Any lord or merchant that wants on the other side has to pay them. But if you think about it, making your money on some lords or merchant is arguable not as bad making your money through taxing your peasants. Hell i personally dont even see the issue about having a toal for what is literary your bridge.

[@krisdavis3888]

I think a lot of it is the shows fault because of the "ick" factor of a crotchety old man groping a teenager...

[@snapeinvader]

Guest rights end when the guest receives a gift from the person who invited them.

[@Leviticus_Prime]

The issue is that he openly violated guest rite. To anyone who considers honor important this is a great offense. Even people who don't like the starks and don't mind them being dead don't want to be associated with the Freys after the red wedding. It loses the freys a lot of support even from enemies of the starks. The laws of hospitality are considered sacred. To break them is seen as an affront to God's and men. On the same level as Kingslaying.

[@rjjacob101]

I love the actor who plays him on the show, that man is so wonderful at being charmingly unpleasant!

[@Godzilla00X]

Wadler did what literally every other character does, put their family first and try to better their position

[@JoseSanchez-fk9dg]

Except Walder hates the second part which is helping your new family by marriage. As a reminder Walder family is married to almost every river lord and well they are being slaughtered and besieged by Tywin men he refuses to help them but he expects them to help him and honor their oaths. It why he so scummy he doesn’t really help and will often jump at new opportunities.

[@justinhaddock7315]

I still think breaking guest rite was probably a bad move overall for them. I get it kissing the high lords ass doesn't do them any favors but breaking that rite is a big deal to damn near everyone. And just cause guest rite is given doesnt mean the guest can do anything with no repercussions

[@sycoutuber92]

Historically guest right is supposed to work both ways. If someone invites you into their home and feeds you, and you do them harm you are looked down upon. And if you invite someone into your home and feed them then do them harm, you are looked down on.

[@Sir.Abdullah_Arabicus]

Robert Stark was not as honorable as his father in promises and covenants so he get kicked out of the game .

[@MrGizturk]

Based Frey Defense

[@OurHiltsHurt]

Can’t help it. Walder is the GOAT

[@TH3DUDE0075]

Rob had to cross at the twins because he was rushing to river run to make sure the castle wasn’t taken as it would mean he would have no base of power below the neck, taking the kings road would have cost him time he didn’t have, also a lot of the hatred of the Frey’s isn’t all about what they do but how they do it - Tywin does a lot of similar things but Tywin does it with class, the Freys always seem slimy and weasely - most of them are either stupid or have a sheister used car salesman vibe and almost all of them are ugly, this is what makes people like Tywin but hate Walder

[@realdaggerman105]

Guest right goes both ways. The host cannot harm the guest, and the guest cannot harm the host. Its function is to ensure in politically unstable situations two sides can meet in safety. It also can be denied (Robb denies Tyrion guest right in Winterfell) and once it’s over, you can immediately do whatever you want (Frey pie evidence includes the fact we learn the GOAT Wyman ended guest right).

[@Ryanfinder226]

To answer the question of why he needed to cross. He needed to go west to put pressure on the westerlands to force tywin to abandon harrenhall and make to meet him in the west. This would have ensured that Tywin was too far away from the crown lands to commit any effective reinforcement to the battle of the blackwater, ensuring Stannis’ victory.

[@matro2]

Realistically, Tywin Lannister would be viewed by Westerosi history the same way as Abraham Lincoln is viewed in ours. In that they both used brutal means in order to preserve their respective unions, but would be viewed positively regardless.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

Fucking noble would not tywins actions in the red wedding would only prolong any conflict with the north

[@warmike]

He would be viewed like Slobodan Milosevic. Doing horrible things in a vain attempt to preserve a doomed union.

[@Umcarasemvideo]

15:20 Universal, every single culture in history practiced sacred hospitality. And it's reciprocal, the huest can't take a shit on his host because then he's the one who broke guest rights.

[@whbet]

I love your channel so much!!! So refreshing. Found it recently and now I’m watching each video before and while sleeping ❤

[@Dorkeydaze]

Bros creating a nation of red heads, capitalized on location making his stocks from toll skyrocket and has his family in the pocket a of the north and south doesn’t matter who wins GoT because eventually his offspring through blood will conquer anyway 😂

[@OurHiltsHurt]

All hail the godfather of Westeros, Walder

[@Dorkeydaze]

@@OurHiltsHurt bros dropping kingly loads lol

[@DVMightyMouse]

I'm pretty sure Guest Right goes both ways. You can't harm the host that just gave you their protection.

[@jadenpitt7893]

Can we please do a video on why Maegor is the greatest Targaryen there was

[@jacklu1611]

Maegor the wise! Maegor the necessary!

[@uglukthemedicineman5933]

Maegor is the only cool Targaryen, the rest are lame

[@jadenpitt7893]

@@jacklu1611 YES! 😤💪

[@jadenpitt7893]

@@uglukthemedicineman5933 there’s some other great ones. It’s the sheer disrespect Maegor gets that’s unbelievable

[@uglukthemedicineman5933]

@@jadenpitt7893 in fandom? I've seen nothing but praise for him.

[@MoonMan3X]

Still team wolf🐺, but this deff put things in a different perspective lol🤷🏽‍♂️

[@OurHiltsHurt]

I mean we like the Starks too but they are getting in there own way

[@hibiscus779]

I completely agree with this video. Minimum bloodshed, stopping the war, best for the realm, honor served, golddigger westerlings and oathbreaking snob starks put in their place

[@jakobfriedrich14]

One of Walders sons is also married to a lannister, so it made sense to side with them when relationships with the starks soured

[@AmericanWrathchild]

Took Arya having a whole ass Punisher/Dr Strange arc to stop that menace. Frey all day.

[@ToeKnife166]

I’d also like to add that Ramsey Snow deserved better

[@jeremySocal619]

Guest Right expires when parting gifts are traded.

[@rrgale55]

The guest/host relation is definitely a difficult one to pinpoint. I remember as a soldier over in iraq if all else failed you could ask one of the people to consider you as their guest. If they said yes, even the enemy couldnt intrude on that. But then again nobody ever did. At least that i knew of. Point is, its been around for a very long time.

[@razakhan23465]

Remind me to never invite you guys for dinner 😅

[@duckling3615]

Robb had to cross the Twins to get to Riverrun to lift the siege. Regardless Walder did the good thing by teaching his "lord" that he must be treated as an equal.

[@fletcherw32]

He wasn’t teaching shit, he has no reason to believe Robb has an heir at this point, he created a huge power vacuum. Just for clout.

[@duckling3615]

@@fletcherw32 where is the bad thing??? A chad creating mayhem for clout is the definition of doing the correct thing. Also he did teach Robb something, RESPECT. One must know that they might be the king but REAL power relies in the CHADNESS.

[@rockargen9591]

@@duckling3615 Walder didnt really teach Robb anything, your student cant learn when they are dieing from a knife in the heart.

[@wolves600]

Guest rights are a major deal and violating those is awful according to the books ifirc even literal bandits follow guest rights

[@FullsendV8]

"If only i had a beautiful old man that could take this role for me. Its Walder baby"

[@EliteKnight97]

Guest right was originally a Scottish thing I think, to encourage peace times and communication between the clans

[@Tyler_W]

Some version of it has existed across Europe and the Middle East in some form or another for thousands of years, even today in some cultures. It all essentially means the same, am offering of hospitality, alliance, protection, friendship, and good will. It's a sacred thing in every culture in wbich it's practiced, and violating it is extremely wicked because it compromises trust and social cohesion.

[@ahmedosman1327]

Three reasons I can see why Rob went through the Twins is 1.) because they were marching to take Casterly Rock and wanted to go through the Twins, 2.) they wanted Walker’s men, 3.) the King’s Road leaves you open to ambush from other armies and/or the brotherhood without banners.

[@zaxx]

Henceforth the family formerly known as "Frey" shall be referred to as "GigaChad"

[@Tyler_W]

GigaFrey

[@footwearisoptional8766]

I've long held that the problem with society is that we're being ruled by a bunch of guys that any self-respecting hunter-gatherer tribe would have made sure had a hunting accident. If a Walder Frey arose in the Hill Tribes, rest assured that he would have been on the front line the songs sung would not have been of his heroism.. Choking off what's supposed to be a communal resource (access to the other side of the river) to personally enrich yourself would be f... how are the Freys at protecting their own peasants? Is he extorting food from them to feed the Lannister Army? One of his sons pisses the wrong Lannister off, the whole house gets exterminate. I've been entertaining a theory just of late that the Rat Cook was a Frey. It got tripped in my head when I was listening to a reread of one of the Theon/Reek chapters. Walder Frey violated guest right and murdered the King in the North, and a child named Walder Frey is murdered in the North and the way D&D served me my Frey Pie was just cheap. Walder really is consuming his young in a way, he doesn't care if his sons die, he'll just make more in the name of House Frey. When he dies and the would-be heirs turn on each other, that'll be pretty much it for House Frey as a Great House. If the House doesn't manage to get themselves killed by the Lannisters (and this is a shaky alliance, guest rite was actually an important factor in maintaining alliances- kill a guest beneath your roof and nobody will want you under theirs) and Wyman Manderly gave three nice palfreys to make sure he couldn't be accused of violating it) I think the Old Gods have beef with House Frey going back Millenia.

[@TheCmascagni]

In show, Littlefinger has told Kat that Lannisters still have Ayra. So when she makes trade (on show), she thinks it’s for both her daughters.

[@Slothi_Deathi]

doesn't matter, in westeros a host can't kill their guests, it is against the gods and the traditions

[@SockAccount111]

My boy Roose did nothing wrong either, imagine trying to babysit your king who keeps Fing up and dooming your cause till you can't take it any more and you finally snap