What If Robb Stark Honored His Marriage Pact with House Frey

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What If Robb Stark Honored His Marriage Pact with House Frey? Let’s explore the depths of it in the video.
As Robb’s host gathers in the Twins in preparation for their march back North, he stands by the Lord’s table for an announcement. He wishes to be married to his bride right away. Everyone from the Northern Lords to the Freys, and even Catelyn is surprised by this request.
While it was expected that Robb would have to marry the Frey girl sooner or later, many had expected it to wait until after the war. Walder is the first to respond and gladly accepts this request. He orders for his daughters to be brought forward for Robb to choose while orders are made to prepare a feast. Robb eventually chooses Roslin Frey and a ceremony commences.
As the celebration commences, they are interrupted when Walder Rivers and Ser Hosteen arrive, announcing they have a gift to present King Robb. This is the Hound, bound in chains and surrounded by spearmen and a young traveling companion. Though dressed as a boy and covered in dirt, Catelyn immediately recognizes her daughter.
She shouts for her to be released and hurries to embrace her, tears streaming down her eyes as the two hold each other tight. Robb manages to keep his composure though his lip quivers. As the three reunite, all the Northmen cheer and applaud, seeing the family reunite. Arya convinces Robb to take the Hound in his household as a guard, assuring him that she wouldn’t have reached here without him.
While the rest of the lords celebrate this event and see it as a good omen for their coming campaign, Roose Bolton broods in the corner, glancing at the Freys and then at the other lords, thinking of his next move.
When the northern forces march out, they follow Robb’s plan to retake Moat Cailin without much issue. As predicted, the Ironborn are unprepared for this assault, and with their garrison weakened, they are in no position to seriously challenge the Northern army. Soon, the castle falls to them without much issue.
As the North crosses the neck, its forces begin to disperse as each lord returns to their castle and secures it from the Ironborn. With few forces and without Balon’s leadership, these holdouts fall quickly.
Winterfell is taken almost without a fight, allowing the Starks to resettle and rebuild. Catelyn focuses all her efforts on restoring the castle while Robb receives word from the Night’s Watch about Wildlings. Although exhausted from the war, he knows he cannot ignore their plight and reluctantly leaves Roslin with his mother.
While they are back in Winterfell, Arya demands to be trained to fight. To her surprise, Catelyn agrees. After everything that happened, she is more than happy to let Arya learn to protect herself. However, she doesn’t allow the Hound to train her as Arya suggests, instead selecting Dacey Mormont who trained her younger sisters.
However, there is trouble with the Wall as while Robb rides out, he finds that he isn’t the only king there. Stannis arrived as well and managed to scatter the wildling host. Despite that, Robb continued the chase, having more cavalry, and capturing many more.
While Robb is grateful, he still refuses to swear allegiance to Stannis. Meanwhile, Stannis expects support from the North. Seeing this, Jon Snow steps in and comes up with a compromise.
Together, they captured thousands of wildlings and these could be given to Stannis. However, Jon warns that these wildlings are not feudal troops and pride their freedom. If he wants to win them over, he must win them over with the promise of loot while promising their families will be kept safe in the Gift.
Robb concedes to this and allows any volunteers who wish to join Stannis will do so without punishment. He says this, not expecting many to take his offer, but House Karstark pledges troops and Lord Bolton agrees to a meeting with Stannis.
Roose Bolton sits at the high table, pale eyes gleaming as he watches Stannis Baratheon across the room. The King in the Narrow Sea stands rigid, and Ser Davos Seaworth flanks him.
Roose: My lord king. I trust the Dreadfort has proven… adequate.”
Stannis: Enough of that, Bolton. You asked for this meeting, answer me straight. Do you intend to declare for me?
Roose: Oh yes and no. I will send men to support you and lead them, but not openly. The North is bleeding, broken and the Young Wolf’s rule cannot last. The North cannot win this war, not with Robb Stark at its helm. But you, my king… you can. And I can help.”
Davos: Help how?
Roose: I offer you men. My forces, along with those of Houses Dustin and Ryswell. They grow restless under Stark’s leadership.
Stannis: And what price do you ask for this betrayal?”
Roose: My house’s survival, of course. A place of power in the new North you will rule.
Davos: You speak of betrayal as though it’s just another trade. Why should we trust you?”
#gameofthrones #robbstark #gameofthroneswhatif #whatif

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

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[@sarcasticsid5589]

Come on people hit the damn like button! I wanna hear this 😂

[@chipkolat4055]

sooooo were was grey wind when rob die ? i think you mean rob meet roose in battle and grey wind bite of rooses head as rob never want into battle with out grey wind

[@DarkVeghetta]

14 hours in and the video's nearly at 1k likes. Methinks you'd better start on that script.

[@Mattehchan]

I want a part 2 MISTER THEORIST!

[@mrgreen6980]

1.6k likes. Where is our part 2? 👋

[@augustomourao2486]

I don't think Stannis would take this deal. He is very honorable, and would not use shenanigans to win.

[@wyatt2918]

I also doubt that roose would do this either as he is an opportunist not a schemer

[@dcrews100]

He burned his daughter alive to win when he was desperate enough. He is a zealot in his belief of his claim and is surrounded by zealots who gas him up constantly. He'd take the deal if he believed it would help him win the throne.

[@noratheweeb9387]

​@@dcrews100perhaps, but one thing Stannis doesn't do is tolerate oath-breakers. He'll send a shadow baby or cave in to pressure from Zealots, but he would boil himself in oil before letting someone break their oaths in his presence. Just as he would have burned Castle Black to the ground had he been alive to hear of their betrayal of Jon Snow, he would burn Roose alive for betraying Rob. Cuz yeah, he's a zealot (at least in the show) but he doesn't tolerate oath-breakers, and Davos, I seriously doubt, would even attempt to try to get him to trust people who would so easily turn on their liege lords.

[@DominionSorcerer]

@@dcrews100 show Stannis wasn't a zealot in his beliefs in the Lord of Light, only in his claim to the throne.

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

@@dcrews100 I sincerely doubt that. He only burned his daughter when he had lost a lot of hope. Without this circumstance Stannis has displayed himself to be a black and white rigid thinker with a distaste for dishonorable people. He would never make a deal with Roose Bolton. He would have Roose’s head for being a traitor.

[@johannesreus5154]

Roose wasn't always gonna betray robb. He married a Frey girl as Robb got engaged to one so he'd be part of the royal family in the north. I don't think he'd have betrayed robb of he honored his pact

[@Argos-xb8ek]

Roose isn't an idiot either. By the third book the North is fucked. Alot of Northern holdfasts and keeps have been attacked by the Ironborn on their pillaging. The Riverlands is in complete disarray with bands of Ronbs Forces Lannister Loyalist and mercenaries committing crimes destroying villages and killing people setting up for a terrible famine once Winter sets in. Roose saw that Robb was at his weakest point politically and took the chance to usurp the North for himself.

[@kevmey6]

Came to hear to say this

[@iskenderaknc7460]

Yeah this guy is a 3 times gold medalists in the Mental Gymnastics lol

[@sammycakes8778]

Roose is definitely an opertunist, by the time he betrayed Rob there were no Starks left to even punish him and the Lanisters were promising him Winterfell. Legit if Rob never beheaded that Karstark,never sent Theon to the iron islands, and never broke his oath to Frey and kicked sent his mom home before she could free Jamie he would not have even thought about it.

[@She-Devil94]

I'm not sure. He still only sacrificed Stark men when confronting Tywin and secured all of his men. He was definitely planning something at that point.

[@jdgreen1802]

Stannis would not except that offer. Yes he burned his daughter but that’s was only AFTER his men were half depleted, Ramsey sacked their camp in the night burning all their supplies and releasing their horses and the road where completely covered in snow. He was desperate to take winterfel because if he didn’t his entire army would’ve died. If he has everything you gave him in thus scenario, there’s no chance he’s working with the Boltons especially if Roose is blatantly breaking his oath. Remember stannis damn near didn’t even fight for Robert during the rebellion because of his oath to the crown, only deciding to do so because it was his role and duty as the second born to fight for his brother

[@dominicellis6185]

I disagree. Stannis felt that fighting for Robert was almost a coin toss against fighting for the mad king. If he believes in loyalty to royalty in those circumstances, then anyone who supported him over the "usurper" robb(ert) stark would be NOT committing treason, whereas the "loyalist" lords would be traitors, just like the Stormlanders that followed their leige lord into rebellion against Stannis by following Storm's End. He didn't condemn the Florents that followed him initially, despite them "betraying" Renly. Nor all the Stormlanders that followed him instead of Margaery or Edric Storm

[@jdgreen1802]

@ No that down right incorrect this was Stannis reasoning word for word: “My brother, Robert Baratheon had raised the banners of Storm’s End, our ancestral castle, against the Mad King, Aerys. Jon Arryn of the Vale and Eddard Stark of the north stood with him, and Hoster Tully of the Riverlands would join. But their lands were far from ours, and separated by the combined strength of the west, the Reach, and King’s Landing itself. Even Robert’s own lords were against him. It was the hardest choice I’ve ever made. My brother or my king. Blood or honor. Aerys ruled by right of all the lords in Westeros. Everyone knew the price of defiance, but there are deeper, older laws. The younger brothers bows before the elder. I followed Robert.” He choose Robert due to his belief in the old laws and the honor of blood. To your second point he accepted those man because renly was dead and that’s was his plan from the start. He literally killed renly because he knew it would make the stormlands fall back under his control. Stannis would never except someone into his ranks who is admitting without shame that he is betraying his oath. And even more so telling him that he makes no promises of staying loyal to him. Yall look at his actions and just think he is willing to been his honor them moment it helps him but that has literally never been the case. He ONLY does so when he literally has no other options. 1. If he didn’t assassinate Renly they would’ve lost most of their forces fight each other and ultimately losing to the Lannisters 2. If he hadn’t been so beat down leading up to the battle of winterfel he would’ve never sacrificed his daughter 3. He could’ve easily abused his power to strong arm Jon into helping him after he saved the nights watch 4. He could’ve easily done way worse things to Gendry but instead told Mel to only use his blood rather than sacrificing him And there’s more moments than just that but those are just off the top of my head. I’m not saying that under zero circumstances he would work with Roose, but given how much he rebolstered Stannis army in this what if. He would have zero reason to accept an offer from someone who is literally showing him he has no loyalty

[@Kingslayer54]

@@dominicellis6185Stannis would not trust Roose at all. For all his faults he’s a just man. He wouldn’t allow a great house like the Starks to be removed by the Boltons as Wardens of the North.

[@dominicellis6185]

@@jdgreen1802 @jdgreen1802 hmmm a very good point. How is Roose Bolton related to Robb again? Don't generalise people you don't know to satisfy your confirmation bias and you'll appear much less silly. I never said he is willing to trade his honour easily, you're projecting that. Yeah, he grinds his teeth a lot, and fucking hates forgiving Renly's lords. But he does so to be pragmatic in pursuit of his ambition. As it says in YOUR quote: "blood" supercedes honour. There is no mention of the feudal oath owed to regional lords in his justification, so clearly, to him, the oath to your rightful king is more important. To Stannis, Robb is not a rightful king and never was. He (arguably) murdered him with blood magic through Roose Bolton as an unwitting instrument, and certainly intended to. I don't think he'd be reluctant to accept and pardon Wyman Manderly if he knew about Frey pies, do you? So any oaths from Roose to Robb are null and void in his eyes. "Old" does not equate to the old gods and guest-right, but specifically to family. The only change in the context is you don't like Roose and you do like Stannis. Not recognising his flaws and hypocrisies makes him a much more boring and less real character. The whole point of the series is one person's hero is another's villain. As Stannis says many times, he has no love for the Starks, and Robb is a usurper.

[@jdgreen1802]

@ you typed all that to still be wrong. HE SERVED ROBERT IN THE REBELLION BECAUSE HE WAS BLOOD HE WOULD NOT EXCEPT ROOSE WHO IS ADMITTING TO BE AN OATH BREAKER nothing in what I said says that roose is tied to rob by blood he’s tied to him by OATH Stannis literally wanted to kill Tywin and Jamie for being oath breaker even when he was in opposition to the mad king. Guess you forgot that part huh? You’re trying to bring up all this other BS and change the subject that STANNIS DOES NOT WORK WITH THOSE WHO BREAK THEIR OATHS Him not liking Robb doesn’t mean he would just willingly except a snake into his camp just to get rid of Robb. Everything Stannis did in the story that went against his own honor was due to the fact HE HAD NO CHOICE In the context of this what if ROOSE OFFERS NOTHING HE WOULD NEED. Keyword NEED IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS STORY Stannis has he army replenished Has a foothold in the south Tywin is dead Joffrey is dead HE HAS ZERO INCENTIVE TO EXCEPT A BACKSTABBER LIKE ROOSE WHO IS ADMITTING THAT HE WONT BE LOYAL

[@washingtoncommandcenter5541]

Robb marrying Roslyn kills ANY chance of Frey or Bolton betrayal, with the reward for his success outweighing just about any alternative(it also destroys Ramsey's chance of legitimacy, regardless of age Roose is gonna value an heir related to the Northern royal family above his bastard) I Also don't think you quite understand Stannis, or at the very least are massively underestimating Melisandre. Stannis is like a slightly more rigid and brutal Ned, honorable to a fault. Even for his benefit, he wouldn't accept Roose's treachery, especially against the son of the man who gave his life to put him on the throne. Even if he did take Roose and his men into his service, Melisandre would sniff out the double cross well ahead of the battle and probably set up an elaborate trap for the Lannister/Tyrells( payback for the Blackwater/ a stand-in for the suspected frozen lake trap in the upcoming battle of ice) With Roose burning at the stake as the center-piece distraction. Roose was also one of Robb's top generals, a "Body Double" isn't going to work for the kind of face-to-face interactions he had with Robb either. Alternatively, to Roose trying to defect, I think Stannis and Robb would form an alliance, and with the knowledge that Ned gave his life because he thought Stannis was the rightful king Robb would back him, almost ready to give up Northern independence. Until surprisingly Davos convinces Stannis( with a nice long "Beggin your Pardon your grace, but" Ned Stark was just as responsible for overthrowing the Targaryns as Robbert, and in the end, his brother realized it when he went all the way to Winterfell to retrieve Ned to help him rule. Also, the 7 Kingdoms being united in battle is what really matters, not who bends the knee to who. As long as the North will stand with Stannis against the threat beyond the wall they can govern themselves.

[@balrog262]

This.

[@balrog262]

Stannis needs to make himself High King.

[@RodrigoCen7456]

Yeah I don't see the Boltons betraying the Starks in this scenario. If Robb never met Jeyne Westerling as this scenario states that means Robb never loses Frey support so he still has their entire army marching with him. Roose only betrayed Robb after he lost the Frey and Karstark support, and while Robb still may lose the Karstarks (the extra manpower could probably recapture Jaime) it won't be enough to get Roose to flip. Especially since he also married a Frey, so now House Bolton is also connected to the Royal family.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

Not losing Freys doesn't mean they have the men to win. Roose is a pragmatic man. he felt the war was lost already

[@RodrigoCen7456]

@godemperorofmankind3.091 Again he felt the war was lost because they lost so many men due to Robb's political mistakes. The Boltons are opportunistic not 4D chess players. Without the Frey's support the Red Wedding simply doesn't happen, meanwhile Joffery is still poisoned along with Tywin getting killed a few weeks later. So the Lannisters would be seen as unreliable at that point. Stannis doesn't really have anything to offer, as he doesn't really have the strength or authority to make Roose warden of the North.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@RodrigoCen7456 without the Freys, Robb is still impossibly outnumbered and outmatched in every way.

[@sammycakes8778]

I'd say sending Theon to the iron islands which ultimately cost him winterfell and made many think his brothers were dead also had a huge effect. They thought Rob was the only male Stark left alive.

[@dcrews100]

Rob wouldn't have lost any tactical battle. He was a battle genius. If Roose's betrayal would lead to his death it would have to be something off a conventional battlefield.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Battle geniuses lose all the time. Battles can turn in a second and tactics only matter so much. Rob is smart but he’s 15 and has next to no experience, and experience often matters way more than planning. There’s no such thing as a commander who can’t lose. Especially against a more experienced and seasoned commander

[@DominionSorcerer]

At some point there's only so much a battle genius can do when he's faced with increasingly larger armies and suffer losses he can't replace.

[@dcrews100]

@emilybarclay8831 The narrative in which Rob was written was along the lines of an Alexander the Great - he won every battle he fought for a reason and that was because his character was meant to show a larger point. It would be out of character for him to loose in a conventional tactical battle

[@dcrews100]

@DominionSorcerer There have been instances in real history when a smaller force lead by a genuine commander overcomes a larger force in battle, like Hannibal, or Alexander or Julius. The way Rob's character was written he was portraying a competence along these lines, his loss was due to his non battlefield decisions.

[@DominionSorcerer]

@@dcrews100 yeah, but unlike them, Robb was fighting a losing war. He won every battle, but his allies lost several and his entire kingdom was thrice outnumbered by his enemies.

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

This seems openly wrong on multiple fronts. Without even getting very far into the video you start theorizing about how Roose Bolton will betray Robb in this timeline instead of what happened. Why do you assume Roose would betray Robb at all? Martin has directly stated (as it was theorized) that Roose Bolton was not out to get Robb early on. Bolton saw Robb make mistakes and decided that Robb could not be trusted to lead the north. The two big mistakes being executing Karstark and breaking his marriage vow. If we are discussing an alternate timeline where Robb doesn't make these mistakes, then we need to discuss the possibility of Roose staying loyal to Robb. Roose was a man who's loyalties weren't decided at the start of the series. He was ready to take the best offer on the table. And if Robb made the right choices then Roose would have died a loyal man. In his own way Roose tried to guide Robb down the "right" path. Roose only was willing to betray Robb after Robb rejected Roose's advice and after Robb lost heavy support for being an oath breaker.

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

Yeah, it feels like he was trying to create plot twists and an interesting story for the video. Instead of being more accurate and realistic.

[@DominionSorcerer]

@@BrotherHood-xh9sg he's not creating anything, most likely. It's an AI voice speaking so I wouldn't be surprised if ChatGTP wrote it.

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

@@DominionSorcererdisliked because youre speaking as if you know

[@quadeong7453]

Because he was already plotting to betray Robb at this point of the story. This takes place in ASOS when Roose already undermined the Starks in several ways.

[@michaelbob937]

Its ai idk what you expect

[@philippeblais8594]

Right off the bat, there is a glaring inconsistency. Robb made the pact to marry a Frey girl during the events of book 1. While Sandor and Arya begin traveling together during book 3. So Sandor cannot be at the twins with Arya at that time.

[@quadeong7453]

This takes place in a storm of swords not a game of thrones.

[@Linkskyfyre]

@@quadeong7453 It can't because the whole theory is based off Rob marrying the girl right there and then when the proposal was initially made, not on his return for the red wedding. Phillip is correct.

[@DrownedInExile]

The Hound would have torn Ramsey into little pieces and stomped all over them. Then he would have gotten mad!

[@jaredbrady5566]

Yeah, this one ain't it. If Rob doesn't betray the Freys and Tywin dies first, Roose stays loyal until the War is over at least.

[@alexnunn2161]

What if after the rebellion, ned was able to convince robbert to send jamie to the wall?

[@SpongeWatches]

This is a great one!

[@Grey_OSN]

God, imagine a Jaime Lannister with the naivety of the Nights”’s Watch being an honourable duty gets worn down and becomes the Jaime from the original books only to have a Jon Snow come and remind him of himself.

[@M.L.official]

I'm pretty sure tywin would get him out of the watch lol

[@Grey_OSN]

@@M.L.official Tywin couldn’t, the reason why Robb suggests freeing Jon from the Night’s Watch is because they take the same oaths as the Kingsguard and Joffrey had dismissed Barristan Selmy. Tywin wasn’t all that powerful under Robert’s rule. He abused his son and daughter and grandkids and Tywin sat in Casterly Rock silent as the grave.

[@miketomszak8168]

This one is pretty weird. Stannis wouldn't take the offer. Also I find it incredibly odd that somehow bolstering his numbers with more Rivermen leads to defeat at the hand of Bolton soldiers. 1 + 1 don't add up to 2 here.

[@firstAdriel]

Robb starting his campaign south with a "small army" is a wrong notion. Robb said when he wld go north he can muster up more men because the 20k soldiers they had gathered were mostly the winterfell stark soldiers and the hurried lords bringing some 100's to some 1000 none cld muster their 50% force. Robb wld take time to gather a host and it wld likely be a 40k to 45k like it is usually when the north marches south. Then accompanied by the riverlands who were mostly ravaged wld end up wth 10k-15k. basically him marching south once completeling solidifying the north wld give him the win in the war of the 5 kings.

[@DominionSorcerer]

They marched south with 20k men in the show, a lot of those men died in the south. The Riverlands couldn't muster that many forces for a northern campaign, they'd still have to be in the Riverlands, defending their homeland against the Lannister-Tyrell alliance who, regardless of what Robb does to increase his numbers, would still outnumber him twice over and they will conquer the Riverlands while Robb is battling in the North, which is a campaign that will take well over a year. He's not winning the War of the Five Kings regardless of what he does.

[@charlottewalnut3118]

So you forgot the fact that he has a psychic on his side like a literal psychic who can see the future through fire Melisandre would sniff out Bolton faster than a snake finds a rat

[@armandocerrud8652]

This is SO much better than the TV series 😅

[@t-revyourengine4967]

My only issue is that Rob Stark was more cunning then losing control and charging against Roose, and his direwolf didn't protect him somehow. Also Davos disappeared with Stannis' body, never to return? It would have been cool if Davos told Rob of the Bolton's betrayal so Rob sent in his own body double to win the battle like he did against the Lannisters. At the end he could even stab Roose in the heart saying "The Baratheon's send their regards."

[@Fiercetits]

Stannis would’ve executed Roose for his treachery, he would have no use for him with Robb giving him troops.

[@evan-bunch-of-numbers]

The Freys do absolutely nothing in this one

[@Lolpy.]

They wouldn’t have any reason to. All Walder cares about is his family and the upholding the pride for it. If Robb respected that, he would be perfectly fine living out his last days working with Robb.

[@evan-bunch-of-numbers]

@Lolpy. I guess I just expected them to be more involved in this scenario

[@toxicity791]

@@Lolpy. Walker caring about his family is why their inaction in this seems wrong to me. His reason for being so hung up on Robb breaking the marriage vow was him wanting his grandchild to be the next ruler the North - the Freys always seeking to raise their station and whatnot In this scenario he got that. If the Starks fall, his daughter but more importantly (to him) the child she’s carrying is dead. He wouldn’t want that.

[@georgeprchal3924]

Just like they do with most things, nothing.

[@vincentd5228]

The respect I have for you is endless, here is someone making incredible content who obviously has impeccable and thorough understanding of the universe and it’s very obvious your soul is in this project. It feels like George is writing these himself, the detail you and lore accurate thinking and decision making is just breathtaking. I need to see this channel and series continue forever.

[@DominionSorcerer]

It's ChatGPT writing it.

[@DizzyedUpGirl]

I like any theory that allows Cat to know her daughters are alive. She died not knowing that Arya was okay

[@georgeprchal3924]

Good she's the worst.

[@DizzyedUpGirl]

@georgeprchal3924 do not get me wrong, she's a dunce. She ruined a lot of Robb's plans. But it sucks that she, a mother didn't know her babies would end up okay, except Rickon of course. But maybe if she wasn't dead, she would have told him to zig zag

[@bhavyakjain]

What Uf Little Finger didn't betray Ned Stark after Robert's death and Bed became Regent ? What if Khal Drogo survived ? What if Jon Arryn survived ? What if Ned Stark became king after the rebellion ? What if Renly & Stannis joined forces during Catelyn's peace envoy to Renly ? What if Starks joined Stanniw instead of Renly ? What if Oberyn won the Trial by Combat against the Mountain ? What if Job Snow was legitimised by Ned Stark early on? What if Rhaegar married Lyanna openly instead of eloping ?

[@rampage0092]

I don’t see Robb dying the way he did on the field here. Like others said, he’s a genius in combat, and is battle tested, nor do I find Rose competent enough a warrior to hold off Robb the way he did here. I think like in canon, you had to tip your finger on the scale to make this work lol.

[@stevenli7931]

I absolutely love these videos. Please do sequels on all of them!

[@phongtonutadej]

This was unlikely to happen,but the story was fun. 😊

[@Kingslayer54]

Love your content but the writing for this “what if” ain’t it. Many characters are acting out of character. Stannis, Roose, the Northern houses, etc etc. The Tyrells would not go to war for the Lannisters if Tywin is dead.

[@basileusbman8910]

Yay!! You posted again! Gosh I needed a picker upper! 🎉

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

Gotchu bro 😎

[@harveywittii9323]

Awesome 👏 An excellent project and What If Stories. Great. We need more stories.

[@Capodraste]

I'm starting to think you do love your lord Bolton 😁

[@bogeyhd7365]

I literally cheered when the hound saved the girls.

[@Fabio-Jose-DragonKing]

Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

My pleasure!!

[@anngleeson4736]

He'd be King. He was a brilliant battle tactician and had the political smarts of a turnip.

[@eddiethepothos2648]

Stannis is almost as honorable as ned stark he would never except that deal

[@cmd31220]

Yeah theres 2 massive problems with this. #1 is Stannis would never accept Bolton's deal. That level of treachery would be unacceptable to him, especially since at this point in the story it would get him no closer to the iron throne in the short term. At least when he killed Renly, it was to secure his own claim and consolidate the Baratheon forces that, at the time, very well could have included the Tyrells. Making an eternal enemy of the majority of the Northern houses for a few thousand men is not something hed be willing to nuke his own honor for, and hed likely just put Bolton on a pyre then and there. #2 is Roose Bolton would never make that offer. He's arguably the most patient player in the entire series, and his strokes are long planned out and secure. If there is risk, he doesnt move, instead plotting a safer course and waiting again. The only reason he signs onto the Red Wedding in the first place is because hes dealing with Tywin Lannister and Walder Frey, the 2 most duplicitous men in Westeros. He has nothing to risk by engaging in treachery and doing something as serious as violating guestright and slaughtering the Starks with the two of them because theyd be giddy at the prospect even if it was entirely his idea. This scenario has Bolton acting like Littlefinger, erratic and unpredictable without keeping much of his cards to his chest publicly. Hes not the chaos guy, and this scenario has like 4 double-crosses

[@harveywittii9323]

Stanners should’ve realized Lord Bolton was a double crossing weasel, and his illegitimate son was just as bad as he was or worse. He also wrote to Queen Searcy, making her an offer to help betray his king of the north, and Stanis. He should’ve realized none of them could be trusted, except for Rob and maybe the night’s watch

[@samueltaylor3909]

The battle of Summer hall here reminds me of the English Victory at Agincourt.

[@МаратБулатов-х2ю]

If Robb survives the war of five kings, he would have to fight Stannis at the wall and most likely kill him. Stannis would never agree to leave north for the Starks, he said in the books a lot of times, that he despises young wolf and think of him as an enemy, why people keep forgetting about that?

[@Slender_Man_186]

A few issues, for one if Rob immediately wed the Frey, why does this start at the end of Book 3? And I also just don't see Stannis accepting Roose's offer, frankly I think Rob and Stannis would be more likely to become allies.

[@quadeong7453]

I think it meant Robb married the frey girl immediately affer returning west

[@endersgameover]

Why would Stanis accept that deal but refuse to honor Rob’s offer? Your guesses are weak.

[@equusquaggaquagga536]

Robert honored his marriage on the surface See how happy and alive he was?

[@simonpierre8283]

What if Theon stayed loyal

[@jesselandgraab3386]

This was a great watch as usual but most of it would never happen because of how extremely honor bound Stannis is.

[@3ggh3ad]

i think rob would take casterly rock first, since that is what he needed the frey forces for, stannis would probably take kings landing as tywins forces would probably head for casterly rock to stop robb

[@KeyMasterX]

A Hound Among the Wolves.

[@vincentd5228]

Here are my what if’s , 1. What if lucarys valaryon didn’t die to Aemond one eye 2. What if oberyn won against the mountain 3. What if D&D could write good endings

[@davidhoffman5563]

First of all, I want to thank you for expanding your videos to include GoT. I’ve been saying to myself for some time that GoT needed your treatment. I rarely comment on videos, but yours are worth commenting on. My suggestion for a GoT “what if” would be “What if Melisandre were to actually get all of her prophecies correct.” Thanks again for these videos. My other request for these would be, please don’t do crossovers with the GoT videos. Those are usually my least favorite of the Star Wars videos. However, once in a while there might be one that I like.

[@themutualfriend5286]

Stannis 'The Mannis' Baratheon is an honorable man.

[@Zoness1124]

The very first thing I want to say is this was a fun listen so if nothing else take that away. I know it's just a thought experiment but I feel like it veers a little too OOC too early. TLDR this plot kind of stumbles (edit: for me) because it seems to suggest the idea that Robb and Stannis can meet with their armies at the Wall and just agree to disagree, and that hurts everything that follows from that point. Not so TLDR: Stannis isn't compromising with Robb. Not if he's still calling himself a king. Mannis was barely willing to offer a deal to his baby brother, the man took Davos' fingers for being a smuggler whose smuggling saved his life, and Robb is literally claiming 3 of the 7 kingdoms. Stan is king of the 7 Kingdoms and Dorne, not 'the 4 Kingdoms, Dorne, and *technically* The North kinda?' He's too uncompromising to leave the North (and the Vale, and the Riverlands) with its own king. To Stannis *he is* the King in the North ... and everywhere else, deal with it wolf pup. Like, any alliance between the Mannis and the Young Wolf needs to square the fact that Stannis views Robb as a usurper, that's a little worse than a smuggler. Robby isn't getting away with a slap on the wrist; even total submission to Stan is going to cost him, Stannis' mercy can be as hard as 'Okay, I won't burn you, I'll just hang you like the thief you are'. Even if Robb bent the knee and gave him the full support of the North (assuming the Northerners would even agree to that; they might still want independence) on the condition of his continued survival and the Starks still being Wardens I can still see Stannis pulling something like 'okay, the usurper lives, but he goes to the wall once the war is over and it's his responsibility to have a son with that Frey girl before then if he wants the Starks to stay Wardens. Not my fault if he only has daughters ... truly, my generosity is overwhelming.' Then again I feel like Robb submitting to Stannis under these conditions is also unlikely. Even with his army at the wall if Robb really takes the North back with little difficulty he's not really in a position where he *needs* to submit to Stannis right then. In this scenario you've presented he's still got the Freys and other allies in the south, and most of his army, and said army is likely feeling pretty decent on the morale scale having just won their own lands back from the Ironborn with barely any resistance and being back home I can see them being pretty confident in their ability to beat down on a bunch of southerners on their home turf; the Mannis has showed up in the wolf's territory, not the other way around. If the North feels beaten down and ready to submit Robb might be willing to bow, but if the North is still done with submitting to the southern kingdoms and high on recent victory against the Ironborn, Robb might be just as unyielding as Stannis; he owes him nothing and his men know how to fight in the cold and snow better than The Mannis' do. Robb might be thinking Stannis can stay at the Wall and take the black or sail South, 'but if one of his men sets foot outside of the Gift it had better be to bend the knee.' Stan the Man's a tactical genius but the Young Wolf's the one who lost a war without losing a single battle, I don't think he'd be afraid to take him on.

[@jlord9638]

What if Qui Gon and Obi Wan discovered the the world of Ice and Fire 2 years before Game Of Thrones and 2 years before the Phantom Menace.

[@mateo7650]

Love the videos but this was a misfire. Stannis doesn’t compromise or take shady deals Roose doesn’t take reckless deals that could blow up in his face The Freys don’t want Rob’s marriage to occur before the end of the war because Walder wants to keep his options open. The red wedding didn’t occur because of the broken marriage pact… it occurred because the North was going to lose the war. You’re not giving the characters enough agency here

[@Dante_YL]

First Also first time I can say that lol Great vids once again I love this

[@silentecho92able]

What if Rob sent Cathlyn or Roose to the Iron Islands instead of Theon?

[@N8ive]

Your Stannis is SPOT ON

[@connormorgan6884]

You should do a cross over with Sauron vs Westeros during the war of the 5 kings. Or if Sauron's forces are too small, then Morgoth.

[@smileydude12]

I doubt Stannis would accept that offer considering Robb already gives him a better chance to win the war than pairing with Roose.

[@MartialArtsForY]

What if Jamie Lanister, joined Robb in his rebellion

[@sallyramirez8938]

I absolutely love your theories ❤

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

Glad you like them :)

[@Talesfromthefoodofficial]

The Boltons weren’t originally going to betray the Starks, just like the Freys they were acting opportunistically.

[@Ardenator1]

This doesn't make a ton of sense. Robb marrying Roslyn after returning from the Westerlands would keep the Freys and Boltons on side a little bit longer, especially if he didn't execute Lord Karstark and lose his men. Even more so if Edmure still marries a Frey girl, which would tie all the major houses in the faction together (remember that Bolton married a Frey as well). I think it's much more likely that Robb bends the knee to Stannis at the Wall after hearing about the threat of the White Walkers from Jon and Mance. He originally wanted to declare for Stannis anyway before Umber proclaimed him King. By the time the North was cleared of the Ironborn and the Northmen, Rivermen and Wildlings were readying to go south with Stannis word would have reached them that Joffrey and Tywin were dead. At that point no one would be betraying anybody for what would be perceived as a much weaker Lannister position with a boy king on the throne. I'm sure much of the riverlands would be conquered by lannister and tyrell forces by this point, and the Stannis coalition would be heavily outnumbered, but he and Robb are the two best generals in Westeros - tactical geniuses and together they'd win some ley engagements. Pretty soon you'd see houses in the stormlands flipping for Stannis and possibly even Dorne - and the tide would be turned for good and all once littlefinger and Sansa bring the forces of the Vale into the mix for them. At this point I can see either Arya or Sansa betrothed to Robin Arryn to secure the alliance with the Vale, with Rickon being betrothed to Shireen to secure the alliance of the Baratheons and Starks. The remaining daughter is likely betrothed To the heir of Dorne to bring them into the fold after Myrcella's murder. At this point Cersei's marriage to Euron would provide her with nothing more than ships for her forces to evacuate to Casterly Rock as Stannis and Robb march on Kings Landing. If she still blows up the faith and the tyrells expect the reach houses to flip to Stannis at this point. The Lannisters would be reduced to holdouts in the westerlands and iron islands as stannis consolidates his hold on the rest of Westeros - just in time for Dany to arrive. Expect heated dialogue and minor clashes at first - but soon they would be inspired by Jon and Robb to call a truce to go north and fight the white walkers. While everyone is up North getting decimated by the long night expect cersei to make a backdoor play with the help of the iron fleet and the golden company to take Kings Landing and get ready to fight whoever survives. Perhaps Jon and Dany actually end up marrying in this timeline after the truth of his parentage comes out? How the rest of the story goes and who ends up ruling really depends on who survived the fight with the white walkers. Cersei can hold out and cause trouble for a while but in the end she can't stand up to the rest of westeros united against her, even in its depleted state. So depending on who lived we'd either see Stannis, Danaerys, or possibly even Shireen on the Iron Throne at the end of it all. My money's on the dragons 🐉

[@unbowedqueen]

If Robb married the Frey girl, none of this would have happened. Lol

[@tris421]

yeah nice but you masssively overrate the boltons. They are more opportuntists not manpulators

[@honinakecheta601]

Man I really hope this is redone with the comments in mind, I think we can all agree some details didn’t make any sense

[@ballisticautistic5398]

What if Jamie never joined the Kings Guard?

[@ladykatherinena3199]

Tywin would be happier than anyone in Westros.

[@jozefmasny8349]

Then Mad King would have burnt King's Landing much sooner than Denaerys. And Tywin would die with him.

[@TheKarotechia]

​@@jozefmasny8349 Would Tywin be blamed for the fire?

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

​​@@TheKarotechia why do you think he would be?

[@georgeprchal3924]

Then there's no King's Landing anymore.

[@tylerwill5688]

It’s Catlyns fault when Robb essentially asked is any of Freys daughters good looking she basically said hell nah

[@Jurmeytobgyevideos]

Stannis, who made the man who saved him, his family and soldiers from starvation made davos cut off his fingers still for his past life if crime. There is no way he's teaming up with a guy who breaks his vows to his king

[@Zhuge_Ke]

I would serve Stannis and help him win too.

[@jasonlauritsen5587]

Robb thought his foriegner was hot, only to find out that not only was his promised, much prettier, but also would have stayed hot for decades after his wife turned into an old bag. Should've taken the Frey girl.

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

facts, karma

[@cvan912]

I know it's not as action packed, but what if Rheagar and Lyanna were open about their marriage

[@Karsielatee]

Stannis wouldn’t accept an offer like that from Roos, give this another try

[@TheBallsMasterOfMen]

Absolute Cinema 🙌

[@simonpierre8283]

What if Robb joind Stannis What if Robb told emdure tully of his plan. What if Stannis won battle of ice. What if Vale joind Robb. What if Dorne joind Stannis. What if Greens won dance of dragons. What if Balon attacked westerlands. What if Tywin survied. What if Joffrey survied what if Tommen survied.

[@EliasX23]

Dorne joining Stannis is one I could get behind. It actually makes sense

[@jessieBird96]

Stannis would have been highly offended by Roose's offer I doubt very highly he would have taken it

[@czaroftheempire5715]

While there are points where I would disagree of events I very much like how different it is

[@Cursedhammer21]

Stannis would’ve never taken this deal.

[@Barendol]

I love that this channel is about GOT and not ASOIAF so nobody cares about the Others.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

YOU posted again! You're amazing! Keep up the good work 😊😊😊😊

[@streetguru9350]

At this point I'm pretty sure these are just AI generated

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

🙄 if you say so lol

[@streetguru9350]

@ThreeEyedTheorist Definitely Is, post a vlog detailing the process of making the videos, including voice over work.

[@She-Devil94]

I firmly believe that Stannis would have Roose killed then and there for being an oathbreaker. He would do many things to secure his throne but not work with someone who betrays his king. Also why would the Starks go for a piece with house Lannister, if they could just defend the north at the Neck with very view men?

[@joekekker1581]

You missed the bit where Robb and Ramsey kiss

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

I feel like this was a mischaracterization ofStanis. Stanis is a very absolute character. He will see roose for exactly what he is, a traitor. He would’ve never trust him. In fact, he would probably even tell Rob about roose’s treachery.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

Stannis says the hardest choice of his life was between Robert and Aerys. if he couldn't see Aerys for what was, then Stannis is a fool

[@danmoreman954]

Stupid, poorly written fan fiction. The timeline is wrong and the author understands nothing about Stannis or his conception of honor.

[@noahl.j.4362]

He was a king he shouldve taken 2 wives

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

Lol the Targaryen way

[@BrianLyons315]

You make Stannis sound like Palpatine.

[@snafuthegreat]

What if Guts was a bastard son of Brandon Stark and takes Jon Snow under his wing, leading to the pair joining the Band of the Falcon? What if Casca had visions of the Red Wedding and convinced Griffith to head to Westeros?

[@patrickkanas3874]

Highly unlikely that Arya persuaded Robb to make the Hound since, up until much later than this in the canon timeline, he's still on her list of people she wants revenge against. Despite keeping her alive at this point, she'd still want him dead

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

Hmmm I’m not sure about that. I think on their journey together her opinion of him changed. Towards the end, he was off her list. Even the faceless men pushed her on that topic during one of their games, no?

[@lordr1c325]

​@@ThreeEyedTheoristyup I agree. Her list is what kept her going after the Red Wedding. Seeing as how that never happened here and she was reunited with her family, I don't think she would still want to kill him.

[@noratheweeb9387]

@@lordr1c325 that is actually a fair point. She was pretty vengeful still before the red wedding, but it was really the red wedding that set her into that mindset.

[@rogueprince1341]

Have you done what if the Lannisters returned Sansa? Ive always been interested in what would happen. I like to think she wouldve been married to Willis Tyrell as an alliance.

[@williamhenszlein5032]

Jon Snow would amount to nothing with Rob still in picture.

[@_solid5067]

please start including Faegon and Jon Connington

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your channel! These are VERY WELL DONE! HEARTH PLEASE ❤❤❤❤❤

[@MultiAnikan]

Its ai made This timeline is all messed up

[@ThreeEyedTheorist]

It’s not AI made but okay lol

[@jamisonreynolds9949]

What if the Mountain never killed or r@ped Elia Martell or killed her children? I’d be curious to see how much would have changed if Tywin would have taken them hostage instead of eliminating them outright, or how Robert would react to the news of them not being dead. Maybe Tywin would keep them in hiding to use for later or something.

[@golson245]

Stannis would never

[@zelouskight24]

Bad story. Wrong way of the characters. Try again.

[@DaBroSquad]

It really wouldnt accomplish anything. The Tyrells joining with the Lannister was the literal death blow to the Kingdom of North and Trident, Robb was literally going to lose the second they marched out from KL with 80k men vs his measly 25k. Walder Frey wouldve jumped ship regardless of the marriage pact

[@crimsonECH1DNA]

Yeah, The North suffered a death by a thousand cuts but if we're talking about the true losing moment of the war, it was the Battle of the Blackwater and Robb not communicating with Edmure to keep Tywin and his men penned down. The realm was more or less going to unify behind which army came out the victor of that fight. The North, at best, could have gone the Dorne route and try to hold fast until their conquerors found the war to be more trouble than its worth, but that's where Robb's various tactical errors throughout the war ultimately did him in.

[@RodrigoCen7456]

​@@crimsonECH1DNA I'd imagine that is exactly what Robb was going to do, he was trying to lead Tywin into a trap before Edmure fucked it up. I could see him being like Hannibal, going after smaller forces of the Lannister army while avoiding the main host. Even the Riverlands get overwhelmed Robb could retreat back to the neck

[@the_bigsteve3516]

sounds like the battle of hastings!

[@hidingtk2860]

Ah poor Rob Stark. Never lives.

[@federicomalcotti9060]

Nice story, I am just curious about what happened to Sansa in this scenario

[@Chris-do2ls]

The Mannis would never be as treacherous as Roose

[@Themostawesomestvids]

Interesting, Pal.

[@Tanakun09]

Where are the Frey army. They should had been in the thick of the fight when Rob was at the Trident or riverlands. Two, I don't think Rose would of done any betrayal right away, since we know that Tywin is dead. He would of waited for a better chance to come. Third, Stannis would of suspected Rose to be suspicious and refuse his offer? Sighting that Bolton is a house stark principal banner man and not a vessal of house baratheon. And wants no bad feelings between Himself and Rob Stark. Ending Rose Plans.

[@karlaldridge4848]

Most your videos are great. This is strange and would never happen.