Why Was Legion the Last Good Expansion in Modern WoW?

Legion was the last modern expansion which received a lot of positive feedback, but what was so different from Legion when compared to other modern expansions, from warlords of dreanor all the way to Shadowlands?
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[@gabrielpaulino9701]

For me, the best part of Legion was how much content you had. And I don't mean the repetitive stuff, but content that made the world feel alive. You had leveling campaing, each class had it's own story and you had suramar, balance of Power... Hell even professions had their own campaings. All that stuff coming our way after an expansion where the story felt halted for 2 years was awesome.

[@moscanaveia]

I started playing in Legion and I absolutely loved the game. But can't say I was crazy about those "grind twenty dungeons" quests from Light's Heart :P A lot of Legion was extremely grindy, not just AP, Suramar story was rep-gated, there were those Xe'ra quests, there was grinding to get the higher ranking recipes for crafting, but it was definitely brimming with content like you say.

[@hickspaced2963]

@ZavhallaTV totally agree, I don’t understand how they could make broken shore so horrible compared to the rest

[@Fion355]

@@hickspaced2963 As far as i remember, they had to change the release plan of the planed content for reasons i dont know anymore. It wasnt supposed to be just a few quests every week. But its what we got. Sad thing is, Broken Shore in itself wasnt that bad. It was just way to less content for the duration it was on.

[@shikouji]

The chromie stuff was good too

[@XiLock_Alotx]

They’re an indie company now. Won’t happen again

[@TheEvilWarlock]

You know you're old when MoP is considered "old WoW".

[@rdsasuke1]

God i hate this joke, you're not old stop trying to get upvotes.

[@mike3667]

@@rdsasuke1 I'm 82.

[@rdsasuke1]

@@mike3667 So you have another 40+ years to live.

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

Lmao I saw what was considered modern wow and was like " Nah you better at least put Cata in there too" MoP has always felt like modern to me too.

[@thearbitersteven6503]

Damn I'm old, I was 12 when Mop was out, damn damn

[@fluffybacon]

People had been asking for class quests back for years, then Legion basically gave us class chain quests and story lines. Legion certainly had it's faults, but I'd rate it as one of my favourite expansions ever made.

[@MrLolguy93]

This and artifacts

[@masongroves4226]

@@MrLolguy93 this and mage tower. Mage Tower was by far my favorite content. Go out and do raids and get gear, then have a semi difficult challenge for some cool shit. /drool

[@emodude2131]

Didn't truly start wow till shadowlands prepatch. So I didn't get to play legion when it was current but I have leveled everyone of my characters in legion. It doesn't feel right if I don't.

[@pheonix1041]

Amen to that.

[@fabioracoes4533]

true man the class stuff was so good god dawm it made the class fantasy so well and mage tower was great 2

[@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st]

Legion honestly feels like it could have been the end of WoW. I know there are a lot of loose threads to tie up, but shutting Sargeras down and dismantling the Burning Legion is pretty much what most of WoW was built around. With those elements gone, Blizzard kinda had to start pulling on other loose threads to keep shit going, or even just creating entirely new lore.

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

I do honestly feel like the faction war premise of BfA could've _actually_ carried an entire expansion and set up future threats in order to fill this void and make continuing after Legion feel more natural. It could've worked like a soft reboot, getting back to the original premise of the series, but instead they IMO rushed into their new multi expansion Sylvanas storyline way too quickly.

[@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st]

I agree. For as much vitriol as BFA gets, I can appreciate it as a palette cleanser, something smaller scale and closer to home to set up a bigger threat. I just think how BFA was handled kinda spoiled that opportunity. And Shadowlands is just hard to connect with. I don’t know if it’s the mad amounts of new lore and retcons, but it almost doesn’t feel like WoW to me. Which is a shame, because I want to praise an otherwise really cool premise.

[@FaceFish9]

@@MrSpookersMcGeeThe1st yeah, if BfA had been more about the two factions, and if it ended with N'zoth being freed after the fight with Azshara, and we would have gotten a whole black empire dlc that would have made so much sense it hurts

[@Dilllll26]

no but see, the jailer was actually behind everything, the lich king, the dreadlords, sylvanas. come on silly, it was the jailer all along, he is sargeras' dad! *SL writing*

[@zapspiders92]

It feels like vanilla to Legion was the story of wow. We had a quick epilogue to finish up the last old god and Azshara. Now the story feels "done"

[@let_me_explain8572]

Even today Legion takes so much time to complete, back then the amount of things you were able to do was insane. Also I'll forever miss fishing with random people for the artifact rod all day long.

[@deatheree]

or fishing for the hidden ret pally artifact skin, I think I went from essentially nothing in fishing to max fishing before getting it

[@Lightna]

My only friend that survived being made useless by Sargeras' 1000 degree knife vs Azeroth: The Underlight Angler. Never thought I'd enjoy fishing in the game but here we are.

[@yeungscs]

i remember making chat laugh by telling them I died jumping down from a waterfall with the special fish buff activated

[@amzraptor]

I lost interest after legion when the weapons went away. It felt really weird.

[@AliceMill69]

Im going to play legion private server which will release in may on Wow freak 😅

[@EdBurke37]

Anyone who knows how HYPE Rock Lee dropping the weights was is someone whos opinion can be trusted.

[@davidsabillon5182]

Dattebayo!

[@nailgunammo]

this is the metaphor i use when someone plays a game really well with shitty hardware. I'm like, "when you get a new pc it'll be like rock lee taking off the training weights." always hypes up people who play games well but are limited by their setup lol

[@garycabezas]

That’s exactly what I was thinking when I saw that LOL

[@clintmcbride7830]

Dafuq is a rock Lee?

[@nailgunammo]

@@clintmcbride7830 he is a character in naruto

[@AsbestosMuffins]

Legion seemed to be the last expansion where they had a good solid content pipeline, heck they managed to add 4 new zones while it went on, ontop of cinematics and a story that was compellint to players of all sides and all the other systems they added. Shadowlands wasn't supposed to have a content drought but covid and everything going on at blizzard is causing another WoD situation.

[@kaelmic7476]

uh, bfa had a lot of content too. the issue was that players didnt like it.

[@kail_6019]

BFA 8.2 is very good 9.0 very good but take too much time

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

@@kaelmic7476 That's a big part of the issue. Practically _every_ unsatisfied fanbase will say "there isn't enough content", when in reality it's not so much the content as much as how the content is being used. WoW is a "theme park" style MMO that relies on a lot of accretive design, so the result is if the new expansion features aren't landing with enough consistency, it can feel like the whole expansion's been wasted. It's not like if Feature A and B fail, but Feature C is a landmark success, WoW can still do okay and piggyback off Feature C's success for a while, Feature C will then proceed to get the entire playerbase burnt out within a couple of weeks. It's not just a problem with the expansions, but essentially WoW itself, as raids _are_ essentially WoW's "Feature C" and yet they aren't capable of justifying people playing by themselves. Stuff like the Timeless Isle is kind of the exception to this rule and WoW needed a lot more stuff with that kind of "Well, if all else fails to hold interest, you can still..." philosophy.

[@julianbarzana5821]

@@darthvaderreviews6926 I have never played Modern wow or BfA/Shadowlands but i have played of Wotlk for a long time on a private server. What im trying to say, my PoV might not be the best. But, trying to extend your argument, could it be that players nowadays seem to "rush" the content and not play it moderately/slowly? Thus the fanbase falls into "there isnt enough content" because they played it all in 3 days? Correct if i´m wrong, but i follow some WoW streamers/youtubers and it seems like in some cases thats what happening (besides all the drama going behind Blizz, bad decisions, gameplay, lore, etc).

[@roflixo]

Wod at least had a strong start up to 6.2. Shadowlands didn’t even start strong (8 months for first content patch).

[@AsprosOfAzeroth]

*Legion* was the swan song of many developers of the old guard (pre Vanilla), that left Blizzard and or the WoW Team for greener pastures. So there was a big push to make this one count. Also, the fact Legion was so big was the reason WoD was put on "life support". It had more resources during production than an expansion would normally have.

[@julianbarzana5821]

If i remember correctly, Legion had more resources because its release date was delayed until the WoW movie came out. Thats another reason why WoD was extended.

[@Eldair]

I called Legion WoWs swan song while it was still going on. It wasn't perfect, but it seemed like every patch gave us something fans have been asking for for years and some we didn't even dare to dream of. Getting things like Ashbringer, justice for Illidans story and the bombshell that was going to Argus and Sargeras. It felt like the devs were giving the fans everything they possibly could, so even if something wasn't 100% perfect you could feel the developers caring for what they put out. Sargeras was the final goal we didn't dream to ever reach and it was given to us and That told me that someone on the dev team was saying: "This is it, now or never, we go out with a bang!"

[@FaceFish9]

@@Eldair as an ex-wow player and current ff14 player, i can say that Legion was propably one of the best expansions ever in the games history in just one thing, how purely the story and the love of the game showed in those days, and one thing legion did that ff14 does every expansion is give us big lore moments, give us massive lore moments, hell we got to fight the big bad Sargeras, something that i never thought i would be doing. But one thing FF14 always seems to have done better than WoW and i say this now that i've seen things like the coils of bahamut, the Alexander raids, hell every expansions "end fights" is that we are let to defeat the big monster, the enemy of the expansion, hell we got to defeat Bahamut before any expansion and he is like the Sargeras of FF14, Bahamut was the lore reason the world almost died completely, and we get to defeat him in the first version of the game? and we just go on defeating the empires ultimate weapon(s), a fuckton of powerful dragons, and even the "first" warrior of light... and next expansion? we get to apparently duke it out with the light and dark itself if the lore of it is anything to go by.. but after Cataclysm even, i have always thought to myself, where is the big bad boss? where is the massive threat? we got Garrosh as the orc maniac with some old god powers in MoP, WoD we had some more Orcs until the last raid (which was brilliant i thought) to Legion where they just took all the chains off, we start of fucking Xavius, we get to see a little sneak peeks into the future of lore with Ilgynoth (granted blizzard either forgot half of them or retconned them again...) we go and kill one of the worst warlocks in the history of the series (granted Illidan finishes him off but it was still a massive moment, and we end it up by going to the enemy's doorstep, we end up on Argus and fight off THE bad guy of Warcraft lore, after all these years of hearing and shivering just from Sargeras's name, we get to finally stick it in him... there's nothing better than giving those massive lore moments for players to remember the lore by, but the next expansion we got... the tower falling from Lord of the rings...? hell Azshara's defeat was the highpoint of the expansion and it should have ended there giving us a new enemy to fight in the next expansion... instead we got Shadowlands which two points people remember it by are pretty much the start of it when Sylvanas rips the helm of domination apart and "I WILL NEVER SERVE!" which was the stupidest most idiotic writing in any games history ever... there is just nothing good and worthwhile to remember sadly, and i love WoW... but i want Cataclysm back, i wans Wotlk back... even MoP... there were places and enemies to remember... lore to discover... and mostly, the gameplay aswell was fun...

[@GranitWall]

@Sypha Flowen But players hated that back in the day and wanted to be a "nobody" again.

[@MeTakingAStand]

@Sypha Flowen No, they did. I specifically remember a lot of people calling out how Legion was pandering to the single-player experience and how it wasn't "real WoW". Every expansion you get a different wave of "Back in my day" players. Honestly, I think people aren't engaging much with the Shadowlands story because they're just mad that Blizzard essentially ruined everything BUT the story to the game. I think the story is actually pretty decent (comparatively to older expansions); they had to create completely new characters, and there is A LOT to sift through. The issue with Shadowlands is it's yet another expansion built upon faulty & clunky systems that nobody wants to play with because they feel like chores.

[@FunkyFrog7]

I Miss the Arcane mages' talking staff, and the cannonball aoe for outlaws. Still mad about how they made a pirate themed spec, and in the next expansion they took out almost all pirate-like abilities

[@felixw4993]

I even missed the old arcane missile animation :(

[@Geraduss]

You can still have the talking staff, just have to transmog what ever staff you're using to Aluneth and it'll talk again. Its not quite the same but its still there.

[@calebwhitcraft1664]

@@Geraduss I transmog my demo lock's weapons so Thal'kiel yells at my imps for me.

[@darkness3038]

@@felixw4993 so truee … now it feels souless ! And the animation is soo ugly honestly.

[@felixw4993]

@@darkness3038 yeah I literally quit arcane mage because of the animation. With many ppl talking about it they didn't even bother to put a glyph for it.

[@Marconius6]

Considering the whole afterlife theme, I was expecting them to go full-on nostalgia focused with Shadowlands, and just bring out a ton of old characters. But most of them are barely even cameos, and even then their past lives aren't really like... explored at all? They sort of bring up what they used to be, but it in no way plays into the actual plot of Shadowlands. They could have had a whole thing where known characters are sort of reenacting/continuing the grudges they had in life; Garrosh stuck in an endless battle against enemies of the Horde, or Kael'thas trying desperately to find salvation for his people, to no avail; the player made to help them in some way, or just join in on the eternal conflict temporarily. But sure, I guess we could spend the whole campaign in skeleton land hanging out with Thrall's mom instead... that's much more interesting.

[@FaceFish9]

hell they could have made a raid out of that theme alone... of fighting the past, us helping Garrosh defeat the enemies of the Horde, making sure Kael'thas finally finds salvation and more... so many good ideas but no... we got Thanos with reverbing voice and Karen who never serves apparently, after serving for like 2-3 expansion in a row..

[@strider8662]

@@FaceFish9 Dont forget helping our Grand Marshall Garithos slay more elves before his soul finally rests!

[@rdsasuke1]

@@strider8662 What's up with all the support for genocidal racists :D

[@comradepoint]

When soulbinds were first mentioned, they said we could soulbind with uther, kaelthas and other famous warcraft people. Then they changed it to be soulbinding with characters we never met before we know we wont ever see again after this expansion, because they will be too busy doing stuff in the afterlife. I don't really want to soulbind with dreamweaver, i want to soulbind with ysera, I'd rather soulbind with vashj than bonesmith heirmir etc.

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@rdsasuke1 I think it is just for shits and giggles.^^ Garithos is a meme by now.^^

[@raescp]

As someone who has played the same character for years, I’m very connected to my class. So the Dreamgrove and all the important characters solidified this as my favorite expansion. I really felt like an Archdruid. The mage tower and class mount quest made it better, and I really liked Argus.

[@FaceFish9]

i know what you mean, having played my Mage since Wrath it felt so nice being in the Dalaran libraries with all the other mages...it was somewhat special..

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

@@FaceFish9 Yeah, the Order Halls being treated as an expansion only gimmick is a complete waste. I remember back at the Legion Alpha that every class got its own version of the Druid moonglade teleport/ Monk Zen Pilgrimage, that took them straight to the Order Hall at lvl 16. They could have reintroduced that after Legion and make the Order Halls the class versions of Monks Peak of Serenity with their own small dailies, class quests and small class specific gear. But alas.....

[@FaceFish9]

@@aureliodeprimus8018 oh i would have loved that, just like.. the dailies could literaly be teaching npcs how to be a mage for example, drawing runes, exploring dungeons for a book to add to the collection in dalaran and more... but alas...

[@Buffnerd_i]

same.

[@jakubjenicek9994]

I liked how Legion closed many storylines that were previously opened - Burning Legion, Pantheon, Illidan, Draenei, Sargeras etc. After that, BfA closed the rest (Azshara, Old Gods) and Shadowlands had to open a new chapter.

[@joshstraub6972]

Yeah

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

BFA made me quit Warcraft lore as a whole.

[@dremora2232]

@@EdyGlockenspiel prolly didn't get it

[@zakeeros1663]

Wrong, we still have Xal'atah to deal with and also it's likely that we aren't done with Azshara.

[@miloslolz5164]

BFAs lore was terrible and cramped. Could have easily made two more expansions from it.

[@Mooser36]

Should've been the end of Wow honestly. Nice and conclusive ending to the story. Could've been a chance to start an entirely new game

[@Rivexd]

True, it should have been the last expansion. At the end you felt like you won, and you were the most powerful version of your character period.

[@Defenestrationed]

Yeah the only thing they could do after was an "actually you are back to petty squabbling" Was kinda cool I suppose that the weird stuff Sylvanas was doing with Helya in that expansion has borne some fruit in this one - it's cool to see story arcs like that cross over multiple expansions. But at the end of day the answer was not more trivial bullshit to start the next xpac

[@joshstraub6972]

Truueeer

[@gorg9928]

Wow 2?

[@Styxer1008]

Exactly! Like they had us stop the biggest possible threat outside of Void Lords and now we're supposed to believe anything compared to them?

[@curtis8197]

i forgot which of the devs said it, it might have been ion, but i remember them saying “ya legion was good but it was a lot of work” this is the blizzard that makes wow now

[@Hugo-mh1pe]

I feel like you might be taking that statement out of context. What I hear when I read that is that legion likely required both a crunch and overtime from the devs, which I would never choose or encourage them to do even if the content ends up being better or more extensive. Judging the scope of both BfA and Shadowlands you could hardly say they're being lazy either. I have a memory about Ion saying that they did not crunch for BfA and were proud of that, which further suggests they did so for legion and prior expansions.

[@John-yk4bp]

@@Hugo-mh1pe I think they also used "borrowed" time from warlords of draenor, to put effort into legion. They can't do that every expansion obviously. I did have so much fun in legion though

[@GranitWall]

@@John-yk4bp Yeah WoD was cut so they got x1.5 resources for Legion.

[@John-yk4bp]

@@GranitWall I remember at the time everyone was praising Ion, and now everyone is giving him shit

[@GranitWall]

@@John-yk4bp Same as Ghostcrawler. People hated him back in the day, now they are like: you were the best come back please!!!

[@arc-sd8sk]

MoP imo Underrated at the time, amazing in retrospect

[@cryptomaniac2]

I enjoyed PvP in MoP

[@YoutubeMyn]

some hard truth bombs right there.

[@kataangsucks]

Worst expansion IMHO, lore was garbage and retconned. Clearly the MoP team didn't even play Wc3

[@space.pirate481]

@@kataangsucks false mop was very good,nice raid design and pvp was good too and i enjoyed legendary cloack chain

[@space.pirate481]

@@kataangsucks and was good lore mop

[@JustSomeIdiot794]

To this day I regret not playing enough Legion even not getting the Artifact skins from the Mage Tower, I just loved the concept of every spec having their own weapon and I wish we could of kept it afterwards or got them back during SL

[@zerotwocarrot2133]

Just make a classic Legion server I would pay double the money to play.And if it's 7.35 then I can play it for ever

[@sirinstinct4326]

@@zerotwocarrot2133 a classic Legion server is what we all need but no BULLSHIT like how Burning Crusade Classic has atm

[@jendlti]

as somebody who did mop challenge mode gold on all classes, wod challenge mode in a warrior (to get them all weapons skins in 1 run) and did fighting with style: challenging on all classes for legion. I am only checking if wow have one of these and buy that expansion to resub, do it on all available classes then quit again, ahaha.

[@TheHorreK2]

Legion was the pinnacle of "The chosen"-Character trope, the player character was simply the hero of everything and everyone and then basically back to faction lapdog in BfA, just like Cata to MoP, from fighting a world breaking dragon to clearing Fields of vermin... i think the shift of tone is really strange between the expansions and just no consitencies there. Also i hate it how Legion had 0 epilouges for the class halls, they safed the world but are okay with world war again in BfA?

[@darkzero226]

my only problem with this criticism is that you're only addressed as the champion because of game logic/limitations and to a certain extent, voice overs. before voice acting was a common thing in the game, they just had the speech bubbles do the talking where they could have the game spit out your name without much issue. but since now the main story quests are almost all voice acted these days, i guess they felt they had to have some way of addressing the player character. but even then, in legion and at times, in-engine cutscenes (most recently the garrosh one in SoD) they do add in player characters (or in the case of at least one legion pre-rendered cinematic, representatives of the class orders) to show that you're not alone. because that's the reality, you're not doing this alone. i wont disagree that they do a bad job at showing this most of the time, though. but again, it's mostly all because of limitations. and honestly, even the complaints which go hand in hand with the "chosen character" trope about how "we're too powerful because we've killed old gods and titans" in more recent times (past wotlk) are kind of dumb. we're really only able to do these things because we receive help from major characters *during* the encounters.

[@Gcrab71989]

In legion we weren't even the main characters canonically, blizzard just did an awful job telling the players that. The reason you were accompanied by major lore characters holding up the different artifacts was because they were the true leaders of the order halls otherwise they'd of used generic npcs.

[@Gcrab71989]

@Sypha Flowen the expansion that kept trying to tell me that my buddies and I were all important but when it came time to save the planet Lady Liadrin and Reghar Earthfury are there channeling their weapons along side other major lore characters because canonically we can't all be special so somebody had to be the real leaders. The player went on the adventures for gameplay reasons because it's a video game. Story wise we were at best one of the champions being sent on missions at the table but more likely one of the disposable units. Blizzard did an awful job of showing this in game but while we are at it, you also didn't run the war effort on Draenor or lead the fight against the opposite faction in BFA and spoiler you'll end up not being important to your covenant. But you did take the fight to ragnaros cthun and KT, stormed the Hellfire Peninsula and help push across outlands and you even proved your worth at the Argent tournament. All the things that a generic character can take part in you helped with. All the awful savior crap they've been pushing for years is because they don't have anyone to write a decent story anymore.

[@glenngehrs7913]

Going from being the Archdruid, who has brought together druids of every race to prevent the calamity presented by the Legion, to being a Horde grunt and burn down a world tree was a bit of a jarring transition, yeah.

[@felipe-zm8yd]

man you're making me miss legion I was so happy back then, now WoW just feels like my childhood friend who became a piece of shit over time and I dont recognize him anymore

[@pet4pr4nk]

Dude this is exactly what i feel aswell

[@Justicar2503]

Legion was well established with know enemies and heroes. Unlike the current one with Dr evil and Sylvanas(soon to be a martyr) Windrunner.

[@hickspaced2963]

Say what you will about shadowlands but no known enemies and heroes? It’s basically a class reunion with old content.

[@FaceFish9]

i saw a video of pyro calling him the "Thanos of WoW" with the infinity gauntlet... well that's pretty much it... Thanos without any lore behind him

[@Justicar2503]

@@hickspaced2963 Using your idea Shadowlands is like throwing the Avengers and a random villain that we dont know anything about other than by the end, 2 hours later, he would be defeated.

[@Justicar2503]

​@@FaceFish9 Thats the problem, hes not even close because as of right now we dont know jack about who he is, what he wants, who he truly hates or wanna kill or anything else. Like another comment said: A villain we know nothing about wanna destroy all, dont worry about it. Uses power we dont know, but dont worry about it Was put in chains for crime we dont know anything about by people we dont know anything too, but dont worry about it

[@Justicar2503]

@@hickspaced2963 And who do we know besides Kel'thuzard, Sylvanas and a few others? They arent the main villain, which we know nothing about.

[@Tails41347]

Legion was also the best expansion for druids. The druid got new shapeshift forms for each specialization. As a feral player myself, that blew me away! Never have we even been able to show off with gears in our shapes, it was the same forms you see in battles, all the time.

[@brandonclowers1760]

Legion was the pinnacle of my WoW experience. I could not stop playing Legion for the life of me. Legion was World of Warcraft for me. I loved and enjoyed every second of every zone and every single dungeon and raid. It was so much fun. I remember when they revealed that we were going to Argus. I was only 14-15 at the time, but I still cannot remember a moment where I was so excited and filled with anticipation (gaming/media related). Playing Demon Hunter on my first day when I got out of school was so amazing. I think I still had a curfew back then. It absolutely breaks my heart to see the pitiful state that it has been left in. Coming from a place of love, I've stopped taking copium and I think that this masterpiece of a game should just die already.

[@huntgar]

It's not a world anymore. It's a few overstuffed zones sperated by loading screens. I can't appreciate any point of interest without tripping over two others.

[@1un4cy]

The old world where there were dozens of zones meshed together with no loading inbetween them, besides between the two continents. And that was in 2004.

[@greenyoshi100]

But you can travel between all of the zones without a loading screen (except the maw/korthia, those 2 are connected their own)

[@scurrx]

@@greenyoshi100 the in-between is a glorified loading screen

[@greenyoshi100]

@@scurrx I mean yeah but so is every flight path

[@lvferrum510]

@@greenyoshi100 Every other flight point is a optional means of travel, you can also walk over to the place where you need to be to explore the wordl in the meantime, to travel between Shadowlands zones they serve as a glorified loading zone. Hell, with other flight points you can still see the world under you and look at points on interest, in Shadowlands it's just a blue tube.

[@krim7]

I love how the logos bounce as the bar appears on the bar graph. A+ Editing 📊

[@felixw4993]

Legion was the first expansion that I lved my character to max level and played the end game content. Never regret it :)

[@truthseeker508]

Same. too bad now we got little.

[@twoac]

I still do the class hall quests when I make an alt for a new class because it is some of the coolest immersion the game has

[@michaelbeleut6480]

I’ll play a Legion Classic server if they ever do it in 10 years or so. It was quite fun and the last taste we had for tier sets. Suramar and everything… man. Loved the zones. Everything now is “eh.”

[@moscanaveia]

I would love to relive my Legion days. But I question a classic server being the answer to that. Things in the game are always tied to the current season. Once the season moves on, everything leading up to the new season gets abandoned and left to rot. People don't play .0 raids in .1. It might be interesting to relive that, but to have it unfold before you on a pre-planned schedule as people mow through the steps on time and forget about them the next tier defeats the magic to me.

[@totalscrub1960]

funny how 3 of my guilds all fucking hated suramar when it was current. funny how everyone bitched about the expansion when it was current funny how everyone misses corruption now. since it is no longer current

[@Authoity4576]

@@totalscrub1960 who tf misses corruption

[@moscanaveia]

@@Authoity4576 I do. They were fun, they were thematically appropriate and since I never grind BIS gear because fuck that no-lifeism, I got to appreciate the good thing about them instead.

[@michaelbeleut6480]

@@totalscrub1960 Corruption was NOT fun. I liked Suramar when it was current content because it gave us Nighthold.

[@shanksleroux8837]

Legion was my first expansion, well just started at the end of WoD but as a starter, leveling exploring the world, so i dont count that. Legion gives me such a nostalgic feeling, it was just absolutely great back in these demon days. I never forget to arrive first time in stormheim, just the best experience. I still hear the zones music🥰

[@NotClosedMinded]

What i liked about the legion artifact weapons was the skin and the other variants you could unlock. It was literally the best looking weapons in the game and still is in many cases, which is actually a bad thing but no surprise after everything that has been revealed over the past years. Also the raids had some nice updated old raid tier gear sets which looked for many classes really good as well. Cosmetics... if only they would've given it the proper love (like FFXIV).... so sad.

[@Mandelbrotmat]

As good as legion was, people forget that the "progression-system" treadmill, and it's many resets began in legion. Don't forget, you could spend hours every day farming for AP, only to realize that you could have simply waited to determination-stack Argus on LFR to receive the same boost to your artifact.

[@zyella277]

people basicly renember 7.3/7.3.5 and not all that was before it. Like broken shore had a single quest that was just gettign some crystals and then egtting all but 1 back as content for an entire week. Or the only thing to do on brokenshore was sentinax farming and that was quikly made terrible

[@winnieelegante6901]

same with renown rn, you can just unsub, wait 3-4 months when cap is reachable and then play as normal without being timegated for the week

[@AsprosOfAzeroth]

"You could spend hours every day farming for AP" yes, difference is: It was fun, so no one cared. Hell, Legion deleted an entire island from the Alpha and no one cared!

[@Mandelbrotmat]

@@AsprosOfAzeroth It WAS fun.....then they made the work meaningless, by maxing out the AP after killing argus, even doing it on LFR produced the same result. You could have simply done the bare minimum AP farming throughout legion, waited till antorus, killed Argus after 5 stacks of determination, and the effect would have been the same. Now, I won't lie that I was happy I didn't have to farm AP any more, and the little graphic meter showing AP amount constantly surging ever higher made me feel like I won the lottery. But, a move like that really only works once. They did the same thing with the Heart artifact and it enraged people to get their time spent in game erased. My argument isn't that they shouldn't design a game like this, WoW has ALWAYS been a progression treadmill, my argument is that being so blatant about it feels like a slap in the face.

[@josedavidmunozmartinez4722]

Yeah, like people from Wotlk only remember 3.3.5 or maybe 3.1, they don't remember what a huge piece of shit was the 3.2 patch... And also, the final raid of the expansion wasn't even ICC, it was Ruby Sanctum, and oh god it was horrible!

[@ewokpants4891]

"random pirates and trolls you never heard of before"? Rastakhan has been a vague shadow in the lore since classic but the Zandalari have continuously popped up here and there throughout the game. The kul tirans were a little more obscure but theyv made a few appearances most notably in Warcraft 3 and Jaina Proudmoor, a Kul Tiran, is one of the central characters of WoW.

[@warriorsworld4638]

Yeah. I feel like Legion was the best modern expansion. SL RN has more content than WoD ever had, but probably not BFA as of RN. But BfA was pretty bad, so I hope SL delivers more.

[@Megoover]

Spoiler: it won't. Blizzard at the death's door

[@mistmist4303]

@@Megoover They’re really not but alright.

[@riatorex8722]

@@Megoover At death's door? Certainly not.

[@ksptheman2844]

Amazing video man! Legion is definitely my favourite expansion, I hope i get to play it again some day.

[@yashizuko]

The best moment of legion i had was when with the "Order of the shepherd" discord went on a hunt for the arcane mage hidden skin hahaha it was amazing, people having "nirvana" moments being a bluff, i remember people searching in gilneas for hours polymorphing sheeps hahaha I quitted wow after i lost that artifact ability lol, my dream of playing a proper arcane mage was fulfilled in legion, my favourite race story ( draenei ) got wrapped up... gave me a moral "ending" to my wow journey since classic. I think the main good thing in legion was the fact the gameplay of classes felt nice and not like a moba hero, it was a proper goddam rpg and it was focused on classes, not gear with the artifacts and the lore

[@Marconius6]

The fact Legion just had a ton of content was really nice too; just the different class order halls encouraged me to make a ton of alts in an effort to see them all, collect all the artifact weapons and outfits, etc. Compare that to BFA, where all the Azerite stuff is the same, and they even removed class-specific tier sets. Or Shadowlands, where the entire levelling experience is one railroaded, linear thing, so there's absolutely no point in playing it again a second time.

[@XReaperX300]

Removing tier set killed me, literally made me feel like my char lost its identity , it actually made me not to want to do raid cause of no tier sets soo I kept thinkin myself “ehh why bother fuck it” which eventually lead me to just unsub

[@OliveOilFan]

Some of the things that made legion good The story was amazing New class, Demon Hunter While not the best, the legendaries was a good system to put in And the community was pretty good for the expansion

[@albertadrien1834]

good system ? legendary drop capped at 4 per caracter (before last patch) if u didn't drop bis or good one or just play other spec u just had to remake caracter. what a good system lol

[@RetroBubz]

I think in addition to all the great points made by by hirumaredx - the idea of what we now call "borrowed power" was fairly new with the introduction of Artifact Power. While people may have seemed on the fence about it, it was still relatively new - it felt "fresh". Fast forward two expansions later where you have a player base that is tired of building up Artifact, Azerite, Conduit / Renown ranks, because they know that all of this will be useless day 1 of the very next expansion, and it gets exhausting. Granted - things like tier sets were typically replaced with green / blue quest reward items - it still felt like some sort of progression. The pattern now is: "BUILD THIS ANCIENT LEGENDARY INCREDIBLE ITEM HERO!" - and then magically its worthless the very next time a new system gets introduced.

[@roberthansson8222]

The class hall was fantastic and the weapons.

[@zyella277]

some class halls/stories where good (like dk) other really werent (priest where played second fiddle to pallies in your own campagin and even npcs reffernece the priest as highlord)

[@798nicolas]

@@zyella277 if you think the priest campaign was bad, you didn't play the monk one, omg that was awful

[@zyella277]

@@798nicolas i did do the monk one, monk was my main in legion it watng odo( but i found the priest one worse

[@longwildernesswalks]

Legion made your class matter... something no other expansion ever has done. So yes, Legion IMHO was the best expansion ever produced by the WoW team.

[@crowmaster9652]

How? Other classes did better and they required far less effort, Its the worst expansion that introduced even worse expansions. Sure WoD sucked but at least it was consistently fun.

[@SeasideStrangler]

@@crowmaster9652 ya legion was mediocre and released whack demon hunter class, a hotwheels class designed by an autistic wrestling super hero fanatic, tbc-wotlk and even cata were good expansions everything starting with panda land and after is badically shit tier.

[@plague6174]

@@SeasideStrangler wrath overrated, cata-mop had the best class designs and PvP participation that became severely damaged after WoD. MoP was the last good expansion from a PvP perspective. And many MANY people more than you think would agree with me. As for this vid on Legion, yeah I'm sure everyone would want this back over the current dumpster fire. It had amazing PvE story that was just as amazing as Wrath which I did enjoy about that xpac, but both xpacs had problems with pvp having a very low skillcap and/or shit class design

[@SeasideStrangler]

@@plague6174 wotlk is legendary, legion is a shitstain on its drawers. Many MANY people are retarded.

[@godlygamer911]

@@crowmaster9652 Lol you are either joking or just a contrarian, literally nobody agrees with you

[@dragonslayerbond]

This is one of your best videos, I would love to see a follow-up.

[@Snailirific]

To me Legion had so much to do. Class specific mini tasks out in the world to complete to get AP(which are now removed), artifact skins to collect, class mounts, cool tier sets, varied world quests, Suramar, Withered scenario, varied dungeons and raids, great voice acting for heroes and villains alike, great music albeit a bit too bombastic at times, Mage Tower challenges, cool cinematics, secrets to find, and much more. I just straight up had fun. It's on par with MoP and Wotlk for me.

[@rdsasuke1]

I was so emotionally invested in my Artifact Weapon by the end of the expansion, it felt awful to lose it because the game said so.

[@rdsasuke1]

@Sypha Flowen Very good point.

[@arnoldchand4144]

Legion should've been the benchmark for WoW and they should have kept it horizontal from there instead of reverting back to WoD style pruning and cucking of any fun or uniqueness

[@raiden72]

I can't for the life of me fathom why they don't bring back legendaries!!! Legendaries were so fun to level up and finish the quest lines!!

[@XXXmarquise]

The artifact weapon trees were so much fun to progress through and added nice flavor to each class, I was hoping the system would stay in later expansions. 😔

[@FaceFish9]

yeah i remember the time i first realised the fire mage rotation, how powerful that would make me, how many pyro's i would be able to dish out smashing into enemies, oh it was glorious

[@XXXmarquise]

@@FaceFish9 Oh my goodness the Legion Fire Mage with the Phoenix Flames spam. It was so much fun! I wish I had been able to enjoy it more while it lasted.

[@c0ded56]

Man this is like you took my thoughts out of my head and put them in your video

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

I LOVED Legion, it was so fricken fun in my opinion. The weapons were so strong and had many benefits that were amazing. I felt so strong and it was awesome. The legendaries were amazing, the weapons were great, the dungeons were so fun, raids were great and the Mage Tower was also so fun to work though.

[@Myflopgames]

I am gonna be honest with you... I wouldnt mind them re-adding the Artifact Weapon System forever with infinite new Skins and like a chapter 2 for the Class order Hall campaign. This with Mythic+ brought the most fun in the Game for me personally

[@torashiki5646]

Another reason why Legion was so beloved was because the attention was, at least to a certain point, on all classes and specs. Everyone got a legendary-like and cool effects, not just DKs/Mage/Hunter/Rogue.

[@jamminkeys]

excellent analysis of the expansions over the years!

[@Ricros_]

Nice vid, made some great points in there. Btw what is the name of the music starting at 10:16?

[@mankrikswifey]

“pirates and trolls we’ve never heard before” no ma’am the shade 😂

[@miketgl4543]

There are still loads of artifact weapons that I never experienced in Legion. And now I probably never will. What a waste of content.

[@ImperiousWow]

As i said before perhaps, Legion is the expansion that made people to come back. Because of Illidan Stormrage Teaser, and Legion take us back to The Burning Crusade where this part happened and so on. We players who never played during The Burning Crusade will have the experiences for what people have in that time. And in Legion we learned much about the Lore throught all zones on the Broken Isle, and so with characters we have seen like Illidan, Tyrande, Malfurion, Ysera, Sargeras, Velen, and so on. And Legion had the 77 days cycels. Every 77 days they came with something new. And in Legion we carried on Artifact Power which came from noble heroes that died. And we had Class Hall for each Class in the game. For me, I cannot remember BFA or Shadowlands or Draenor was so good as Legion. Legion was perfect balanced in and out.

[@maniac3372]

Great explanation of every expansion

[@matsen1153]

Legion was the last modern expansion I genuinely enjoyed. Mainly because I was a returning player for it until my sophomore high school year. I miss my freshman year so much.

[@jendlti]

Loved the legion prepatch you can basically have a lvl 1 toon hangout in an invaded area and level to 100 without effort outside of making an external macro to move your mouse around so you dont get kicked for being afk.

[@GXMoai]

I've played WoW since 2005. Legion to me, is the best expansion ever made. People just... they don't appreciate enough how much Legion did to reverse the game from bad to great. Legion added a LOT of content for Casuals AND for Hardcore players. They achieved a great feat and sadly, after Legion closed the curtain, the game once again started to slowly become bad/worse again. Legion was so good, I leveled every Class to 110 to do all the Class Quests and story and Artifacts for every class and spec. Legions World Quest System, The Dungeons, The Raids, The Artifact weapon design and how casuals could catch up but Hardcore players still benefited... Mythic+... I could go on forever. There was never be a WoW expansion as good as Legion again.

[@jonathanwynne6925]

Great video, thanks!

[@rebree5137]

Legion actually hooked me to get my first full sub without a single break and BFA lost me again

[@Pot2fox]

compared to b.f.a. legion was so good, honestly, my warlock was so good, and the artifact pwoers, allways room for more improvment , it had so much nice things it made me so happy i only hoped that shadowlands did the same thing since , it was its time now, but idk, apparently...

[@CondorWoW]

doing legion class order hall campaigns is currently the most fun ive had in wow shadowlands

[@warmasher]

yeah i definitely agree on the Legion being the best modern xpac. You have amazing lore for all the character, lore behind all the weapons. I remember on my DK there was a book in the class hall that had pages for each weapon and the history behind it. I remember coming up to Kil'jaeden in the ToS raid and theres a text in chat that reads about my weapon being drawn towards the boss... never knew why til i read the lore behind it. I wish they would do that again. I want those weapons back!!!

[@derekbush6239]

If artifacts had shared AP between all specs, and legendaries had the currency system from 7.3 from the start, I think Legion was a contender for best expansion, next to Wrath.

[@johniseris5824]

This is why everyone speaks for legion. Legion was the expansion that even a causal could have some fun you had the option to change your gear at mythic + that means you could change your gameplay just for a specific pack or boss and the best of all overpowered legendarys that made most of the specs fun + class order halls and quests.

[@deployed246]

It was interesting to here your point of view, because it reminded me how different everyone's perception of an expansion can be, AND how influential other people can be upon the experience of others. I found myself mouth-a-gape when you said "the problem with Garrisons was that they were too useful", as, whilst they definitely were too useful, that was seen by my social circle as being compensation for what we considered to be its issues, which were Blizzard deciding that this was a better idea that player housing and guild halls. At the time, it honestly felt like they were so intent on not giving players those two features that they intentionally added something that would stop us for asking for them. Plus, Garrison's "true" sin was how it isolated players from each other. All those Garrisons systems applied in a guild hall would've promoted assistive play instead of playing for yourself. Which, now that I types all that makes me realise that this is exactly how it was "too useful" is exactly what our issue was. It's also curious how WoD had "two of the best raid instances in WoW's history", yet WotLK actually had two or the WORST raid tiers in the history of the game, and no matter how bad the game's systems have gotten over the years, Blizzard have managed to never produce anything worse than Naxx 2.0, Eye of Eternity and ToC. Systems are WoW's true issue at the moment, including Legion. The only difference with Legion was that our complaints were eventually listened to and mostly fixed. That didn't happen in WoD or BfA, and due to recent revelations about management and how Covid seemed to slow development to a crawl, I don't see the second half of Shadowlands being anything greater than a quarter of the usual fare.

[@sushionaram]

Legion had so much care and love put into it. Lore, class attention, class halls, artifacts quests lore and apperances connected to past of game, fel theme of xpac with new models, superior raid design both in visual and gameplay, Suramar as zone and city, profession legendary questlanes, class specific mounts from campaign, Emissary system rewards, artifacts automaticly swapping place during spec change - no need ot carry extra shield or one hands, legendaries for everyone even if you are not hardcore player, Ashbringer, Class Hall sets, Chromie and Karazhan mini patch, Argus, allied races as reward for entire Legion effort you put into reputation, Mage Tower.

[@RunehearthCL]

Legion needed to be longer, two years felt like nothing with that much content

[@Ar1AnX1x]

you look beautiful

[@RunehearthCL]

@@Ar1AnX1x I know

[@henriccarlsson9052]

I had 44% crit in Legion. Loved it. Legendary was good stuff and possible to get for non raiders.

[@Mmaniac93]

There are a few reasons why Legion was the last good expansion - player power was probably the least of them: 1. It was fresh - new systems like m+ and the mage tower, even world quests, provided players with a completely new way of investing time into the game. 2. The multiple gear systems allowed you to alter your gameplay. Legendaries would sometimes change your rotation, while tier bonuses would make you prioritize certain spells in a different way you normally would. Every patch changed the gameplay just enough. 3. Playing casually on alts was fun because of the class campaign and provided a huge amount of solo play time outside of scheduled content. (raids, m+) 4. Class fantasy and class diversity - unique transmog pieces and mounts would enable class roleplay. You could easily tell if someone played difficult PvE and PvP content, both of which rewarded some of the best looking sets to this day. 5. It rewarded you for investing time in the game (albeit too randomly with legendaries)

[@Demosthenes84]

I remember doing world quests every day hoping to get a random legendary. Man it was so fun! The druid class quests were amazing

[@Abfallkannibale]

Shadowlands not on the level of WoD? 100% true, since it was much worse. In every aspect. Yes, WoD had people hate it because of its content drought and cut content. People disliked it, because it lacked meaningful content after a certain point. Shadowlands wasn't bad because of the lack of content. It was bad because of the content itself.

[@srbclangaming]

I wouldnt mind if they used the same pattern from legion in every expansion. A pattern where everything i do directly effects my character progression and gives it significant role in the lore. It felt like everything we did was to make our characters stronger to the defeat the enemy while discovering the true class identity. But in SL no matter what we do somehow we are irrelevant to the covenants we chose. I wished they made a way for us to connect with the covenant of our choice rather than working for them like we went in the shadowlands just to work as their slaves. No i did not run in to a black hole on top of icc to end up as a servant for a covenant ive never even heard of and on top if that in two years im leaving you guys until i die again. And on top of that all i cannot stand that some of the players have to chose the covenants that are not their favorite because they will lack dps or hps, so they cant even merge with the game properly. In BfA i can understand that we are in a war with our factions but again the reason for character progression was lame. We traded ashbringers for necks that had shiny effects only if you play high level end content that just killed the fun for many casual players. I am not a game dev and i dont know how to fix the problems that they have made, but i sure hoped for 3 years that blizzard themselves could make the change. Instead, they sprinted as far away as they could from the general player base. And now even if 10.0 turns out good, how many of us will live in fear that expansion after will suck. Constant love hate relationship with game addicting as wow should stop because at this point not only that player base has been hurt, but devs and blizzard employees themselves.

[@zeffmalchazeen3429]

I had 5 characters leveled up in Legion. I did all the quest on each including the class order hall and class mounts. I was playing legion for a year before taking a break for a month before 7.2 came, then played it again until 7.3. I had fun even though I was playing it solo. Just heroic dungeons, LFR. Now BFA and Shadowlands comes, both expacs I had a dedicated group for M+ and Raids, and I only play my main, can't dare to level up other alts. Even I was raiding and doing M+, it still lacks something.

[@catthecowardlylion4502]

Thank. You. I remember when Legion was first released, a lot of people were shit talking it and we’re skeptical esp about Illidan’s return and DH class (I was skeptical about DH class) but Legion was great and one of my fav expacs (I joined fully in Cata)! The zones, the levels, legion made me go back and revisit old lore I’m not a game mechanics person so can’t say much about that but I loved my artifact weapon and used it until Shadowlands lmao

[@Havenos]

I had so much fun Legion, it was great.

[@Sapphirewest]

I miss Legion so much ! The artifact system was great, I’ve never felt so immersed in my class like I wanted to play all classes and specs. Not to mention all the raid tiers were great and mythic plus was introduced honestly sign me up to legion classic

[@Biouke]

It's an interesting take on the subject. I think there are plenty of other angles to consider when it comes to Legion's popularity, but that's a good start :)

[@catgirluwu5578]

Mists of Pandaria is honestly my favourite expansion! Disc priests doing dps and topping HPS! YES PLEASE I solo healed 10 man content on a private server on heroic, the challenge mode dungeons was SO FUN and the transmog looked sick! getting an item and being like its an upgrade but not that much and reforging felt good, now its this item is trash toss it in the dumpster!

[@s.maddin5536]

I want a WoW Reborn! I dont want to be the ultimate Champion and last Hope for all Azeroth! I want to be an adventurer! I would love to see like a scarlet crusade expansion! We come back from the after life and the scarlet crusade has taken over major cities and parts of Azeroth!

[@moscanaveia]

WoW Reborn! Make WoW small again! Never mind that in vanilla we kill two Black Dragon wyrms of surpassing power and cunning, an Old God avatar, the manifestation of Ragnaros the Firelord and Kel'thuzad himself, cutting down entire hosts of undead minions from dancing necromancers to whole gangs of Death Knights. Let's fight the Scarlet Crusade again, because in Vanilla we didn't fight them until we learned they were so succesful because a dreadlord, Balnazzar, had infiltrated them. Classic WoW was only about herding sheep and killing bandits as far as level thirty five. It's a fantasy world full of crazy power scales, and it has always been, for all people complain about the stakes being too cosmical for their tastes.

[@s.maddin5536]

@@moscanaveia Dude I never said make it small! But I dont want to be the hero of the fuckin story over and over again! And I just like the scarlet crusade lore! So stop bustin my balls for things I didn't say! If you want to play the bad expansions be my guest!

[@RasguerWOW]

Totally agree with hiru here but Legion had some really BAD things: - RNG Legendaries - Titanforged - 7.2 timegated stuff - PvP - More abilities pruned And theres probably more i cant remember It's still one of my fav expansions ever but it could have been much better imo.

[@FaceFish9]

yeah there was so much wrong in legion, but there was also so much to do in legion no one gave a shit

[@melendil2633]

People complained too much about rng legendaries and now we have p2w legendaries

[@markoostendorp4423]

Rng legy and ap farm tired me out to much..

[@elefanamir9087]

I like titanforging though

[@sjetejmaniak6595]

Not everyone hated things on your list...i liked TF not so much in BFA...pvp templates were great for me (mostly PVE player) not so much in BFA...pruned classes... I would change all totems with pointless unpruned lighting shield on my ele just to become Legion thunder god again, same goes for another specs for example Arms was great in Legion and Battle Cry was the best main CD in game now its shit but hey we have more spells (rotation > more spells)...RNG legendaries were crap till the point where they add bad luck protection from that point you was able to casualy drop 2 leggos per week (still not optimal, vendor is better)...timegating always suck

[@a.r.t.8651]

i used to love tbc and cata as my fav expansions but then came legion and oh boy! it became my fav ever, for me legion is THE end of warcraft story that started with the draeneni and orcs on draenor and storylines from 1st and 2nd war ending with ilidan and sargeras, BEAUTIFUL!

[@kang1983]

also fighting the burning legion was something that was super hyped up since the launch of wow so everyone was on board for that !! then nzoth only got 1 patch and we didnt even know who the jailer was

[@Zanjestu]

For me MoP is last good expansion, just due to after that came the ap grind for each one that followed

[@dekuwashi]

I just want to play a MoP classic server forever that shit sounds like so much fun I swear. The gameplay balance was WoTLK with way more varied dailies/things to do and great zones.

[@thebrainwash]

Go to chrome and select that expansion for questing

[@dekuwashi]

@@thebrainwash what I mean is playing MOP as of it's current content. Current raiding, rep progression that matters since it's current content, re-exploring everything as if it's the first time... That expansion was a gem, and it's a shame you blow through most of it or don't generally even get to see most endgame of it before being whisked to SL

[@thebrainwash]

Oh OK bro I agree. I played on a private server for mop while I was still aging retail

[@dstyer6128]

I personally enjoyed the hell out of really diving into my class and getting some actual class related content, this is a very rare thing across the entire history of wow and they failed to realize how many people wanted it.

[@07cheshireR]

What I loved was the fact that legion didnt focus on the main plot. There were arcs that brought it all together but at the same time kept seperate from everything else. I actually had motivation to keep playing all the zones and the quests were so damned fun. World quests actually didnt feel like a chore and the rewards were hella worth it. It also felt like TBC also, the zones had their own proper theme and damn the music was the best. Honestly, the best expansion i had played in retail. Not to mention actual class campaigns and at the end of it all, a lovely mount that went with it. The secret skins you can get for your artifact weapons. I have never felt so contempt in just playing the content.

[@Warxoth]

It's sad that Blizz managed to break the "Good->Bad" expansion loop.

[@jasonbrode9886]

and not in a way you would want them to break

[@Lily_Orchard]

I don't see Shadowlands going off the rails storywise because that would require Blizzard to do something with the major characters they brought with them. So far, Thrall, Jaina, and Sylvanas have been sitting around doing absolute nothing while the Champion is off cleaning up the Covenants. Blizzard is so resistant to actually doing anything with Sylvanas that isn't a teaser and I don't see them changing that anytime soon. Going off the rails would require telling the players what's actually going on and everything about the Jailer, the Maw and Sylvanas is so shrouded in mystery that it can't do anything other than have a last minute "shocking twist." Wrath of the Lich King, you knew what you were there for. To kill a villain that had been built up since Warcraft 3. The main villain of Shadowlands is actually a hero that some misogynistic pigs randomly decided to make a villain one day two years ago. This obsession with shock value means the story will never get to the point of being crazy and ridiculous because Danuser is too busy trying to look smart.

[@luclin92]

I would say she is more of a anti hero, but yeah it is a issue that she basically have all her character development happen in books outside of the game. But i do agree that her turning into a all out villain as soon as she became a main faction leader was pretty boring for her character and for the horde.

[@Lily_Orchard]

@@luclin92 An Anti Hero is still a hero, just an unscrupulous one.

[@littlekinginc124]

Man, past WOW sounds so fun lol. It was nothing like when I tried to play it around 2019

[@KamiPain75]

Legion was the only expansion where I could truly said I felt the class I was playing. Lets go all the more important druids in the history of the lore gather together. The most powerful warlocks join as a single group to face the current threat. The Death Knights being on the shadows for so long and now looking for more power to defeat the enemy and I can go on and on with the other classes. It it was a UNIQUE experience with every class.

[@menelys4059]

just compare legion "special" zone - Suramar to shadowlands "special" zone - Maw. and of course u really shudve mentioned the gorgeous Nighthold.

[@GranitWall]

I prefer the Maw because I love zones with a darker tone.

[@projectlifedog1459]

I must resist the Legion nostalgia...😖

[@ahubb21]

it's been over 7 years since Legion launched, and I still miss it. I didn't start playing WoW until MoP, and Legion was the most fun expansions I got to play. I used to never understand the older players with nostalgia for older expansions until Legion was gone.

[@waltonchunky904]

To each their own, I hated grinding endless artifact power. Mythic+ at higher keys highly favored certain classes, which in turn the community used that as another excuse to not invite non meta classes. Legion was the expansion that caused me to quit retail.

[@waltonchunky904]

Oh did I mention how stupid it was to start off the legendary system with RNG essentially determining your player power. I had two legendary items drop, they were both the terrible ones that did nothing for your DPS.

[@Dayz3O6]

Glad I started during legion, the whole expansion was about you and your class hall, you lead the hall and do quests that feel impactful toward defeating the legion. The artifact is cool but when similar one happen in BFA it doesnt seems to work, I guess it has to do with the lore and variety of weapons for each class. Now, in term of quest and story you're just there doing random quests that feel obsolete while the rest of the main characters stay behind only appear in cutscene as if they did all the heavy lifting but in reality it was us players doing all the heavy lifting. SL is downhill at this point plus the shitshow at blizz right now. Every expansion is always about saving Azeroth's ass, it is tiring.

[@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni]

Legion was really the "in case of an emergency, break glass." type of expansion. Blizzard went all out with it. Players felt powerful, wielding weapons of legends, commanding important lore characters, every class getting their own campaign, Long requested Demon hunters made into a class, Fighting against the legion itself and finally finishing off 3 major villians in Xavius, Guldan and Kil'jaedan. In fact if WoW had ended with this expansion, i am fairly certain people would have been satisfied. BFA and Shadowlands were opposite of that. Players power was constantly undermined, Crafting sucked again, almost all the characters were new (less so in BFA), We barely got to kill any of the final bosses of raids anymore, as if Blizzard was afraid to actually finish ANY plot threads, The Plot moved forward way too slowly, with every single character always having a "master plan" that we never found out cuz they were SO SMART, Customization was actually very limited despite attempts to create important choices, and every single New type of content was a grind with barely any meaningful reward, and RNG was everywhere. Thats why. At least thats my opinion.

[@gamingbear_yt7609]

Hi im thinking about starfing to play wow but people are saying its not good rn should i Find another mmorpg?

[@LeeH1998]

I started playing in Legion. I had so much fun exploring the class hall campaigns, and I even levelled all classes to cap just to play through them. Legendaries sucked a bit, mainly for my main however, I didn't mind getting bad legendaries on my alts because it was still fun to play around with them. Mage Tower was and still is my favourite content in the game, and unfortunately it is gone and nothing has returned that gave me that itch to scratch. I was so hyped for BFA because it was my first time going into a new expansion and I was like, it that it? Shadowlands has been fun, but nothing like it was in Legion. I also tried Classic and got to C'thun before I quit and that was super fun so at least they added Classic into the game, was a lot different than what I had learnt since Legion.

[@leofawkes1399]

"just the first half of the expansion" you are really optimistic.

[@zilvis1140]

For me personally last good expansion was Wrath and MoP

[@kyogery8927]

I loved Warlords of Dreanor though i know its crapped on but to me, thats when everyone i knew played and i enjoyed the content. I mained a prot warrior or subclassed called gladiator warrior since warriors at level 100 got a talent that made prot could made a dps. I had so much fun throughout the expasion as a glad warrior. I pvped so much and did all the raids. I liked legion also but wasnt the same since prot warrior lost the glad spec.

[@artsoldier]

1:37 what is the name of the staff and where can i get it?