Why Was The Rule Of Two A Bad Idea And Destined To Fail? | Star Wars Lore

[@nyogtheeldritchgentleman]

Well now I’m curious about your opinion about Darth Kryat’s Rule of One.

[@darthnexus9570]

Totally agree...

[@obi-wancanoli2926]

Honestly I think it makes more sense you dont gotta worry bout getting stabbed by your apprentice now the thing is theres y'know one of you so sith might not last long if that one sith goes byebye

[@nyogtheeldritchgentleman]

@@obi-wancanoli2926 But Krayt was betrayed. By his second in command Darth Wyyrlok. Krayt didn’t actually stay dead, but he was betrayed.

[@obi-wancanoli2926]

@@nyogtheeldritchgentleman idk I'm still not completely up to date with sith lore or jedi for that matter so idk maybe unsure what I'm saying

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Personally I think that the Sith shouldn't seek dominion over others for the simple reason that a Sith following another Sith and both of them seeking power over others one of them is going to end up dying. I think what Darth Malgus appears to be doing in the current storyline of SWTOR where he breaks away from the Empire is the most viable way for the sith to live by their code "through victory my chains are broken the force shall set me free" to try and take power over others is to try and make oneself dependent on those other people and to shackle yourself to the reigns of power. So the goal of a Sith instead of seeking leadership should be to become as self sufficient as possible and live only amongst those they choose to compromise with with the freedom and agency to leave whenever they choose. Basically the Sith would be a lot more sustainable if they were space anarcho communists instead of space fascists/social darwinists.

[@synthiandrakon]

So my view of the rule of two is that it is a good idea within the confines of the sith ideology. What's important to remember that to the sith there is no collective. A siths goal is not to advance the collective strength of the sith order but to individually become stronger. To all sith, the victory of another sith lord is just as much of a loss as the victory of the Jedi. So although conceptually it weakens the sith order, it places the individual sith in a better position to achieve the ultimate goal of sith ideology, which is individual domination over the galaxy, the force and life itself.

[@lucasftsa4157]

I could listen to one hour of this man speaking about star wars and I would not be bored

[@misulincu]

Couldn't have put it better myself. I am tired of all the Bane fanatics thinking that Bane was some sort of genius, when all it takes to find detrimental flaws in his system would be 5 minutes of pure, critical thinking.

[@Zigzorark]

“Vader’s redemption to the light, ended with palpatine’s death” J.J: *Inhales*

[@j-dawg4774]

My only issue with the Rule of Two is the fact Darth Bane killed most of the Sith and basically said "no more assets that could become stronger, there will only be two now"

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Ok but, I propose a System of Sith power based on the actions of Darth Malgus and the teachings of less orthodox Sith like Lana Beniko and Darth Traya. That the Sith should not seek leadership but rather independence. Political power, wealth, that sort of thing ties you to complex power structures and customs. So what if the Sith just strove for self sufficiency, the agency to pick up and leave any situation and negotiate at any level with any person only for compromises they were willing to make that they should seek absolute power over themselves rather than others. Not the same way the Jedi do necessarily but if they really want to "break their chains", to free themselves through the force, they would do better to live as some jedi do, hermits relying on very few people and potentially isolated from the affairs of the larger galaxy or going where they will and meeting who they will but always being able and ready to leave. Basically the Sith really would benefit from a decentralized and horizontal power structure as much as anyone else. They they could do their research and keep in touch to exchange knowledge if they wanted to but they would never have that contradiction of always clinging to political power whilst trying to maintain their freedom from other Sith. Call it the rule of the nomad Sith or something. Bet Sith like that would get really good at building star ships.

[@cobaltprime9467]

I get the merits of the Rule of 2. What I don’t get is, why did Palpatine WANT an apprentice once he took over? The only reason to have an apprentice is to pass the mantle to them when they die. Palpatine had no intention of passing anything to Vader. Vader was only useful as a weapon. And the Inquisitors would have served that purpose. He also intended to live forever, so why teach another? It’s only going to lead to the apprentice trying to kill the master.

[@ChaseLevi]

Because his grand plan was to use vaders son luke to pass these secrets to, and use his father as a warmup kill, before turning luke to the dark side, but his father ended up saving him.

[@johnnygyro2295]

The title "apprentice" might as well be another lie on Palpatine's part. What he really wants are servants/enforcers. As powerful in the Force as he is, the galaxy is still a large place and he would always have enemies, immortality or not.

[@RevenantMain1]

@@johnnygyro2295 agreed, Vaders roll as his "apprentice" extended as far as being taught about the dark side and how to be a good little lap dog, the rest of the time he was basically a prized soldier

[@TheGOAT-dr1sq]

Because Palpatine needs a successor to ensure the sith don’t just die with him and they can continue to rule and make sure the Jedi don’t return his first prodigy was Darth Maul he took him as a baby to apprentice him as a Sith Lord cus he noticed his force potential was greater than Mother Talzin then Maul became a failure once he was defeated by Kenobi Sidious : ''Darth Maul was a loss, but Darth Tyranus... He was a proton torpedo. He served his purpose and was gone...'' Source: Darth Vader #20 (2016) His next apprentice Dooku was an old man already in his prime and didn’t have the makings of a true sith he wasn’t strong enough and wasn’t going to be as strong as the chosen one so Dooku was basically a pawn he also didn’t embrace the darkside as much Next, Darth Vader he was also defeated by Obi Wan and this ruined his force potential and after this he wasn’t able to become as powerful as the Emperor according to George Lucas he was only 80% of the Emperor’s power after his injuries Finally Luke he was another prodigy who could become more powerful than Palpatine and Sidious wanted him to succeed him…

[@aidancanzano4954]

A lot of people bring up good points but I would like to add that Vader was much, much, MUCH more than capable of turning all ten of the inquisitors into paste ten on one. The man was a power house.

[@peterparker1683]

The biggest problem that Darth Bane had was assuming that every Sith afterwards would be like him. That is the true flaw of the Rule of 2

[@TherealKRG-d7p]

The rule of two was only a means of survival and although it took one thousand years for the sith to actually destroy the republic they didn’t know what to do after that. Darth Sodious may have had an empire but he wasn’t really a good ruler all he made was a military with no real reason. No threat to destroy the galaxy (canon wise cause legends had multiple). The sith problem in the new sith wars wasn’t the infighting but multiple apprenticeship at one time which they worked together to kill more powerful sith which weakened them. Imagine if we combined the rule of two with the sith empire cause it kills two birds in one stone. So basically the Sith Lords would take one apprentice at a time unless they die from the apprentice or the apprentice ranks up into a Sith Lord themselves.When the Sith apprentice kills their master they take what they can get for themselves. Also add more ranks so that sith would have something to strive for. Also give the more powerful sith more control of their military so that they have something to keep them busy.This would give newer Sith more positions of power which would result in less infighting.I would start with 12 and slowly allow it to grow and evolve. That’s what I would’ve done if I was in that situation.(If you made it this far I’m sorry for all this writing but here’s a star for reading through this ⭐️).

[@mayojar5264]

There's the problem of what happens if the master becomes to powerful for their apprentice to surpass and defeat

[@Zeeno]

That's the point. He's never replaced and the sith are forever powerful

[@mayojar5264]

@@Zeeno but what if that master fails to become immortal then the sith fail if the apprentice cannot defeat the master and the master doesn't become immortal then the sith fail

[@Zeeno]

@@mayojar5264 not really. If he can't be immortal he dies and gets replaced. It's still the same outcome

[@mayojar5264]

@@Zeeno I'm just saying the risk is there

[@Ben-Ken]

@@Zeeno he would die with most of his knowledge, power and galactic connections built over his life would be lost.

[@davidnorris2009]

What if the yuzangzong invaded during the clone wars

[@VadersFortress]

Yeahhh, I'm going to remaster them

[@theoneguest1]

@@VadersFortress nice

[@theclown2664]

I just realized that relationships are precisely rule of 2. 2 people in love and if there is third then the girlfriend or boyfriend is cast out by the new one. Relationships are dark side and Sith way! :D

[@rexpeymon3455]

To me Palpetine was the downfall of the Sith. Yes he was extremely powerful and yes he was knowledgeable but he also committed senseless genocide and destroyed many bastions of knowledge that could be put to use furthering the Sith cause. He never wanted an apprentice to surpass him he wanted complete and total control thus breaking the rule of two in the first place. In my own point of view you can use the Darkside and grow powerful but you don’t have to give into senseless madness that undermines your overall cause. Darth Traya would have loved me as an apprentice.

[@karim8030]

I like your longer videos in general

[@hexmaster23]

Plaguis and Palpatine working together would never happen. The very nature of the Dark Side breeds conflict. When you put this together with Palpatine’s own personality (especially Canon Palpatine) it is a power keg waiting to explode.

[@Green011]

I really enjoy your videos, I was never that deep into Star Wars, but with your videos I really want to be

[@clonesolar]

I totally agree with you! I hate the rule of two, its dumb. A sith empire with thousands of sith would of been better, they could progress faster and destroy the republic. They could also try to explore the unknown regions.

[@arielortiz5643]

I agree with you. Many people are saying that the Sith order was meant to create strong individuals rather than a strong Sith Order, however humans (and as it would seems, most of the aliens from Star Wars) need stable organizations to thrieve. A net of healthy cooperation, trade and resources are always required to ahcieve even the most basic needs, by constantly undermining the Sith Order with their neverending betrayals, the Sith end up undermining themselves. It seems that their ideology is flawed from the very beginning, especially if we compare them to the nightsisters and the others witches of Dathomir. Although they heavily rely on dark side powers in almost every part of their society, the nightsisters help each other and have significant bonds way more than the Sith. While the Sith of the rule of two era would always be stronger than a jedi, their power can vary quite a bit and undermine the order, the nightsisters will always make sure that their members are not completely consumed by the darkside, that they benefit both, their clan and themselves and to pass their traditions and knowledge, even from beyond the death. Of course, they are far from perfect, but in they I see much of the flaws of the Sith Order corrected.

[@SWgamingShorts]

Like animals eating their young

[@ruairigilvarry]

Always two there are.

[@SithOfTheNorth]

Alot of mortals couldn't handle the power of the darkside. It would drive them mad.

[@manudemeter1330]

I dont watch star wars ,but i always watch these videos They are so cool ,like mini litle stories about tjis gigantic conected universe I might try watching the moovies

[@KajiConanVT]

I like the long videos and the short videos so both r fine with me.

[@MatthewHWise]

There is an alternative, but the Sith would hate the idea of it because they must fully immerse themselves with the Light side of the force. A Sith's goal is to gain more power and knowledge to become the strongest being the galaxy however, the dark side is a volatile power source since most apprentices use cunning to defeat their masters. If the Sith embraced the Light side they have to gain power by going through trails much like the Jedi, but instead of restricting their emotions they fully embrace emotions such as love, compassion and dedication to knowledge. This helps the Sith get stronger in order to work together and trusting one another to gain more power while to prove whoever is more powerful is in face to face duel using their skills, knowledge and power to determine who is the victor. These new type of Sith will have honour and pride in determining who is the better combatant becoming like gladiators to see who is the stronger man. If the Sith embraced the Light Side of the Force would they be more powerful than in the Dark?

[@marcialhd]

In swtor you have many characters that are actually lightside Sith, in fact you can even play as one if you wish and your character ends up as one of the most powerful and respected individuals in the galaxy, precisely because you are not like other Sith.

[@MatthewHWise]

@@marcialhd I have experienced all the original SWTOR stories from the Jedi and Sith to the Trooper and Imperial agent. In your opinion though would the Sith be stronger in the Light or the Dark (either individually or as a unit)

[@marcialhd]

@@MatthewHWise i think a balanced approach would be better, have them draw power from both sides of the force and from all emotions (both positive and negative) but also to learn to control them instead of being controlled by them, going far too much into one side or the other will just help create more imbalance and thus left things the same as they already are.

[@Ben-Ken]

The main problem of the Sith is that they can't turn a hunger for personal power into generational power. A Sith wouldn't want an apprentice unless it was his own child that he loved and wanted to leave power to. It only makes sense if the ultimate goal is to serve the dark side for rewards in the afterlife.

[@TakeTheWorld21]

The failings of the Rule of Two look to be intentionally made to reflect why the Sith will ultimately lose: using treachery and secrecy against themselves, arrogance in their powers, and basing their ways over the failures of past Sith. That’s also why ancient Sith like Exar Kun, Vitiate, Nihilus, and Tulok Hord had more raw power as they partook in less cowardly actions as Banite Sith and simply took the galaxy for themselves.

[@Lily_Hasson666]

My favorite sith in the rule two timeline is Darth Banes apprentice Darth Zannah

[@jannaodenthal9261]

Please do a video on the rule of one

[@mpr1193]

I'd love more of this. Long form opinion pieces. Great video!

[@forcierlogan]

What about Darth Stinkerbug’s rule of none?

[@apastafarian5051]

The rule of two was for purely stealth and hideing purposes along with the passing of knowledge. They didn't need to do it after the fall of the Jedi and even before only two made them weak and thus they had pawns like maul

[@lintonfor4035]

I like these longer vids

[@nolanevans7603]

I believe it fails because eventually a master becomes so powerful he is unbeatable so his apprentice is weaker than him

[@freekill1018]

Well as much as I like this video it's just wrong on the fact that the rule of two worked meaning it was destined to succeed not fail palpatine obviously ruled for many years and those years are what the sith planned for, to take over the republic and it worked lol as you've stated as I said I like this video but the title is wrong we cannot deny it was destined to work not fail, btw I'm living the artwork you put up in these really puts you into the story

[@wixsonzyax22]

The Sith's greatest weakness and greatest enemy is not the jedi but their philosphy and code as it will unlimitly lead to self-destruction and ruin

[@ryankwon8785]

The Rule of Two is not just dumb but lazy. The Sith Empire of the Old Republic was successful for thousands of years even though there were millions of Siths in the Empire's ranks. We have Siths like Darth Marr, Darth Acina, Lana Beniko, and Darth Jadus who were successful with thousands of Siths under their command. Not all Siths were horrible in the Sith Empire as they were merely ignored from being written by other arrogant Siths. Some Siths were involved in saving the Galaxy from times of crisis.

[@tigzhalas]

If I became dart, I will remove the rule of 2 and I will create sith school.

[@andredfreitas6909]

Your arguments make sense.

[@elladaa450]

I made my own sith order where using sith alchemy my sith oc created an amulet. when he wears this amulet and battles a sith lord. It will resurrect the opponent 2 times and if the sith wins 3 times in a row the Amulet gives him the opponents undying loyalty as his apprentice forever

[@TherealKRG-d7p]

My take on the sith order was instead of killing all of the sith Bane would fake his death and allow the brotherhood of darkness to keep fighting until they were on their last knee’s. It could be 4 to 10 years during this time Bane will grow stronger while the brotherhood grew weaker. Once he returns the brotherhood would both be surprised and interested in his new powers. (That’s just a basic story line)

[@siegel947]

This is intriguing I have ignored...👓😶

[@patrickracer43]

I mean, the rule of two was dumb because I mean let's look at everything that we've seen between The Phantom Menace and The Rise of Skywalker, Jedi could have a padawan for their padawan, Obi-Wan had Anakin as his padawan who had Ahsoka as his padawan... meanwhile, Palpatine had Darth Maul, who was killed, then had Count Doku, who was killed, then he turned Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader, then Vader tossed Palpatine down that shaft and then returned to the light side and then died in Return of the Jedi, basically the Sith should have had a designated survivor so that in case there was a situation like what happened on the second death star

[@themajesticpelican]

Really good and insightful video mate, well done. 👍

[@arielzukerman5181]

Video idea what did it feel to be force pulled and push

[@averagejoe5245]

I would say don't be afraid to go longer if you need to. I like the long format better personally

[@b.johnathanwarriorinagarde7980]

Loving the longer videos.

[@oscarkageson-loe]

It was a terrible idea

[@Lily_Hasson666]

Without the rule of two sidious wouldn't be able to start the clone wars to cause the jedi purge and without it the galactic empire wouldnt exist

[@Rhino-hn3jd]

Fortress how about a video on Tarre Viszla??

[@slavsquatsuperstar]

“Heart attack” lol we’ve never even seen anyone use the bathroom how we know their anatomy is like ours? xD

[@davewatterson5810]

He's got a point

[@acid6767]

That’s why sith assassins existed

[@brianwelborn5220]

the sith having a army was better because they were more powerful but having time the sith empire was close to defend the republic and Jedi order they killed there emperor and they start losing that’s why the sith empire lost so many times and so many wars with the republic and Jedi order but darth krayth did bring the true sith empire back but it was to late because the old Sith teachings were to fair gone

[@nolanueno1060]

Okay if the Rule of Two is a bad system can you create a better one for the Sith?

[@d4n1986]

Not sure if this will be answered but what was the game in the video

[@sarmadhabibkhan3036]

I kinda have to agree here. Bane created the rule of 2 because weaker Sith were working together to kill off stronger Sith, damaging their order. But then Plageuis and Palpatine went and did the same thing anyway since they knew they couldn't face their masters head on.

[@wixsonzyax22]

The Sith are fundamentally self-destructive and too selfish to be successful as a order.

[@einflinkeswiesel2695]

If I were to become the Sith Master I wouldn't want to get an apprentice or if I did I would only teach the basic stuff so I don't get killed

[@neofulcrum5013]

What if the sith tried to set up like the Jedi order?

[@AP-yx1mm]

That was before the Rule of Two

[@miguelangelhernandezsolis7849]

Brotherhood of darkness

[@einflinkeswiesel2695]

this is also why the light side is better than the dark side✌🏻

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

I mean, no other Sith group succeeded, so what other idea is there?

[@vinceboros6154]

Okay pre video comment: The rule of two didnt failed Siduis ended it by not getting a proper apprentice after Vader's injurys just kept tools or dogs (on leashes).So in my opinion the rule of two didnt fail but Sidius did.

[@ArmarougeDude]

You know, You right.

[@poesero]

there is this other video that claims the opposite ... and im gonna hold that one as the right one.

[@Isvoshra]

*there are rumors that The rule of 1.5 exist*

[@demi-femme4821]

The problem with the Sith is that their entire philosophy is inherently unstable. Sith infighting is inevitable. So, Bane sought to try and find a way to make that infighting productive instead of destructive.

[@panos617]

I desagree. The Rule of Two was perfect. The Sith survived for 1000 years. Unfortunately Darth Sidious after the decloretion of the First Galactic Empire he abandoned it.

[@amazingcynic9709]

thats why the rule of two doesn't work all it takes is one master who's unwilling to give up power to ruin it like sideous

[@panos617]

@@amazingcynic9709 Sidious

[@manofmystery2850]

@@panos617 did you even watch the whole video?

[@panos617]

@@manofmystery2850 Yes. But i have read The Bane Trilogy and understand some things. Also with the death of Darth Sidious and Vader the Sith did not disappear from the Galaxy.

[@manofmystery2850]

@@panos617 but that goes back to the argument of loosing information. You’re only focused on the survival of the Sith order, not the gaining or regaining of information.

[@ShadowFai20]

It makes perfect sense. I can see that the rule of two does have its advantages, it's also the biggest downfall because of its dark side abilities to be limited.

[@lauziyi5728]

This video is an insult to Darth Bane

[@Xellius13]

The more interesting question is: why sociopathic, narcissistic Sith Lords that came long after Bane went to feed the worms gave any Fs about his rules 🤷‍♂️

[@corruptangel6793]

Cult mentality.

[@jordansteen3942]

The rule of two is pretty good in its own right but the biggest flaw I see in it is if two of the Sith Lords died at the same time

[@williamsmith5340]

I like your videos

[@jthouston44]

The sith could never work there wayyyyy to extreme

[@tigzhalas]

Rule of 2 is failure idea🤣 that’s why jedi already know there are always 2 sith! 😂

[@WileeCoyote1516]

Sith have no patience basically and always kill their masters prematurely lol

[@thephoenix4093]

i think the rule of two is stupid it serves no true pourpuse if two sith die then the entire sith are gone bane was a fool.

[@anthonymort5202]

deep dive into shorts

[@the_mushroom_lad4643]

I feel that there should be a rule of two but just multiple so if one died the sith will live on

[@demi-femme4821]

The problem with that is that the sects will meet and fight and if two weaker sects kill the stronger one, congratulations, you have just undercut the entire point of the Rule of Two.

[@jorgepaniagua2831]

😮

[@faustoorieta]

it didn't fail though. the point was to have a clear, established hierarchy that would allow the sith to grow stronger and more knowledgeable of the force as each generation passed until one day they'd be strong enough to fulfill their goal of controlling the galaxy and destroying the jedi, as opposed to being stuck in a constant power struggle between members of the order that prevented them from making any substantial progress.

[@InquisitorThomas]

But the Rule of Two still lost progress, Apprentices killed their masters before they could learn all their teachings, masters hid secrets from their apprentices, Sith Masters and Apprentices turned to the light and tried to destroy Sith Teachings, and if wasn’t for the fact that writers keep coming up with dumb ways to revive Palpatine the rule of Two would have died over Endor. Yes it’s a logical strategy in theory, but it doesn’t take into account people being stupid, petty, and self interest in a culture literally built around petty self interest. And this isn’t even mentioning what would happen if a Sith Lord didn’t take a nasty fall down a set of stairs or if a Star Ship with the current lord of the Sith exploding.

[@caesar0frome950]

The rule of two sith kill the majority of the Jedi and took over the galaxy it’s the greatest success sith has ever had

[@girlyknight8817]

So dis da rule of many

[@dominiccourtois4415]

For less than a generation, and then it being undone by the same problems.

[@jorgepaniagua2831]

Omg 😲

[@sumarian79]

Naw man, it wasn't the rule of two that destroyed the sith, it was the reduction of jedi drawing on the force leading to luke becoming the most powerful jedi that ever lived. The force requires balance and the sith had too much concentration of power, so it was just inevitable.

[@martinlefebvre963]

Loved it

[@Hokies4evr]

“Doomed to fail”? But it didn’t fail until the very end, and just by a turn of fate… Think about it - Palpatine became the Emperor of the galaxy, nearly wiped out the Jedi, and became one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy. I would call that a rousing success compared to pre “rule of two” Sith endeavors… Palpatine’s only real error was in underestimating the bond between a father and son - if he had turned someone with no ties to Vader and replaced Vader, Palpatine’s reign would have gone on much longer, possibly indefinitely…

[@davidnorris2009]

First