WHY was this Captain SILENT?? | Iberia 610

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On a cold February morning in 1985, a Boeing 727 carrying 148 passengers and crew slips into the foggy abyss of the mountains of Northern Spain. And in this abyss, lies a deadly surprise. The pilots are seconds away from finding out that they have made a grave error. How did they make this mistake, and why hasn’t the captain said a word for over 100 kilometres? This is the strange story of Iberia flight 610.
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[@prabhatthapliyal9160]

but the plane u shows look like MC Douglas??

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[@devious187]

It's unfathomable that they would design a plane to have the same tone sound for 2 separate alarms, that's just madness

[@scarling9367]

This is IBERIA!!!

[@bradsanders407]

​@@scarling9367 umm... no it Boeing. They were the ones that built the plane.

[@bradsanders407]

Same thing with the hellios ghost plane. The take-off warning and cabin altitude warning were the same. The crew for whatever reason thought they were getting a faulty take-off configuration alarm and never put their mask on like procedure dictates.

[@Shatyice420]

Trust me that’s not even the BEGINNING of the bad designs Boeing put out particularly in the 80s- mid 90’s. All their 767s at one point had buttons that only showed what they indicated based on LEDS under the key overlay. The buttons were nonsticking, which meant that in the event that a fuse blew, a lot of confusion can take place. The design basically made it to where they needed to prioritize restoring power to a minor issue over flying the actual plane as the minor issue will eventually evolve into a big one if the pilot can’t tell what buttons are pushed in. There have been so many incidents within a 10 year stretch there with Boeing aircraft from 1987-1997 where SO many of their new aircraft were experiencing problems. This happens to coincide with when they were first started being able to self-certify what they manufactured (WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F***?). The poor build quality often left these newer Boeing aircraft often in worse shape than the aircraft’s which they replaced, and at a tiny fraction of the hours flown.

[@alphamineron]

Because Boeing is stupid. The alert is for deviating from selected altitude… it should be for outward deviation and never sound when approaching the selected altitude. There shouldn’t be 2 tones… only 1.

[@mateen6849]

Perfect narration and explanation. By far the best air crash investigation channel right now.

[@hamzaghazi]

With each incident brings a lesson and saves more lives further down the road for aviation as a whole. The people who loose their lives in these incidents are unsung heros.

[@erkinkaya2776]

Once again a great video! Im just wondering what weird procedure Iberia was using at the time concerning the PM and PF roles. Why on earth would the Captain (PM) manipulate the Altitude Selector and Altitude Arm switch? Thats contradictory to every known SOPs in an airliner cockpit.

[@alanwilliams9310]

You are spot on.

[@heavenlycity777]

I must’ve missed that part. Where was that? Are you thinking he might’ve done this on purpose to crash the whole aircraft just to spite the company?

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

The elephant in the room, however, was a deficiency never mentioned in the CIAIAC’s report: the plane’s lack of a ground proximity warning system, or GPWS. In 1985, ground proximity warning systems had been required in the United States for a decade, but it does not appear that “Alhambra de Granada” was equipped with one. Some readers may even have noticed the lack of any “pull up” warnings on the cockpit transcript.

[@rl7012]

That and the warning sound for 'too high' and 'too low' was the same sound.

[@George_Shonia]

I don't know from where you brought it, but music on this videos are incredible!

[@Texxavy]

Thanks!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@Texxavy]

Make sure you get the money I donated, I had a weird transaction and wanted to make sure it went through. I know 50 dollars isn't much, but I'll keep donating to help with your channel.

[@snwfx5295]

I am sick and this video has perfect timing! LOVE IT

[@htos1av]

This is a new story for me-thanks! RIP to all, The GPWS seems like a no brainer....

[@wildgurgs3614]

I like that you use, as others have stated, a clam and factual style rather than an overly boisterous one in these videos. Sensationalization is highly overrated, and this channel thankfully avoids that!

[@davidhynd4435]

NOT paying your pilots, particularly as a form of punishment, is a sure way to leave them angry, distracted, and disengaged from their job. Clearly, that must impact on passenger safety. The airline should have been held at least partly responsible for this crash. I can't see how the airline's behaviour was anything short of criminal negligence.

[@SunofYork]

That is what is called "A stretch".... If you don't pay enough they are going to kill themselves and their passengers ?

[@Dilley_G45]

The not taking the shortcut was just following the standard procedure. Nothing bad

[@jayuppercase3398]

Such nonsense

[@Dep5723]

The captain had a duty of care to his passengers regardless of not being paid.

[@SunofYork]

@@Dep5723 It's a pretty selfish world and duty comes second, even when ones own life is as stake...

[@alvarvillalongamarch3894]

I'm an active Captain for Iberia,and I must say you nailed the accident.Specially,the Captain's absent mindedness after the furlough without pay,his discontent with company,flying by the book,and the difficult reading of those Colleman altimeters.Nothing was briefed,and the abbreviated procedure flying direct from Domingo Vor to the 13nm fix,with a 45/180 turn,exiting heading 076,for an inbound course of 301.If you reached the fix at 7000,you had to speed the descent down to 4500,slowing down before and using speedbrakes.They got confused with the altimeters,hit the unchartered antenna flying too low and then...That is no excuse for any crewmember,but we are all humans,and this accident is very interesting from the Crm point of view.May God have mercy on all of us who cross the skies.

[@GreenDotAviation]

I appreciate your insight into this! Glad you think I've done the incident justice.

[@topform4665]

smooth and safe skies Captain

[@axer3515]

I have used the instrument and they are not hard to use especially after some experience with this type.

[@axer3515]

This is similar to the Florida crash when the crew missed the loss of altitude.

[@240soundwave]

​@@GreenDotAviation this is an accident not an incident ?

[@mingulay29]

It is surprisingly common in Spain, or at least it used to be, for employees to be owed 2 or 3 months salary. As a freelancer there it was a nightmare to get paid - 6 months, 56 phone calls and five visits to the highly solvent company in one case. As pilots earn good salaries they also have plenty of outgoings. Not paying a pilot - who is doing a highly responsible job - is causing him unnecessary stress and in this case led to huge loss of life. What a spiteful little country it can be.

[@ULEFOFANTULEFOFANT]

I really don't understand this approach/relationship of airlines with their pilots.., obviously, pilots are more conscientious than other humans but they're also just humans who want to be treated well.

[@Will-eq7uh]

The fact that you focus on that and not the pilot actively disengaging in a flight with hundreds of innocent passengers speaks volumes about your character. Do better.

[@mingulay29]

@@Will-eq7uhThe Captain went on strike, was fired then taken back again but not paid his salary. Would the non-payment of salary of a working pilot occur at British Airways or Lufthansa? No chance. Have you any idea of what no salary over months does to a person who is working normally as the bills mount up and foreclosure looms? One day that person snaps just like I did in Spain. That is all I am trying to say. And when you say do better I completed a PHD on the neoliberal effects on commercial aviation at the age of 60 a few years ago, in which I predicted in 2012 that the Boeing 737 Max and the 787 would be problematic.

[@Will-eq7uh]

@@mingulay29 Jesus, you’re actually justifying murder because he wasn’t paid for a month. You truly are a despicable person.

[@mvxarmbrstr4366]

@@mingulay29 congratulations on your phd! is your dissertation available somewhere?

[@xabier.iriarte]

I am so surprised by your coverage of this very little known accident in the Basque Country, and you gave a ton of details I didn't know about, like the fact that the final report didn't even mention the lack of GPWS. The plane crashed into Mt. Oiz, near where I live, and my parents remember this accident and all the media coverage it got at the time very well. A piece of information that struck everyone was the fact that only one intact body was recovered from the wreckage: the body of a dead person inside a coffin, flown here for burial. Thank you so much for your video. This is one of the worst air disasters in Spain and the worst in the Basque Country, and it was great to see it covered on your channel.

[@glamdolly30]

What dark, exquisite irony - the one, intact body, was the pre-deceased one! Maybe there's a safety lesson there for airlines - rip out passenger seats and replace them with coffins!

[@franciscopino7552]

@Xabier Iriarte "worst in the Basque Count" Sure, Xavier, that datum will be recorded in the annals of disasters by countries, among those in EEUU, China, France, Russia.... ¿Se puede ser más ridículamente idiota? Sí, se puede, en las provincias vascongadas llevan décadas entrenándose muy duramente para demostrarlo.

[@xabier.iriarte]

@@franciscopino7552 La leche, Francisco, eres tan facha que te ofendes hasta con comentarios en inglés, eres un grande 🤣

[@virginiaviola5097]

@@franciscopino7552 not a good look Francisco. Your comment was irrelevant and uncalled for. This is an international audience. 🇦🇺🦘🐨

[@Anonamiss782]

​@@glamdolly30 😆😆

[@william.0419]

Your narration skills are genuinely amazing. The way you unpack all the small details gets me so interested in every single video.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Love to hear that! I'm trying to improve in each video 😁

[@gosborg]

I couldn’t agree more. I have trawled your channel to make sure that I have watched all your videos and am genuinely excited each time you publish a new one, notwithstanding the serious subject matter. Your entire presentation is excellent, in my opinion the best in this genre. Please keep on doing what you do. Your insights into the psychology behind the pilots’ decision making are truly educating.

[@Menstral]

I disagree completely. I despise the way the details were kept from me like a fan dance, while all the interesting details, about the 'pay / strike / pilots' were all only alluded to, and then not resolved at the end of the story. When did these Captains stopped acting like babies? Why wasn't the TV tower on the charts?

[@internetpolification]

@@GreenDotAviation your videos are excellent

[@LoneSheWolf09]

I only came across one of his videos this morning and I’ve watched over 5 today. Addictive but knowledgeable at same time on what experiences/situations pilots faced. Appreciated how green dot explains situations with such clear detail not leaving single thing out to detail.

[@havyn88]

It would be a crime if the report didn't tell airlines to pay their pilots.

[@rfvtgbzhn]

I think not paying workers should also be a crime in general. It is like stealing. However in most countries it's just punished by a small fine. In my country it is about 700€, and this is not for every instance, if a company doesn't pay 1000 employees for 6 months they still would only pay a fine of 700€. That's much less than they interest they got if investing these millions of € that they delayed. On the other hand if a worker just steals 100€ from a cash register he might have to pay a fine of thousands of € or even go to jail. It's ridiculous. However it really shows the nature of the capitalist state, it's nit a coincidence that they are very harsh to workers but lenient to corporations.

[@travelwithtony5767]

Commercial pilots are already paid above their skill value, with Captains at some airlines making over $200K a year, with full health insurance, generous benefits including pensions families fly free and mandatory retirement at 65. That’s more than Dr’s make and they spend 10 years earning their medial licenses and work twice as long.

[@havyn88]

@@travelwithtony5767 some airlines

[@travelwithtony5767]

@@rfvtgbzhn Most commercial Captains make $200K a year with very generous benefits and a mandatory retirement age of 65, and their high salaries are a major factor in why airfares are so expensive.. They make more than Dr’s, Vets and Dentists and it costs a lot less to get to a commercial pilot certification than it does attending University for ten years. So actually they are overpaid they should pay them LESS.

[@travelwithtony5767]

@@havyn88 Some = The vast majority.

[@jcdg6288]

They also failed to mention they always always have to pay their employees. Even a janitor would quiet quit when not being paid and they don’t have hundreds of people relying on them for their dear lives.

[@TheAtomTwister]

You and Mentour Pilot are the best when it comes to air accidents. Bravo. And I'm glad that GPWS and EGPWS are a thing now. There's nothing that gets a pilot's attention like "TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP". RIP everyone involved in this accident. Bravo also on 100K.

[@zac8366]

Agreed, green dot and mentour pilot are killing it

[@grahamstevenson1740]

GPWS would have saved that French Air Inter A320 flight into Strasbourg too. Another approach in mountainous terrain. I find it astonishing that the Air Inter flight wasn't so fitted because their pilots supposedly saw them as a 'nuisance' and they were seen as optional, certainly in France (up until then). That would also make an excellent video about the 'mode confusion' that accompanied more automated flight systems.

[@fefferryerr1818]

idk, there are channels like mayday and wonder that have recreations with actors, interviews, historical footage, etc. green dot and mentour tell good stories, but they just don't have the budgets as those channels.

[@grahamstevenson1740]

@@fefferryerr1818 Mayday is invariably totally 'over the top' with shockingly poor overacting. They're a joke from my perspective. Far too sensationalist.

[@fefferryerr1818]

@@grahamstevenson1740 Idk, i read plenty of comments that say the acting is very good, but that's up to you to dislike it. What about the interviews with actual survivors and those who worked on the investigations? Footage of events? They also go far more into the history leading up to the accident and the technical reasons. I enjoy this channel, but it's just him reading a summary while he shows a flight simulator which adds nothing to the story. I don't even watch it, I just listen while I do other things. He may as well have a black screen. It's just weird to me that people would say a channel with low to no production budget is the best compared to other channels with high budgets, with a team of people going far more in depth. I mean, I've seen videos of high school plays and people will say they are the best, it's kind of like that.

[@banjojohn1489]

I'd like to hear more about the striking pilots and Iberia's management history from this time period..

[@rfvtgbzhn]

True, Iberia basically stealing money by not paying pilots as a retaliation for a strike should have been a huge scandal.

[@sovietsky5039]

Yes

[@giorgosfylaktou2610]

​@@drt1605 DON'T FORGET THAT SPAIN 🇪🇸 (AND PORTUGAL 🇵🇹), WERE NOT EEC (EU TODAY) MEMBER STATES. BOTH SPAIN 🇪🇸 AND PORTUGAL 🇵🇹 JOINED EEC THEN(EU TODAY), ON JANUARY 1ST, 1986. BY COINCIDENCE BOTH IBERIAN COUNTRIES WERE ON TRANSITION FROM DICTATORSHIP TO DEMOCRACY(REPUBLIC COUNTRIES), AND WHEN BOTH, JOINED EEC THEN (EU TODAY), THEY HAD TO FOLLOW EU STRICT RULES, PASS LEGISLATIONS AND LAWS AND RULES TO THEIR NATIONAL AIRLINES AND MAKE THEM SAFER. IF YOU ASK ME I SLIGHTLY BLAME THE EXPERIENCED PILOT FOR THE TRAGEDY (CRASH). I BLAME GREEDY IBERIA EMPLOYERS OF NOT HAVING GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES I.E PILOTS MAINLY AND CREW SECOND, WHICH RESULTED TO REVENGE AND REPRISALS PLUS CONSEQUENCES WHICH COST PASSENGERS LIVES. I REALLY HOPE SPANISH GOVERNMENT AND IBERIA AIRLINES HAD COMPENSATED VICTIMS' FAMILIES AND BOTH LEARNT THEIR LESSONS.😢😢.

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

It's so interesting to me that my training was a direct result of a lot of these crashes. I got YELLED at ONCE when not calling out altitudes even though I had it in my head. My instructors needed to know that I did.

[@quasarsphere]

As the saying goes, safety regulations are written in blood.

[@ULEFOFANTULEFOFANT]

True 'lessons learnt'... Any idea why it takes such harsh and costly lessons??

[@ammarisrar2005]

Its barbaric to not pay your pilot for punishment, he was pissed and he caused the accident but the root cause is Iberia Airlines, if they wanted to punish him, suspend him for a certain amount of time or do something that wouldn’t make him retaliate in a way that puts hundreds of lives at jeopardy

[@schootzmootz]

When you said "But their plane didn't have a ground proximity warning system", I exclaimed "FUCK!!!" so loudly my husband came from another room to check if I was ok. Awesome storytelling.

[@peteconrad2077]

It wasn’t mandatory At this time and several airlines didn’t opt for it. Air Inter lost an aircraft that would have been saved by TAWS too.

[@sunnyland3952]

LOL

[@drankydrank1]

Yea that got me about the same way

[@Blehstor]

@@peteconrad2077 still doesnt mean it was not a stupid and outdated decision, if the US had been using it for 10 years before this accident..

[@peteconrad2077]

@@Blehstor so had many countries. But for some operations, especially those with airports in valleys, GPWS caused real issues and so it’s utility wasn’t great until the advent of EGPWS.

[@fervunk1143]

I found this channel a few days ago and I have been addicted and binging every single video. So much more refreshing and interesting when it’s not a extremely dramatic overacted TV Drama. Using flight sim to show buttons, lights, and other aspects of the flight is incredibly genius and provides beautiful footage. I need more !!

[@kt249]

++++

[@jerrywalls4430]

Enjoy your videos thank you

[@canfly737]

We missed you Green Dot 🙂

[@GreenDotAviation]

I'm staying!

[@brianjones3191]

Marksmanship is a skill that requires practice to ensure proficiency at hitting the target. 😮😅

[@randychavis8785]

Facts I was checking my feed every day 😭

[@Spearo408]

@@randychavis8785 Same here

[@glamdolly30]

Yep, I love this channel - it's an addiction!

[@yy17782]

What a perfect storm. Disengaged pilots, fog, no proximity sensor, archaic altitude display, similar warning sounds giving confirmation bias. Absolutely perfect storm.

[@Elifk8787]

+ TV antenna not being depicted in the map.

[@patrickoleary2862]

Probably not such a good idea not to pay your pilots.

[@christosvoskresye]

Here;s another suggestion: PAY YOUR PILOTS. The captain's (in)actions are not excused, but the airline is not innocent in this, either.

[@finlayhutchinson7370]

It's so good how you don't tell if there's a crash or not

[@rustincole_w1339]

Don't get too turned on ya soulless bastard

[@SuperMyacc]

Its not a suspence show

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

There is a big hint early on. He referred to the pilots in the past tense.

[@nesrinoz3926]

I'm loving it!

[@squirrelhallowino29]

For real, keeps me in my sit all video long

[@AriesYT10]

Bro took “I ain’t paid enough for this” to a whole new level

[@SteveMHN]

I'm not excusing him for his poor performance, but I can't believe the Captain was working but wasn't being paid. That's disgusting.

[@alexlents4689]

My thoughts exactly

[@_Brillo]

Found your channel a few days ago. I can't stop watching these. And lo and behold I'm early for an upload! Thank you for all the great content on aviation.

[@GreenDotAviation]

I'm delighted you're enjoying them! More on the way 😁

[@HD_555]

Everyone here agreed on something very important: *PAY YOUR PILOTS*

[@normatible9795]

Airlines should pay pilots salary on time because they THINK BETTER , MORE ALERT while operating the planes. Period

[@amywill9185]

This is so crazy! How can an airline not have an important warning system in place? How sad that they both failed to notice the altitude as well. Ugh! Sad sad day!

[@thomasw95]

As a B777 driver and having basically all my flight experience on B737NG/300 and B787 (and now B777), it’s unfathomable that the altitude alert and the autopilot system was this complex back in the day. Truly incredible! Also, that the GPWS was optional in the 80s 🤯 Also also, how am I just discovering this channel? It’s truly amazing! Great job guys.

[@lifewithmace2338]

stay safe

[@potatopuddin2720]

Stay safe, God bless🙏

[@gosborg]

Fascinating! You’ve picked another not so well known accident, analysed it in a technical but clear manner and explained how and why it happened in an entirely plausible way, giving us an insight into the psychology behind the pilots’ decisions. Well done, 10/10!

[@mattatkinson1431]

spot on!

[@patriciamariemitchel]

I'm surprised the NTSB didn't recommend paying the Captain.🧐One could say, however, that his refusal to let the FO go ahead and take the short cut was revenge directed toward the airline. So then, the question becomes, not whether it was justified in this case, but whether it's ever actually justified. There is an instance spoken of in the Bible, where King David was determined to exact vengeance upon a man who clearly deserved it, and the man's wife talked him out of it, and so David was admonished to let the LORD fight his battles. Sometimes, that's what we need to do: hold steady, and for what we have lost, trust God to make it up to us in his time and in his way. He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him, and he will vindicate you.🕊️

[@Hawker900XP]

I wonder if the board recommend the airline pay their pilots.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

They probably recommended to increase punishments so that workers would accept lower pay

[@williamm1981]

Spanish passenger jet crashes into mountain.. Maybe you should install Ground Proximity Alert System.. Spain "Nah, we don't need that"

[@j.o.1516]

It was called Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) and has long been superseded by "enhanced" EGWPS. As we saw with Dan Air flight 1008 GWPS is not to be relied on. If you hear it, immediately begin escape manouvre and start praying. It was often already too late.

[@asneakylawngnome5792]

The storytelling behind every single one of these are phenomenal. I’m in suspense every time I watch these, and despite a few, guessing which plane will recover or fucked up so bad they won’t be able to. And it makes it all the more tragic. Thank you for sharing these peoples stories, and what happened behind the scenes because there stories deserve to be told.

[@farinshore8900]

The investigators didn't think to mention that paying the pilots might help solve the problem of disinterest in doing the job?

[@THE_JACKAL666]

To piss off a pilot is kinda the same as piss off a waitress or a waiter. Is definitely not a good idea. They can pretty much ruin your day !

[@Optimus594]

As someone with ADHD, it’s harder than normal to focus on documentary style videos of this length. But you make it easier to engage. Not sure why, but nice work.

[@mikerodent3164]

Hallelujah.

[@wattage2007]

I know why.It's because ADHD doesn't exist.

[@hlvtfp1]

@@wattage2007Wtf are you on about? Of course it does exist.

[@masih9595]

​@@hlvtfp1it does not

[@GrumpyMunkyGameDesign]

@@masih9595 speaking as a sufferer of it, you might as well claim cancer doesnt exist, it's one thing to be lucky enough not to have the affliction, but its pretty disgusting of you as a human being to claim a life affecting condition does not exist. Not only that but to openly mock someone who has opened up about their condition and thanking a creator for their content. Speaking of things not existing, I'd like to claim scum doesn't exist, but yet here I am, replying to it. 🤔

[@MenwithPurpose2012]

I genuinely think the captain forgot to toggle the altitude select button at the time where he picked 4300ft. But although he should have been monitoring his altimeters, I think he didn't envisage the prospect that the plane had gone below 4300ft. They must have been shocked when that TV antenna appeared from nowhere. May they rest in peace. Thanks Green Dot for another amazing video, looking forward to the next

[@annakeye]

I can only try to imagine what the vibe must've been like among pilots working for Iberia, if management decided they weren't going to pay them due to them taking industrial action. But the captains attitude was disgraceful. Putting twice the workload on the first officer didn't punish the airline in any way at all except ultimately creating a dangerous situation that was exacerbated by the lack of decent altimeters and the lack of GPW technology. I mean, I understand the captain was pissed off but ultimately he significantly contributed to the crash. PS: Not having GPW's on planes in a country as mountainous as Spain is outrageous and once again, trying to save money, they end up with blood on their hands.

[@toastercatx]

@@annakeye perhaps the captain was not happy with the FO because he didn't participate in the strikes? Childish in such a responsible position. But at the end of the day the first error was Iberia not paying the most crucial members of their team, and not having GPWs installed in the first place. As long as anybody is putting profit over safety these things will happen.

[@MenwithPurpose2012]

@@annakeye the altimeters were decent, but just difficult to read. And they weren't trying to save money, but use much fuel as they could so that the airline does not save money

[@rfvtgbzhn]

@@annakeye corporations always try to save money. This is why you need strict regulation. This largely works in the airline industry but there are sometimes oversight, a good recent example is the MCAS system of the 737 Max and the fact that the FAA didn't insist on it being thoroughly tested, which Boeing didn't do to accelerate development.

[@rfvtgbzhn]

@@MenwithPurpose2012 annakeye was referring to the airline saving money by not upgrading their 727s with GPWS.

[@cyb3rfa1ry666]

its crazy to think youve only been doing videos for a year, yet i trust your sources more than a lot of aviation channels! thank you for spreading light on these accidents, you never leave me disappointed!!

[@ZombieSazza]

Same here, and on top of that I actually prefer Green Dot over all the other aviation channels, his research is fantastic, he doesn’t constantly repeat himself, he’s a good storyteller, he makes everything easy to understand. Hands down my favourite aviation channel!

[@m.streicher8286]

He popped up with great production value I'm not surprised

[@isbestlizard]

Crazy that these 'pilots' apparently can spend minutes at a time, flying through fog with no visibility, around mountains, and not once glance at their altimeter to maintain situational awareness.

[@streettrialsandstuff]

They get used to autopilot performing what they told it to, so they felt safe. And the Captain that supposed to monitor, well, I guess he was too occupied with thoughts about how else he can screw the airline that screwed him.

[@lunasloanbailey]

​@@streettrialsandstuff Yeah, and he ultimately screwed himself and all onboard. What a selfish dick.

[@siraj7397]

They should aviate navigate n communicate

[@merricat3025]

@@streettrialsandstuff well, he got his wish

[@olivercharles2930]

@@merricat3025 ouch

[@eldrago19]

And there I was thinking not paying aircraft captains could only happen in Cabin Pressure

[@jezzamobile]

Lesson: Pay the pilot.

[@Mrlimabean01]

3:38 skip the commercial

[@timmack2415]

I can't even imagine the amount of research, editing and writing it takes to produce these videos is amazing.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks! 🙏🏼 It is a lot of work but it’s what we love :)

[@enriquevega4480]

aircraft was EC-DDU "Alhambra de Granada" delivered in 1979 to Iberia

[@Rapidly_]

I don't understand how they're not paying their working employees?? That's illegal in my country

[@babygrrlpc5057]

Thank you so much for these videos. And while some people think it's annoying for multiple channels to cover the same incident, I find that each channel brings something interesting. I find your videos not only interesting and informative, but I could listen to you talk for hours. Not the same for some of the other channels :-) Thanks again. You are appreciated!

[@rl7012]

90% the companies fault for not paying their pilots, causing such bad feeling, giving them ill equipped planes with no ground proximity warning and using the same warning sound for too high and too low. Some fault is also with the captain for not helping the first officer at the most crucial part of the flight although his sulking during the flight was understandable seeing as how him and his fellow pilots had been treated and he was having to work unpaid. Some fault also goes to those who let the tv lot stick a huge Ariel high up on a known flight landing path.

[@mfronti]

I feel so bad for the families that hear these summations of these disasters, knowing how they could’ve been averted

[@joemomma1763v]

Sadly the rules of aviation are written in blood

[@kjelladrian3205]

Many things the airline and the pilots did wrong here. First of all to reinstate a captain that hadn't had any flying experience in half a year was criminal. Secondly, the captain should have been able to lay his grudge against his employer aside during the flight. That level of professionalism should be self evident for a captain responsible for hundreds of passengers; he failed to watch the instruments. With some attention he would quite easily have spotted the mistakes of the pilot/first officer. Thirdly, strange that it took so long for GPWS to become mandatory; after all, the first models came in the 1970:s.

[@johnfisher7143]

All airlines have currency rules for their pilots. If they haven’t flown for some time due to taking time off or medical issue they have to re-qualify in the simulator or with a check captain. There’s no way they let a captain who hasn’t flown for six months just jump in the left hand seat and start flying. There are rules for this reason.

[@kwanlinus6999]

Strangely, the captain's decision was not led to the accident, but the first officer's inexperience

[@kmorton54]

I always watch your and "The Flight Channel". What I really like about your channel, is the excellent narration you provide

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you very much! ❤️

[@legacyleader39]

Congratulations on 100k subs! You deserve it. Felt like forever since the previous upload! Thank you for this.

[@kyryloslav]

Two takeaways from this insane story 1) thank god we have GPWS now 2) what the hell? pay your pilots! Hundreds of lives depend on them every flight, don't destabilize their mental state

[@internetpolification]

I just discovered your channel and find it fascinating. Perfect narration and style. Excellent subject selection. Love it

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks so much! Hope you enjoy the rest of the videos 😁

[@TehWhiteTiger]

100% on the company imo. the Captain technically did nothing wrong as he wasn't getting paid to do a job to begin with.

[@micheleshively8557]

I love your explanations of these accidents! Thanks so much

[@erenoz2910]

Pay your pilots.

[@Goldstone93]

This is so well explained. You can just see how several unrelated factors came together to cause this. It’s a textbook example of how disasters are never caused by a single event.

[@ut561]

also that antenna should have never been in the flight path ! great video as always.

[@fjlkagudpgo4884]

terrible w0rking c0nditions and un1on busting tactics killed all these people

[@gregmeyer9595]

I recently found your channel (just a couple days ago) and have watched several videos, just wanted to say as an average American who has only been on 15 or so flights and has little to no aviation knowledge that your description of flight, instrumentation, aviation logistics etc. is incredible and really puts me in a position to understand what has happened and why. I’ve subscribed and am currently binge watching. I appreciate the obvious hard work and thank you for all you put into it. Be safe and keep it up my friend. Can’t wait for the next one.

[@MidnightGazebo]

Really filling the aviation disaster bingo card this week - airport without radar, aircraft without GPWS, incorrect approach chart, poor CRM, junior pilot intimidated by senior...

[@sirfanatical8763]

Dutch always said "Revenge is a fools game"

[@j.o.1516]

Don't know what you are talking about. There is zero evidence to support any claim that the captain was either taking revenge nor that his mental state had direct affect on the outcome - this is simply speculation. The crash might have happened regardless - it was not the first CFIT and was not the last, not by a long shot.

[@mohamedbelbehri3686]

Many thanks for these very interesting and narrative style . My only request would be that whether you can make these great videos a tad longer - perhaps with more detail of the post incident investigation. Many thanks!

[@pla7695]

It's always a great day when Green Dot posts! You explain these concepts and crashes in a clear and captivating way. well done for reaching 100k subscribers!!

[@QueenofMarine]

The airline not paying pilots is obviously unethical but it's also extremely unsafe and endangers the lives of passengers. But that being said, for the pilot to decide mid-flight that he's going to refuse to speak or participate in the flight is extremely childish, dangerous, and stupid. The only people he was punishing with his behavior were his fellow pilots, crew, and innocent passengers that didn’t deserve to die because he was pissed off about his job.

[@michaelmitchell9612]

Green Dot Team/Pilot Mentour sets the standard for outstanding videos on KZbin.

[@TheRipperxX9]

Totally agree! Best content out there from these two.

[@jumi9342]

I'm not that much into planes but your videos have me hooked. I like your voice, the way you explain things even for someone like me who has no idea and how you put your videos together. I always enjoy the survivals a bit more than the accidents that result in deaths.

[@turningthetables]

congrats on 100k!!!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you so much 😀

[@combatduckie]

some people have personality deficiencies trhat make them unfit and unqualified to work as a pilot and similar jobs where lack of descupline and personality traits can cost lives. I also, as a rule, never fly with Eastern or Southern European airlines, nor Arab muslim airlines. They tend to have staff thats mentally unfit and lacks of calmness and collctedness and are mentally unbalanced and too emotional. I feel safer that way.

[@yellowrose0910]

06:00 The altimeter shows "26,300". Even if the last two digits don't change (which is stupid), it still indicates altitude up to the nearest?/lowest? 100 feet. What's the problem?

[@peteconrad2077]

I explained above how this affects the brains processing and leads to error. It’s a genuine and serious issue, especially when under high workload.

[@wg2.]

Great content! Air India Flight 182 pls

[@ManxAndy]

Sadly, we only learn from the mistakes those who preceded us have made……😔

[@DutchDesires]

So gonna listen to this while I fall asleep in 5 minutes from now 🙏. I know you "don't know how to feel about that" but I'll promise to be nice, leave a like in advance and watch the video tomorrow 🕊️

[@toastercatx]

These are great to fall asleep to! His voice is so clear and calm, and the situation is explained so carefully and completely it's easy to follow what's happening without actually thinking about it. Ideal for drifting off, then I rewatch when I'm awake and like the videos that I've actually "watched" to keep track. Well, I've binged them all now..

[@mycroftsanchez901]

A crash caused by not paying their pilots! I hope the families of the victims sued the arses off of Iberia Airlines.

[@dave1728]

Maybe they should also have made sure their pilots were paid!

[@mattjohnson788]

I often fly from London to Bilbao (and vice versa). It can be a son of a bitch landing in Bilbao. Generally because of the wind. I often think of this accident when we're landing, flying over Monte Oiz on our descent into Loiu.

[@Nehmo]

I've watched a number of these plane crash videos, and although I recognize my sample is skewed, it sure seems the primary cause of crashes is the attitude of the pilots. But attitude, I mean their unjustified belief that they personally are the most important thing. It's a case of excessive entitlement. I, myself, have some experience in this regard. I'm not angry about it; I'm just adding evidence to my point. Many years ago, I was a low-level worker at Daytona Beach International. When the planes would come in, every crew member would greet us by saying, "Hi" or waving or something. I mean every crew member *except* the pilots. They were too good to acknowledge us. Indeed, I don't recall *ever* receiving a greeting acknowledgment from a pilot.

[@jamiecheslo]

Always look forward to your videos. Your style is so clear and concise, you make it incredibly easy to follow what is going on with the aircraft at any given point in the accident flight and sequence. Keep up the outstanding work!

[@zerfetzt]

Really glad that you continue posting videos. Found your channel some time ago, but already watched nearly everything on the channel. Thanks for your work!

[@lukajalo8635]

2:45 NOOOO GET AWAY FROM ME AND MY FAMILY NOOOOO

[@Dagrdottir]

Firstly, my condolences to the families of all those lost in this tragedy. Secondly, thank you for this video. It's painstaking detail, done with respect to the laymen like myself, is so interesting and I have no trouble in understanding the train of events.

[@randomdazz]

I get it that he was pissed about not being paid - but why would you risk your own life and a crash even then - seems a bit extreme to me - also - hope this is a lesson to employers who penalise their staff for strikes.

[@JJ-nn6sk]

I have recently come across your channel and now addicted! I’ve been binge watching!! The quality of your videos is brilliant 🙌

[@МихайлоСєльський]

Did final report recommend airlines to pay their pilots?

[@JFirn86Q]

I've binged all your videos in the recent weeks. I like that you use your real voice, rather than some goofy text-to-speech, or text on screen. You have a great story telling and technical detail presentation. Thank you

[@KONAMAN100]

That's true. I always abandon every auto voice I ever hear.

[@kaioo1658]

The pilot was a baby he knew he wasn’t getting payed he should have looked for another company. He went to work knowing he wasn’t get payed so why act like that?

[@sirgalalot88]

Is it me or……are those older altimeters actually easier to read?

[@sachadee.6104]

I thought so too.

[@peteconrad2077]

No. Under pressure. The brain finds it harder to process and so skips part of it.

[@joemama069]

Not paying your employees is inexcusable, especially in a setting where they are the ones guaranteeing the safety of thousands of customers, but not even in my wildest dreams could I imagine killing myself and 147 people over not getting paid.

[@TheRipperxX9]

Thank you for the video Green Dot. Great as always and one of the best out there. This one hit hard personally since I’m from Spain and I had no idea about this accident and the troubles that our national carrier was going through back in the day. Good thing GPWS was made mandatory here in Spain, hard to understand how such a basic safety feature wasn’t a thing here up until not that long ago. I’ll ask my dad about the incident since he’s an aviation freak and I’m sure he knows well about it.

[@qmto]

I’m amazed the first officer was ok with the increased stressful work load, all because the captain was feuding with the airline. Ridiculous.