Why We Believe - The Trinity

[@amydelafuente9423]

What an incredible sermon!! My husband and I have been so incredibly blessed by Dr. James White! God brought us out of the oneness heresy and into His glorious truth as we saw debates where James White was speaking! Now, I’m just trying to learn as much as I can so I can defend the doctrine of the Trinity. God bless him, Pastor Durbin, and this church!

[@jessenone3708]

oneness is just another form of Trinity. It's an attempt to solve logical problems in Trinity but in so doing onenesss reates new illogical problems, such as Jesus is his own daddy.

[@ministeronaldstimphil5448]

The Oneness heresy is as bad as the Trinity heresy. The trinity is totally FALSE!!! No matter how we try to cloak it with biblical language, it will never have the strength of Scripture. The Bible is clear as to God's nature, so why do we insist on a humanly designed philosophy of God. While there is God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, God does NOT EXPRESS Himself as a Trinity. That is what makes arguing against the Trinity tricky. Those who uphold the doctrine erroneously think that questioning the Trinity means that one does not believe in the deity of Christ or of the Holy Spirit. That is absurd. Some might, but more thoughtful thinkers who are philologist in their approach believe otherwise. Is it not a bit strange that we insist on using a word that the Bible does not use? It defeats the purpose of God forbidding anyone to add to the words of the Bible. According to the Bible, the Father ALONE is God (1 Corinthians 8:6). The Son is the visible representation of the Father and is God by virtue of Him having the FULNESS of the Father in Him (Colossians 1:15, 19). there is a close connection between Father and Son. Jesus Himself testified to it: "The Father and I are one." The trinity states that the Son is NOT the Father and vice versa, when the Bible clearly states that the Father is inside the Son. Finally, the Holy Spirit is God by virtue of being the VERY Spirit of God. If the Holy Spirit IS the Spirit of God, how can He not be God? So, why does the doctrine of the Trinity declare that the Holy Spirit IS NOT the Father? How could the Spirit of the Father not be the Father? The doctrine of trinity describes us a caricature of God that is totally unrecognizable from how God describes Himself in His word. The true mystery is how God got to be existing while being in the Son and simultaneously have a Spirit that is both from the Son and Him, the Father (Romans 8:9)? This can be easily explained, because God can divide Himself and still remain Himself (Isaiah 66:9). The problem is that Isaiah 66:9 has been purposefully mistranslated. For some unknown reason, the Hebrew word "shabar" which normally means "to break into pieces" was translated in all versions "to bring forth birth." That latter translation is very doubtful since "shabar" shows up 148 times in the OT, and ONLY in this ONE instance did the translators render it "to bring forth birth." My humble opinion is that they did so, because they did not want to contradict the indivisibility of God purported by the trinity doctrine. The Trinity claims that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are co-eternal, meaning that they exist in eternity as they are. This is nonsense since the concept of fatherhood involves an originator and an offspring. Eternity does not impede that relationship. The fatherhood of God can only happen as a result of the Son originating from Him, thus God's ability to divide Himself. The divisibility of God is a BIBLICAL principle and an attribute of God. As God is able to divide Himself, he can also gather Himself back together (Job 34:14-15). This scripture proves to us that the spirit that God has put inside each one of us and inside the animals came from Him (where else would the spirit be from?). The trinity doctrine is dangerous in that it promotes a human definition of God to the expense of God's description of Himself in His word and in His own words. It is time for the deception to be over. Christians need to wake up and shake it off.

[@MultiRocknroll123]

It was such a joy to join in fellowship with you all that day. My wife and I were on our honeymoon to Arizona/Utah that day from Indiana and were so glad and refreshed to worship and hear this message. We are actually moving to the Phoenix area in January and cannot potentially wait for more!

[@mitchellc4]

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

@@mitchellc4 Trinitarians are monotheists

[@mitchellc4]

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 Who is Jesus repeatedly referring to as “my God”? Rev 3 12 He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. Who is Peter and Paul referring to as “the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

@@mitchellc4 if the Father is God (and He is) then Jesus would say he is My God. on the other hand the Father would also call Jesus His God (see Heb 1:8) works both ways

[@mitchellc4]

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 God has called humans “god” in an honorific sense multiple times in scripture Jesus mentions this “ye are gods” The Father NEVER calls anyone “my God” Nobody EVER refers to “the God of the Father” The Father doesn’t have a God Jesus does Jesus refers to “my God” Peter and Paul refers to “the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”

[@krazo4Christ]

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."

[@jjj-gs3gq]

That verse actually says that Jesus is the father son and Holy Spirit it says I am with you always it doesn't say another being is with you it says I am with you Jesus

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

@@jjj-gs3gq God is ONE BEING & 3 PERSONS

[@markrohde1050]

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 God is one spirit being, invisible. Jesus is a man, God’s Son and servant, our brother and mediator. This is plainly documented throughout scripture. God is one being and three persons is not in the Bible. This man made doctrine started in the fourth century under Greek and Roman influence. Jesus and other New Testament writers referred to the Hebrew text to show that God’s human Messiah must suffer and die and that God would raise him back to life and exalt him to the highest position possible, his own right hand. The second person of a trinity didn’t die for your sins. The man Christ Jesus did. God raised Jesus from the dead. When God sends Jesus back he (who has been given all power and authority by God) will raise the dead and judge all people. 1 Corinthians 15:1-28 and the rest of scripture when rightly divided confirm. Jesus prayed that we might know the Father, the only true God (John 17:3). there are over 760 distinctions between nGod and Jesus in the Bible. They are not the same being and only one of them is the true God. God is one. Nowhere does it say he is three persons in one being. I think it’s time we get back to the simple truth of one God and one Lord as proclaimed by David in Psalm 110:1. God bless you

[@markrohde1050]

Did you ever wonder why after Jesus spoke these words, there is not a single record in scripture where any of his disciples carried out this command? Instead, they baptized in the name of Jesus Christ only. Why would they disobey the last commandment that he gave them? Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, etc.

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

@@markrohde1050 Jesus is fully God and fully man.

[@hopeinHim5160]

What a beautiful and clearly delivered message of truth. Thank you Dr. White. I praise God!, Father , Son , Holy Spirit! The Trinity!! The Lord came after me, a lost and broken sheep. I was mormon. I am now born again Christian, on Fire for Jesus the Christ! Ephesians 2.8-10 woke me up. I could never do all l could do to earn the grace in mormon doctrine. That's an impossible gosole. I became a perfectionist mess. I never knew how Holy, glorious, amazing and awesome the Lord Jesus Christ, Father Son and Holy Spirit was within Mormonism. They do follow after a false jesus who cannot save. I pray for them everyday. 🙏🕊️🔥✝️⚔️🛡️🌹

[@virgiliogarrett4463]

BASIC SCRIPTURAL TRUTH TO HELP HONEST-HEARTED ONES SEE PAST THE MATRIX OF THIS LYING WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN THE UNIVERSAL FAMILY COMPRISES OF ALL INTELLIGENT BEINGS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD: 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4 GOD’S FIRST CREATION IS MENTIONED IN PROVERBS 8:22-36 WHICH REVEALS WHAT IS TAUGHT IN COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 THIS IS CONFIRMED IN THE WORDING OF JOHN 3:16 WHERE THE TERM “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” IS USED TO DESCRIBE THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD AS ATTESTED TO IN REVELATION 3:14 AFTER JEHOVAH GOD CREATED HIS FIRST SON THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE CREATED CAME INTO EXISTENCE BY MEANS OF JEHOVAH GOD BEING THE GREAT ARCHITECT AND HIS FIRST CREATION BECOMING THE MASTER BUILDER AS EXPLAINED IN JOHN 5:19 AFTER THE DIRECT CREATION OF THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON” CREATED BY GOD TOGETHER THEY PRODUCED BROTHERS FOR THE FIRST SON TO HAVE AS STATED IN COLOSSIANS 1:16 THUS CAUSING JEHOVAH GOD TO BECOME THE FATHER TO A GREAT MULTITUDE OF SONS BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE JOB 38:7 ALL THE SONS OF GOD ARE LITERALLY CREATED IN THE SAME NATURAL SPIRITUAL ESSENCE OF GOD’S IMAGE: HEBREWS 1:7; HEBREWS 12:29 WHEN THE CONTEXT OF CREATION IS KEPT IN PLACE WE CAN SEE WITH OUR MIND’S EYE WHO IT WAS THAT THE CREATOR JEHOVAH GOD WAS TALKING TO IN GENESIS 1:26 AS EXPLAINED IN JOHN 1:3,4 IT IS BECAUSE GOD’S FIRST CREATION TOOK ON FLESH THAT HE WOULD ALSO BECOME BROTHERS WITH: JOHN 1:12 THE FACT THAT JESUS CAN AND DOES HAVE BROTHERS IS WHAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS ALSO A CREATION OF GOD THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION AS JESUS SELF PROCLAIMS: REVELATION 3:14 BECAUSE THE HUMAN SECTOR OF THE UNIVERSAL FAMILY WAS STEERED INTO TAKING A WRONG TURN THE FATHER OF ALL INTELLIGENT CREATION BEING A JUST GOD TOOK ACTION TO MELT OUT JUSTICE BEING THAT ONE OF HIS SONS TURNED INTO A TRADER AND TOOK TO MISLEADING OTHERS JEHOVAH GOD AGAIN DELEGATED TO HIS FIRSTBORN SON: 1 JOHN 3:8 AS SET PERFECT JUSTICE: DEUTERONOMY 19:21 CALLS FOR AN EXACT EQUAL VALUE: 1 CORINTHIANS 15:45 THEREFORE SINCE IT IS THE WICKED ANGELIC SONS OF GOD THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSING HARM TO THE HUMAN FAMILY JUSTICE MERITS THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HUMANS BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN THE TABLE: 1 CORINTHIANS 6:3 BECAUSE THE SON OF GOD WHO IS ALSO THE CHEIF AGENT OF LIFE WAS SENT TO EARTH TO BECOME A HUMAN - HE TOO EXPERIENCED DEATH BY MEANS OF THE ONE WHO CAUSED DEATH TO ENTER INTO THE WORLD: GENESIS 3:15; HEBREWS 2:9,10 JEHOVAH GOD BEING THE CREATOR/FATHER OF ALL INTELLIGENT CREATURES THAT WERE CREATED IN HIS IMAGE IS SEEING TO IT THAT JUSTICE WILL BE CARRIED OUT BY MEANS OF: EPHESIANS 1:10 THEREFORE JESUS AND THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF HIS BROTHERS WILL GO TO HEAVEN TO MAKE UP THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE HEAVENLY KINGDOM/GOVERNMENT THAT WILL BRING ABOUT JUSTICE FOR ALL: REVELATION 14:3 WILL RESTORE THE PERFECT CONDITIONS ON EARTH THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE FIRST HUMAN BEINGS: ROMANS 8:19 JESUS SUFFERED DEATH WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE CREATOR COULD NEVER EXPERIENCE THIS IS WHY JESUS CAN HAVE BROTHERS: HEBREWS 2:11,14 THE AUTHORITY OF JESUS BROTHERS: REVELATION 5:10; 2:26,27 AT THE COMPLETION OF JESUS MISSION: 1 CORINTHIANS 15:24-28 THE TEACHINGS OF THE TRINITY DIMINISH THE FATHER AND THE SON BY EQUATING ALMIGHTY GODSHIP TO THE SON WHICH EXCLUSIVELY BELONGS TO THE FATHER AS THE ONLY UNCREATED BEING: 1 JOHN 2:22

[@Apol-los]

"They do it out of tradition not conviction. A horrible reality."

[@booyaka870]

I can count to three - a reality, whether horrible or tradition; its useful.

[@bfreenstrongerfreebritney1814]

This is feeding my soul. Thank you, Apologia, for your boldness and love for the Word of God.

[@viviennebaptiste]

I've been studying on the trinity for a while now and can I just say that there is a genuine need for thorough comprehensive study of the fundamental Bible truths we hold. People rely so much on the Pope, pastors, prophets and others to teach them the Bible, that they are prone to putting the pastor's word above the Lord's. We need to study the Bible ourselves through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have to allow God to speak for Himself. This is what God has opened my eyes to, now I see why sometimes Athiests and Agnostics and people of other faith think Christians are brainwashed, because we rather rely on pastors and church leaders to teach us about God other than having a relationship with God, studying His word, and questioning the doctrines that we are taught. The Lord laid it on my heart to tell you this. To tell anyone that would listen this. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one. It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches) and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it. (notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.

[@markrohde1050]

@Tyler B #2 of course they are distinct persons. One is the invisible god the father who is spirit. The other is the son of David and the son of God, the man Jesus Christ who will rule on his father David’s throne forever.

[@kevinwall2882]

@Vivienne I believed the Oneness doctrine for 29 years,and during those years I had accepted the teaching by the words of men,rather than the word of God. I left it in 2012,restudied scripture and have come to the conclusion that the doctrine of Oneness Pentecostalism is scripturally void and false. You’ve mentioned about brainwashing,and yes I was when I was a part of the movement. You can talk about history,but still you cannot deny what is so clearly evident throughout the scriptures. I thank God for men like James White who proclaim through much study of a biblical truth.

[@nomadnationalist2776]

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[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

Thank you Pastor White! My jw neighbors are moving soon and I needed to outfit my tool belt a little more to muster up a dissertation. This is a great reinforcing narrative! (Listening a couple times and taking notes.)

[@Sirach144]

Trinitarianism is easy to refute. Noticed that most of his references are scattered in peace together through the Bible but when you look at some of these scriptures, I’m about to post you’ll notice that only one person is called God in them. 👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 👉yet for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 1 Corinthians 8:6 👉 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. 1 Timothy 2:5‭-‬6 👉and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s. 1 Corinthians 3:23 ASV 👉Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'" John 20:17 👉 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him. John 3:2 ASV 👉 And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. Luke 2:52 ASV 👉 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell. Ephesians 5:2 ASV 👉 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, like in pattern to the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us: Hebrews 9:24 ASV 👉 “to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭16:27‬ ‭ASV‬‬ 👉and has made us to be a kingdom and priests TO SERVE HIS GOD AND FATHER--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Rev 1:6 👉Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--EXCEPT GOD ALONE. Luke 18:19 👉For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; John 5:26 How is God granted to have life in himself? "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15 👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. Acts 3:13 ASV 👉 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen. Romans 16:27 ASV 👉to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen. Jude 1:25 👉one Lord, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all. Ephesians 4:5‭-‬6 ASV 👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and TRUE GOD, and to wait for HIS SON from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV 👉 that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; Ephesians 1:17 ASV Loo 👉 "Let not your heart be troubled: BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME. John 14:1 👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name. Revelation 3:12 ASV 👉 And one of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together, and knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, What commandment is the first of all? Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Of a truth, Teacher, thou hast well said that HE is one; and there is none other but HE: and to love HIM with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is much more than all whole burnt-offerings and sacrifices. Mark 12:28‭-‬33 ASV 👉 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof. Revelation 21:22 ASV 👉 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know; him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: whom God raised up, having loosed the pangs of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. Acts 2:22‭-‬24 ASV 👉that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; having the eyes of your heart enlightened, that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, Ephesians 1:17‭-‬20 ASV 👉Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. Acts 2:36 ASV 👉Now when Jesus came into the parts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:13‭-‬17 ASV ⁸👉 (Speaking about Yahweh): “And now the LORD says, he who formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob back to him; and that Israel might be gathered to him - for I [the Messiah] am honored in the eyes of the LORD [Yahweh], and my God has become my strength - he says: ‘It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.'” 👉 Micah 5:4 - And he [the Messiah] shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD [Yahweh] his God. And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great to the ends of the earth. 👉even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. Acts 10:38 ASV 👉 For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4 ASV 👉to all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:7‭-‬8 ASV 👉 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and the glory that cometh from the only God ye seek not? John 5:43‭-‬44 ASV 👉 For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV

[@gabrielkinzel3389]

I never thought so many Unitarians existed until I saw this comment section.

[@mdmorell]

I'm not a Unitarian. But I don't believe in the Trinity because its not found in the Bible. Isn't that a good reason?

[@gabrielkinzel3389]

What do you mean that you don’t find it in the Bible? The sermon by James gives plenty of biblical evidence.

[@mdmorell]

@@gabrielkinzel3389 Please show me, clearly from the Bible, that the one God is a unity of 3 persons. That's all I ask.

[@mdmorell]

@DJ NJ Isn't it sad though, that the "Protestant" church has gone back into the loving embrace of the "central doctrine" of the Catholics and teach the Trinity as boldly as they? It is the ultimate Idolatry to believe in a Trinity god which comes - not from the Word - but from church councils and church Tradition.

[@truthbebold4009]

#notaunitarian...not a Trinitarian either. Or a modalist. Or etc

[@ivansvintsitsky8787]

There are a lot of heretics in the comment section.

[@krioni86sa]

so there are 3 gods in the christian bible?

[@angbry8305]

@Jonathan Billings Jesus did not teach the trinity though.

[@ReformedRabbit]

@@angbry8305 God did not create a man to die for our sins. This would make God a coward and the sacrifice on the cross would not be a true showing of God's grace. As if a husband sent his friend to die for his wife because he was to cowardly to do it when the moment called for it. The significance of the cross comes from the fact that Jesus IS God and died for His own people. God is one in ESSENCE, but 3 in person. This also shows us that God did not create us because He was lonely or had need of companionship. He had existed in 3 persons eternally and has had eternal fellowship with Himself. It shoukd humble us that God would create us, and then die (PHYSICALLY) for us. He who knew no sin became sin (suffered for us). Now we know God can't die spiritually. But God did die physically for us. He became flesh to do that, for it is the only kind of death which was possible for us to be redeemed. Because Jesus can't die spiritually, apart from Him coming to earth in physical form, no sacrifice would have been possible for our sins.

[@walterrobertson3265]

The earliest believers who introduced a Trinitarian concept was, Origin and Tertullian, who had a different understanding of the Trinitarian doctrine. They talked about subsistence of Christ to the Father and also the Latin term personae which is taken directly from the stage when an actor would change his mask out from a happy face to a sad face for example. This is what the original understanding of what person meant. We can understand this with the example of an individual imPERSONating an officer. He’s acting as an officer though he’s not. It is better to understand God to be one who manifests himself rather than to say that he is 3 persons such as you and I would understand to be today in the year 2020. Later both Origin and Tertullian were deemed Heretics as the Trinitarian doctrine developed over the course of 400 years plus. A ridiculous doctrine.

[@ReformedRabbit]

@@walterrobertson3265 Its a good thing we don't get out authority from those two fallen men but from God's Word. Jesus is God, Jesus forgave sins, Jesus received praise and worship. No disciple would dare allow themselves to be worshipped. Peter told Cornelius to get off his knees. Yet the same Peter got on his knees and worshipped Jesus. One is not saved unless the God Jesus had saved them. All other views of Jesus are cheap substitutes lacking grace and turning God into a coward.

[@ginamiller6754]

I feel in great company if Jesus had to teach the disciples over & over again 😁

[@sergiodeativo1470]

So refreshing hearing Dr Brother James White and not Sam Shamoun explain the trinity we don't get cursed while learning.

[@retrograd332]

Thanks for the sermon Dr White

[@DillonJan]

What is more irritating is the question of "where is it described in the bible that Jesus said: I'm God, worship me?" Doesn't mean that it is not described in literal sense, that it is not there or never there. The whole bible is describing the beauty of The Trinity.

[@antonioterrell354]

Except that despite the insistence of Trinitarians, the Trinity doctrine isn't really described anywhere in scripture "literally" or otherwise. But is totally a post-biblical theology derived from pagan philosophical concepts developed centuries after Christ and apostles lived. That must be brought in from outside the Bible and then forced onto the text by its supporters. That is, through an extreme exercise in "eisegesis." ....

[@DillonJan]

@@antonioterrell354 i dont really agree with you there that the Trinitarian view is eisegetical rather than exegetical. The Trinitarian views has been discussed since the 1st century till Nicean that it was agreed upon. It was never opposed by the church Fathers, also in the middle ages we have brilliant Christian philosophy thinkers that does not opposed it but studied on that matters even further, both the Catholics and the protestant reformation. Im curious on your views, if it is not the Trinitarian views of God then what are your thoughts on Matthew 3:16-17 the baptisms of Jesus.

[@antonioterrell354]

@@DillonJan ; And in turn I must disagree there is any evidence that Trinitarian discussion extended back to the 1st century CE. As such a concept or mentality was definitely the product of a much later age. And I agree the ANF did not deny the doctrine, but because there's no evidence any were even aware of the Trinity to even have an opportunity to deny it. Though I agree that some of them, principally Tertullian, in their unwise course of mixing Christianity with pagan philosophy, help pave the way for the later formulation of the doctrine at Nicea. And regarding Matt. 3:16, 17, I see that as Christ being formally anointed with the power of the holy spirit as a sign of his Father in heaven approval. To where thenceforth Jesus may begin his three and a half year earthly ministry and perform all the requisite miracles as a sign God is with him through his empowerment of the holy spirit within him.

[@mdmorell]

I agree that Jesus has the Nature of God (Phil. 2:5, 6) but Jesus calls the Father "the only true God..." John 17:3 And even more strikingly says He is His God - John 20:17 which agrees with Eph. 1:2, 3. It cannot be that a coeternal member of a generic Trinity has any real submissive parts - all are necessarily coequal and co-authoritative. The Bible indicates Jesus was given His life, power and name by "inheritance" from His Father. See John 5:26; Heb. 1:1-5 That is not possible in a described Trinity.

[@bryanoldenburg9870]

James White is brilliant and explains one of our main beliefs very clearly. We need to sharpen our views regarding the Trinity, not only for our overall philosophical blueprint, but for giving a defense when Muslims, Mormons, J.W.s, et. al. approach us. This was very helpful in explaining that most early Christians simply took the triune God as a given (and invented a word for this reality somewhat later). J.W. (surely not a Watch Tower kind of J.W.) has a folksy, down-to-earth and often humorous approach, which effectively helps deliver his ingenious messages. Excellent stuff!

[@Yehoshoua6650]

AhYah is not tree in one, is one operatig in tree, there is only one throne in heaven

[@diosdadoapias]

This James White is use in debating-intellectualizing Biblical issues like the Trinity. No matter how James White combine those verses and reason he devises to defend Trinity it appears clearly that such is not Biblical theology but intellectualizing or rationalizing- attempting to justify with logical, plausible reasons even if these were not true or appropriate

[@myname-ys1hf]

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." John 3:16,17 What can we learn from the words of Jesus? 1. God is the Father of Jesus Christ. 2. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 3. God had a Son to send into the world.

[@angbry8305]

Yes, and just as God sent him out Jesus sends us out as sheep among the wolves. 16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the *Spirit of your Father* which speaketh in you.

[@mrsdimas3433]

Jesus was also God! John 8:58 Jesus calls himself (I am)

[@angbry8305]

@@mrsdimas3433 "I am" is ego eimi in the Greek. It's used over 700 times in the bible by many different people. Including the Samaritan woman at the well. Jesus told her exactly who is he is and it was not GOD.

[@mrsdimas3433]

@@angbry8305 John 10:30 I and the father are one. The Pharisees tried to stone Jesus many times because he claimed to be God. Would you also stone him?

[@angbry8305]

@@mrsdimas3433 why would I stone my brother? Jesus said, " *we* are all each others brothers and sisters and *we* have one Father in heaven" Jesus was always correcting the Pharisees. He told them he is the son of God. Not God.

[@joebernal2553]

My whole church will be taught this amazing truth ....we are a trinitarian church...but we just dug deeper...thank u Jesus

[@vlatkosurlan545]

Absolutely the most horrific wrong direction to go. Distort the entire scriptures with a hideous pagan lie. Yeshua is NOT the most high God as He Himself stated countless times.

[@jwright8838]

Why do people make silly arguments like, "How can God die?". It shows an incredible lack of understanding about what Christians actually believe about Jesus, the Triune God, and death. If you criticize belief in the Lord Jesus by asking how God can die, then please take a day and learn what Christian's actually believe. I'll give you some hints: hypostatic union, uniqueness of Yahweh - being versus personhood, final judgement and the eternal state.

[@angbry8305]

Because God is the self existing one. He is *ho on* = self existing not *ego eimi* = "I am"

[@kyleharris9456]

Angela S. AR “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭

[@kyleharris9456]

DJ NJ “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭

[@IchigosShinraTensei]

@DJ NJ let me make this as easy as possible to understand. whenever anybody dies EVER, its a bodily death that is being referred to. nobody's spirit has ever been killed expect by GOD in Hell. When you die, its your body that ceases to function and your spirit goes to be with God in heaven or in Hell. so how can 'God die'? easy the same way the rest of us do in a bodily death NOT spiritual death. God is Spirit, God's Spirit can't die, but when God takes on a physical body and takes on physical limitations aka Christ Jesus, that bodily death does nothing to impact his spirit. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

[@angbry8305]

@@IchigosShinraTensei Immortality is inherited. Jesus said his *rewards* are with him. There are only *two resurrections* GOD said, ye shall surely die. The Spirit in you that causes you to breathe is GODs. It gies back to him at death. Scripture says the dead know nothing.

[@praveenUFO]

I BELIEVE IN THE FATHER,THE SON AND THE HOLYSPIRIT

[@lglg6489]

Everlasting Father, Prince of peace, seen of angels, justified in the spirit, beside me is no other savior.

[@virgiliogarrett4463]

IT'S WONDERFUL TO BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE AS IT ANSWERS ALL OF LIFE'S IMPORTANT QUESTION IN FACT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE THE ANSWER TO WHAT JESUS TELLS US HERE: "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3 THE SCRIPTURES CLEARLY WANTS US TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND EXACTLY WHAT GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT IS AS GOD HIMSELF GIVES HIS PEOPLE THE TRUTH OF HIS WORD SO THAT THEY CAN WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH (JOHN 4:24) "For that reason my people will know my name; For that reason they will know in that day that I am the One speaking. Look, it is I!” Isaiah 52:6 "For then I will change the language of the peoples to a pure language, So that all of them may call on the name of Jehovah, To serve him shoulder to shoulder.’" Zephaniah 3:9

[@mdmorell]

I do too! But not the pagan Trinity teaching, not found in the Bible.

[@virgiliogarrett4463]

@@mdmorell THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A PERSON BUT RATHER IT IS INTRINSIC BELONGING TO THE FATHER AND HE USES IT TO DO OR ACCOMPLISH HIS WILL AND PURPOSE Genesis 1:2 Joel 2:28 Zechariah 4:6 Isaiah 42:1 Isaiah 59:21 Isaiah 44:3 THIS IS WHY WE ARE TOLD: "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." JOHN 17:3 IF THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS A PERSON LIKE THE FATHER AND THE SON IS THAN SURELY JESUS WOULD NOT HAVE EXCLUDED THE HOLY SPIRIT FROM HAVING TO BE KNOWN IN ORDER TO GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE

[@mdmorell]

@@virgiliogarrett4463 The Holy Spirit most definitely IS a person - for He is referred to multiple times using the personal pronoun "he" by Jesus Himself - John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13, etc. A "force" or other entity besides an actual person cannot be grieved - which of course the Holy Spirit of God can according to Eph. 4:30. The point at hand is not IF it is a person, but WHO this person of the Holy Spirit is. We find that answer in: Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. The "He" here clearly is the Spirit of the Father, which is again referred to by the personal pronoun. And since the Father IS a person, His Spirit - the Holy Spirit - is also. Additionally, in vs. 9 we find the Holy Spirit is also the person of Christ as well. It is their very own Divine presence. If you simply read the Bible language regarding the actions and references of the Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ - you cannot come to another conclusion unless you want to discount the plain meaning of the verses.

[@jjj-gs3gq]

On the comforter Jesus says I will come to you ( I )meaning I am the comforter.

[@jaspin555]

I'd say whites argument that a trinitarian nature of God isn't spelled out in scripture is because they all knew who God was. The epistles are going out to gentiles who do not know God, and a trinity is foreign to Judaism. They absolutely would have clearly taught a trinity if it was true. It is the spirit of the Father given through the son, so that we share in one spirit.

[@ChiSoter_2024]

​​@@jaspin555 How could they teach the Trinity if it was not revealed to them (jews)? Does judaism believe in the New Testament?

[@jaspin555]

@ChiSoter I don't understand, we have a revelation of the Son of God who came to show and proclaim the father, and we have the spirit of God indwelling all God's people so that "they will all know me". Why would the Bible not have 1 passage making it clear the person behind the spirit is someone other than the father or son? You think Paul saw jesus personally, was filled with the spirit and writing scripture through the spirit and yet did not know what person's spirit it was?

[@mikhaelkarapetyan4040]

Good point. However, the Spirit is the presence of God which includes the Father and the Son John 14:23 ESV [23] Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

[@sharegreats2157]

Very good sermon about the trinity.

[@REUBENKAMARA-s5u]

I love dr James White❤❤ , I hope to be a Christian apologist oneday

[@sweynforkbeardtraindude]

If you are a Christian, your hope should be in Jesus Christ alone. Being an apologist is worthless. Be winner of souls! Micah 6:8!

[@lonnierandall7882]

I became Christian in 1976 when I was 18. I didn't grow up in a religious family. We were very secular, so I didn't have any preconceived doctrines. I knew there was supposed to be a trinity, but when I read the Bible, I couldn't see it in the scriptures. So I'm not trinitarian. I asked God to reveal it to me in the scriptures. And what He revealed to me is that He is the Holy Spirit. So the Father and the Son are both the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is their being. And there is only one Holy Spirit. Yes, wherever the Father and the Word are, there will also be the Holy Spirit, because they are the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not a third person. Before He became the Son of man, Jesus did exist with the one we call the Father. John 1 says He was with God in the beginning and He was God. They were both YHVH. Our minds always try to diagram or picture things. This is how my mind pictures it. Draw a circle. That circle is the Holy Spirit. Now write Father and Son inside that circle. You can't draw an infinite circle, but the circle is infinite. That is how I visualize it now. But when I think of it before Jesus came as the Son of man, I think of the same circle with YHVH written inside. But it is the exact same thing, except He hadn't taken on the flesh yet. But within YHVH there are still the two personifications. The Holy Spirit is the whole of YHVH, it is His being. So when the Holy Spirit comes to us, it is the Father and the Son coming to us in their Spirit. Lu @ If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Ro @ The Spirit ITSELF beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Ro @ ¶ Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit ITSELF maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 2Co @ Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the EARNEST of the Spirit in our hearts. An earnest is a down payment. 2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the EARNEST of the Spirit. Php @ For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Jesus said He and the Father are One. He also said, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me." The reason He could say that is because they are both the Holy Spirit. God is no different than He always was. He simply put on flesh for a very short time, for a very specific purpose. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. That is why Jesus "became" the son of man; so he could be our mediator. Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. He also needed to become man in order to die in our stead. Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. But He is now at the right hand of the Father in the same state He existed in before he became a man. Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

[@2besavedcom-7]

I was raised in a Christian environment, yet NEVER understood the Trinity... After attending Bible College and asking innumerable questions, I simply did as you have done, and read the Scriptures. I came to (from what I understand of your short comment) the same conclusion and see no Trinity in Scripture. If there is one, it doesn't seem clear at all if it such an important doctrine, yet it doesn't even seem that a number of doctrines held by Christianity are Biblically founded, nor are some of them even salvific.

[@vlatkosurlan545]

Aboslutely no Trinity in the scriptures nowhere. It's a horrible pagan distortion of the simple truth about the Father and the Son. The Father is the only true God.

[@lonnierandall7882]

@@vlatkosurlan545 The Meaning of One 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is ONE Spirit. The Spirit is God's essence. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. That is the missing key to understanding "the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The reason the Father and the Son are One is because they are the Holy Spirit. This scripture makes it plain. The Spirit is also how we are one in them when we believe. Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but IN THE SPIRIT, if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. 10 ¶ And if CHRIST be IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but THE SPIRIT IS LIFE because of righteousness. 11 But if THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS from the dead DWELL IN YOU, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. Ro 12:5 So WE, BEING MANY, ARE ONE BODY IN CHRIST, and every one members one of another. 1Co 10:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD. 1Co 12:12 ¶ For as THE BODY IS ONE, AND HATH MANY MEMBERS, and all the members of that ONE BODY, being many, are ONE BODY: SO ALSO IS CHRIST. In the exact same way, Jesus said,... Joh 10:30 I AND my Father ARE ONE. Joh 17:11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE: (IN THE SAME WAY) Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE IN ME through their word; 21 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE ONE: (IN THE SAME WAY) 23 I IN THEM AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Joh 17:24 ¶ Father, I WILL THAT THEY ALSO, WHOM THOU HAS GIVEN ME, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for THOU LOVEDST ME BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I IN THEM. Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, AND SHALL BE IN YOU. 18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM. Jesus comes to us in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't leave them, it emanates from them. That is how God is omnipresent. His Spirit permeates every place in heaven and earth. In the book of Revelation, in the last two chapters, where it talks about the new heaven and the new earth, we find no mention of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is there, in the Father and the Son. What we do see is a river of life flowing out of the throne. Re 22:1 ¶ And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. Joh 7:37 ¶ In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. Trinity isn’t a good explanation of theFather, Son and Holy Spirit. Look at these references to the Holy Spirit. These are from the kjv. Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, the Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus Christ, Spirit of the Lord , Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the living God, Spirit of our God, Spirit of your Father, holy Spirit of God, Spirit which is of God, Spirit of His Son, his Holy Spirit, My Spirit, His Spirit, the Lord is that Spirit, Spirit of grace, holy Spirit of promise, Spirit of adoption, Spirit of life in Christ, Spirit of life from God, the Spirit itself. The way the Spirit is described in the scripture as being "of God" and "of His Son" and being "His Spirit", it doesn't sound like a third person. I don't think the Spirit is a third person. I think it is what God is. Just as you and I are human beings, the Father and Son are Holy Spirit. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit.

[@vlatkosurlan545]

@@lonnierandall7882 Spot on. Just as I am a spirit that is in my body which is my spirit and not a second person next to me, so also the spirit of God is He Himself and not another person beside Him. Absolutely correct. Trinity is a hideous, pagan lie that distorts the gospel.

[@steelmilkjug]

Right. God is One Holy Spirit, who Speaks from Heaven, comes Down as a Dove, and is the Spirit of Jesus Christ, all simultaneously. His full Name is “Yehovah Yehoshuah Hamashiach” (The Lord Jesus Christ) If you want to get the Truth of God and Revelation of Jesus Christ, Read Zechariah 4:10 (7 eyes of Yehovah) Ezekiel 1 (Vision of Yehovah) Daniel 7 (Vision of Ancient of Day) Revelation 1 and Revelation 4 (Vision of God and Jesus Christ) and Revelation 5:6 (Lamb with 7 eyes and 7 horns, the 7-fold Spirit of God.) Jesus said “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me. I and the Father are One.” And Paul says “The fullness of the God Head was pleased to dwell in Him (Jesus) bodily”. And elsewhere it is written “God was IN Jesus Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.” And Thomas realized Jesus is the Lord God and bowed to worship Him saying “My Lord and My God!” And God/Jesus did not rebuke Him but said “You believe because you have seen. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet Believe.” “Trinity” is not a word God uses to describe Himself. “Trinity” is a word Theologians use to try and describe God. Some get so dogmatic about their own word “Trinity” that they will condemn anyone who doesn’t use it, even though God Himself never does either.

[@kyleharris9456]

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭

[@mdmorell]

This is actually a really good passage which shows Jesus' relationship to the Father. The word for "form" means NATURE. So substituting that word we can see Jesus was GIVEN the Nature of God - His Father. We can also see this from Hebrews 1: Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. WHO appointed Jesus? His Father. Whose "brightness" and "glory" did He have? That of His Father. Whose "express image" was He "made" in? His Father's. He "inherited" it - it wasn't His without being given it through His relationship to His Father. Needless to say......This does NOT describe a Trinity Friend!

[@kyleharris9456]

Michael Morell it doesn’t say he was given the nature of God nowhere does it say that. It says he was in the form of God. And this is before emptying himself and taking on the form of a servant. Being born in the likeness of men. Hebrews 1 doesn’t say he was given the nature of God....nowhere. Exegesis please try to stay in 1 passage have some respect for the word. Now we are in Philippians and Hebrews to exegete Philippians.

[@mdmorell]

@@Judy-cy2fv I'm sorry but no self-respecting Protestant Christian will be satisfied holding the foremost Fundamental Doctrine of the Godhead - WHO God is - as a mere "concept" introduced in the Scripture. Dr Smith was actually quite accurate in initially stating that the Trinity doctrine is found in the "gutter" between the OT and NT - NOT FOUND! That doesn't cut it, when all other doctrines are plainly spelled out in clear language. As I have said, there is NOWHERE in Scripture that a Trinity, represented as 3 persons forming 1 God, is actually stated. N O W H E R E! Let that sink in......That should be a non-starter for anyone who is looking to shape their beliefs in accordance with Sola Scriptura. In addition, the History of the Trinity's introduction into church doctrine is without a doubt post-apostolic and highly questionable. It appears to have been introduced as a "concept" by Tertullian in the 2nd century. However, although he coined the term Trinity, even he stated that the Son was not co-eternal with the Father and did have a beginning as the begotten Son of God. Later as the "concept" developed in church Tradition (writings) it took on the form you find today in the 3rd and 4th centuries. At this point it actually became a very divisive issue in the church, with many Christians refusing to subscribe to it as unscriptural - and being terribly persecuted for their faithfulness to the Word! All this does NOT lend any confidence to your "concept" as a worthy Christian teaching. That being said, I see those texts and fully agree with you that the Bible represents Jesus as fully Divine in his pre-existent life in Heaven - and throughout His life. However, that Truth does nothing to fortify the Trinity's support. The question is, HOW and WHY is Christ Divine? We are told clearly Christ was "given" the name of God in John 1:1, but a mature Christian will want to know HOW - if it is revealed? And it is! The Bible actually tells us the HOW: Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom HE HATH APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 BEING MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent NAME than they. Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art MY SON, this day have I BEGOTTEN thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be TO ME A SON? Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in THE FIRSTBEGOTTEN into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, EVEN THY GOD, HATH ANOINTED THEE with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. This passage without a doubt greatly informs our knowledge of HOW Christ is Divine. It introduces God (as does the rest of Scripture) as being the Father of Christ - foremost (this concept, by itself, excludes the Trinity). Then in v. 2 it tells us that He "appointed" His Son Jesus as "heir of ALL things." EVERYTHING Jesus has as the Divine Son was given Him or "appointed" to Him by the power and authority of His Father. Again, this immediately destroys the Trinity concept of a "coeternal" "coequal" relationship between the Father and Son. Next in verse 3 we are told that Christ doesn't independently have His own Glory - His glory COMES FROM the Father - whose Glory it actually is. After this Christ is spoken of as a carbon copy of His Father - which lends itself to the idea that He actually IS "begotten" Son of God. This is the strict Bible teaching. And again, How does Christ uphold "all things?" "By the Word of His (God's) power!" Again, Jesus is NOT the source, the source is the Father. Verse 4 is HUGE - it tells us that Jesus was "made so much better than the angels." The word "made" is GINOMAI, which means "to come into being." When it is spoken of as in relationship to the creation of Angels we must see it not in the sense of the Incarnation in Bethlehem, but in the ultimate sense of prior to all Creation. We were told in v. 1 that God Created the worlds, or the Universe, through Jesus - so Christ Himself is NOT a part of Creation. However, we are clearly told Jesus "came into being" here. He is NOT "coeternal" with God the Father. It is clear from the language that He DID have a Beginning as the begotten "Son of the Most High God." Next, this Truth is further verified by the words "he (God) bringeth in THE FIRSTBEGOTTEN into the world." Just as John 3:16, 17 says God "gave" and "sent" His "only begotten Son" "into the world." He MUST have been a "begotten" Son in His pre-existence then - one who "came into being" from His Father. In verses 8 and 9 Jesus is again, as in John 1:1 called God. But now we can see WHY! Because He is in "the express image" of God's person! Verse 4 says he "inherited" that name by having "been made" so much better than the Angels! This is the information we are lacking in John 1 where it does say Jesus was "with God." But in John 1 we are not told as here that Jesus has a God Himself! Verse 9 tells us that though Jesus has the name and authority of God, that the Father is HIS God - and NOT the other way round! By the way, Hebrews 1 is NOT the only passage that explains the bestowed Deity of Christ. There are certainly others I could and will share if you like. Again - this blows the Trinity doctrine out of the water! All these plain teachings are completely incompatible with a Trinity. Still, I highly doubt you or the highly esteemed Dr White will accept them as written. You all will undoubtedly put your own "spin" and alternate interpretation on these verses so you can feel good about clutching onto an Apostate teaching of Catholicism. I just think that is very sad! Especially since Christ's Sonship is the Cornerstone of the biblical Gospel, and the obvious reason He is Divine.

[@mdmorell]

@@Judy-cy2fv Just FYI, I am NOT a Unitarian and have nothing to do with their specific Theology other than I disbelieve a Trinity. You speak as if the Trinity is "proven." Please if you want to keep saying this - show me WHERE in the Bible the Trinity is so "proven!" It is not, and therefore you absolutely can't. As I said - and even Dr White above affirms - the Trinity is not found except in the "gutter" (blank space) of the Bible! Quite an admission by your highly regarded authority!! I showed you where the Bible says Jesus was "made (ginomai=came into being) so much better than the angels." If He was a "coeternal" "coequal" member of the Trinity this would be a ridiculous statement. No coeternal member of the Godhead could possibly "come into being better than the angels." You friend, need to begin accepting the authority and essential meaning of the Word of God for yourself. Matthew 28:19 is a "go to" "proof text" which proves nothing regarding a supposed Trinity. Please - I beg you - show me how this passage "proves" a Trinity! How? It simply says: Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: What does this have to do with proving 3 persons form 1 God? I see no such definition or even suggestion here. You yourselves have to do MUCH better than that to establish such a Trinity "proof." Similarly, Mark 14:61-63 simply establishes that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. I agree, but where do you find a defined Trinity here?? Again, NOWHERE. Try harder Friend - be reconciled to the Word.

[@mitchellc4]

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

[@maranatha8148]

I Prayed over the concept of the trinity and God revealed it to me and for others to understand in such a simplistic way. He told me in the spirit, "Look in the mirror, you are made in my image". I am me. Yet, I am three in one. My mind, my body and my spirit. Our very own beings attest to God's divinity and to Jesus's also. I cannot be seperate from my mind, my body or my spirit. As He cannot either. They are one but three, just as we are one but three. Love from Australia. Home time soon family. 🎉❤

[@thevalvefan1775]

"Is this being recorded? No it isnt being recorded." *Being recorded*

[@mitchellc4]

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

[@ezer0923]

@@mitchellc4 Read John, he had been with the Father before creation and He was the one Isaiah saw in chapter 6. The Trinity doctrine doesn't state polytheism, it states that there is one being of God but has 3 distinct Persons, all coeternal and coeqaul In Hebrews, it is said that "Then my God said to my God" Then [God the Father] said to [God the Son] Lastly, as James White said, To deny the Trinity is to deny parts of the Bible

[@mitchellc4]

@@ezer0923 Hi Jeuel No I don’t believe Jesus says he physically existed before he was born. Also Where are you getting “God said to my God”?????? God is a single person The Father Jesus has a God Who is Jesus’s God? Who is Paul referring to as “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ”? Who is Peter referring to as “the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”? Who is Jesus referring to when he says “my God”? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Rev 1 6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 3 12 He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.

[@freedomlover6101]

My only one god , Father , son and Holy Spirit amen

[@paulan7218]

God not god

[@ipodrogify]

I just started reading "The Forgotten Trinity" and this shows up in my feed.

[@JudeOne3Four]

Greetings, Jesus is NOT God it's a fatal mistake to believe that. Christ is the Son of the Living and ONLY true God of Israel. Trinitarians have mistranslated verses on purpose to spread their Gnosticism. They use philosophy to explain their heresy. Please do not be deceived but be like a Berean (Acts 17:11) *Question:* What was spread/preached by the Apostles when they went into the gentile nations? 1) Jesus is the Son of God 2) Jesus is God

[@messengerisrael3817]

@@JudeOne3Four Try to think this through , if you are in the family of cats , then you are a cat ; family of dogs , then you are a dog ; if you are in the family of God , then you are a god . The reason one is called the Father , and the one true God ; he never gave up his glory to become flesh and blood to save the creation , like the one call Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM /The God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob/ God Almighty , in the scriptures . As the Word , he was equal with the one we now call the Father ( Philippians 2:5-11 ) ; gave up his glory as God ( John 17:1-5 ) ; saved his creation from the grave ( man ) , and was the first one born back into the family of God as the Son ( Romans 1:1-4 ) . Please tell me , who was God talking to in Psalm 82 , when he said that he judgeth among the gods ? " I have said , Ye are gods ; and all of you are children of The Most High . But ye shall die like men , and fall like one of the princes . Arise , O God , judge the earth : for thou shalt inheritall nations " . Angels are not gods , but we were made in the image and likeness of God ( Genesis 1:21-26 ) ; all other creatures were made in their kind . At the end of the creation , we will be the kind , gods . This were their purpose from the beginning , to bring more into the god family . There is no trinity of one God in three persons ; but a Godhead of two from everlasting . The one call Yahweh /I AM/JEHOVAH/Word/Jesus Christ , gave up his glory to save his creation ; also to declare the one called the Father ( John 1:18 ) . Jesus Christ said in John 5:37 , that no one has heard the Father voice , or seen his shape at anytime ; So who's back parts did Moses see in Exodus 33 & 34 ? The three that bear records in heaven ( 1 John 5:7 ) , are the same three that bear record in heaven in Revelation 1:1 ; Father , Jesus Christ , and the Angel ; which is the Holy Spirit , or Comforter ; which bring you the word of God ; which is also the Holy Spirit ( John 6:63 ) . The Angels are ministering Spirits ; which minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation . Finally , you must stop thinking so much in the physical , but in the spiritual ; there is no clash of a power struggle in heaven , as the types we have on earth ( John 17:17,20-23 , " Sancify them through thy truth : thy word is truth . Neither pray I for these alone , but for them also which shall believe on me through their word ; That they may be one : as thou , Father , art in me , and I in thee , that they also may be one in us : that the world may believe that thou hast sent me . And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them ; that they may be one ,even as we are one : I in them , and thou in me , that they may be made perfect in one ; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me , and hast loved them , as thou hast loved me " ) . We will have one mind/doctrine/purpose ; keeping the word of God ; no conflicts , as we do in this life . Shalom !

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@messengerisrael3817 Yes that's all nice and well but where is the answer to my question? I will ask it again: What was spread/preached by the Apostles when they went into the Gentile nations to spread the Gospel? 1) Jesus is the Son of God 2) Jesus is God

[@jasonseyo2021]

@@JudeOne3Four And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12, ESV) This is referring to Jesus. If only God can save and forgive sins, then how can Jesus save us?

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@jasonseyo2021 Trinitarians are calling Jesus of Nazareth, the Apostles and God, liars. Keep running from the question, that proofs you're NOT looking for truth. What was spread/preached by the Apostles when they went into the Gentile nations to spread the Gospel? 1) Jesus is the Son of God 2) Jesus is God

[@exposidiy6024]

I had prayed to God about 2 days ago to revival what the trinity means in the only way he knows I would understand and I had a kind of hurry to go to my youtube feed and I found this video wow it was just posted 1 day ago wow praise God 🙏

[@mdmorell]

Unfortunately this is not the Divine answer your assuming it is! The Bible doesn't teach a Trinity (one God made up of 3 persons) anywhere. Do your own study! The Trinity comes from Catholicism. That's just a fact of history.

[@twan9348]

The Bible doesn't teach the Trinity it teaches that there's but One God and Jesus is that One God

[@mdmorell]

@@twan9348 Your position is sadly just another fallacy. Once again, prayerfully continue your study and you'll find you are going down the wrong path or being led by others who are doing so. May God help you.

[@twan9348]

@@mdmorell nah I believe you need to, if you know any of it God hates paganism Trinity is in the form of it, it offends God because He Alone made all this happened He created the plan and implemented himself in that plan, God Alone is our Savior Isaiah 45:21-22 and he did it through Christ....God uses I, I created the Heavens Alone it's in the Bible....no Son of God in Heaven at any time before the N.T

[@mdmorell]

@@twan9348 Wrong. The Son of God was present in the OT as well: Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. [This person walking in the fire was Jesus. Nebuchadnezzar was a believer in His later life. He will be in Heaven.] Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. [This verse is quoted in the NT as referencing Jesus in Act 13:33 and Heb. 1:5] Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? [This is a direct reference to the Son of God, Jesus.]

[@NKDV76]

"It is a deeply rooted reality in scripture that there is ONLY ONE GOD....... YAHWEY"! PJW

[@praveenUFO]

WITHOUT JESUS THE SON OF GOD THERE IS NO WAY TO REACH GOD THE FATHER

[@mdmorell]

1 Tim. 2:5 He is the only Mediator or Intercessor. That means He fulfills Romans 8:26 - for He is the Spirit also. 1 John 2:1 says He is the Comforter or Advocate John spoke about in John 14-16. See also Gal. 4:4; John 14:23; 2 Cor. 3:17, 18 There are many other verses that effectively say this.

[@steelmilkjug]

Right. Because Jesus IS the Right Hand of the Father who reaches down into Hell and snatches us out of the pit of lions and snakes. No one can see the Father apart from Jesus because we’d be destroyed just looking at His Holiness apart from the Grace and Blood of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself will terrify the wicked on the last Day. How much more the Father, who Jesus says “Is greater than I.”

[@praveenUFO]

@@steelmilkjug JESUS also said I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE.. JESUS ALSO SAID THOSE WHO HAVE SEEN ME HAVE SEEN THE FATHER.. JESUS ALSO SAID NO ONE Knows THE FATHER EXCEPT THE ONE FROM THE FATHER.. JESUS IS ALL IN ALL.. NO ONE HAS SEEN THE FATHER EXCEPT THE ONE WHON CAME FROM THE FATHER..

[@praveenUFO]

@@mdmorell . JESUS is all in all.. HE IS EVERYTHING THAT GOD THE FATHER WANTED TO BE. THE GOOD SHEPHERD...IT REFERS TO GOD THE FATHER BUT JESUS HAS THE TITLE.. LIVING WATER...LIGHT OF THE WORLD...ALL REFERS TO GOD THE FATHER..JESUS HAS IT TOO.. JESUS HAS HIS OWN GLORY AND THE GLORY OF THE FATHER...THATS WHAT HE SAID.. PEOPLE ACCUSSED HIM OF BLASPHEMY... BEING A MAN CLAIMING HIMSELF AS GOD... WHATEVER PROMISES GOD HAS MADE IS ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH CHRIST.. FOR MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE BUT NOT FOR GOD

[@praveenUFO]

@@steelmilkjugTo him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.revelation 3.21 kjv

[@williammunny9916]

*_Luke 18.10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men-extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”_* _Jesus Christ loves you. Only Jesus Christ saves. Repent and be saved. God bless you and your family in the name of Jesus Christ.._

[@mdmorell]

2Co_11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. This man is preaching "another Jesus" and "another Spirit" which the Bible does not describe. Literally, there is NO place in all the Bible that describes our One God as "a unity of 3 persons." It doesn't exist. If you believe it does, don't just say it - prove it!

[@mitchellc4]

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

[@walterrobertson3265]

@@mitchellc4 You must be a Jehovah’s Witness.

[@mitchellc4]

@@walterrobertson3265 No I am not Who is the God of Jesus???? Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

[@walterrobertson3265]

@@mitchellc4 My apologies. You must be Unitarian. This is my take on the situation as I used to believe as you did. All the verses that you had quoted where there is a distinction between the father and Jesus I agree with. I have no qualms with those verses. I noticed that in your response to someone else in this thread that you had mentioned in Jesus did not claim to be God. And I don’t have any qualm about that. I don’t see Jesus as an individual who went around saying look at me I’m god, I am God I am god. He didn’t have to do that. He wanted to elicit a response from his hearers as to who he was. He wanted them to come to the conclusion of who he was. This is the height of humility which was something that had to be fulfilled in him in order for him to fulfill the righteous demands of the law as a human. I myself am not a Trinitarian. And I do not agree with the Trinitarian doctrine of three persons. Many of your arguments that you use to prove Trinitarians wrong I will also use. But I’ve come to the conclusion that Jesus, though he did not claim to be God literally within the Scriptures, that he claim to be the father himself in John chapter 14. I am a modalist. I believe in one God the father who has manifested Himself in the flesh and that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the father. And let the Son of God would have to go through the crucible of this life and fulfill the law that each and everyone of us were expected to do but failed. This would qualify him as our kinsman redeemer. Our true human representative here on earth and in heaven in the future. He was the personification of the father himself. He became flesh and tabernacled amongst us. This is in reference to the old testament tent of meeting with Moses met God who was tabernacled in the skins of animals in this tent. But God became flesh and tented himself with human flesh and we be held his glory glory as of the only begotten God... The area where we stumble, is from our point of reference. We here on earth look upon a man who lived in our midst and we wrote about him, the apostles and I witnesses, about this one Who was a man and yet the creator of the universe not as a man but as the father himself revealed in the flesh. He had to live his life just as we have lived ours by being born of a woman and growing up as a tender shoot, growing in knowledge and understanding and being baptized in order to fulfill righteousness and the righteous demands of the law. Even God himself had to submit to the very laws that were imposed upon his creation, us humans. Therefore our stumbling block is the fact that we see are human representative fulfilling the righteous demands of the law by bowing down and worshiping the father who was in heaven ontologically spreading beyond the universe. All the fullness of the Godhead Dwelt in him bodily. Not quantitatively as of thought all of the father was inside of the body but qualitatively that all of the qualities in the nature of God himself dwelt within the body of Christ. Are used to believe as you almost 40 years ago, then I embraced the Trinitarian doctrine to later on find out in my latter years that what I had embraced for 35 years was not true. But I absolutely believe that Jesus is the creator of the heavens and the earth as The father of all of us. What’s interesting is that I was listening to a debate between a Unitarian and trinitarian. Trinitarian started laughing at the Unitarian when he had quoted Isaiah 9:6 and sad to the Unitarian you just don’t believe that he’s the mighty God. At that point the Unitarian had quoted the same verse and came back at the trinitarian and said, “you don’t believe that Jesus is the father.“ And they both started laughing. The irony of the whole thing is that me as a modalist can accept both of those names within Isaiah 9:6. I believe that he is the father and I believe that he is mighty God.

[@applepie5357]

The Trinity is the truth! Father, Son, Holy Spirit 3 distinct persons, 1 God

[@natecurrah7251]

Where does it say this in the bible Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord , and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord ; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 43:10‭-‬11 KJV

[@thomasremmers8250]

@@natecurrah7251 reading the verse it is clear there is no savior besides GOD ..... oh wait Jesus is claiming to be savior,lord and I AM. To claim Jesus is savior is to claim he is GOD according to this verse for it says there is "no other savior"

[@antonioterrell354]

@@thomasremmers8250 ; So then the Israelites "Othniel", "Ehud", and all the other individuals God raised up to be **saviors** (or "deliverers", same original language term) in scripture make them God too? (Judges 3:9, 15; Ne. 9:27).

[@philiptecson6354]

Trinity debate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5-QmKWFm7V3n5I

[@BC-hb5fl]

a rock is a being? What?? Semantics and philosophy is really important in apologetics. RC Sproul has a correct explanation of "being"

[@hopeinHim5160]

Dr. White, Is your book " The Forgotten Trinity" Still available? Also were the 100 verses? My family are still in , l feel burdeed to witness to them . I am head injured and need all the help l can get. Thank you in advance. Bless you for speaking faithfully of our Lord Yahweh! ✝️🔥🕊️🙏⚔️🛡️

[@ClipSwitchFlashlights]

Even more astonishing is that in John 8:56-59 most manuscripts say that the Jews understood Jesus as saying that He had seen Abraham. Though less than 50, Jesus had seen Abraham and Abraham had seen Jesus.

[@mitchellc4]

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

[@ClipSwitchFlashlights]

Mitchell C, the arguments you have proposed for Unitarianism were refuted all the way back during the time of the Arian controversy. Either you haven’t done your homework or you are intentionally trying to deceive others. Calling the Father the one true God does not preclude the Son from being God (in fact the Son is in many places said to be one with the Father, e.g. John 10:30 & 14:9., and the true God, John 14:6-7 & 1John 5:20). This is like the Unitarians who shoot themselves in the foot by saying 1 Cor. 8:6 proves that only the father is God. If you’re going to say that then you have to say that only Jesus is Lord and God is not (thus denying the whole testimony of Scripture). It’s also significant that the very verse you quoted (John 17:3) highlights that Eternal life is knowing the Father AND the Son! The fact that Jesus inaugurated and will consummate the Kingdom of God on earth says more about Him than any Unitarian can. He is Emmanuel.

[@ClipSwitchFlashlights]

I almost forgot to address what you said about Jesus dying (again an objection dealt with early early on in Christendom). Jesus was the God-man. Being in very Nature God (Hebrews 1:3) He took flesh upon Himself (John 1:14, Phil 2:7). His human nature died and was resurrected but He in His deity did not die (in fact he took His human life, back up again, John 10:17-18).

[@ClipSwitchFlashlights]

Additionally, I am not saying that Jesus is a different God (as if I believe in Bi-or Tri-Theism). The Father, Son, and Spirit are the three persons who share the one Being of God.

[@mitchellc4]

@@ClipSwitchFlashlights One God the Father One Lord Messiah Jesus That is not hard and is Unitarian When David was King they called him Lord Lord does not mean God always Abraham was called Lord, David, Kings if Israel etc. Know thee (The Father)the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom you sent That is not hard the Father is God, Jesus was sent by him Jesus HAS a God. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

[@pastorchisengakunda9613]

This is really powerful. I am really helped with the doctrine of Trinity.

[@kyleharris9456]

And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Wait??us make man??? Our image??? We were made by the one true God. In his image.

[@JohnS-ol8dn]

Amen Dr. White. Genesis *19:24* is my go-to Trinity text, and it has been for a while. I found it many years ago while looking through my mother's ✡ Holy Scriptures. Yes, it is unapologetically there. She also believes on Jesus ✝️ now too.

[@NKDV76]

" WE MUST KNOW THE GOD THAT WE WORSHIP!" PJW

[@josephp9747]

Bro White is on target on this topic 👍 - Gracias! 1 John 5:7 KJB 😇✌️

[@mdmorell]

Nope. You'll have to do better than that. 1 Jn. 5:7 just says the 3 are one - as in agreement or unity. Read the next verse. Its doesn't mean 3 persons are "one God." That's an assumption.

[@josephp9747]

Michael : yup! U'NITY, noun [Latin unitas.]The state of being ONE... It’s also neuter gender - Get yourself a Noah Webster dictionary and a strong concordance.. Shalom ✌️

[@mdmorell]

@@josephp9747 Sure, also read the next verse which says, "...and these three agree in one." They agree on the message of Christ's Sonship to the Father, that's the burden of the chapter if you didn't notice. Do yourself a favour and count how many times the phrase "Son of God" exists in the chapter - it's only obvious that's the message here.

[@mothermovementa]

Too many heretics in the comments section.😷

[@kyleharris9456]

DJ NJ “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-11‬

[@kyleharris9456]

DJ NJ it makes perfect sense to people who aren’t heretics. Jesus was in the form of God. And Jesus was equal with God. Sounds a lot like the plain reading of John 1:1 And this was before his incarnation. Sorry heretic. Bye bye 👋

[@kyleharris9456]

DJ NJ unless you want to take being in the form of God and equal to God to mean he is an exalted man which is nowhere in the context. Good luck with your heresy.

[@kyleharris9456]

DJ NJ deflection!!!! Skate...tap dance. What does it mean to be in the form of God/equal with God? Both are applied to Jesus. Trinitarians have no issue. This is one of the earliest church creeds called the Carmen Christi. Yes... if you claim Jesus isn’t Jehovah your a heretic. Your the one that can’t handle the text...exalted man🙄

[@kyleharris9456]

DJ NJ you are really really uneducated 🤦‍♂️ (Philippians 2 5:11) that section of scripture is Paul reciting an early church creed known as the Carmen Christi...this is scripture not just a creed. Saying before Jesus was incarnate he was in the form of God, and also equal with God. You really need to leave the teaching of God’s holy word to the saved who are called to teach. You are a heretic, any born again Christian will tell you this. Read the gospel, repent and come to faith in Christ alone for your salvation. Surrender to the king of kings and the Lord of Lords. Come and have life!!! Read his word daily and get off comment sections attacking Christians.

[@PatrickSteil]

Great sermon to prove the Trinity and the idea of Sacred Tradition that the Catholic Church uses as a way to stay in the whole Truth.

[@ipaporod]

I am not catholic but we must admit that the Catholic Church has fought and stood firm in their beliefs concerning the Trinity way more than the reformation and all other christians denominations have!.

[@PatrickSteil]

@@ipaporod Beautiful! Thanks for appreciating that... So why aren't you Catholic? :)

[@pedrocintron4279]

A concordance is not just for old people. I use it. I'm only 18.

[@mitchellc4]

Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead! The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21

[@DevlinDomini]

Started watching a vid about how White is going to hell. 🤣🤣🤣 He’s a defender of the faith and sound doctrine. I’m contemplating going back and saying something in the comments section.

[@virgiliogarrett4463]

Let no one lead you astray.​-2 Thess. 2:3. Satan blurs people’s view of Jehovah. After the death of Jesus’ apostles, some who claimed to be Christians began to spread false teachings. (Acts 20:29, 30) These apostates started to blur the identity of the only true God. For example, they stopped using the divine name in their copies of the Bible and preferred such expressions as “Lord.” By removing God’s personal name and replacing it with “Lord,” they made it difficult for a Bible reader to see how Jehovah is different from the other “lords” mentioned in the Scriptures. (1 Cor. 8:5) They used the same term, “Lord,” for Jehovah and for Jesus, making it difficult to understand that Jehovah and his Son are different individuals with distinct positions. (John 17:3) This confusion contributed to the development of the doctrine of the Trinity​-a doctrine not taught in God’s Word. As a result, many see God as mysterious and believe that we cannot know him. What a lie!​

[@grahamcave2501]

This is excellent teaching. Reminds me so much of my first couple of years as a Christian trying to understand the Trinity, but, to my frustration, all I encountered were endless proof text battles over where Jesus may or may not have been called God, and unwitting modalists using heretical analogies to try and explain it. Thankfully I was led to teaching similar to that outlined by Dr White; what does it mean to call Jesus Lord, and an understanding of the difference between person and being.

[@lukemoline3957]

Trying to understand the trinity you nailed it right there. I was a trinitarian for 28 years it never made sense to me from the beginning and it never completely did the whole 28 years until i learned the truth. Boy once i did my life is peaceful now regarding God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I still love all trinitarians regardless if they hate me or think i am a heretic.

[@grahamcave2501]

@@lukemoline3957 My path took a different course. After much wrestling, and insufficient answers from Christian friends I had become a convinced non trinitarian (with perhaps just a couple of nagging doubts in the basement). And was attending the non-subscribing Presbyterian church, which is largely unitarian. Then I started reading the writings of the early Church, and discovered the deity of Christ was assumed and affirmed. And then the "Cappadocian fathers" and the ancient creeds and eastern Church on the Trinity. That may get me labelled a heretic, but I'm certainly not advocating for EO (I'm reformed presbyterian). However I do find the "eastern" definition readily understandable and faithful to the language of scripture. The eastern view has drawn criticism as leaning tending towards tritheism and subordinationism and the western view as tending towards modalism and mystery. It was that mystery I struggled with, as I couldn't affirm what I couldn't understand.kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp-Wc5Wiqax6hNk

[@ronnie8478]

So who sits on the Throne in Heaven? Do the Father and Holy Spirit bow down to the name of Jesus and confess that He is Lord? What is the name of the Holy Spirit? If the Son is eternal, when was He begotten? In Heaven, or on earth?

[@jackgtx440]

The Father does call Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8-9 NASBS [8] But of the Son He says, "Your THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. [9] "You HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; Therefore GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS anointed YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS." Also, when Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God, this is NOT referring to being created. It’s is referring to His uniqueness.

[@jackgtx440]

@@judahking6793 Jesus is not God the Father. Jesus is Yahweh, though. As is the Father and Holy Spirit. To say Jesus is a created being, is to deny the true Jesus. If you deny Jesus, then you deny the Father.

[@jackgtx440]

@@judahking6793 I think you may be confused. I didn’t have any trinity questions. I’m here explaining to you that your Jehova’s Witness view of Christ is a false christ, and I’m afraid your soul is in trouble. It is common knowledge that the Hebrew Israelites have gotten their eisegesis of Col 1:15 from the Jehova’s Whitnesses. Isaiah’s vision of YHVH in Isaiah 6 has a lot more meat proving that Jesus is YHVH than a misinterpretation of Col 1. Starting in Isaiah 6:1, I’m curious who you think this vision is about? In verse 3, who is the holy, holy, holy Lord of Hosts whom the whole earth is filled with His Glory? Is this YHVH?

[@jackgtx440]

@@judahking6793 YHVH, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, God, G-d, Ahayasha; what ever it is you call God, the point is, when Isaiah saw God in the throne room of heaven in Isaiah 6, he was seeing Jesus Christ. Not the Father. This Jesus, the holy, holy, holy, Lord of Hosts, is the one true God. In John’s gospel, he refers to Isaiah’s vision, and he indeed says this is Jesus. John 12:37-41 KJV [37] But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: [38] That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? [39] Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, [40] He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. [41] These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. When was it Isaiah saw God’s glory? This was Isaiah 6. And again, John explains this was the Son, not the Father. There is no way around this. Jesus is the Most High God.

[@jackgtx440]

@@judahking6793 I didn’t write a bunch of nothing. Isaiah saw God and God’s glory in Isaiah 6. You said this was the Father. John 12 says Isaiah saw Jesus. Isaiah’s vision=Jesus=Most High God. Jesus is the Most High. If you deny this, you deny Him, and in turn are denying the Father. Which takes me back to what I already said: I’m concerned for your soul.

[@powerant1914]

I respect james white but i will never believe in the doctrine of the trinity because Christ taught that His Father alone is the only true God...

[@corelreef6586]

I’m so thankful I don’t believe in the trinity! There’s the Father who’s is God, the Son who is God and the Holy Ghost who is God! God is one!

[@nagatakazu3994]

It's in the Bible, I believe it. Even without explanation. 🇹🇹.

[@klaahklee]

Hopefully this will shed light on your faith kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGfJmmWveNirl6Msi=GRWZQQqg543G8zhV

[@michaellloydmerichko9599]

I love the Trinity!

[@josevalverde7431]

👍👏👏👏👏🤝🤝❤️

[@williambrowne3634]

You are a believe in Three Gods. TRI MEANS THREE. DONT FOOL YOURSELF. THE CONCEPT IS A BABILONISH PAGAN CONCEPT OF GOD, A TRASLITERATION OF THE TRIADA

[@josevalverde7431]

@@williambrowne3634 Glory to God to be a Trinity, God with us, God in us.Deut. 6:4. João 10:30 1John 5:7. Matheus 28:18-20.

[@leadanon127]

Better read Bible

[@josevalverde7431]

@@leadanon127 I read It, every day, I love NKJ.

[@presenttruthmessages]

Why I understand that the 'Trinity' is a Catholic teaching and do not accept it, the main reason...is, it's unbiblical. Jesus was not God. He is God's Son. God did not die on the cross. If he had have, all life would have stopped at once. There is one God and he turned from his dying son at the cross. God's Son offered himself for a substitute for you. Not God, God's son. There is only one God and he has never died. Our Father Which Art in Heaven! Hallowed Be Thy Name!

[@presenttruthmessages]

@YellowBlackbird12 God's Son, Jesus.

[@evangelismprojectsd]

Ok then ask yourself this, where is Jesus right now? Is He dead? Nope! He resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is coming for you. So repent, neighbor!🙂 And He's coming for you.

[@presenttruthmessages]

@@evangelismprojectsd I agree, He is coming for me.

[@fl9667]

The Three are testifying and glorifying each other. God revealed it as such who are we trying to define God?

[@dennismaher9533]

AMEN LOVE DR WHITE

[@soeresram2912]

we dont worry about the word the trinity. but its that mr whites concept: " God exists out of three persons" is nowhere in the bible

[@BenNocella]

You're saying the Trinity isn't a reality that is taught in Scripture?

[@soeresram2912]

@@BenNocella yes the bible authors did not gave a similar explanation about God like James white's explanation that God consists of 3 persons. so either the authors were too stupid to give this simple explanation of "god is three persons" or james white comes up with new false teachings. I believe its the last

[@ezer0923]

To deny the Trinity is to deny parts of the Bible Looking for the word trinity? You won't find it. But taking into consideration the totality of the scriptures, you're aimply compelled to believe it

[@rager4able]

Doesn't the Trinity doctrine come from Catholicism 🤔

[@ReelMuzikFein]

Actually it comes from pagan practices.

[@abukid4857]

Baptise them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

[@austin8240]

No

[@wordofmind3110]

yes , isn't biblical it's from Catholic church..

[@wordofmind3110]

@@abukid4857 there is no three , God is one,in that verse didn't said they are three.

[@angbry8305]

It's easy to spot a false teacher. Their words and teachings are not the same as Jesus. Jesus is Gods chosen Messiah. The son of the *living God* Raised from death by the Most High and was given eternal life as his *inheritance* to then give to us. Jesus said, "*we* are all each others brothers and sisters" Jesus said, Hear o Isreal YAHUAH *our God* is one. Jesus said, "His Father is our Father, his God is our God" Jesus feared God.

[@ReformedRabbit]

Jesus was worshipped and received worship. He forgave sins. Who can forgive sins but God alone? Who receives worship but God alone? God does not share His glory with another. Jesus is God.

[@ReformedRabbit]

@DJ NJ sorry. The context might be inconvenient to your sinful nature but Jesus told the paraplegic that his sins were forgiven. The pharisees understood what he said perfectly. They knew a lot more about Jesus than you do, and wanted Him crucified for blasphemy.

[@ReformedRabbit]

@DJ NJ I believe the pharisees understood that Jesus was claiming to be God. I believe their understanding of who Jesus claimed to be (God), is better than your understanding. But what you and all unitarians have in common, is neither you or the pharisees accepted Jesus as God. Therefore both unitarians and pharisees share hell together. I do believe in forgiving others as Jesus did. The difference in my forgiveness and Jesus forgiveness is that His forgiveness changes your heart to worship Him as God. My forgiveness doesn't.

[@walterrobertson3265]

DJ NJ yes indeed, Jesus did worship God. But you have to understand that there was not a man who could live up to the law to fulfill the righteous requirements of the law for salvation. In the old testament it says that God looked too and fro for just one man but could not find one. Just one righteous man in order to represent mankind as the second Adam. But what you fail to understand is that God closed himself with flesh and became a man on our behalf while at the same time holding the universe together. And in his personal nature of Christ, since he was the personification of the father himself, he was also required to live the law perfectly. This requirement stems from the smallest of laws to the greatest of laws. And one of them in order to be righteous in order to fulfill all righteousness as he said to John the Baptist, was to worship God as was required by every human. Get it right. Put your brain back into your head and think about what you are saying. That unless you believe that I am here you shall perish in your sins. I say this in love because I used to believe exactly like you did. Are used to fight against Christians all the time about this subject matter. There’s too much within scripture that shows that Jesus is our God and Savior. Was he the son of god?yes. was he the son of man? yes. but he was also God with us. I just happen to believe a little bit differently than the Trinitarian‘s on this. I do not believe in three persons but rather three relationships with man. These being manifestations to us. This is more biblical.

[@angbry8305]

@@ReformedRabbit John 17:22 I have given >>>> them

[@RotPhalkun]

God is very clear about his word. If there is the Trinity about God, he would say so in his word. When you say God exist in 3 persons, you have just blaspeme God. John 4:24 Jesus said, "God is a Spirit..." The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not persons, they are titles of God, Matthew 28:19, These three titles has a name (the Father, Son, Spirit has a name that every body have to baptised in, which was fulfill in Acts 2:38). These three titles are not names. Name (no s) in Matthew 28:19 to be baptised in is in Acts 2:38. Jesus commanded us to baptise in the name of these three titles. It has nothing to do with the Trinity at all. In Acts, all of the Apostle never ones baptise in the name of the title Father, Son and Holy Ghost but instead they baptised in the name of Jesus Christ only. The name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in Acts 2:38. Dr. James R. White has no clue what's he talking about.

[@evanwindom3265]

As I was watching this, I was imagining how it would land with a JW on the porch. I don't think they'd receive much of it. The presentation is very deep - perhaps too deep for most of us to handle skillfully.

[@gazup3183]

God is one and the Lord Jesus is the fullness of the God head , there is no 3 persons in the god head. You have to go to the Bible and believe God for who he is, there is no trinity this is a famous lie forged by the devil. Besides this thinking is saying that God needs help in the form of 3 person. I preach that Jesus is God. This guy is deceiving many, brothers and sisters surely you can see that this man is using personal feelings and little to no bible.

[@JElias-po6zu]

🤦‍♂️

[@gazup3183]

@@JElias-po6zu I want Bible, do you know the true way to get baptized like the Bible said ?

[@mauriciomarioni6048]

If you're against the Trinity. You're against God himself. You can't fight it. It's in the Bible. Btw I was raised in a upc household. That teaches strictly oneness.

[@biblestudy2634]

Ok I'll bit. Where in the bible is there three Gods. Before Jesus was born of Mary what was he?

[@haydenhillas808]

@@biblestudy2634 the same as he was after his ascension, minus completing the substitutionary act of enduring the wrath of God for us on the cross

[@biblestudy2634]

@@haydenhillas808 So was he a Spirit/Angel/Human?

[@soeresram2912]

you are deceived into a pagan dogma

[@biblestudy2634]

@@soeresram2912 I asked a question, that's all

[@wordofmind3110]

the trinity is not biblical, it's the doctrine of the Catholic church, does someone can prove it from Bible ?? challenge...

[@truthbebold4009]

I cannot

[@gregorytremain4086]

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. Isa 48:14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. Isa 48:15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

[@wordofmind3110]

@@gregorytremain4086 Does these verses says that God is three in one?

[@antonioterrell354]

Yep ... And if God is allegedly 3 "Persons" in 1 speaking in those passages. Then why the repeated use of only singular personal pronouns like "I" and "he" there instead of "we" and "they?"

[@chacehui6393]

1 John 5:20. 1 John 5:7. Isaiah 9:6. Titus 2:13. John 1:1-5. 2 Peter 1:1. Matthew 28:19. Romans 9:5. Colossians 1:15-16. Matthew 1:23. John 10:30 Colossians 2:9 Acts 5:3-4.(Deuteronomy 10:17 and Psalm 136:3. 1 Timothy 6:15, Revelation 17:14, and Revelation 19:16) Lord of lords. John 12:45

[@thegentlymad5769]

I'm not a trinitarian or a Protestant, but I find it odd that people here in the comments fail to accept trinitarianism because it, that is the word "trinity", or the doctrine itself is not expressed in the Scriptures. They take issue with this, but they don't take issue with accepting a compilation of books written by various men thousands of years ago as the "word of God".

[@antonioterrell354]

Because **true** Christians do not view the Bible as a mere compendium of books written by some men of ancient times as atheists, critics, and those who do not know God contend. But from men God used to communicate his word to humanity as they wrote under inspiration from him -- 2 Tim. 3:16, 17 Or as the apostle Paul put it to the Christian congregation at Thessalonica at the time. ... **"Indeed, that is why we also thank God unceasingly, because when you received God’s word, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God, which is also at work in you believers"** -- 1 Thess. 2:13

[@thegentlymad5769]

@@antonioterrell354 Right. I get that you believe that. The only evidence you have to support it is the Scriptures. It seems as though you’re begging the question.

[@antonioterrell354]

@@thegentlymad5769 ; Yes, because it's the truthfulness of the testimony of the scriptures themselves that gives the evidence of its authenticity. Therefore I have no reason to doubt what they say. However, I find veritable "trainloads" of reasons to doubt, be skeptical, and ever cautious of non-biblical purely human works and endeavors. As solely human works are frankly a mess, with them always stumbling all over the place, changing their views, contradicting each other, coming up with new theories about things and changing or abandoning previously held ones. Constant speculations and guessing at things. Then in top of this add in their inclination toward badness, to lie, cheat, steal, be dishonest, commit fraud, stubborn and prideful, etc. And as I said, you have a complete "mess." So yes, I see plenty of "evidence" to doubt and have no real faith in things outside the Bible. But find no reason not to in the Bible itself.

[@thegentlymad5769]

@@antonioterrell354 It seem like special pleading to me. Muslims and others can say the same thing. You believing the Bible is special or this or that doesn’t necessarily make it true.

[@jenniebars6575]

To bad he doesn't totally believe the Bible in its fullness. Why no Holy Communion? Jesus' body blood, soul and divinity truly present in it!

[@garywinslow7595]

Its fascinating that he claims to be purely scriptural, but makes so many non scriptural assumtpions to believe in a trinity. The only way you can believe in the trinity is to assume it before you read scripture. Scripture passages are explaining the truth of Christ, yet he chooses to believe in a three headed god by simply ignoring other scriptures that rip the trinity doctrine's tenants apart. It is very foolish to believe in his non scriptural assumptions. It is false doctrine. Period.

[@2besavedcom-7]

Which is why Yahshua said: “Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the reign of Elohim as a little child, shall certainly not enter into it.” (Mark 10:15 also Luke18:17) As you rightly point out, from the Scriptures alone, no one (much less a child) would come away with a Trinitarian concept of Yahweh.

[@garywinslow7595]

@@2besavedcom-7 no one should ever come back with thinking there is a trinity. Its false doctrine. Period.

[@corbinyoung925]

This is something that I thought of, and was curious to get some other perspectives on. I agree with James that the Trinity is fully supported by the Bible, but I had also been thinking about this from another angle. We know based on Scripture that because God is triune, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist in fellowship with one another. To put it succinctly, they have a relationship. As we are created in God's image, we also have the capacity to form relationships with people and with God. Now, obviously our relationships are not the same as the Trinity, especially considering that while God is one being and three persons, we are only one being and one person. But I have a question then for any other religion and for those who would claim that God is only one being and one person. How do you explain relationships? For example, how could a unitarian god, like Allah, create relational persons? If God is only one person from all eternity, then how would he know what it's like to be in relationship with another person? How would he be able to create another person with whom he would then be able to communicate and have a relationship? If God is unitarian, then he would not be a relational person, which means that he would have had to change when he created another person, because now he would've had to account for this other person. From my understanding, there are only two ways that you can account for the fact that we are able to have relationships with one another: 1) There are many gods that have existed for all eternity and are somehow able to relate to one another, or 2) the Triune God of Scripture. A unitarian god would not be able to create other persons and relate to them, because he/she/it would have no concept of what a relationship is. We can obviously reject the first option, as Scripture very clearly teaches that there is only one God, Yahweh. Now, you might be able to argue for Allah or something in the sense that he could change, but Scripture also clearly teaches that God is immutable (unchanging). So it would not be possible for him to change his nature when creating another person to now be relational. Plus, if to start you have no concept of relationships, then why would you create another person at all? What reason would you have? You can't do it out of a desire to be in relationship, because again, you wouldn't have any concept of what that is Thoughts anyone?

[@trustingtheprocess1946]

This is a type of argument from love. God must have made the universe out of love within his Godhead. If God was unitarian, he would only love his one person (selfishness). But, being three in person, he can love WITHIN himself, and create he universe OUT of that self-contained love. God is fully loving within himself, a unitarian god must make the universe so he can love. The true God IS love, a unitarian one only loves.

[@mdmorell]

We have to go by what Scripture says, not what it doesn't say. The Trinity doctrine is an argument based off the absence of Scripture - for there is NO Scripture which says God (whatever you call Him) is made up of 3 persons. If you want to use other arguments (relationship) you first have to answer WHY this is true.

[@corbinyoung925]

@@mdmorell I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the Trinity being based on the absence of Scripture. It is true that the Bible does not use that specific terminology, nor does it explicitly say that God is one being and 3 persons. However, given the testament of all Scripture, the Trinity can be inferred. First, the Bible makes it very clear that there is one God. I don't think any Christian disputes that. "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" - Deut. 6:4 Second, the Bible recognizes 3 different persons as God: The Father - Matt. 6:26-32, John 17:3, 1 Cor. 8:6, 1 Pet. 1:3 The Son - John 20:28, Acts 20:28, John 1:1, 14 The Spirit - Acts 5:3-4, 1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19, 2 Cor. 3:17-18 Thirdly, the Bible clearly distinguishes between these persons The Son is not the Father - John 1:1-2, 17:24, 1 John 2:1 The Father is not the Spirit - John 14:26, Rom. 8:26 The Son is not the Spirit - John 15:26 They are also distinguished in the Great Commission: "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all the I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20 So, 1 God, 3 person recognized as God, who are also distinguished from one another. The only logical conclusion, then, is that God is triune. There are 3 persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) that exist in one being (Yahweh). The Trinity is not 3 gods, because that would go against the first premise of one God. The Father, Son, and HS are not different modes of God, as they are distinguished as being in relationship with one another. So, for example, the analogy of water existing in three modes (solid, liquid, gas) would not be true. They are not only part of God, like the Son is 1/3, the Father is 1/3, and the HS is 1/3. They are each fully God. The analogy people give of 1+1+1=1 is not the case. The only context in which that is true is boolean algebra, which is not the context we're in. The analogy that I was given would be 1x1x1=1. As for your comment about my relationships argument, I'm not sure what you mean by I must answer why it's true. It's a logical argument, saying that if you have no concept of what a relationship is, and you're the only thing that exists, then the desire to create other beings to be in relationship doesn't make any sense, because it begs the question that you know what a relationship is. You can't desire to have something if you have no concept of it.

[@mdmorell]

@@corbinyoung925 "However, given the testament of all Scripture, the Trinity can be inferred." Hogwash...As Christian believers we are never to "infer" anything. Mark 7:13, Acts 17:11, 2 Tim. 3:16 There is no other genuine Christian doctrine which has to be "inferred" and which cannot be directly taught from the Word. But you are being honest in that you simply can't do that with the Trinity. As Protestants we are to go by Sola Scriptura - unless you believe in going also by the vain Tradition of man, in which case you are proven to be a Catholic. Your equations are simply untrue from a Biblical standpoint: God the Father IS the Spirit: Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Jesus Christ IS ALSO the Spirit: John 14:23... Romans 8:9-11... Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. There are MAY more available than these, just as plain - needing no inference. But just using the above it should be clear that we can make a very strong case in saying the Comforter IS both the Father and the Son - it is THEIR Divine Spirit - by which they are one, and we are one in them. 2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 2Th 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work. 1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[@corbinyoung925]

@@mdmorell I admit that "inferred" may not have been the best term to use. However, I do not at all accept the argument I was only speaking about a man-made tradition. I firmly agree with Sola Scriptura, and that any idea or understanding we have should be based in Scripture. Thus, this is exactly what I did. I did not provide arguments from other men who teach the Trinity. I only gave references to Scripture and what they teach. My point was made using logic grounded in Scripture. Most basic format of a logical argument: Premises -> Conclusion An argument is invalid if the premises do not always lead to the conclusion, and it is not sound if any of the premises are false. Premise 1: There is only one God (based on the Scriptures I provided) Premise 2: There are 3 persons recognized as God - Father, Son, Holy Spirit (based on the Scriptures I provided) Premise 3: These 3 persons are distinguished from one another - Father != Son, Son != HS, Father != HS (based on the Scriptures I provided) Conclusion: God exists as one being (Yahweh) with 3 persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). To deny this, you must do one of two things: 1) Provide a conclusion, based on the premises, other than the one I have provided 2) Use Scripture to prove that one of my premises is false It seems you've chosen the second option and claim that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not only the same being, but the same person. So I'm assuming you agree with my first two premises, but disagree with the 3rd? First, I would point to the Scriptures that I presented and ask you to explain why they do not teach what I claim they teach. Second, I will do the same and try to show that the Scriptures you have provided do not teach that the Father, Son, and Spirit are the same person: John 4:19-24 (Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman) - "The woman said to Him, 'Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.' Jesus said to her, 'Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.'" When Jesus is talking about worshiping in spirit, He is not saying that we are worshiping the Father who is the Spirit. He's saying that we must worship in spirit. His whole point is that you don't have to be in a specific location because worship is spiritual, and thus we worship in spirit. We actually use this terminology in common day. We'll tell someone who we can't physically be around that we're with them in spirit. I think the point Jesus is making about worship is the same. We aren't physically before God, or in Jerusalem, but that's okay, because the location is not what's important. The worship is. As for verse 24, it does not say the the Father is the Spirit. It says, "God is spirit." In the KJV, "God is a Spirit", referring to the Holy Spirit. It's saying that God is the Holy Spirit. Law of Identity: a=a, a=a. The Holy Spirit is God, God is the Holy Spirit. Same thing. This not saying the Father (person) is the Spirit (person). It's saying that God (being) is the Spirit (person). Matthew 10:19-20 (Jesus is sending his disciples out to preach) - "But when they (men) hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speaks, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you." I think we can agree that the Spirit here refers to the Holy Spirit, as you are using this text as a point that the Father and Holy Spirit are the same person. Honestly, my understanding of this text is that it is actually differentiating between them. The text says that "the Spirit" is the one who speaks in you, not the Father. The Spirit is of the Father, but that is describing the Spirit, not equating the two persons. John 15:26-27 (Jesus talking to His disciples) - "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning." So, this is one of the texts that I actually used above to show that the Son is not the Spirit. Actually, this is a fantastic verse that distinguishes between all 3 persons in one verse, just like Matthew 28:18-20. Jesus is sending the Helper (Spirit), so it distinguishes the Son from the Spirit. The Spirit proceeds from the Father, so it distinguishes the Father from the Spirit. "He" refers to the Helper (the Spirit). So the Spirit is sent by Jesus, He is sent from the Father, and He testifies about Jesus. This makes absolutely no sense if the Father, Son, and Spirit are the same person. Luke 11:13 (Jesus teaching the disciples) - "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?" The Father is giving people the Holy Spirit. Again, I think this passage is actually distinguishing them, not equating the persons. John 14:23 (Jesus talking with His disciples at the Passover) - "Jesus answered and said to him, 'If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.'" I'm not sure how you think this equates the Father and the Spirit as the Spirit isn't even mentioned here, but besides that, Jesus uses plural language here. He says "We" and "Our." Are you trying to say that Jesus is not God, and then when he uses the plural terms he's talking about God and Jesus (separate beings) doing those actions? If you are, then you are still distinguishing between the Father and Jesus as separate persons. You'd just be going further and saying that they're also separate beings, that Jesus is not God. I would point you back to the Scriptures I referenced in my second premise about the Son (Jesus) being God. Romans 8:9-11 (Paul describing the reality for the believer) - "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you." The Spirit of God dwells in us. This would be the Holy Spirit. Second part, if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him (Christ). So the Holy Spirit is referred to as both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. That would mean that Christ (Jesus) is God. "If the Spirit of Him who raised Christ Jesus from the dead..." Well now we're talking about the Spirit of the One who raised Christ from the dead, not Christ. "He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortals bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you." The "who" there implies a person, meaning that the Spirit of the One who raised Christ from the dead and gives life to our mortal bodies is a person. I understand how this passage can be a bit confusing, but if the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, Christ, the One who raised Christ from the dead, and the Spirit who dwells in you are all the same person, then we've got a contradiction on our hands. Because now the Bible would be saying both that the Spirit is a part of a person, and its own person. Those cannot both be true. Also, if the Spirit is Christ, then this passage contradicts John 15:26-27, where Jesus said that He will send the Spirit from the Father. Galatians 4:5-6 (Paul describing what Christ did for believers) - "...so that He (Jesus) might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoptions as sons. Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" So, first off, we can clearly see that the Spirit here is distinguished from the Father, as the Spirit is in our hearts crying "Abba! Father!". He's not crying out to Himself, so the Father is not the Spirit. Again, if the Spirit is the Son (Jesus), then this passage is contradicting John 15:26-27. Paul said that God sent the Spirit of His Son, but Jesus said that He will send the Helper (the Spirit) from the Father. They can't all be one person, because you can't send yourself from yourself. And if you equate any two of them then you end up with a contradiction.

[@Southjerseyfarming]

This religion claims to be Christianity and believe trinity , and reads from bible but none of those 3 words are ever in the scriptures. The Lord our God is One not a trinity

[@optik88]

Prove it. Denying the Trinity is dangerous, and heresy.

[@rebalspirit]

You won't find the English words sovereign, omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscience in the scriptures either. Do you deny these doctrinal attributes of God as well?

[@rebalspirit]

carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/word-trinity-not-bible

[@StevenStGelais]

Trinity is not idolatry. It's doctrine. And you need to have better doctrine. You have issues with word games. Use the word "triunity" if trinity bugs you so much. Our creator is triune and it's clearly shown in scripture. You need to read with an open mind instead of being so proud of your newfound "wokeness"

[@angbry8305]

@@StevenStGelais Jesus quoted the Shema He said the LORD *our God* is one. Jesus also said, "His God is our God, and that his Father is our Father" I trust him 100%. He is Gods chosen Messiah. The last Adam. The first of many sons of God to begotten. Jesus is the way.

[@magicalfruitstudios4162]

Well that was good, and cleared some stuff up for me.

[@magicalfruitstudios4162]

@rejipaul2185 I’m sure you’re well meaning, but do you think anyone has enough time to read this comment for like ten minutes?

[@radscorpion8]

like how God is a made up fictional deity invented during the bronze ages...? :) :) :)

[@magicalfruitstudios4162]

@@radscorpion8 While His existence is proven by literally thousands of texts from before that time? I see. How about the early church who the Roman emperor wanted to kill, because they were walking the streets of Rome casting out demons and speaking in tongues? Why would devotion to a made up god cause people to die willingly for that god by the millions?

[@Jordan-hz1wr]

To think that we can't believe something simply because it is not spelled out word for word in the Bible, is the grossest form of hyper-literalistic fundamentalism.

[@matthewriddle-tt8mi]

Thank you James this explains everything

[@ElCineHefe]

If you're in a mystery religion, you NEED the mystery of the Trinity at the minimum.

[@paulgarduno2867]

When we take the Bible as the only authority for the reality of our existence, and meditate how God created man according to HIS likeness; the conclusion is that we as humans are trinitarian creatures whether we like it or not.

[@davidadeoye842]

If Trinity is not true, then the Author of the Bible did not expect man to understand that Big Book. It's in the context of the Trinity of God that man can understand the divine message of this blessed Book.

[@steelmilkjug]

What if I told you unless you believe in the Holy UniTri, you cannot be saved. The Holy UniTri is the One God in 3 persons. Do you believe in the Holy UniTri?

[@cc-mk2hp]

I believe in the Trinity. Thank you for this excellent teaching.❤

[@markrohde1050]

Why not believe the Bible? One God the Father, the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Trinity is not in the Bible. Have you read it? I was taught the trinity, but then I started reading the Bible.

[@Junkmailcrusades]

@@markrohde1050 There is no God but God. This whole trinity debate has been pushing me towards Islam. Certainly makes more sense to me that Jesus was a prophet of God, and not God himself. It seems to me that the Catholic Church wholly corrupted Christianity beyond repair in pursuit of power.

[@goyonman9655]

How exactly does the trinity make the catholic church more powerful

[@thatguys4341]

If you’re a King James Onlyist and sent the Trinity read 1 John 5:7

[@thatguys4341]

Show Genius I think he’s a oneness/modalist.

[@Mofi25]

The Trinity was a common belief but no one bothered with expressing it? Even though it went against what every Jew then and now, has always believed about God? No, that's just silly.

[@marcusvanrensberg6060]

The holy spirit is the gift sent to believer, the same as the staff of Aaron in the hands of Moses. Exodus 14:15-16 --the lord said to Moses, "why are you crying out to me? Tell the Israelies to move on, raise your staff and stretch out your hand over the sea to divide the water.

[@efazchowdhury3866]

This was in my EIT playlist...

[@marcusvanrensberg6060]

Zechariah 12:10 God said ,with a spirit and supplication ,they will look on me the one they have pierced, and they will mourn, Zechariah 13:9,God said ,and they will call on My name and I will answer them. Jesus christ is the only true living God.

[@zacksportsman352]

Would like to see Pastor White's explanation for why every single person in the books of Acts was Baptized in the Name of Jesus. In light of Matthew 28:19's emphasis on "Name" singular. Either the Apostles were disobedient to what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 or they knew something more clearly as to what Jesus meant. Not one person in Acts was Baptized in the father, son and holy spirit. They all were Baptized in the Name of Jesus. Why is that?

[@stevencelestino5193]

Show me where in scripture where everyone who got baptized were baptized in the name of Jesus

[@reksubbn3961]

It seems to me that Churches that teach the Trinity seem to be relatively balanced overall. But the Bible itself doesn't seem to put the same emphasis on the Trinity. Often Paul opens his epistles with reference to God and Jesus only. He doesn't seem to have the need to always include the Spirit.

[@davidmoorman7062]

Question: When Jesus Christ says in Mat. 18:20 that He will be in the midst of 2 or 3 gathered together in His Name how is Jesus in the midst? By his Spirit or by the Spirit of another?

[@MatthewOkettaajing]

I oketta ajing in Uganda ,ONGAKO clan believes in the TRINITY 3=1,YAHWEH THE ALMITHY GOD. amen

[@jimjuri6490]

People may believe in what they like. But the question is, is it true? Christian belief is clearly stated by Paul.. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,

[@shamounian]

He confused 2 Peter 1:1 with Titus 2:13. Peter calls Jesus "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." It is Paul who describes Jesus as our great God.

[@pkelly3463]

Pr 8:30 "Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time." Clearly Jesus in pre human form, is subordinate.

[@hoosierliberty]

Does not wisdom call? Does not understanding raise her voice? Proverbs 8:1 Clearly Jesus is not the subject of Proverbs 8 and includes verse 30 that you quoted. Wisdom, who is presented like a woman, is the subject. It's teaching through story telling. God's wisdom has been with Him since the beginning. If we seek after her, we will find favor with Yahweh (verse 35).

[@pkelly3463]

@@hoosierliberty Clearly wisdom is used in a figurative way. It is true that in Hebrew, which assigns gender to its nouns (as do many other languages), the word for “wisdom” is always in the feminine gender. This would continue to be the case even though wisdom is personified and so would not rule out wisdom’s being used figuratively to represent God’s firstborn Son. The Greek word for “love” in the expression “God is love” (1Jo 4:8) is also in the feminine gender but that does not make God feminine. Solomon, the principal writer of Proverbs (Pr 1:1), applied the title qo·heʹleth (congregator) to himself (Ec 1:1) and this word is also in the feminine gender. Wisdom is manifest only by being expressed in some way. God’s own wisdom was expressed in creation (Pr 3:19, 20) but through his Son. (Compare 1Co 8:6.) So, too, God’s wise purpose involving mankind is made manifest through, and summed up in, his Son, Jesus Christ. Thus, the apostle could say that Christ represents “the power of God and the wisdom of God” and that Christ Jesus “has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom.”​-1Co 1:24, 30; compare 1Co 2:7, 8; Pr 8:1, 10, 18-

[@pkelly3463]

@@hoosierliberty Clearly, the Scriptures, personifying him in his prehuman existence as wisdom, represent him as saying: “Then I came to be beside [Jehovah] as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.”​-Pr 8:30, 31. In verse 22, wisdom says: “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.” More than just wisdom must be involved here, for that quality never was “produced.” It never began to exist because Jehovah has always existed and he has always been wise. (Psalm 90:2) God’s Son, however, was “the firstborn of all creation.” He was produced, or created; he was the earliest of all of Jehovah’s achievements. (Colossians 1:15) The Son existed before the earth and the heavens, as described in Proverbs. And as the Word, God’s own Spokesman, he was the perfect expression of Jehovah’s wisdom.​-John 1:1.

[@pkelly3463]

@@hoosierliberty Additionally, we find the Holy Spirit left out in these very descriptive passages. There are tons of scriptures that give insight to the personalities of Holy Father Yahweh/Jehovah and his subordinate Son Jesus. Indicating they are individual. Yet these descriptive words seem to be missing when describing the Holy spirit. That 3rd component is missing. Consequently, there is no triune God (all three co equal). It is a total and complete falsehood taught by men.

[@stevenwebb6253]

Did you know that Jesus called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17?

[@davidmoorman7062]

Another question: In John 20:21-22 did Jesus breathe "another person" on the disciples or did He breathe His OWN Holy Spirit on His Disciples?

[@marcusvanrensberg6060]

God created man in his image, body soul, and spirit (life)as one person with a name Adam, this is the image of God, one God with a name above every name in heaven and earth.

[@andeegisby]

I am now more confused than ever!

[@KentuckyMills]

Nice bolo tie Dr. White!

[@akkafietje137]

I am an enthusiastic follower of pastor white, I red his book the forgotten trinity. However I must say 98 % was spent to, what the trinity is not , additional if we hear what IS the trinity he doubled his speed of speaking

[@retrograd332]

I have actually read the book. The whole thing is explaining what the Trinity is. There is a small section on that the heresies are

[@joefrankhernandez7656]

Awesome

[@marcusvanrensberg6060]

John 15:26 when the counselor comes, whom I will send to you, adviser, to give guidance, a messenger, to help us. See John 14:8-11.

[@roguecalvinist]

Amen is not strong enough of a word to acknowledge what you said at 19:45

[@leadanon127]

Nobody ever has seen God but Jesus was seen by many. Jews were waiting for the Messiah not God to come down to the earth. Trinity is pagan teaching without biblical foundation.

[@KyrieEleisonMaranatha]

Jesus is the Son, not the Father John 6:46.

[@KeyFrame11Media]

Believe what you want, just don't force others to listen.

[@KeyFrame11Media]

@DiscipleOfTheWay Your logic then is that hindsight is the proper mechanism for righteous evangelism? So if I go in front of a public forum and spoke about my Qwath codex proving the absence of infinity and that all people must adhere to the teachings of Kalooni Badaum otherwise they will be enslaved by the Nth dimensional limbo, we could say that my evangelism is appropriate as it will lead to prophecy, right? Its ok, after all some guy a thousand years from now will appreciate what I'm saying. You can't use historical context that fits a specific narrative you follow and question the veracity or quality of life were this and this to have not happened. Especially when faced with the very basic tenet of human freedom and free will (Or the illusion of). If I tell you not to force your beliefs on me, your reasoning then becomes, "Well it's because of my beliefs that I do get to do that." No. You can fuck right off with that. Btw, don't assume by the context of my commentary you have an inkling of what I believe. I wouldn't share it with you unless you asked.

[@djengo77]

"Believe what you want, just don't force others to listen." Wait...who has forced you (or anyone else) to watch/listen to this (or any other) video? And, HOW did they force you (or others) to do so?

[@djengo77]

@@KeyFrame11Media "If I tell you not to force your beliefs on me" What (if anything) do you mean by "force your beliefs on me"? Do you mean "force me to believe things you believe"? Are you saying that others can force you to believe things? That others can force you to believe things against your "free will (Or the illusion of)"?

[@KeyFrame11Media]

@@djengo77 If I believed in the doctrine of penis and kept showing you my bits to try and convert you, how happy would you be? Disregarding the possibility of how much you may enjoy them, generally speaking of course.

[@djengo77]

@@KeyFrame11Media In other words, you're a nihilistic troll and a vicious pervert, and incompetent to rationally engage in conversation with those who, like myself, think rationally. Thank you for demonstrating that, when you said, above, "If I tell you not to force your beliefs on me", you were merely emitting noise, and saying nothing meaningful. I asked you: "What (if anything) do you mean by 'force your beliefs on me'?" By your failure to answer this question, and by your demonstration of yourself to be a shameless degenerate, you've given me good warning that your sole intention in this thread is, at best, to try to waste others' time. Thanks for the "heads up!"

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

Numbers23:19KJV"God is not a man ,that he should lie;neither the son of man,that he should repent..." the Lord JEHOVAH is immutable. Thus if ones God is now or was ever a man. He is not the Lord JEHOVAH.

[@briansnow8980]

I had a very heated discussion with someone on this very subject from the Old Testament. They wouldn’t at all discuss the New Testament and I told them revelation of the Trinity is present throughout the Old Testament. Went from Genesis through Deuteronomy in key passages. They still wanted to nit pick context and words and only would read from KJV. They denied Christ as God, but only want the King James like it was the only inspired translation. So it was an uphill discussion which left me frustrated and confused as to what this person wanted to learn. Then we got into a discussion of sin and sacrificial law, which they really had no answer for. They insisted on strict obedience with no need for faith and tried to use that as an argument. I showed them Abraham believed God and it being accounted as righteousness before he ever received the command for circumcision or demonstrated obedience. It was super frustrating and lasted for hours. He militated against the New Testament, said things were added or taken away, and demonized Christ saying he is the bright morning star in Revelation. He said that Christ equated himself to Satan identified as son of the morning in Isaiah. It felt fruitless. However during the talk about strict obedience to the law I asked what sacrifice he offered for atonement for his sins every year. He said none and asked what sacrifice I offered. I told him Jesus was my sacrifice, taking on the punishment I was due for my sins, and considering me righteous by my faith in his completed atonement, just as Abraham was considered righteous by his faith. He pretty much shut me down and argued against John’s testimony of Jesus in John 1 as the word, light, and says it doesn’t specifically say that is Jesus in those passages. I told him it was a testimony of Jesus as God, the second person of the Trinity, intimately involved in creation.

[@JohnMackay-kn3rl]

I am a father to 3 children , I am the son of my parents , and when I die I will exist without a body which means I will be spirit. Is that a problem?

[@craiglittle7367]

Where in the Bible does “theos” mean the Trinity?