Why We're Not Antinomian | Theocast

[@cynthiarobinsmith3712]

Jon + Justin, God bless you for being true shepherds for God's people. Thank you for giving all of Christ in preaching the real Gospel. The Gospel IS radical! Like my reformed pastor said, he has "never encountered a professing christian who asked "how much sin can I get away with and still be saved?" All true christians agonize over their struggle with sin. (Paul, Romans 7.) Raising the dead to life is radical.

[@josephlee6044]

Hey Pastors. Wonderful message. There is a teaching by RC Sproul called Regeneration is the Beginning:Born Again. It is 28 minutes long. Very good and touches on the points you are trying to make to your listeners. Love you brothers. Keep fighting for the truth.

[@N81999]

Thank you both! I know I have pressed yall pretty hard in the comments about yalls criticisms of Theonomy, postmill related stuff, and doug Wilson but this was really good and I think yall consistently get the Gospel right. I needed to hear this video for my personal life. Thank you brothers.

[@medic4christ777]

If you haven’t been accused of being antinomian, then you probably aren’t preaching the true gospel. Wiser men than me have said this. Keep up the good work gentleman.

[@Christian-vq8rd]

If you also aren't sometimes accused of being legalistic, you probably are imbalanced as well. - paraphrasing Joel Beeke

[@medic4christ777]

@@Christian-vq8rd Ya, that’s not the way that works. There is no balance between law and grace.

[@Christian-vq8rd]

@@medic4christ777 There are passages that stress God's free gift and passages that emphasize our need to strive in the Christian life. Both are true.

[@medic4christ777]

@@Christian-vq8rd “Come to me all ye who are weary and needing of rest. My yoke is EASY and my burden is LIGHT. You will find REST for your souls.” - Jesus Christ

[@Christian-vq8rd]

@@medic4christ777 Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is the Lord who is at work within you, both to will and to work for His own good pleasure." We are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. That's 100% true. We are also told to strive - not to EARN salvation. But we are told to strive.

[@franklyle6267]

I am a 65 year old man who lives in horrible pain and is bedridden. I have heard the gospel all my life. But I have never heard the gospel this way. I live in fear because I can now do nothing for the Lord. I live in fear because I don't believe that Jesus will have me at this point because I can produce any fruit. I have read the book Rest and the last chapter on What is the Gospel sounds so inviting. But I fall back time and time again into what I have to do to be saved and live the Christian life. Theocast is the only ministry that I support on a monthly basis because it has what I want. I just don't know how to live it out. I'm so confused. I thought I knew the gospel, but this ministry tells me something different. I've sinned all my life and pushed Jesus away. I was always in a legalistic church and there was attraction to Jesus for me. I am not making excuses for my sinful life. But I want Jesus now and this Jesus proclaimed. I struggle with living for Jesus because I now feel I have to do things for Christ. I want to but I know it is in the flesh. I want to rest in Christ yet I find myself trying to gain his acceptance by works. Can anyone help me with this struggle.

[@EdwardJOrmsby]

Hi frankly. I was saved in 2001 at the age of 31. I was reading my newly purchased Bible and clearly saw that salvation was by God’s grace and not by my works. But it seemed a little bit too good to be true. Then, during a retreat, God seemed to directly put the question to me: “Ed, you know what I’m saying. Are you going to believe me or not”? My testimony is on my KZbin page. You can find it by searching for “Testimony of Edward Ormsby.” I hope and have prayed that you will find it useful and that you will find rest in the arms of Jesus the Savior. May I also suggest that you particularly read Romans, Chapter 5 and Romans 4:4-5. In the grace of Jesus Christ ✝️ Ed

[@MargaritaMora-mg1oe]

And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha,💕thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath❤️ chosen ❤️that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.🙏❤️ Luke 10 Jesus💕Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matthew 11 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.Rom 13🙏❤️ Brother peace n grace be with you..❤️🙏. I can share with you how the Lord is helping healing me restoring me(destroying strongholds) I read his word n pray to Him n fast sometimes I talked to him about everything I sit at his feet I confess the good n the ugly I tell him how I feel or what I think about certain things He is my might counselor he hears me n talks back to me in a soft sweet voice or a firm voice of correction he takes me to his word n shows me the truth in the areas I need to Change Repent=change my thinking and turn away as I do this his grace is sufficient his power is great in my weaknesses he set me free from those false beliefs for I'm a brand new creation in him Jesus lives in me now n as I obey in faith he transformed me more n more into his image n fills me with his fruits as he heals me spiritually emotionally mentally n physically We have to Let go of the religious mind set of doing n perfectionism we are no longer under the law but under grace we need to come to the end of ourselves n just RECEIVE His Grace Love we don't have to do nothing to earn His Love (For God is Love=N sin leads to hurt in us n others destruction n God is Just)Now we just have to receive his precious work of the cross his Blood on our behalf n Rest it is finished.. Obeying in the flesh is impossible but with God All things are possible🧎💕❤️🙏N no I'm not saying sinless perfection....Jesus is The only Perfect Holy righteous God our Savior n love of our Lives) As we surrender those ugly areas to Him n let go his able to go in n heal n restore n change us by His spirit n power. When we Rest in his comfort n others see that rest peace love joy in us they will be attacked to us( Jesus in us) and wonder We are written epistle Written in our hearts n seen by all man we are exactly were we need to be this moment how can we do something for God ? We can allow the Lord to 1st of all work on us get our house in order get our relationships with spouses children n family healed restore reconciliation to Him n us allow him to fulfill his precious promises to us of the covenant he has with us that he will save us n our families) We can pray n intercede for others ask the Lord to give us a word for them Well we can simply love others by listening We can even help them n encourage them on KZbin Etc there is many ways to show the Love of Jesus to others in word n deed Jesus will put others in our path to share the Good news of the Gospel 🥰🙌💕❤️🙏 N yes we will experience prosecution especially by the religious system for many have a form of godliness but they denie the power of regeneration the power that can transform them from the inside out n can make them godly sound Doctrine is somehow not obeyed now in days❤️⚔️

[@sheliabryant3997]

​@@MargaritaMora-mg1oe 🌹 That is it and ALL OF IT!

[@mikeyRay2]

Praying for you brother. Although you feel this way, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. Open up to God and speak to Him. As honest as you can be, pour out your heart to Him in a prayer. You wont surprise Him with the deep depths of pain and sin. The Lord afflicts or allows affliction so we might turn to Him. It’s for our good and His glory. God bless you friend. Psalm 34:5 Those who look to him are radiant, and their faces shall never be ashamed.

[@arlindodossantos2305]

My dear brother we all sin, and fall short. God does not see you through the same way we see ourselves,our best efforts are futile ( I am not saying we must not strive holiness) but give it all to Jesus, God sees you though Jesus. There you will find rest, Jesus paid the price for you. I will encourage you to listen to Allister Beck sermon the man in the middle.

[@tracidanker4273]

This is such a great lesson!!! I’ve been broken and crying out bc I’ve been trying to figure this out and trying to understand this weight that no matter how hard I’ve tried I felt like I was getting farther away from power. And God allowed my church to force me to leave to show me how I’ve been missing this. Thank you and I’m so glad this is becoming a conversation!!

[@sheliabryant3997]

"HE ANNOINTS MY (little hard red) HEAD WITH OIL" to keep the "bugs and flies" from making their home in me. Is that not only precious to understand, but also the greatest incentive to lift up my eyes and heart to Him? 🌹

[@voyager7]

Preach! We stand in the grace of being justified to the Father by the blood of the Son, endure in perseverance unto salvation in the Son by the blessed Spirit. ALL grace, ALL God, ALL His and only His righteousness!!!

[@patlangness7942]

I think what concerns folks the most is that God really has the power to take a sinner and make that sinner perfect in the heavenlies. We sinners just want to make ourselves better, but we are not interested in perfection . We are made perfect , now in the heavenlies, and that's the only way Christ gives us rest

[@MargaritaMora-mg1oe]

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 cor 3 Intellectual knowledge n information Doesn't transform us Jesus spiritual knowledge of the truth wisdom understanding n revelation Does (Jesus is Light n In him is no darkness)❤️🔥💕 I found out the very Hard way by personal experience that I needed to come to the end of my self to even begin to understand the true gospel Jesus Christ is our1st Love n our very Life💕God knows how to humble us The Lord has chastened me severely but he has not given over to death Praise God for His riches of His grace n Mercy Im unbelievable blessed incredibly Grateful n Eternally Thankful to Him 🧎🥹💕❤️🙏🔥

[@adritrad4818]

Thank you!!! I ask you: Could there be the transcription of the video? I would like to share it with brothers who do not speak English and find it difficult to read the KZbin translator. The truth is we need these messages urgently in Argentina. The majority of churches are pietists and if someone believes as you describe in the video, the centrality of the gospel, rest in Christ through our union with Christ, they are classified as antinomianists. Thank the Lord because he made it possible for me to find these podcasts. They are a blessing and a gift from the Lord.

[@davidmateo619]

I can’t even keep up with all the heresy out there. Praise be to the Living God.

[@scottsinger273]

Boy you ain't kidding!

[@michealferrell1677]

What would be helpful to some of us is for you to engage certain texts that are brought up as having language that would appear to contradict your teaching. It’s easy to follow your logical approach and I do agree that it is the right one but like so many other bible believing Christians we stumble upon passages that course us to question this interpretation.

[@justinkanawyer]

You should look up their episodes titled Dazed and Confused. They address passages that you are alluding to. You can also search their AskTheocast videos.

[@michealferrell1677]

@@justinkanawyer thanks , I’ll watch now . These guys are a tremendous resource for us for sure

[@janm2361]

1 Jn 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome What are His commandments? Matthew 22:37-40 [37] And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. [38] This is the great and first commandment. [39] And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [40] On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

[@scottsinger273]

They are not burdensome because we can't fully keep the Law! We know we have salvation in Christ and our sin is covered! Praise God!

[@WilliamWatsonBirch]

"They lament that they offend Him with their sin." Yes. Therefore, when we're beat upside the head with the Obedience Gospel, which is not a Gospel, we become discouraged and defeated.

[@patlangness7942]

We are dead to the flesh. We have been baptized into death to the flesh. Apart from our heavenly position in the Lord, nothing lasting or God glorifying gets done. God's providence has put us above ourselves. We don't walk in the Spirit unless God's perfect timing brings us to understand our separation by death on the with Christ.

[@BeMoreAwareGodWatches]

Great message!! ❤ Thank you.

[@SHARPSHEEP316]

Strong.

[@robertzanol6963]

This message is so encouraging

[@leahwheeler2596]

“Not personal but doctrinal” my brothers, I pray our doctrine is personal ❤️🕊️🙏

[@MrEBCVideos]

Justin, any chance we might get a word copy of the church discipline doc?

[@Jeff-yh3dj]

Preaching grace doesn't produce holiness is a false statement in the same vein as preaching Jesus as Lord doesn't produce grace. You are right this is all about tone and emphasis. Same coin different sides.

[@Romans_Twelve_Two]

Where can I get the ebook on Pietism? I can't seem to locate it. Thank you and blessings!

[@johndavolta3124]

something I don't understand: you both said you guys preach the three uses of the law, one use being to "show the depth of our sin". However in another video called "overcoming sin is not the great commission", pastor Jon specifically said that if we feel convicted by sin is because we are just trying to live a pious life. So that is kinda contradictory.

[@rtsaldivar]

Hey guys! Love your teaching but every now and then you assume people understand your terms which is frustrating. I say this because/c you never defined what antinomian is?? I had to go to a dictionary for their definition. Questions I have… how and when did it start? Why do people still believe this? What are the scriptural pros and cons? Thx!

[@davidelgeti517]

When we examine our sanctification, is it or could it be similar as testing the spirits? We are encouraged by true moves of the Spirit but we are also corrected by the Spirit. There are also spirits that deceive us and we even deceive ourselves. All this to say I agree with much of your heart but I see part of Grace is discipline , it can feel like the law that once held us captive but even though it initially feels that way the Spirit always points to Christ as are hope. It is this work of the Spirit that causes us to want to please the Father, to run the race as Paul would say. Could we be confused at this point? 2nd half You comment that guys like John MacArthur, not by name but by implication,that there Gospel presentation confused you, but you go on, what I understood wrongly or rightly, that they preach a false Gospel or something less than the full Gospel. I was encouraged by your desire to explore the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit. It will amaze us as we discover God uses imperfect men, men that don’t meet our expectations but to say the Holy Spirit is not helping these men in there preaching of the Gospel, is not extending the Grace we are called to This is all to common and very few have any difficulty or fear of doing so.

[@vegacool1]

Last time I checked, I have to wait for the wind to blow.

[@bad_covfefe]

It blows on all men.

[@brucedavenport7016]

With all the things you say you're not, I'm interested to know what you are and how you know, scripturally, that you are what you think you are.

[@jeffwatt4684]

For the record; from a three formed unity Dutch reformed guy who loves John Macarthur; You guys are definitely NOT Antinomian

[@ISATŌP1]

What is the purpose of the human being?? To lie about God.... And once you know why this is the purpose of the human being you can then do what Jesus did and impersonalize all that is mortal and not of God. All that is of God is Infinite, and what is not Infinite is of the World Mind Belief in a Life Separate and Apart from God. This experience/dream is not for the mortal body, meaning you or me. It is for the Soul/Spirit of God to Experience. This is the true message of the Realized Christ of Jesus..... If I speak of myself I bear witness to a lie....(If I entertain a belief that I am a human being that has been born and can die I am living a lie). In proportion to our abandonment of God are we taken care of by God. Therefore, we must surrender to the Will of God if we truly Desire to Discern the Movements of God within, as God conducts his Will in ways that oppose human will and understanding. We must Remove the False Mortal Image of a mortal ME separate and apart from God.... The Christ(Realization of Spiritual Immortality)is the act of Eternal Life living Within its own Infinity, and becomes Demonstrable through the Receptivity of the Crucifixion of the Self separate and apart from God.... The Christ is ALWAYS ALIVE IN US, but we must be Alive to the Christ.... When we are not attuned to Divine Consciousness(Eternal Life, Immortality, Truth, God), by default, we are attuned to Mortal Consciousness(karmic death, mortality, form, fear, evil, etc).... Every communication Unfolding from God within is to encourage the Spirit/Soul die to the False Sense of Mortal Self, as the Purpose of the Soul is to take Dominion over our only Adversary, the World Mind and it's thoughts tempting us to believe mortality/form/decay is reality... The Christ asks one thing of us: Crucify the Belief in a mortal Me Separate and Apart from the Immortal, Omnipresent Spirit of God, as there is no more Glorious a Demonstration than the Transformation from mortal sense to Spiritual Immortality.... The massive wall we have built shielding us from our truth lies in intellectual concepts known as the Graven Images of Mortality experienced through the senses(including all religious beliefs). What is of God Consciousness is Infinite, and what is not of God is an Appearance of a False Image where Only God is.... Heaven is where you are and the only place that you can ever be, yet Hell is the place that you insist on experiencing by entertaining a mortal life separate and apart from God. I and the Infinite are One!!

[@bad_covfefe]

We know you guys are not conciously antinomian. The problem is though that your theology makes antinomianism elacceptable. There is no reason why someone who believes as you do could not be antinomian. The only reason you can give not to be one is "sin has bad consequences in this life." Okay, but that does not contradict antinomianism, because antinomians historically never denied that sin leads to bad consequences. What they denied was that obedience to God was necessary to get to heaven, which is something that Theocast also denies. I say this as someone who has learned a great deal from Theocast and obtained great benefit from them. Some people may feel subjectively driven to obey God out of gratitude (even though they would also paradoxically agree that their actions do not affect God's happiness, so there is no reason to obey out of gratitutde either.) One could say "those who truly love God and who are truly saved WILL want to pbey God out of this gratitude" but that is just pietism again. Theocast's theology is designed to comfort people who want to follow God but are afraid they aren't doing enough. Unfortunately, the logic they have chosen to do this by gives free reign to the antinomians and people who don't care about obeying God to do whatever they please.

[@jamietaylor3016]

so what is the alternative? preaching law and fear? I'm genuinly asking what you think would be better than reminding people of the gospel?

[@bad_covfefe]

@jamietaylor3016 the best alternative would be to abandon Calvin's notion of a moment of salvation and salvation as a mere "not guilty" verdict altogether. This is a flaw in Protestantism, not in Pietism or in Theocast. Pietism and Theocast are both merely trying to fix a deep crack in Protrestant theology. We Eastern Orthodox (the historical Church founded by the Apostles, and that the Roman Catholic Church came from) believe that salvation is not merely a moment where we are declared "not guilty," Calvin invented that idea and Calvin was a lawyer. Go figure. Rather, we believe salvation is an ongoing process that culminates in full union and relationship with God. God loves each of us and wants us to be with Him, and He is not sitting over us angrily waiting to drop the hammer. Sin is bad and He wants us to strive to avoid sin for our own physical and spiritual sakes. We will all be with God in the end, but those who love sin will hate being near His light and glory, and for them this will be hell. Those who love God and love what is good will experience paradise with Him. Protestants read in scripture where it says wr are saved by faith and by the power of God and they interpret this to mean that God miraculously causes/predestines us to have intellectual belief, after which we are credited with salvation. What it actually means is that we must trust God and obey His commands, and in doing so we remain on the process to salvation. This is why Paul talks about us as "we who are being saved." Works do not earn salvation, but believing Christ and in that trust performing His sacramants and obeying His commands will actually build us into better people. There is no room for fear here for those who love God, it's a lifelong spiritual workout of becoming stronger to resist sin. The problem is that Protestants think the gospel is an instantaneous event where the person is credited "not guilty" instantly and then afterwards can go to heaven. Salvation is a process. The reason Paul did not question his audience's salvation is because Paul didn't believe slavation had already occurred for them, but was an ongoing process. This, there was nothing to question: their salvation was not done yet, which is again why Paul refers to "we who are BEING saved."

[@jamietaylor3016]

@@bad_covfefe I understand what you're saying. I grew up Catholic. Why did orthodoxy split from Catholicm? I struggle with both but at the end of the day, the only thing that makes me "act better" is looking to the cross, not my own self-performance. Most Protestants don't really believe in a "say a prayer you're saved" but they do believe you are born-again once and the holy spirit sanctifies you. There are many false conversions but those people have not been pluched from darkness to light. My confusion with catholicism/orthodoxy is the sepration part.. for exmaple, you can be a great Christian all your life and committ a "mortal sin" and be sent to hell. what justified that sin to be bad enough for hell? That's the part growing up Catholic I didn't understand.

[@bad_covfefe]

@@jamietaylor3016 "at the end of the day, the only thing that makes me "act better" is looking to the cross, not my own self-performance." The problem is that under this ideology, you don't need to act better at all. Your works, according to Theocast, say nothing, so there is no reason for you to act better, it's entirely optional. You might feel compelled to act better, but if someone else doesn't feel compelled to act better, then according to Theocast's ideology, that's just fine. "Why did orthodoxy split from Catholicm?" It was the other way around, Catholicism split from Orthodoxy. The reason this occurred is because the Roman Catholic Church invented the new doctrine of Papal Supremacy, alleging that the Pope/Bishop of Rome had total authority over all the other bishops in Christendom. The other bishops refused this new development, and excommunicated Rome. Rome then went on to invent many new innovations to the faith such as Papal Infallibility. "My confusion with catholicism/orthodoxy is the sepration part.. for exmaple, you can be a great Christian all your life and committ a "mortal sin" and be sent to hell." That is indeed confusing, but Orthodoxy does not believe that. We do not have the concept of mortal/venial sins. We do not believe that there is a special type of sin that if you commit and die without confessing it sends you immediately to hell. That is again a Roman Catholic innovation. Where Rome is comfortable inventing new doctrines as they see fit, we Orthodox stick to the faith once and for all delivered to the saints. Those who met the Apostles knew better than we know today, and so we follow their guidance. In Protestantism there is no guidance on how to interpret scripture, and so you end up with thousands of different branches all claiming they are following the Bible.

[@jamietaylor3016]

@@bad_covfefe thank you for educating me on that- I don't know much about orthodoxy so that was very informative. I tend to be extremely scrupulous and religious OCD so Theocast has been a huge help to me to find freedom in Christ amidst my sufferings.

[@waynemershon4622]

Obedience and salvation cannot be separated. The idea that we play no role in the salvation process and are merely passive passengers along for the ride as God does it all for us while requiring nothing from us is entirely unbiblical. This line of thinking has produced the low quality expressions of american christianity. We ARE saved by grace but we are ALSO required to make the necessary life decisions to stay on the path in order to perservere. Furthermore, God doesn't "do it all" for us. He gives us the tools to be successful. It's our job to use them.

[@medic4christ777]

“If it is by grace then it is no longer by works, lest grace be no longer grace- Paul Romans 11 What I hear from you is that you say the word grace, but you don’t mean grace. I hear you say free gift, but you don’t believe it’s a free gift. That’s not the gospel. It’s not a gospel at all.

[@gabrielpastor317]

OH no no dear friend he does not just give us tools for us to reach salvation. Remember that it was by Jesus sacrifice that we were saved and that wasn't just a tool but the entire act of our salvation by grace. I understand your point of being passive, but all you can do is receive it, and to receive it you need to accept you need it, I think that is all we can do about it. The bible explain it with our condition, by the disobedience of Adam, of being sinners just as you are born, you didn't have to elaborate an evil plan to become a sinner, you were born one already. The same goes with our sanctification and justification by Jesus. And is by that act that you consequently start acting as a new born person. We do good and obey because we were saved no to be saved dear friend. Other wise your hope will rest upon your daily decisions and, oh, what a poor hope that would be, because you and me know how often we make bad decisions, right? Our hope is greater and firm, because it is upon Christ. Love and hugs to you dear one.

[@valkyrafe]

Yes, Theocast try to separate them. Grace and good work as its fruit. John moffat said heavy burden vs rest and joy, that you wake up worrying about your performance instead of what Christ has done for you. Why can it be joyful burden? Spurgeon said Because Christ carry the heavier part of the cross, we should also carry the easier part.