Why White People Should Be ALLOWED To Participate in Pan Africanism| Ep.204

[@xaivior2246]

I just read the title of the video, haven't watched the video yet but let me say this favourite saying I've heard: ''Your oppressor will never be your liberator''

[@Geez8ball378]

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[@josefesolomon7671]

I reading your comment from Ethiopia 🇪🇹 and I agreed with you 💯 we can liberateour self or build our nation without outside help because we have all the natural & Human Resources we can do anything other do if we unite

[@gibson2675]

Who are the current oppressors

[@xaivior2246]

@@gibson2675 Western Governments/Corporations and corrupt African politicians

[@mdsmultiverse]

​@@gibson2675mostly ourselves. Until we unify and make progress then non-black folks appear

[@CNAG-Rapid-Response]

A mixed person is not going to oppose an all inclusive plan. I think that is a natural stance for many of them and understandable.

[@africaine4889]

Yep

[@mavisburke495]

That's WHY most mix people especially non Americans will.have divided loyalty,

[@niamdickerson110]

I was thinking the same thing the whole time. As a biracial, why would you separate from your white patent.

[@mavisburke495]

@@niamdickerson110 Did anyone say mix people should separate from their white parent ? It should be UNDERSTOOD there will be things such people cannot related to regarding Many Black issues , culture or shouldnot be expected to be a part of.

[@GodfreyTaiOyYong]

​@@mavisburke495True.

[@digitallhm8160]

Oshay is discussing collective success and the other guy is discussing individual success. The other guy doesn't realize that a Nigerian politician in the UK is still serving at the behest of the ruling class and for the said ruling class interests.

[@GodfreyTaiOyYong]

True and being individualistic would only corrupt the individual and the people around would never benefit.

[@GodfreyTaiOyYong]

Oshay brought alot of historical facts,loves how he lays them out.

[@Denmark-vsy]

His Mother is our natural ENEMY. HE'S A NATURAL BORN SELL-OUT

[@nothingbutfacts1676]

I agree more with Oshay we should be separate more like the Indian community, they tend to work amongst themselves this is why they are so successful.

[@MrFlewis183]

The guest is naive at the max.

[@allanluis3696]

its hard for him to accept it, because he would be in a way disparaging his own history. He is the result of IR. Oshay's observation is true. It cannot be denied. We see the world for what it is. We can imagine a different world, but we will face the consequences of the world we live in.

[@mavisburke495]

Agreed he has that fairytale approch.because of.his.own experience and family linkage.

[@GodfreyTaiOyYong]

The only person who might have was Muhamar Qadaffi,but the West orchestrated his assassination.

[@briopalumpus8676]

Why is is always upon the African to be unarmed, what kind of Ghanaian philosophy is he talking about?? Choosing not to have a gun( the analogy he used) won't protect you from a bullet, in fact the one with the gun will itch to stick the gun in your face 😮😮 just because...

[@AT-gu8by]

HELL TO THE NO!!!

[@tolucontent3795]

💯 💯😂😂 I was thinking the same lol

[@aleco444]

This is a very interesting convo, but I do feel that even with all the issues between black people in the diaspora, he is right. Every other culture guards their culture. They make sure it is not taken, they intermingle but not at the detriment of their communities and value. It’s a balance that can not happen because of tribalism. We don’t understand/respect each other as black people. Which I feel filters into low self esteem that was being talked about. We must find a way to build our own pockets of community, then come together. And it may seem limiting or overwhelming tribal to say that we need to maintain only our communities but it’s the truthhhhh!!!

[@gibson2675]

In Africa we only respect each other based on tribalism

[@temiladealamudun5063]

Aptly on 💯💯👍

[@juanlion1104]

That dude is very naive...reminds me of what happened in the Haitian revolution with the Mulattoes

[@niamdickerson110]

Damn this 💯 percent true

[@mykdebradley3586]

I don't think he is totally naive, maybe wishful because he has a White parent that he loves, and is hopefully optimistic.

[@juanlion1104]

@@mykdebradley3586 ok I hear that point

[@rizza7862]

Great show! I do have a little pushback on the guest though. Inclusivity never works☝🏾there isn’t any successful group(ethnicity/race) that has a working inclusivity policy. Inclusivity is dangerous for Black people globally. We(Black/African)people have to be more exclusive. We tend to be the most inclusive race,to our own detriment. I don’t blame Indians,Chinese,Arabs,Whites for being exclusive,it’s “self preservation”. Only a fool invites everyone to the dinner table,this is precisely why “memberships” are a thing. I am very discriminatory in who I decide to work with(business)as well as intermarry with,even who I hang out with. Not everyone has access to me and that’s how we’re supposed to move in this world,not to mention it raises our value. We have enough skills,knowledge and resources to work amongst ourselves for the advancement of our race…EVERYBODY ELSE DOES!!! In other words, don’t be so “cheap”=(accessible)! @7:07, I agree although if I may add. I don’t see Kagame as a dictator,Rwanda had a fair election and Rwandese overwhelmingly support him. I have familial ties to Rwanda and the day of the election almost 100% of the Rwandese people voted. He has brought stability and progress to the country,so whatever he’s doing is working. He could stay in office for 1,000 years for all I care,so long as he’s serving the people of Rwanda and he is. ‘94 was not Rwanda’s first Tutsi genocide☝🏾it was the third,the first happened in the 1950’s,so Kagame has every right to ensure that nothing of the sort happens again. In Rwanda, you can actually call the police and file a complaint without having to be bribed by them.

[@Afro-crusader]

I am of Tigre descendant. We have soft power. Which means we can work together. I also have been in contact with west africans for business reasons. They tend to be exclusive as well. Your claim may apply only to the blacks who are europeanized. They have been subjigated for centuries for working together. Jim-Crow was one reason to protec them from participating in politics, business and development. They were therefore forced to include others for their way up to getting opportunities. This worked for few, but not the majority. I agree with you. However, we are not as weak as we seem to be. Inclusivity was a technique we brought into the game, but not meant as a way of living.

[@rizza7862]

@@Afro-crusader Peace fam🙏🏾are you Tigre from Eritrea or “Tigray”(Tigaru)from Ethiopia/Eritrea?

[@Afro-crusader]

@@rizza7862 Peace bretheren! I am from the Eritrean side, and there are two groups of Tigre people in Eritrea. One group is known as "Tigre-nya," and the other is simply called "Tigre." The Tigre people in northern Ethiopia are referred to as "Tigre" (plural: Tegaru). For clarification, both the Tigre people in Ethiopia and the Tigre-nya people in Eritrea speak Tigrenya (or Tigrigna, as it is sometimes spelled). On the other hand, the other group of Tigre people in Eritrea speak "Tigre," which is a language 70-80% similar to Tigrenya. In addition, there is another group of people known as "Tigre" or "Amhara." The term "Amhara" means "liberator" (specifically referring to women). Historically, when the Persians began hunting Cushitic people (the ancestors of today's Oromo, Somali, and others), the Tigre men marched south to liberate them. As these men were all warriors, they began to intermarry with the local tribes. When the enemy attacked, they would show no mercy to the children, so the mothers had to hide them to protect them. This is where the name "liberator" or "Amhara" comes from.

[@rizza7862]

@@Afro-crusader yes my brother, my wife is Ethiopian(Argobba/Yemeni), I also have some “ties” to Tigaru from Axum. I’m familiar with the Tigre from Eritrea as well as the Tigrinya of Eritrea,I have sooo many Eritrean friends. The Tigre language is the closest language to “ge’ez” MashaAllah. Thank you for responding brother,Peace🤲🏾

[@Afro-crusader]

@@rizza7862 I'm glad to hear that! Yes, Tigre, spoken by 20,000-30,000 indigenous people, is derived from Tigrenya. Ge'ez served as government and administrative language until the 17th century, but Tigrenya is the root of all related Semitic languages. These include Argobba, Sabaean, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Arabic, Tigre, Amharic, Gurage, and others, either directly or indirectly.

[@stu4556]

A mixed person will be on both sides

[@marvl6472]

Say what, Dima even shaking his head 😂😂

[@SannieThipe]

I also prefer all racial groups should work separately

[@ericboswell8863]

And ur sitting there telling me British Banks are loaning African Immigrants money to start Businesses??? Really??? 🤔

[@mdsmultiverse]

2... I whole heartedly agree with Oshay

[@williamwebbs1952]

Absolutely great discussion today 👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿

[@AA-lo4lp]

Fantastic conversation, in terms of what is happening in UG with other groups they are doing well in UG because they are allowed to do well by the UG administration, in terms of if they would marry Jo, then there would have to be open market competition, can Jo compete with her counterparts apples for apples, in terms of behaviour, in terms of following the religion of the man, culture etc I believe we are as good or even better than any other group but we must prove it , where it can’t be denied, and once we have proved it on all areas as a group , then it will not be can they marry Jo , they will be pleading to marry Jo as long as Jo can compete apples for apples that’s how I see it . The problem with our ultra conservative brothers is in the relationship parts , it’s too much simping, the medicine required here is total avoidance in other to reset their behaviour and the men are doing that already

[@sheldonbryan418]

Speaking truth to power 🌍🌍🌍💯💯💯🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲

[@raymondjackson6069]

This is a deep conversation, and congratulations to Joanita AND Oshay. Every business in the world has to do business in The Congo, they need resources... that's why The Congo is always corrupt, and always fighting. In this world, especially in the United States, race is a factor. What Joanita is highlighting when she speaks of corruptions at seemingly meaningless levels, is what you might call "micro-corruptions", when you slip an official, or person a few extra coins to give you some "small" benefit or advantage over another. And these micro-corruptions then echo out and reverb out into the greater society, having enormous ramifications. Because, eventually, that's the way things are done. Once established and widespread, it takes the draconian measures to get it out of the system. Does Africa need that --- OH YEAH, big time! But, even when one country (in Africa) is successful stamping out corruption, it's only a matter of time before some force, either internal or external, subjugates the system again, to corrupt forces again, becasue it's just a small country. When Oshay is talking about separateness, he is talking about cultural integrity... and that is not racist. The Indians, all over the world are very cohesive. They will hire their own over others, becasue there is one thing India has... is more Indians. And they naturally fit into what ever structure they are trying to build. All successful cultures are successful as a culture, or race because of cultural integrity. That is, forces and actors from outside the culture, cannot enter into the culture. That's not racism. That's cultural integrity. Racism would be if they were using their race or cultural group to impede or oppress another group, because of their race. Ok, get to the point. Cultural integrity is formed in the human nuclear family structure. If you don't have that, it will never form. So all these ideas, which are wonderful on there face, become worthless in practice because the fundamentals just are not there. In humanity, families are like stars, and Oshay, being a doctor, therefor a scientist, has to know the importance of stars in the Universe. All the elements that build the Universe are created in stars. Likewise, all the elements to build a successful, prosperous society are created in the family. This is why the black family, in the United States, and now in Africa are such a target for western meddling.

[@KazaamCreez]

Great podcast guys. Keep up the good work!

[@margc1625]

Much of what was said here is true but most of us seem to forget that Africa is far behind other developed countries and sadly that is by design. With regards to western nations investing in African countries I don't foresee that EVER happening why; because throughout the centuries these nations have conspired to keep Africa at the bottom of the development heap. After all, if Africa rises the others whose countries that are thriving off of African resources will fall. Additionally, Europeans have shown the world that their life's goal is to dominate and/or rule the globe. This is noted by the fact that all others who come to Africa and build thriving businesses yet they don't pay the natives a proper living wage. I believe that if others had even minimal good intentions they would at the very least pay and treat the indigenous people fairly. I was even told during my stay in Kenya that African working at grocery stores and/or hotels cannot even afford to shop or stay at the places they work. Furthermore, imagine the tedious task of uniting Africans fighting the stigmas of tribalism, including western education and religions which was forcefully thrust upon the continent.Therefore there will be a long and arduous journey for Africans to bridge the division gap. Last but not least, the other countries such as Singapore and China had nationalism on their side and sadly this is something that Africans may never have in this lifetime.

[@gibson2675]

Do african employers pay their employees a decent wage

[@UNCLEREGGIE253]

Strange how the guest believes that Black Nations/ Tribes wouldn’t be able to work together. Hell the whyte nations were able to put their differences aside at the Berlin Conference and colonize Africa

[@mbr2323]

I agree more with Oshay, no disrespect to the guy in the middle, but what I've seen from most biracial people they never want to exclude is there a white side.. I'm saying he is compromised

[@seansalter1679]

Good conversation guys , Awesome

[@MrJgotti88]

U got to be kidding me 😮

[@mdmphjd]

Thank you for this fascinating program. I can see some direct parallels between the issues that were discussed and the path of Ukraine, beginning with the past several centuries of oppression and exploitation by more (militarily) powerful neighboring nations, and extending to the present, where when the neighbors leadership decided that Ukrainans were getting a bit too "uppity" (i.e., when the people of the Ukraine started "unburdening the past" by embarking upon a path towards partnership with European nations), the neighbor's imperialistic rulers began hysterically catastrophizing. Then one fine day, without provocation, they initiated a savage, genocidal, senseless military invasion. The challenge of eliminating corruption through strengthening the rule of law is a process being persued by the government, even in this time of war (being pressured in this direction by both the Ukrainian electorate and by Western partners who are providing an essential lifeline of military supplies, training, and humanitarian assistance. As for the debate about a focus on future development primarily in rhe context of an insular group versus incorporating strategic alliances and mutually beneficial trade arrangements with other partners, is also a struggle that Ukraine will face once the war has been won. Generally speaking, Ukrainians have always been willing to work with other groups but at times have been too naive with respect to negotiating a fair deal (and losing out as a result). On the other hand, there is a developing tendency towards insularity with respect to spoken language; Ukrainians have generally been pragmatic about learning Russian as a second (or even first) language, whereas the imperialist oppressor has systematically denigrated the use of Ukrainian (in those times when they occupied and ruled over Ukraine), creating something like a historic national PTSD and/or inferiority complex. Russian speaking Ukrainians will always be accepted by society (because that's how Ukrainians roll) but I expect there to be increased pressure to primarily speak Ukrainian in public venues, and it wouldn't surprise me if in the future many schools stop teaching Russian, in favor of English as the national second language.

[@allanluis3696]

sorry, your Ukrainian history is bunk. It's historical Rus.

[@Bill-n7o]

We need a code/LAWS and the code need to be enforced. Ex. If u commit a crime you will be punished regardless of your race.Now it would be nice to see ALL our people on that code. But violators must face the penalties. America have Laws ie CODES but they are not applied fairly, hence the reason why the U.S. has been on the decline since its inception. The advantage that Caucasians have is that they created the construct of race based on color and nationality based on geography. Now we believe that our current predicament is due to our skin colo or resources or lack or resources... ĹAWS AND ENFORCEMENT.

[@davidmumford367]

I totally agree with Oshay black folks should separate

[@NeonApathy]

30:45 I like this analogy, other countries see Congo’s allure and are using her up. Congo has to know her worth and not allow all these random countries to overstep her boundaries and take advantage of

[@thegod625]

I agree with Oshay on the separation shit because African Americans got destroyed when they wanted to integrate with white folks while the American Indians decided to separate from whites so they got their own land and is doing way better than black people... The mixed dude doesn't want separation because he's mixed so he'll be confused on wanting to combine both worlds but in all do reality, every race need to stay with their own...

[@sukumanibantu1520]

Oshay is (un)fortunately right. These other groups will NEVER accept black people like vice versa, so what´s the liberal approach for, outside of individual benefiting like in the example of Nigerian ministers in the last UK administration where black ministers were tough on black immigration, proposed immigrants to leave for Rwanda and other ridiculous ideas? I completely disadgree with TJ form the UK on most topics, only about self-respect, skill development I can agree with. Africans can and shall stand on their own feet, intellectually, economically, culturally, and military. Though black people tend to be not-racist towards other groups, anything else other than developimg on our own terms, will not lead to the desired result.Period!

[@lucywaithira3050]

Does being raised differently...doing things differently equals to low self-esteem???

[@williamwilson7479]

I beg...are you mad? Read Chancellor Williams *Destruction of Black Civilization* then come back with the question again

[@gregoryhayes9760]

Oshay keeps saying folks dont want to "help" . Business and financial transactions aren't necessarily based on trying to help someone. I loan to or invest in you because I expect to gain from the transaction.

[@dadao8564]

Tchippps😂😂😂

[@MichaelImo]

He made good points, but the ending admitting indians are successful with a defensive posture still needs to be understood since that it goes against some of his points...

[@allanluis3696]

I agree. The most successful groups ALWAYS fiercely guard their ethnic culture.

[@gibson2675]

​@@allanluis3696Dont blame them

[@allanluis3696]

@@gibson2675 huh? Are you following the convo? We are talking about strategies to become successful...who is blaming anyone???

[@DebbiePerson-h7d]

She doesn’t have power she has respect.when you miss use respect you end up in chaos.

[@briopalumpus8676]

Power is exclusive, in the world place the boss tells you what to do its not a nursery where you get to pick what you feel like doing depending on your mood, if africans want dignity they must seek power not inclusion.YOU will never be equal to theose who accomodate you,if you intergrare then by law you will be second class as only one originators of a culture can exist.

[@ChuloDiamonds]

That's the African's problem, has nothing to do with FBAs

[@JK-jt8so]

Bro we have plenty of sell outs. Stop lying.

[@lezzsebothoma]

FBAs like Candace Owen 😂🤣

[@sammiesmith6690]

Exactly

[@OLIKAN-VC]

Yeah don't get involved. Let them deal with their own problems. If you come at them with any Pan Africanism, they'll act as the bulletproof vest if you offend Blanco 👨🏻‍🦰.

[@mavisburke495]

Get a life that doesnot includes your obsession with Black conscious ssues, you are a separatist or divider among blacks, so.FBA constantly given an opinion on such topics doesnot make sense.

[@Bill-n7o]

A Nigerian is owner or major share holder of 3 major airports in u.k.

[@gary4777]

You Tobe is not allowing FBA ppl to make comments to Jason Black...B1 or any other FBA pod casts

[@fredrickbrown6206]

Listening to this conversation it’s a fantasy conversation. Number one you can’t get the people of those countries in Africa and when I say people I mean Black people to work together. That that’s the 600 pound gorilla in the room. and in African politics and tribalism they believe somebody has to be the leader. That’s how you get all those tribal wars.

[@amanslife360]

And the guest said at the start that he does not understand Pan Africanism. Everything he spoke was Pan Africanist in nature. And I agree with him. Bruvo.

[@gibson2675]

Pan africanism has unfortunately been hijacked by marxist

[@Derrty-DANCE]

Immigrant groups… let me mind my black American business and get out of here. ✌️

[@mavisburke495]

Interesting you have an American business if you are Black.

[@AfroCreoleFBA]

Absolutely 💯 me too

[@AfroCreoleFBA]

Peace!!!!!!

[@bosiboriboyaniyoutube]

Are u serious?

[@DebbiePerson-h7d]

Come on man he’s taking about white supremacy witch is systematic

[@Drega001]

🚬's No.1

[@anthonyeden7063]

That is insane to think Europeans can add value to the continent of Africa, when they had hundreds of years to do so. In case guys are woefully ignorant of the actual war between brothers,then you are sadly mistaken to think that Red- Edom would do right, may the Most Highest Power/God have mercy on you! Any idea outside the purview of the God of Creation, it will not work!

[@megarudeboy0078]

You lost me on this one

[@positivejoy-z6y]

Absolutely Not

[@Messiahis1k]

Lmao

[@uplayitIlisten]

no other groups can't- if they want to sow $$ into it..fine..but, no thank you!

[@CraigTilfordJr]

Yeah no

[@Gaspademotion]

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[@dee3489]

No

[@seansalter1679]

I'm Canadian my Dr is Nigerian, My colleague is a 30 yr old engineer like myself his parents are Nigerian medical Doctors leader's in their fields.

[@PHlophe]

Salter, if you are not indigenous canadian aka aboriginal then your ass is a hyphenate canadian

[@seansalter1679]

Incorrect .Citizens of the United States of America hyphenate their identity . Some citizens of Canada do as well as result of US dominance of global media. Canadian citizens are extremely influenced by US culture. Canadian's benefit from having a long and productive relationship with the USA, However Canada and the United States of America are sovereign nations with similar but distinct histories, Two very different political systems. Canada's political system is extremely complicated, most Canadian's don't quit understand. it. T0 understand what it means to be Canadian. It's important to know about our three founding peoples. Aboriginal, French and British. I am a member of one of those groups. I am Canadian. I have no objections to any legal Canadian citizens who want to self identity as a hyphenated Canadian. Much love and respect from a Canadian Stay safe Don't Hate

[@anthonyclementson9658]

It doesn't matter your skin color or the language you speak money is a universal grammar we all speak just bring something of value. Its just that Africa is view as poor by the world and Africans see themselves as poor not knowing their worth and they always come out with the short end of the stick in most negotiations. With that said Oshay we need some Kenganda merch.

[@allanluis3696]

color may not matter, but cultural/clan identity does. The most successful groups fiercely guard their culture. Trade should be encouraged, but procreation and protection of culture is guarded.

[@gibson2675]

In Africa its tribaliam and not colour or class

[@gttandpawpawfam3192]

Oshay you are wrong about Obama, Republicans take Trumper

[@cjwood-x7f]

No, absolutely NOT. Pre requisite for Pan Africanism is you have to be natural African or of the African Diaspora.

[@niamdickerson110]

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[@julianjaybrown713]

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