Why Women Are Standing Up For Men

[@Hiraghm]

I don't think men feel "alone" so much as we feel "besieged". Everyone is attacking us from all sides.. including some of us. You got the self-important wanna be chads lecturing you on manhood, you got the self-important feminist males lecturing you on the exact opposite, You have women criticizing you for enjoying the female form, you have women criticizing you for "being a gentleman", you have women criticizing you for not "being a gentleman", you got the media calling all men r-pists, you have the media denigrating fathers, boyfriends and traditional masculine roles, the courts screwing us... So, like beaten puppies we'll lick the first hand that _isn't_ a closed fist.

[@persnipoles]

And nary a city to sack for it. Just rains wussys' arrows all year.

[@josephagnello9335]

Thus . . . . . . "WE FEEL BESIEGED ! "

[@jjhh320]

Besieged. A very good way to put it lol

[@bfbf6347]

So which hand should us pups lick. Not putting your commit down , it's true but I really get tired of reading that all sides are screwing us and there's no where to turn. Granted that way leads to echo chamber communities like feminism and incels. I just feel cheated in life sometimes , being lead to believe that once you have a nice house , a nice car and more than decent enough money you get the girl. How foolish I was , , now at the tinder young age of 27 i realize that having those things puts me at risk of running into the fabeled goldigger.I just don't know what to do.

[@persnipoles]

@bfbf6347 It's a valid instinct to be tired of that. War Propaganda would aim for that hopelessness, or 'black pilled' effect, on an enemy ---a sense of inevitable defeat, so that you defeat yourself before a shot is fired. Good for you to notice. Take a break? Take in something else?

[@lylehart3744]

The absolute reason men are loving this kind of content is because of how rarely a woman actually listens to us. This is much needed validation.

[@sunfish4095]

24:17 Women don't watch her content. You're buying into an illusion. That's what she provides, an illusion that maybe it's not a one way street. Don't fool yourself.

[@lylehart3744]

@@sunfish4095 if you believe that maybe you need to reconsider the type of women you're hanging around with. Birds of feather flock together. Haters flock with haters.

[@lylehart3744]

@user-sk6dt6gk4y absolutely

[@sunfish4095]

@@lylehart3744 Unlike the both of you I don't look at individual examples and extrapolate them as likely to or develop wishful thinking that they represent the whole. I'm a big picture logical thinker. We all know what the big picture is. In fact, it's the reason she has this channel.

[@lylehart3744]

@@sunfish4095 I just figured you out. You're a man hating feminist who hates women who don't hate men even more than you hate men. NOBODY said that this was absolute gospel about ALL men or ALL women. It's just being pointed out that these are statistical likelihoods among many people. Which is true.

[@1Adventurerider]

The "system" has the cards stacked against us. The more we fight for our kids the more the system degrades the father's position.

[@billsmith11]

Sbt

[@zackbrown1787]

Florida believes that all men are worthless, I haven’t seen my son for a year. Corruption runs rampant in family court.

[@yeayeasautoadventures]

yep, fighting for your kids legally robs you of your money,you need to know most likely you will lose in court in most states

[@Jennthegreen]

​@@yeayeasautoadventureswell... red states. Blue states are much more likely to go on split costudy as a rule.

[@yeayeasautoadventures]

@@Jennthegreen it happens in texas if both parents agree

[@winniecash1654]

Love this. Dad's are crucial to a child's upbringing. Husbands are much needed. We need healthy males no matter their age.

[@winniecash1654]

@Marcusus this breaks my heart. I'm very sorry. I've witnessed feminist households and am aware they exist. I will always stand up for men and boys. Of course, I stand up for women and girls, too. I believe in respecting and cherishing one another. I also believe each plays an important role in society. I'm not interested in doing a man's job. I know some women are, and I suppose if they understand they are the minority and don't try to change all the other women, that's ok with me. I hold loosely to stereotypes because there are some manly women and womanly men. Ok, but don't go trying to say we all have to be just like that because we don't.

[@russelhoward1742]

The system is all too, handy about throwing men in jail, over this, , they're fined for back support, including the court cost , it's not cheap as work releases, 85dallars,week, and going to and work, and back to jail , it's it's a double edge system

[@michaelleavitt3834]

I am divorced, but my divorce was pretty mild, and my ex and I still get along. The kids were never an issue. I have a friend who is in bitter custody dispute with his narcissistic ex wife. I have seen firsthand how the courts in the state of Florida are completely set up against the father. The judge can make it where the father doesn’t even get to say anything in the courtroom. Not only is it your God-given right to spend time with your child it is also your God given responsibility to spend time with your child.

[@phillyphilhouse79]

I thought they recently changed some stuff in favor of the father and Femnazis everywhere got all butthurt over it?

[@dbpool]

It may be our God given right, but women and courts take it away, and there is of course no recourse for men, and no repercussions for women.

[@rickb06]

​@@dbpool Keep this little gem in your back pocket... With the utter instability in the world today, it would stand to reason that something enormous is coming, i.e., an EMP, a massive solar flare or old fashioned physical sabotage of the electric grid, internet, etc. The odds of this kind of event are higher than at any time in human history, the elite aren't building bunkers for the non-existent tax write off opportunities, they are doing so because they are in the loop and understand the possibilities, they are just doing exactly what any of us would do if we had their resources. I keep myself going by knowing that every ounce of progress women have made in regards to their rights, and most recently, superiority will be totally lost in a serious enough long term crisis, of which we are way overdue for a large scale true crisis. Women will suffer the most in a SHTF environment, they will be required to shack up with a man for protection in almost every situation. They will lose their ill-gotten freedoms because for every bit of progress they have made, there is a direct and equivalent loss of rights for men. We all can't be equal, it will never be fair or equitable for either, so long as the clearly lesser group is catapulted above and beyond the best of us. Once the magical police summoning device that's glued to their hand ceases to function, their advantages will evaporate, thus once more forcibly instituting darwinian rules for living, and we all know how poorly that the lesser group performs when exposed to adversity.

[@FreedomTalkMedia]

Courts in the planet earth are like that.

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

child from a broken home here in florida. can confirm how brutal the courts can be mom moved away to georgia with my stapdad and my dad had to fight tooth and nail just to get monthy visits from me and alternating vacations. I gree amgry and bitter cuz omg puberty and then my mom forcing me into therapy and having my older brither try to be a proxy parent, then one day my mom just tells me to pack my stuff im seeing my dad. came back home never went back. guess whos getting looked after in their old age now and doesnt even get talked to. not my mom. since i ended up livingf with my dad SHE was supposed to start paying child support. never once did she and my dad didnt even fight for that because he just wanted me home.

[@joekilroy2965]

Sarah, I'm a single dad going through custody. My son doesn't want to see or live with his mom. I've had him for the past year. She pays child support. It's not much but she still pays.

[@Maladjester]

You're incredibly fortunate to have your kid and even more fortunate that your ex pays anything at all. My circle isn't that big and I still know half a dozen guys who were utterly raped in divorce court and/or family court. Not that these men were perfect angels, but we are talking women who literally whored themselves for drug money, got caught cheating on camera, neglected/abused the kids, and so forth -- then lied to the judge and got EVERYTHING, the kids, the house, the car, the bank account, the fat support check every month, and of course the right to rub the men's faces in it every chance they got. There's a way longer version of this but I'm supposed to be working right now. I can only conclude your woman has the heart of a saint. Shame it didn't work out.

[@jeffhillstead3302]

Hey shhh.. she may fix herself.. I raised my kids without a dime.. Seven years in court wasn't hardship enough.. Do your homework just in case..

[@kittydaddy2023]

Good for you, Joe, seriously. It's tough these days, but I won't be surprised if this happens more often. Women pursuing careers and getting promoted over men means they may be on the hook for child support more often than the past in certain jurisdictions.

[@wesmattimore2895]

Get as much as you can, don't think she wouldn't take you to the cleaners

[@delmarhi]

@@MaladjesterI have a friend that gets child support from his daughters’ mother. Well is supposed to. She never paid a cent. Is given a pass that she has no job. His son’s mom has him on child support. He broke his ankle and ended up losing his job for months and got behind. They took his licenses and tossed him in jail for a month… causing him to miss an interview and stay unemployed. All this for a child he hasn’t been allowed to see for 17 years.

[@prschuster]

When men speak up about things like this, we are called sexists or incels. It's good to know we aren't alone in this. 50+ years of 2nd wave feminism has focused all the attention on women's needs, and men have been ignored, so that's why women know so little about men.

[@teastrainer3604]

Any woman who speaks up for men can get just about man man she wants.

[@1krani]

I think you mean 3rd wave feminism. The 2nd wave was about using feminine wiles, charm, and good looks as empowering means to get ahead. Like, the early Bond girls were 2nd wave feminist icons. Hardly the sort to discourage femininity or male attention.

[@ErikDeMann]

@@teastrainer3604 And that's the *only* reason why they're doing it. It benefits themselves. It really is that obvious and transparent, and it won't change a damned thing for men in the long run, until 60% of them put their money where their mouths are.

[@teastrainer3604]

@@1krani You're overthinking this.

[@1krani]

@@teastrainer3604 Is it overthinking to know Western cultural history?

[@BillyMcCord]

You guys win the internet today I was smiling from ear to ear watching this... Shared to my Facebook, I'm sure I'll take heat from some of my female friends...

[@devilsadvocacy]

If you do take heat from the hyena crowd, it means you’re doing something right

[@Azriel640]

Find better friends.

[@kyledabearsfan]

If your friends think poorly of men not being treated like shit, they are probably pretty terrible friends.

[@ShadowWolf_Ronin]

Stay strong, hold firm. This is exactly what needs to be said.

[@user-gz4ve8mw9l]

Those female friends should cease being you're friends then. Toxic women should be avoided like the plague.

[@christophercohen418]

This is a collab we wanted and needed.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

They still have some misconceptions about men.

[@balleraap007]

They are chameleons lmfaoooo

[@judeh101]

​@@Slitheringpeanutsome things women won't fully understand about us. Vice versa.

[@allanbarber4038]

I am 77 years old, this is not about sex. Sarah, I love you. Lauren I am beginning to love you too. You two are the most wonderful women I know of in this world (well at least since my wife passed two years ago). Edit/a PS Thanks for what you both are doing!

[@Daecoth]

I started to vent to my sister about my struggles and my accepting of being alone for the rest of my life. At first she was very critical and dropped the name calling life "incel" and "misogynist." Then she started to really see what is going on in world when her husband almost got called out at the gym. It's sad that a problem has to effect one in a ordinal level before one cares.

[@balleraap007]

So they’re chameleons

[@welshed]

Sorry, but I would have told my sister to fu*k off and disowned her in that situation. You opened up and she absolutely turned it against you. She sounds like a crap person.

[@chrismoore9997]

I spent about $30K between three lawyers to take my ex to court multiple times and still never got to see my daughter.

[@xiongher3080]

Damn bro, I know the system is so f up and against us men. But be positive, and hopefully, things will win over 🙏

[@AwakenedAvocado]

Im going to help and have to destroy this sick system. Those family court lawyers are useless absolutely useless and trained against you.

[@sussexseaangler1858]

One day your daughter will decide. I've seen it happen.😁

[@josephagnello9335]

@Xiong Her "Damn bro" he was positive to the tune of $30,000 to where he finally . . . " GOT REAL !"

[@EternalxFrost]

@@sussexseaangler1858 His daughter might decide to choose him, but sadly the court can still rule and say no, you stay with your mother. I just hope he will get to see his daughter though... that's really sad :(

[@Chris-qq6gc]

Lauren is so right… we do things that make it easy, we accept imperfection… we are realists.

[@stevebernthal7727]

You just summed up a massive part of my Dad life. Everything you said was spot on. It's refreshing to hear. I live in a town I don't belong in solely to be the best Dad for my daughters. Might sound petty, but i had to make sure they never become their Mom. Being alone sucks. Pay to play sucks. Thank you for speaking up. You are appreciated.

[@maxkillian2262]

I am so glad you two know each other . Hopefully you two can do a regular show together someday . Respect for you both

[@HarshHistory]

You're both amazing. I love seeing content creators cross path. It shows there is a close knit group of people helping others thank you.

[@BROKEAZGAMER]

Yes! Men love seeing this because we finally feel seen.

[@thethesaxman23]

OH HOLY CRAP this is the colab we needed!!!

[@nathaneberle5526]

I went through hell with my X Wife because I always wanted to be with my daughter she knew how much my daughter meant to me so she would do everything to run that relationship but my daughter is nearly 20 now and I have an awesome relationship with my daughter and her mother doesn’t have to be involved at all lol 😂

[@sussexseaangler1858]

Amazing how bitchy women keep their daughters away from their fathers. Fortunately daughters WILL decide for themselves when big enough!

[@Maladjester]

@@sussexseaangler1858Yeah but by that time they've usually been thoroughly poisoned by the ex.

[@josephagnello9335]

I went through those changes . If it was not for empathetic, compassionate friend, I don't know if I 'd be here. I was so devastated. And, I learned how to reach out, and especially cry!

[@harrykoppers209]

I like both these ladies because I frequently just need my head patted and told I'm OK. There are enough of us that these ladies can have job security. I mean that in a positive way. Thankee both.

[@balleraap007]

Lmfaoo these are chameleons

[@timhendrix7679]

Sarah I admire the love you have for your brother. ❤ You so melt my heart. You, my dear girl, reinforce the impact one person can have. A lot more I wish I could say but I fear sounding like cheesy flattery. I stand with your brother. We both love you. ❤

[@stevenshadbolt2366]

No. We don't. Speak for yourself. Never trust a chameleon.

[@raydenn6027]

I love the content of Sarah, Lady Advocate and Emily because they know that when women build up their man the woman wins as well. It's a partnership not a competition,

[@davidnation7316]

Sarah and Lauren, you are both absolutely magic. You are both beautiful and light inside and out, a refreshing breath of fresh air. I love your message, sadly far too late for me. I am 65, a father of 2 beautiful daughters, 2 granddaughters, 1 grandson, 1 great grandson and 1 great granddaugnter. I have love in my heart for them all despite not having met them due to circumstances beyond our collective control. My daughters were used as a weapon against me. I was denied the right and opportunity to be a father. Weekend access that never happened because some other activity had been arranged at the last minute. So many firsts denied; first words, first steps, hugs and cuddles and feeling the love of my children, thanks to a vicious and vindictive former partner. It will come as no surprise that the hurt was palpable not being able to walk my youngest daughter down the aisle. Not being able to hold my grand kids, not being part of a loving and extended family. Loneliness is devestating. Still, I will very soon be removing that pain. Perhaps my tatoo under my heart sums up my feelings. NOT ONE SCAR ON MY HEART CAME FROM AN ENEMY. THEY CAME FROM PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY "LOVED ME".

[@danielr890]

I lol'd at the "they have to suffer the most" its so accurate.

[@Hun_Uinaq]

Yes. Being a father is tough these days. All you want in this world is to be there for your children and to be involved in their lives to the fullest possible extent. It’s what you sign up for when you decide you wanna be a dad. Love what y’all do. The world is better off by having you all in it. 💐 Thank you.

[@jerrymarshall2728]

These messages need to be spread far and wide! It’s so refreshing and encouraging to find sensible women who understand the disparity in how the genders are treated and mis-treated. Why can’t I find someone with such clear vision? That’s why men are just giving up on relationships!

[@balleraap007]

These are chameleons

[@stevenshadbolt2366]

Precisely! It's all lies, there is a hidden agenda here, that is a fact. Another fact is they hate us. Deeply and with ferocious passion and this "war" they are waging against us will not stop. Until they win. When they will also lose. But, you cannot tell them that, and quite frankly, I just don't care anymore anyway. Bring it on.

[@johnnycontreras6307]

Great talk. I’m a dad going through a nasty divorce. Wish I could share more, but I can’t because of divorce is going on. You both are right on point. Thank y’all

[@ChuckPackwood]

My 2 favorite Ladies. I have more respect for you both than You know. Thank You for what you do for us Men

[@ericbutters2516]

The sink cup is the most logical thing that has EVER existed. Should I dirty a cup every time I want a drink during the day or should I have a cup that I use throughout the day, and place it in a location that 1) I can find it again and 2) is located near the fridge/source of the drinks?

[@ElleS572]

I always put my glass/ cup in the refrigerator until I need it again.

[@ericbutters2516]

@@ElleS572 My fridge is usually too full for the glass but that seems to be a perfectly reasonable alternative and has the benefit that the glass itself stays cold.

[@itswhox2]

Funny thing is my whole family does it naturally. No explanation needed. Didn't have to explain it to my wife. One of the only things that's never been an issue between us.

[@IsaacHenryinAK]

I also have a sink cup and also a coffee-microwave-cup. I also have a couch in my bedroom has a couple pairs of pants and sweaters on it that have been worn, but are not ready to go in the laundry basket. 😂

[@NickBingham01]

I agree, I use one cup a day, usually wash it out and use it every day until I forget which one it is lol. The wife will use a dozen cups a day if she doesn't run out of clean cups first. I don't see any logic in doing more work for the same gains... Sure as hell won't make an issue of it, but I always wonder why this is such a gendered thing, basically every man I know has the same experience lol. In the future, archeological digs will know if a man was present in a household because of cups found near, but not in, sinks lol.

[@thomasmurray3920]

I love Lauren. She speaks the truth with a sense of humor that really appeals to me.

[@ShadowWolf_Ronin]

You two are the reason that I started to realize that as a man, I have a right to actually have feelings, and I deserve better. Thank you both so much!

[@AngelGoodwitch]

Wow! Thank you, Sarah Dawn and Lauren for opening my eyes to how the system REALLY works in terms of custody.

[@RayRayReddington]

I think it’s great that you’re best friends with your brother. My grandson is best friends with his sister and it really makes me happy to see.

[@devilsadvocacy]

Back when I was a 2L I interned at the college’s legal clinic, which provided free legal advice. When I was on the family-law detail we had 2-3 men, perfectly good men, come in every week with the same predicament. They had suffered job loss and couldn’t pay their alimony/child support, and were being threatened with jail. I took a cue from that and went full monk mode until I could afford to have a vasectomy. Don’t want to live life with chains on me

[@Maladjester]

Women getting everything they thought they wanted has resulted in good men closing up shop.

[@IsaacHenryinAK]

That's one side of it. But there's another side and that's that having kids brings incredible joy and purpose to your life. My kids are the most important thing in my life and although I wish I could have skipped the wife and gone straight to the kids, if I had to do it again, despite the kids and the child support, I'd still do it again so that I could be fortunate to have my amazing two daughters that bring so much more to my life than the money I pay to their mom.

[@devilsadvocacy]

@@IsaacHenryinAK I certainly don’t intend any disrespect to anyone who takes on the awesome job of parenthood. But I realized that it was not for me, and the incidents that I mentioned in my OP were just the final straw. There were lots of reasons why I opted out and the passage of time since then has only confirmed that I made the right decision. Congrats! I’m glad it has worked out well for you. Rock on

[@TheManLab7]

Same here. I've also had the snip.

[@tdegler]

As a man considering starting a family I am so thankful that those topics are coming to public discussion! Realizing how much systemic injustice for man gets overlook by society is unbelievable. Thank you!

[@advicedad]

I've followed yall both for months, thanks for getting together

[@josephcrafa2694]

Thank you so much for content of this type . I was one of those told “ it’s not worth the fight “ but that was for a step child I had raised .

[@vernonlemoignan1392]

It is so amazing to listen to women who watch us and learn about us without judgement, just curiosity and understanding. I have learned so much about myself by listening to both of you on various topics, and have learned a lot about women just by a kind of differential analysis. It’s really encouraging for men to know that some women are taking the time to understand us more deeply and constructively.

[@balleraap007]

These are chameleons

[@jimwroten8386]

Thank you so much for the comment about if you're the best at suffering you actually made me cry because that is exactly as a man what it feels like and I never knew that any woman would ever understand let alone a bit and say that out loud

[@GrekeFenris]

Two of my favorite content creators on KZbin doing a collab. Yes please!

[@chrisfortune1813]

There is an understanding with these two awesome people of the gulf separating "I have nothing I need to do now" and "I have gotten what I needed to do done"

[@JimiGosu]

Ya know why I watch Lauren's channel? It's not about validation. It's about understanding. Lauren understands us men so well! And she also teaches me a thing or two about women as well. So, it's a two-way street. She understands that men have feelings too. She understands that we're just as complicated as women, and helps us understand women as well. If more women were as understanding as Lauren, men and women would be so much happier. Dude, I TOTALLY have a Laundry Chair. Its contents vary depending on the season. In summer it gets t-shirts, in case I have to put on a shirt and go to the store. In winter, it has my purgatory jeans because when I have to walk through a blizzard to get to the store, I don't wanna risk stepping in a puddle which would soak my comfy sweatpants in dirty water. I've been saying for the last 5 years that, for all this talk about how I supposedly benefit from the patriarchy, I'm not seeing these alleged benefits. Modern women just seem so oblivious to the privileges they enjoy in western society, and have the gall to claim everything is rigged against them. No woman would even consider working as a Tower Climber. The job is climbing signal towers for radio stations and cell phone companies, TO CHANGE THE LIGHTBULB AT THE TOP. It nets you $130,000 a year, but you need nerves of steel and muscles of titanium. Because you have to actually CLIMB THE TOWER, easily reaching heights of 2000 feet. I'm not convinced ANY WOMAN could do a job like that. And then there's Deep Sea Saturation Divers, where people spend time in deep depths of the sea, living in a pressurized metal tube when they aren't doing construction at depths of 1000 feet OR MORE below the surface of the ocean. This, one of the most hazardous jobs IN THE WORLD pays about $1,400 per day, but if that metal tube breaks, it means an extremely agonizing death due to the instantaneous change in pressure and the cold, unforgiving water. Show me anyone who hasn't done this before, man OR woman, that says they want to or could do that job, and you'll be showing me a liar and a coward.

[@kylesloane3815]

You have no idea how appreciated you are Sarah. I know I've said this on another video, but truly thank you from a very deep place ❤️❤️🤗🤗😭😭. You truly inspire me.

[@VTSteve]

I love Sarah...and her pay attention focused look, I dig that.

[@frankbroker726]

I really appreciate thoughtful women....kindness goes a long way

[@Vegaswill714]

What a great combination! Two very cool ladies.

[@tylerowen8520]

The allocation of resources is huge, this then becomes so much harder when you are now a single parent. You are trying to do your best to support your children (physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually etc.), while also now having to take care ALL of the other things that normal life throws your way. There are far fewer supportive resources around, and available for men. Hearing female voices championing support for men is huge, especially when the times and culture are actively embattled against us. I am thankful for both of you, and what you do.

[@bigbrowntau]

So delighted to see both of you in one place! Thank you both for your hard work, and your support.

[@ketojack]

Thank you to both of you for everything!

[@jerrychubb6168]

Thank you both, Sarah and Lauren, for all that you do to help men heal and be better and attempt to bridge the gap between Venus and Mars as society evolves. I watch many videos of both of you, and Emily and Roma, and it's really helped mentally. Thanks!

[@krispex1974]

I’ve only just discovered both of your KZbin channels… thank you… finally some women who actually do understand what goes on… so often the messages I hear from my current and previous partners are that I am just not good enough, no matter how hard I try and no matter how much extra effort I expend, it just isn’t enough. Yup makes me shut down completely to avoid the constant criticism… wish there were more individuals that would really try to understand the male psyche in the UK. Thank you for speaking up for me!

[@piratechild]

Excellent discussion, Ladies!! Thank you for sharing your ideas and balanced insights.

[@CrashCraftLabs]

just wanted to say yall are doing good works in society, us men thank you very much for all the labor yall out into it, we need more people like yall speaking up and standing with us

[@Otisthelesser]

Men stand up for everything we believe in. We don’t always stand up for ourselves. What does that tell you.

[@davidburnett5049]

Internalized misandry

[@MJforlife-777]

A simp thats it😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@NotSteveCook]

Thank you, ladies, for caring enough about men as a whole to try to understand us, and to see the good in us.

[@tonyvieira4534]

I am a single father, my two daughters don’t want to be around their mother. The system is so biased many men find it easier to just not even get involved with a woman on a serious basis because of the unfairness and one sidedness

[@kurthummitzsch9948]

Thank you Sarah and Lauren. Really loved this discussion. Keep up the great work you both do.

[@jaybryant4037]

It was sad I watched my brother go threw a nasty divorce in which the mother used the child as a weapon against my brother. This to a point when my brother was nearing end of life that the child in her late teens was all about the money they could extract from him. Something I will not forget or forgive.

[@JoseRamirez-en4pd]

You 2 are hope in the corner of this world!! Keep up the great work!!

[@bforce3824]

Listening to this as I string a brand-new rod & reel setup.... Women don't necessarily hold the monopoly on spending for material goods - fishing gear, guns, ammo, boats, rv's, deer blinds, 4 wheelers, trucks, lowboy trailers and tools cost a ton of money! It was one of the problem areas when I was married. So much so, that it's part of what holds me back from ever getting married again lol.

[@jamesdoyle2769]

Yes, but the crucial difference is that men don't get to expect their wives to pay for all that or get to shame for not paying if they don't. Men get shamed for being depepndent on men in a way that women never experience in reverse. Men are expected to be adult and self-supporting in away women aren't.

[@_SatanLucifer_]

16:00 wow this hurts, this hit me so hard it’s like you just put your finger on all the pain in my past and present relationships and showed me where I was hurting without me even knowing I was hurt.

[@namelesscurmudgeon9794]

Sarah, thankyou for what you are doing, but long ago I formed the view that the only way for men to win was to not play the game. I gave up and went MGTOW monk 22 years ago. Men cannot win this fight. Women, as a collective, have been indoctrinated to hate men and empowered by a grotesquely unjust legal system that has been designed to destroy men. The best outcome for which men can hope is to survive. Survival can be achieved only by avoiding interaction with females, so far as that is possible. Walk away men. Keep on walking. When you hear women cry out for help, keep on walking. Women will turn on men the minute that the danger has passed. Do not put yourself at risk and expend resources to save someone who hates you and wants you dead.

[@cjsjedi73]

So happy to see you have Lauren on. I love her and you 2 are a awesome duo.

[@biren_biroo]

one (of the many dimensions to the 'no voice' for men-male) of the major thing i have suffered since adolscence is that i/men were expected to be a sexual being (i felt like a sex object) and i felt a huge pressure to be that, and in the same breath i was constantly been seen as a sex-starved being - without even having used my eyes, just by the dint of having a male body.

[@patfarmer8127]

Thank you Ms. Sarah for Educating us, As a grandmother who has a son & nephews this information is helpful👍

[@paulnichols1464]

Our society is so totally upside down that no one knows what their identity and roles are or should be. Narcissism and entitlement, coupled with the lack of common sense, has become the norm. This is leading to depression, unhappiness. disillusionment, and disassociation.

[@Wolfmanjc-e3f]

Thank you ladies..you have no idea how much we appreciate you

[@leonardstefanyshyn40]

Death is easier than divorce for men. Have lost my dad , lost a son but the divorce was horrible. After over a decade it still is not settled. The judge doesn’t even know what to do. He records everything just to cover his but from her. There is no trust left.

[@ghostbearr1]

I am glad that the 2 of you exist. Please keep up the good work.

[@donovanwilliams5424]

It's because men are allowed zero voice anywhere: IRL, social media, companies, government, anywhere.

[@chapstickaddict435]

men have always had a voice. Always. Still do. Y'all just hate women are allowed to have a voice as well now.

[@awfulfalafelwafflerofl2800]

Citation needed. I'm a 41 year old man, and I have NEVER felt like I wasn't allowed to have a voice. Go touch grass.

[@quinnS870]

As a woman, I love both of these womens channels. Thank you both for doing what you do.

[@sorryociffer]

Because they are feeling the pressure of men checking TFO….

[@andrewwabik5125]

That was my thought. There are some women who are very aggressive/take charge types and that’s fine. But I’m thinking that most women would honestly prefer a man taking the lead in most situations. They’re realizing that they don’t like men checking out because they’re starting to realize all of the responsibility that they’re forced to take on when men check out of life.

[@sorryociffer]

@@andrewwabik5125 Make no mistake, they don’t WANT to change for the better, they would prefer that men still simp and give them everything… They are only doing it out of self preservation.

[@petedoyle3400]

My last 2 ex-girlfriends absolutely refused to listen to me and wondered why I was distancing myself from them, and one refused to accept that I was ending the relationship. My current relationship is way better than both of those relationships combined, with all the bad taken out of both.

[@JustaReadingguy]

Just an other observation. As we go through secondary education we see boys doing so poorly that we are think boys and men are defective. That's not from what we are feed in the media but from our personal experience. So, it seems we need to help boys do better in school. It's helpful to remember boys mature later than girls. The way our schools are structured puts men at a dis advantage.

[@markdescalzo9404]

I'm not convinced anymore that men/boys do mature more slowly. They mature in a different direction. Sadly, the educational system in the US is catering to girls/women and has been at least since the 70s. I recall being told by teachers (including both my parents) that girls are smarter than boys. That wrecked me for most of my life. It is only recently I've learned that was a lie.

[@jackdeniston59]

@@markdescalzo9404 I am convinced this is just another lie. Men are 1/3 bigger, so yeah to build a mansion takes longer than to build a shed. Plus, to succeed at school, really it is all about submit comply obey. Reasoning, questioning and understanding are punished.

[@satyampatel8402]

Can we elaborate on what you mean boys mature in a different direction? I struggled like hell in school (especially high school) and I would be curious to know if there might be a different way to learn

[@AwakenedAvocado]

​@@jackdeniston59that's a good point to think about , perhaps the measure of girls maturing faster is completely wrong in the first place and being measured wrongly.

[@AwakenedAvocado]

​@@satyampatel8402but are you more practical in how you learn ? There are many ways. Our schools are not designed for all as they say they are, with the one size fits all approach that's completely failed.

[@CorazonDeCristoCano]

Love the video. Great insights for both men and women to take away from this discussion. Knowing there are women like you that exist makes me feel more hopeful and less jaded about relationships.

[@balleraap007]

These are chameleons

[@Fishmorph]

My wife does the "laundry chair" technique with used paper towels. She dabs up a spill, but she's not yet willing to throw away the paper towel completely, so she leaves it on the counter. Instead of looking at the Sink Cup and thinking, "That's a dish I have to wash," try thinking, "That's five drinks out of one cup, so that's four cups I *didn't* have to wash." And let's not forget our Greek roots. *Patriarchy* is rule by the fathers - that is, by *old* men (hashtag not all men). A government where *all* men were in charge would be an *andrarchy.* Women complain about the "patriarchy" as if it it means "andrarchy." So whether or not we agree that we live in a "patriarchy" depends on our understanding of the word. I'll totally agree we live under the rule of old men, particularly old rich men, who basically set up the rules to benefit themselves. No question about that. The majority of men at the bottom of the heap are just as screwed as anyone else is.

[@visaman]

It depends on the paper towel of course I bought generic towels once and they barely held up with a drop of water

[@jamesredman1263]

Thank you both. And I appreciate knowing where your viewpoints are coming from.

[@FredMacGinnis]

I got so much from this collaboration ladies..thank so much to you both. Sarah...ditto, it is personal preference...but there's something so sexy about being classy! I don't want to come off as telling anyone how to dress...but personally I am so bored with yoga pants and athe-lesiure ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE! Yes I look at the body and appreciate when a woman has nice muscle tone and other things to get my attention... (but wait I'm not supposed to objectify women! I can see every curve but if i look im bad! ). Sorry, got off subject.... the women that actually catch my eye are dressed professionally or classy....you know the signal that I get from that. SHE HAS MORE TO OFFER THAN HER BODY! Like a brain and self respect, and her own power that she doesn't need to show the world her body to command respect. Rant over.... Lauren I did not know of your channel....but I will shortly be a new subscriber!

[@jamesharrison3675]

Holy cow I’ve been waiting for these two to work together for a while. This was an amazing video. U2 are amazing. Thank you for all that you do do not only man Splane for us and speak up for us, but to try to teach us how to be better men for our women or giving us knowledge from the council of women.

[@darkchthonian856]

I agree the system is built against men, its like divorces. Women who are college educated the divorce rate is above 90% and women who havent been to college will divorce the man 75 to 80%. Then the woman gets everything that the guy owns and takes the man's kids away. Its why i say women need to be submissive and have traditional views and values, its the only way a marriage or relationship will work. I dont expect to make friends with this, however, its facts that when a marriage or relationship that have traditional views and values will succeed and be more efficient then marriage and relationships that dont have those views and values that are traditional

[@myfatherslegacy2431]

Tragic reality 50% of men are out of the game completely. 63% of men under 30 are out. So much needs to change to bring men back to the game. It’s the judges and lawyers. Custody is predicted on what’s best for children. Statistics show children from single father homes do far better compared to those from single homes. As an old guy, this issue is not my concern. A growing number of young men that can afford it are moving abroad. Not mail order bride, moving to start and raise their family over there. Men are risk benefit focused. The risk far out weighs the benefit in modern times. This discussion showcases one of the most significant hurdles to dating and marriage.

[@michaelgallegos8811]

Great episode ladies 😊Thank You both ✌️👋🌹❤️

[@larrywuzhere3866]

I had to stop the video to answer the question: why are the state laws unequal to parents? Because this vastly expands the power of the state and creates a SHIT_TON of revenue to the states. I view the prime years of my life as an indentured slave for what the state of Texas did to me because my ex wanted a nofault divorce. The real question is why do we tolerate it?

[@aaronmays4355]

Glad I watched this. Thank you ladies!

[@thecoolio9167]

The two of you, are two of the most beautiful women on the internet, and I'm not talking about your looks. Thank you for everything that both of you do.

[@chasingblue8952]

The left-over issue is about distributing the husband’s sacrificed time to someone outside of family; too giving, with money, things, or attention.

[@chasingblue8952]

I only have a company phone (can't download What's App or Telegram). Is there another way?

[@omegabkg]

I appreciate you girls for your time, effort & studies.

[@PuissantPeacock]

I had no idea there was a girl tree to pick from! Where is it?!

[@alkirk-ws4co]

yeah where is it and then hold my beer while I get an axe.

[@cramfive3205]

My wife has out earned me our whole marriage (37 yrs). It has had its issues, but we have gotten over them. Marriage is a series of challenges to worked out.... together.

[@damianchristie288]

i know of a fella who was going through a divorce and having a lot of problems ,he decided to identify as femail no more problems

[@damianwright3690]

Damn... Guess there'll be a lot of TG people in the wake of divorces in the future

[@Amberdogproductions]

2 of my favorite creators on one video discuss these thoughts, wow. And 2 of the most beautiful ladies too. That makes for a great video.

[@kd1872]

It's sad, I had a girlfriend for 7 years. She started talking about marriage, which changed the dynamic of the relationship for me. I then looked at her as wanting to take over me, and my life savings. That mindset found reinforcement in many things she said after that. We are no longer together. That is the reputation marriage has to me after seeing many men getting burnt, just right out of the blue.

[@rampantsarcasm2220]

so you had some paranoid delusions? Because unless there was evidence that she wanted to do any of those things you can bring forward, that's what it sounds like

[@kd1872]

@@rampantsarcasm2220 That's right, it's my right to choose.

[@kd1872]

@jim I think of how unhappy I would of been if I had of kept on this course. Double whammy knowing before hand.

[@ninacroftchannel]

I'm doing the same thing in my part of the world. And when I'm asked why I'm standing up for men, I always say that I'm actually standing up for the FAMILY, for the CHILDREN, who have an inherent right to have a mother and a FATHER, and not selfish mothers who only cares about their own feelings and "butterflies in their stomach." Shout out, Sarah ♥

[@Mickey-os2my]

Modern women are not able to accept the fact that the Hierarchy of Life that has always existed is God , Man , Woman , Child , Nature.

[@markthomas6436]

Absolutely correct, Mickey. First Things, eh?

[@awfulfalafelwafflerofl2800]

Gross.

[@kennethweser]

I just found this channel and I love it. I've got 1 ex wife and two ex girlfriends and all three were leaches. No matter what I did for them or gave them, they just wanted more and did or gave me nothing in return. Not even simple affection. So I may be alone now, I LOVE IT that there are people out there who understand and validates what I've gone through. It makes me feel so much better about myself! Keep it up ladies!❤

[@emerald3331]

That's great that you were able to get together and have a discussion

[@justinbruck9602]

I would like to say as someone who wants to get married and have a happy wife, I appreciate the insight you both provide on women and what they want, and the interesting quirks about men that are more endemic to the gender and not unique to me.

[@davehadley3567]

Thankfully these two ladies are such good role models and it gives us hope we might find a lady with similar mindset.

[@robjuhasz2462]

I absolutely love you two, two educated women in one video. BTW I have a clothes chair for not for basket clothes lol.