Why Won't BVHR Buff The Trapper?

[@MintSkull]

The point of this video is not to "rework" or "buff" The Trapper, rather it's to explore the reasons behind why some of the most popular suggestions for The Trapper were not added, or why BHVR doesn't seem to have any interest in changing Evan Macmillan! Apologies for any editing errors, it's very hot where I live and my Laptop has started to overheat really quick. This results in my entire Laptop crashing constantly, or getting stuck in loading screens. For that reaso, 5 minutes of the video where deleted! In regards to some parts of the video: When I refer to Blight and Nurse "promoting" fun gameplay, what I meant is that both characters offer mechanically complex gameplay that are unique to those characters. Playing against an average Nurse or Blight that is not abusing addons is fun (At least for me and my group!) Any character in the game can play in a disgusting way, but that's a problem of Dead By Daylight, and not a character's kit. I could have mentioned Leatherface and his camping abilities, for example! Second of all, regarding spawn logic near generators, that would only work if the Developers add new addons that maybe inflict penalties to survivors that disarm them, or if BHVR adds a mechanic to punish interrupting disarms. Even then, with the current kit, I would still want better spawn logic rather than having my bear traps spawn in random corner loops!

[@kilo4295]

Agreed on that. Nurse at her core is one of the most fun killers to play against, honestly. She completely flips the formula of dbd on its head and after playing the exact same match over and over again, that shakeup is appreciated. DbD makes nurse unfun, not nurse. Similar example, I think going against a Bubba that is playing the actual game is one of the most fun experiences in dbd. Bubbas kit allows a strategy that has honestly been accidentally enforced by bhvr in a lot of cases, i.e. camping and tunneling. That said I don't think Bubba at his core is the problem, I just think that strategy being promoted has made the problem. I hope the new hook grab changes help a lot, and I think there will be more changes that drop to make the strategy less efficient in the future.

[@Kerruo]

Give him anti-personell landmines

[@SweetLeavesXbox1]

They buffed the trappers "setting trap" speed before. But I never understood why the trapper had to travel to grab his ability. He needs to start with every trap as basekit. Also, his traps should give survivors a mend state if stepped in. Lastly, the traps need to be a bit larger. Running around his traps make his ability useless. Also, plays against the trapper if the trapper can't walk around the traps.

[@localidiot2777]

This aged poorly lol

[@FrostyTheNightmare]

>Gets some of the coolest cosmetics. >Gets a well crafted story and lore. >Is the killer mascot of the game. >Is a slight reference to one of the greatest killers in horror history. >Just has a cool design in general. >Is the weakest killer in the game by a landslide.

[@whatishappening983]

who is he referencing tho?

[@franciscopicco9865]

@@whatishappening983 Jason, I think

[@middox239]

what killer is he referencing?

[@FrostyTheNightmare]

@@franciscopicco9865 Yes, yes Trapper is suppose to be a semi reference to Jason

[@uwu-ul9mm]

Cool design? How? Where? 😹😹😹

[@The_Nata]

The real reason BHVR won't Buff the Trapper is because if they try to do any changes to him the whole DBD Spaghetti Code would collapse and the game would implode

[@JadedWolf07-bg2vy]

This

[@Xintvir31]

I like to think they have trappers coding in a fire proof safe that has a post note that says “don’t touch”

[@patrickj.pilardiaz3849]

they could just make another killer, give it the trapper abilities, call it the trapper andmake it's picking icon go above the OG Trapper's when selecting a Killer... it's not that hard

[@una-mura]

​@@patrickj.pilardiaz3849"oh, just make another killer, so easy smh" do you even listen to yourself?😂

[@patrickj.pilardiaz3849]

@@una-muraI mean They already have his code there literally in the game itself, they don't have to think of NEW abilities, it's a ctrl+c ctrl+v thing I'm not saying they just copy paste and voala! in a minute I'm saying that for a company as big as them they could do it without any problem Which leads to believe they unironically really want The Trapper to be weak for beginner aesthetic purposes

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

Simple and easy fix to this. Just give Trapper a gun with instant Mori

[@MintSkull]

My god, what was I thinking! This is obviously the way!

[@commanderdemonno9819]

it makes sense, the trap is his line of sight

[@Tacdelio]

okay but what if you're on the right track? what if they just re-combine the trapper and huntress?

[@TheTerrorNavigator]

Yeah just give him the rocket launcher nemesis was supposed to have

[@grimreaper.123-zhr]

I mean, in his lore he used land mines to seal in miners. So replace his traps with those.

[@TheTerrorNavigator]

I once told some of my boys a unique idea to buff trapper’s basekit. Just make it so that survivors who step in a bare trap are hindered by 10% until fully healed. It’s like an indirect buff to his chase. Not only that but it makes sense that a person’s movement would be crippled after stepping in a bear trap 😂

[@traperzdbd6148]

It's exactly my idea too, but people would complain that he is boring to play against

[@Rambley_The_Raccoon8203]

Legit evil, but well thought out idea I’d be willing to see lol

[@Tishbiscuit]

I think he should start with his traps as well.. 10% hindered is a lot.. especially if it won't go away until fully heal.. Maybe 5%

[@TheTerrorNavigator]

@Tish_Games bro imagine you stepping into a bear trap in real life. Really just imagine that shit. You would be immobilized possibly for the rest of your life. I think 10% in a video game is fair given what bear traps can do irl

[@Tishbiscuit]

@lazyalpha928 yeah but bear traps in dead by daylight is not based on real life

[@gh0stf4ce84]

The traps should have its color changed depending on the map. As a example, the trap would be yellow if the match is on Eyrie of Crows

[@theodoreavdikos9804]

An ingenious idea with no major drawbacks!

[@gh0stf4ce84]

@@theodoreavdikos9804 Thanks for the feedback ^^

[@alexandredasilvavilasboasrosas]

piss trap

[@goggleassistant]

(or at the very least make the brown addon do that)

[@PhoenixAce]

@@gh0stf4ce84I think they’re mocking you

[@CyborgCR]

While trapper himself is flawed, I think the game as a whole has a huge part in him being so weak. As you said, DbD was originally a very immersive horror game, with dark, foggy maps covered in high grass and survivor players were scared to get in the killer's way. The game just fundamentally doesn't fit trapper anymore, now that it's more focused on competitive play and cosmetics/licenses.

[@MintSkull]

Absolutely. The game “The Trapper” was designed for is gone since the “Realm Beyond” update

[@user-es7uz6kk7b]

@@MintSkullsame with nurse but opposite effect she was fine cause the game was more about stealth so her being strong in chase was fine same as spirit but i think spirit is a good example for showing how they can bring old design into the current format and playstyle of the game

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

Game definitely isn't focused on competitive play. But everything else you said is correct. The game isn't the same style it used to be. Especially when it comes to how survivors are supposed to be afraid of the killer. But arent. Its turned into how long can the survivors bully the killer lol. Its just sad. I wish it was actually a competitively viable game. But with even tournaments needing to create a different scoring system due to how easily high level teams can do all gens. Its just unfortunately not the reality. And probably never will be. Just waiting for the next game to cannibalize DBD. They've incompetently trudged along for long enough due to zero competition.

[@papercat5829]

​@@TheCosmicAstro- imma be honest. Bullying the killer was 5x times easier before. Insta heal medkit syringe. Infinite loops. Insta done gen brand new part. Insta blind flashlight. Nuff said.

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

@papercat5829 it being worse before doesn't mean it's fine now.. lol. Plus they have fancy new busted perks and perks built in and more coming. The devs are doing everything they can to get rid of their dwindling killer playerbase. It's only a matter of time

[@foomongus2935]

honestly, i think the issue with trapper is the same issue with freddy, SM, and pre buff singularity, which is the survivors ability to disable the power is too strong

[@SentryWill]

At least with Freddy you can teleport to gens and do...something with your power that survivors can't block

[@FinestFantasyVI]

@@SentryWill until the gens are done

[@V_Urizen]

And now hag

[@V_Urizen]

In some maps ita easy to see hags traps and its easier now to destroy her power within few seconds..i mean these type of killers can heavily defend basement

[@JustWatching4429]

What is SM?

[@TauonTu]

I think a really simple thing the developers could do is to simply make all of his starting traps begin the trial as active, that way there is a chance for an early start to the trapper if someone steps in it, and allows for early game info if a survivor decides to disarm the trap early on, or the survivors can choose to risk leaving the trap active as to not give an alert to their location.

[@greatbrandini3967]

This has been my favorite idea as well. The only counter argument I've been able to come up with is that maybe new players won't want to go reposition them since they're already set. It would also probably be the easiest to code into the game

[@kinroga]

Have all starter traps already be in loop choke points and active. Sounds like it would definitely help

[@afrosamurai3847]

​@@greatbrandini3967Idk this pandering to new players is getting old, I was a new player and picked up everything I needed to do well in a week. People need to stop baby bubble wrapping everything and either learn to get better or bounce. We can't innovate anything when we are constantly looking back.

[@greatbrandini3967]

@@afrosamurai3847 I'm only playing devil's advocate. I don't think Trapper should be a garbage killer just to coddle new survivors

[@be4ut1ful.st4rl1ght]

​@afrosamurai3847 thats a terrible mindset for a game thats already suffering in player numbers

[@Monkey_Business_JJ]

I suppose if the beginner killers aren’t that good, it will incentivize the player to either quit, grind, or buy new killers and perks with their own money. I can’t see much reason otherwise why they’d blatantly ignore a suffering character, especially a flagship character.

[@Btobebone]

I'd agree with you if nurse wasnt one of the free starting killers.

[@Monkey_Business_JJ]

@@Btobebone Nurse takes a lot of practice to play efficiently and requires perks from other killers in order to succeed at the higher ranks. Most players don’t have the patience to grind for perks and endure many 0-1 kill matches before mastering a killer. The alternative is to grind for shards and check the shrine often.

[@kutoro4497]

@@Monkey_Business_JJI disagree nurse doesn’t need perks even at the highest level, all she needs is muscle memory. If you can gain the ability to down survivors in 20 seconds then you basically secure the 3-4k every single time without fail. Nurse is a problem that bhvr refuses to fix. Nurse is not a killer, nurse is a different game.

[@Monkey_Business_JJ]

@@kutoro4497 That takes skill and lots of experience to pull off consistently. Not everyone is SuperAlf or Ardetha.

[@Monkey_Business_JJ]

@@kutoro4497 I do agree that Nurse hasn’t been changed enough, and Blight still has Com33, 23, and Alchemist Ring at full power.

[@eliasforseth4543]

I like how BHVR think that trapper is fine when they nerf him indirectly by making the grass shorter and sparser

[@godkingberkyy]

I love the fact that nurse has her own Tier list xD Also great content, especially I love the fact that how you are pointing out how BHVR is robbing us

[@MintSkull]

Hahaha, I wouldn’t say robbing! It’s just that sadly The Trapper is in a very unique state!

[@honeypotusername]

​@@MintSkullI mean they're literally just after money. They throw bones to the community when their profits dip and roll out new cosmetics before people remember how much the game sucks.

[@GERdeathstar]

I feel like the Trapper's kill rate overall would be much lower if they filtered out the extremely lucky shack basement matches where you get a surv hooked in basement early and trap up the place, followed by the entire team just swarming the place for an easy 4K.

[@adamwei_sshaupt]

It’s crazy how much of game sense you have and how you see every angle of game design. Ngl I thought most of the „controversial“ buffs were pretty good but after watching this vid it is clear why they don’t work. Poor old Trapper, will he ever prosper?

[@MintSkull]

Thanks for the comment, but please never take anything balance related I say as a fact! This video is just me speculating on why BHVR is not doing the popular changes. However I could be completely wrong and it’s for another reason!

[@afrosamurai3847]

​@@MintSkullYeah no it's pure laziness on their part just look at how they tried to nerf Billy on addon usage bhvr have no idea the metagame of the game or anything regarding balance until you rub their nose in it. Even then they'll still try to ignore it preferring to just make more cosmetics for people to gobble up than actually innovate anything.

[@nolshinguy09]

I don’t know what it is. But it’s ALWAYS a good day when Mintskull uploads.

[@MintSkull]

Thanks!

[@HenryChunn]

Factual information with study’s to back it up.

[@elpabloeshue]

I agree with your proposed changes, and I would also add this: 1. Trapper no longer triggers his own traps as basekit. This is because of the problem with his hitbox being bigger than that of survivors, which leads to situations where they can go around the traps but Trapper cannot. 2. Increase the time it takes to disarm traps and to get free out of them, making it more feasible for Trapper to get to a trapped survivor before they escape, or at least to make them lose more time with traps instead of gens or something else. Maybe it could be a bit faster to get free if another survivor helps the one trapped, since then there are two survivors spending time on it. 3. Make the addon that darkens traps basekit, but instead (as I read on another comment) make their color more similar to the ground of that respective map (or maybe reduce its opacity?). 4. Give the Trapper haste for a couple seconds when a trap is disarmed. Since survivors now can see on the HUD when someone is being chased, they would know when not to disarm them. Also, if he's not in chase it would help him reach places faster or comeback to the disarmed trap quicker. Or BHVR could just entirely rework him, change his name to The Rapper and make him kill the survivors with his deadly rhymes.

[@NewSirenSong]

Not bad overall, suggested change however, change the haste bonus to when a survivor becomes trapped instead of a standard disarm. This would allow him to either close out a chase or give him greater chances of reaching the trapped survivor in time. In addition, reveal the aura of survivors who disarm traps for 5 seconds. Make coffee grounds basekit. Unironically, I can't agree with more grass, it removed skill expression from survivors. Walking on eggshells truly isn't fun for most people. I'd much rather see unique trap locations that have the opportunity to catch me off guard or force me to path poorly, netting me less distance from trapper per loop. That gameplay is fun, because trapper catches me faster due to intelligent trap placement. Grass was there so I caught a survivor for free isn't nearly as fun, for me at least.

[@daskanguru3515]

The thing that has been and continues to hurt Trapper the most are the map reworks/new maps and the utterly horrible grass patches and lack of rubble like on the old maps. One more reason the DBD community should see more grass in the future.

[@creeperpiggy7971]

my friends wonder why I cry about the grass so much on every map but Swamp + Dead Dawg, trapper main issues lol Also fr the old grass was way more atmospheric and cooler looking, now its this weird spaghetti lookin thing

[@theARoberts]

It feels like the Trapper is somewhat of a relic from a time where the game was simpler and slower. His power is also dependent on map knowledge more than a lot of the other Killers.

[@rossalbane7743]

Giving trapper bear traps that are either themed traps like the hooks are to help them blend into their environment or transparent, glass-like bear traps could potentially be a big quality of life update that makes trapper on maps like the game and other bad trapper maps easier

[@theodoreavdikos9804]

The changes you suggested are very spot on.He should also set up traps faster. Additionally, they can add the mangled and hemorhage status effects when a survivor steps into a trap.

[@Blythe985]

1:27 I think its funny that the first thing you do in this game is set up for losing. Using a trap on an exit gate right away (while yes you're there right now) feels a bit strange. Its like you know it will come to that point in the game for sure

[@MintSkull]

I am so used to playing Endgame Trapper that I started running No Way Out and trap exit gates constantly 😂 It’s my favourite way of playing him!

[@SadeFade]

guess what!

[@itsjustbradttv2382]

Just let the man start with his traps as basekit ffs……………………

[@cakez8044]

My idea for the trapper would be that stepping on a trap will hinder and hemorrhage you for 10-30 secs if you pull yourself off avoid this if your teammate removes it. Give the trapped person the dying state bonus to see if its worth pulling yourself off or if you can wait for a teammate (optional). Would remove the attempt to escape from the traps cuz its just a hole button attempt and turn it to the wiggle skill check without great skill checks and smaller bars for 5-8 seconds. Make base kit traps have an auto timer of 80 seconds to arm themselves.

[@makimakimakimakimakimaki]

I think giving a small speed boost for when a survivor disarms a bear would be good because it will help against swf because they wouldn’t disarm them during chases and how loud it and a killer symbol in the HUD you can predict when a bear trap will be used so it could still be good in solo w for the most part

[@reselieverborn6445]

This is a good idea, I feel like it's very in-lore for him because he's meticulous about his hooks and bear traps so if a survivor decides to mess with it, he'd be sent into a rage

[@JackalEtheriasu]

How to fix The Trapper just give him a new Addon "It's Trappin time" The entity decide that trapper is just letting survivor go away too often. Time to spicy up things adding Bear Traps to every pallet, vault and exit gates.

[@WiseMan20]

Add the red add-on, the Bloody Coil one, and make it a core mechanic with a little boost. On the first trap you disarm, you get from healthy to injured. Then, on the second trap that you disarm, you get from injured to deep wound. This way there is a penalty to try to get all of the traps on the map, even if you have a perk or map that reveals them. And if you are in deep wound you can not disarm one more, because it will get you into dying state or you can even go as far as if you try to touch a trap and disarm it while in deep wound, it fastens the bleed out timer so that even if you attept to disarm it you will get into the dying status and the trap stays on. Simple fix with no implications of new perks or mechanics in the game, only using the existing ones. Also teaches new players all of the health states and how to counter them. This way, even if you try to get all of the traps, you are constantly putting yourself into the risk of being found and get downed easy and you have to mend each time you try to disarm a new trap. It will boost the games facing solo survivors and also give an advantage against swf, compared to the state that he is in now.

[@CyberianFaux]

The easiest way to "fix" trapper is to make 3 add-ons basekit or some variation of them. Make it so injured survivors that get trapped escape into the dying state (healthy survivors become injured with deep wounds), make it so he disarms his traps when he walks over them as it is still punishing without being too much like trapping himself, and finally make it so you injure yourself when you disarm them at basekit. He won't be great but will be way more usable without sacrificing beginner friendliness.

[@Left4Sharkbait]

Yeah tbh it's pretty easy to buff him by just making a bunch of stuff Basekit, literally all he needs imo

[@CyberianFaux]

@@Left4Sharkbait Yeah, for the most part, I think it genuinely could make a major difference at a high level without sacrificing that "simple to understand" character they need in the game.

[@PistolSlinginMothMan]

I really think he shouldn't be able to step in his own traps, at least when he's not carrying someone. Like he was the one who placed it, so he should be able to effectively step over it as opposed to stepping directly on it. While carrying someone I think it's fine because he's fighting against someone wiggling, making it harder for him to perfectly step over the traps.

[@b_random5511]

Something I feel that could make Trapper just a little strong is increasing the size of the Bear Traps hitbox in width. So, it's bigger on its sides which makes it harder or near impossible for survivors to still be able to loop around loops with traps on them, forcing them to go to a different loop. Which can also make it so that the survivors will be forced more into the open with nowhere to go, giving trapper a better chance to injure them. I also thought of a nice change is to make it so that the more traps placed/armed, certain mechanics of the trapper will be increased (sort of like Fire Up, except less strong given the amount of traps that have to be armed.)

[@keimakatsuragi7482]

This can be very problematic for a three gen

[@Las_croquetoak_de_Txapote]

Maybe The trapper could start with 3 minutes of undetectable status effect that could be cancelled if The trapper downs a survivor.

[@godcow6211]

i get it but that sounds stupid

[@Las_croquetoak_de_Txapote]

​@@godcow6211Any better idea?

[@godcow6211]

Is there something gives the trapper a speed boost when places a trap

[@Las_croquetoak_de_Txapote]

Yes, there's an addon that does that. Maybe the could make it basekit

[@leonidasra2010]

I think with the agitation mechanic, it should build up into a fury mode with every trap disarmed or survivor caught or setting of a trap, would build up the fury/agitation mode then in the mode a visual would be all over Trapper that way you know that he was empowered and he would get various buffs. I feel that is fair cause Myers and Oni can pop their power on anyone, and the devs think that's fair, and the buffs could be simple so beginners understand it and high mmr killers can use it to their advantage, even the counterplay works somewhat because survivors can choose not disarm traps risking stepping into in chase later or risk empowering Trapper. Good survivors may be able to loop him until the agitation mode ends, on the killer side if survivors don't disarm your traps, you have the advantage in certain chases while also being able to build your power passively by placing a new different trap, (that way someone can just spam placing the same trap to build the Mode) and survivors do disarm a trap you get points toward your power. There are still problems with this, but I think this and some other buffs could pull Trapper out of F tier

[@orionrowan7777]

I think this is great idea, but it makes trapper too complex for a begginer killer

[@sherif7491]

​@@orionrowan7777do not forget nurse is a beginner killer

[@orionrowan7777]

@@sherif7491 not rly. Nurse is free to play from the start, yes, but the purpose of nurse isnt to introduce players to the game. Trapper fills a very specific role as a poster child of the game and the chatacter you pla in tutorial so a lot of begginers will pick him up as a first killer. Not a lot of ppl will see the nuese "hard" difficulty and pick her up as the 1st killer. Trapper is supposed to be designed as a simple killer that introduces u to the mechanics of the game, that's his purpose. So giving him complicated mechanics would kinda ruin that

[@SpaceWaterfall1]

Obviously the most balanced buff you could do is to have any survivor instanly be sacrificed when they step on a beartrap :) Jokes aside one idea I had is to allow the Trapper to slowly step over his bear traps when he looks down and walks over them without disarming them. This should keep the aspect of his Trapper identity of being the trap laying mastermind to remember his traps and not be careless, which making the Makeshift Wrap add-on base kit would hurt. Additionally he is a tall guy with long legs, physically he should be able to step over a bear trap when he is aware of it, that's why he should look down to keep an eye on his trap while making a big step over it. However it should not be done at his regular walking speed, instead he should do it slowly and carefully, this allows the Makeshift Wraps to still exsist as they are and it still slows the Trapper down for any survivor to get a bit more distance, potentially punishing him enough for bad or unfortunate trap placement, while not punishing him for not forgetting his traps or for being fat shamed by the map. Now I know that this might be a bit compicated for new players and that this is a new mechanic that would take time to program, but besides that I think it would really fit Trapper, even as a horror character, the tall trap laying killer would so definetly step over his own trap in a hypothetical slasher movie in a dramatic scene. Atleast to me, this ability seems like it naturally belongs to the Trapper. And with the issue of already injured survivors stepping into a trap, my idea is to simply have it take a tiny bit more time to fill the escape attempt bar, wheter the rng old way is kept or a fixed longer non-rng way like the one proposed in the vid is used.

[@xmarik1987]

Can you do some sort of this video for Freddy, please? In Reddits AMA, devs said he is "on their radar for killers to update".... whatever this means. Can you do a video what you think they should do with Freddy Krueger, the least picked licensed Killer in the game, which is sad.

[@braytonewell]

The idea with the Trapper getting no updates due to a good kill rate goes identical to Sadako. She greatly deserves a fair buff, but she is actually quite high on KR lists, possibly a lot from the Condemned Build like Trapper's Basement Build.

[@blackzero2253]

even that falls apart because of the new sadako buffs coming lmao

[@mongrelfox4569]

Some ideas I had for Trapper a while back: Survivors who escape from a Trapper bear trap without assistance from another survivor suffer from a X% hindered status effect for Y seconds - This debuff is removed when fully healed or by going into the downed state. - Encourage teamwork to avoid a hindered debuff, but risk grouping up and allowing trapper to apply pressure on two survivors. Survivors within Trapper's terror radius can not see traps until they are within a X metre distance. - Makes the trapper more dangerous in chase, as a survivor will not be able to see if a loop up ahead is trapped until it's too late. - Based off of the idea of people panicking in horror movies when the killer/monster is chasing/close by, so it's a got a little immersive element to it. - Works in theme with his two base perks involving terror radius. Makeshift Traps Add-On: "Traps constructed from a variety of scavenged components, causing unpredictable injuries to anyone caught in their jaws." - Survivors caught in a Bear Trap suffer from a random negative status effect (blindness, hemorrhage, etc) until healed. If used with another add-on that applies a particular status affect, that effect will not be included in the random effects possible. - I know it's RNG but still pretty amusing. Could be another meme add-on like padded jaws if someone with better game design sense than me looked at it.

[@gabrote42]

Good changes

[@skarhn6215]

If your going to have a title like this u gotta have a “why won’t behaviour nerf blight” video 😂

[@MintSkull]

I am interested in making videos like this for each character! However even I cannot defend in any way the reason why Alchemist Ring is NOT NERFED YET!!!!

[@taragnor]

Yeah Trapper I can kind of understand because he risks becoming a really annoying 3 gen killer, and it's hard to buff him against skilled survivors, but not weak ones. Blight I still have no idea why they won't nerf him.

[@JondarKorric]

@@taragnor because unlike Nurse, Blight takes actual skill to get good with.

[@taragnor]

@@JondarKorric I wouldn't say that. There's a big difference between a bad nurse and a good nurse. A bad nurse is almost helpless because they can't even act like a basic killer. A bad blight can at worst just use his power to jet around the map and close with people (similar to wraith) then resort to being a fast basic killer.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Trapper is like TF2 Stock Melee of DBD. Basically Trapper is a basic blank slate killer that is used by Devs as a template to build off of. By buffing him too much they gonna remove Trappers niche of being "accessible to new players" and being a stock template for all killers

[@soundrogue4472]

23:10 I'm a rookie to understanding Dead by Daylight and even I think that game mechanic isn't that complex. If you're having trouble understanding a bloody TEMP speed boost then Overwatch and many, many other FPS games would've died by now for being too complex because of that. Edit: keep in mind, temp speed boost on the beginner heroes exist.

[@jeang6588]

The merciless storm skillchecks I feel would fit much better when trying to escape from a bear trap. You don't miss, escape in 8 seconds, every miss either removes a certain percentage or just stops the bar until you hit a skillcheck again.

[@yotsugiononoki5343]

Why don’t you make trap hit boxes bigger so they actually block door ways and you can rearm them faster also there harder to see b/c one some maps like crows you aren’t getting trapped like they blend in with the map so on crows there yellow also all bear traps start the match open instead of close and they can auto spawn at loops

[@SanityIsPointless]

Trapper is exactly what he was set out to be, A killer meant to help new player learn the ropes before they move on

[@profitsmash672]

Exactly I hate when people want everything to be comp ready just don't play the killer

[@butecodesentina1766]

@@profitsmash672 there is a better way to do that, just make Wraith the "new player killer", he checks all Trappers marks while also being decent against a survivor who isn't in its first 3 hours of game, now they can change Trapper as much as they want

[@abysstraverser6974]

@@profitsmash672 Problem is I want to play trapper because he’s so cool but the devs refuse to give him anything. Also the community isn’t asking for trapper to become nurse, just that he’s playable in the current state of the game. Even if that wasn’t the case bhvr is clearly trying to make dbd more e-sports like with mmr and such.

[@fintiniganlucille5547]

@@profitsmash672 no one said comp ready we just want trapper to be decent

[@MrTinkotin]

he's actually terrible for beginners because getting his power to do anything at all hinges on experience with the game a new player won't have

[@oscar_itooo]

i think that if the traps from the trapper started open in tiles between the killer and the survivors starting positions, in strategic places (next to pallets/windows) and somewhat spread(no more than 1 trap per tile) would be ideal, this keeps the inmersion, you will need to roam if you want your traps and your own setup, but you will have somewhat of a setup you can play from the get go

[@DrakoWulf]

My personal favorite idea for buffing Trapper is giving him the ability to pick up traps from a limited distance via yanking a chain through the Fog. Despite that this is far from simple from a dev perspective, it's simple from a player perspective. In the mean time, I think having traps spawn closer to objectives and generally closer to the center of the map would be a good change no matter what.

[@notyourbaby4978]

This might be a good idea, but it might be too complex for new players since trapper is intended to be simple and beginner friendly.

[@DrakoWulf]

@@notyourbaby4978 How? You look at your trap, press the button prompted on screen, and now it's in your inventory.

[@robertnomok9750]

@@notyourbaby4978 Is this a joke? Trapper is one of the HARDEST killers. You need perfect map knowledge and perfect knowledge of broken spagetti code to properly play trapper. Most other killers are press m2 than press m1 the game.

[@123darkelf]

Welp lets hope the current PTB buffs get him a bit going in the right direction.

[@gort5516]

I dont think trapper is a beginner friendly killer at all. He requires at least basic tile and map knowledge to get value from his power. How are new players supposed to know where to place traps if they've never seen a jungle gym before?

[@PlagueOfGripes]

Because his power is potentially killing you without even being aware you exist. He's also not a huge threat but also not fun to play against. If you turned his existing power up to 11, he'd not only be insanely oppressive but also not fun to play against whatsoever. Nurse wouldn't be a good flagship killer. Bad example of your core experience. Nor would Ultra Trapper. If you wanted to buff him, you'd need to change his power in some fundamental way. The people who just want to give him all his traps or make them auto deploy are the kind of people who don't care how miserable that may or may not make the game for a solo queue player. There are a lot of ways to improve his power but no one wants to discuss more reasonable ways to do it that BHVR may actually try.

[@LEWIS1992]

Trapper shouldn't be buffed. Other killers should be nerfed to his level. 60% win rate is too damn high.

[@6godDQ]

I use Devour of hope No way out Noed Jolt The add on where u start with all traps in your hand and the one that makes trap darker and I get 4k almost game. I strategically place traps and apply pressure as much as possible. I get gen rushed but I make up for it

[@PaganiPL]

He has the lowest killrate, because lorewise he’s good inside and the Entity had to force him into killing by hurting him. He kills the least, because he doesn’t want to kill. It’s canon. It’s in the lore.

[@mdoggie1186]

With the issues of procuring/camping, I heard the devs were talking about a built in deliverance if the killer is near you whilst hooked, like a meter that charges up over time. And if other survivors come close, the meter gets paused.

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

"Working smart takes too much time, and the time wasted thinking costs as money. So let's just say that No Mither was international or that we are satisfied with Trapper".

[@brummgurke605]

for the counterplay part of the video, disarmed traps get consumed by the entity and return to the trappers inventory (even when full) when someone gets trappend is freed, they recieve hinderd and deep wound when freeing themself but it is true that trapper balancing is truly a huge headache from the other different perspectives

[@highlycalm]

Thank you for adressing the issue's core, the power design. Simple number tweaks aren't as easy as they seem.

[@TheEdwardvansloan]

I have fun playing as and against trapper at my mmr. I would be excited for any small changes he would get but I am also content with the state his in now.

[@Khoobus]

Buff idea make it so that when survivor escape from his trap they will get slower and their blood will be released even more and pain grunts are higher. These affects are permanent and to remove these effects survivors must heal 2 health states: 1 for removing negative effects 2 for getting back the health state and his traps does not effect trapper also the 1st negative effect can be removed fast just like mending

[@andrewbalcony3262]

I believe the whole argument against Merciless Storm-type skillchecks is invalid. See, there's no experience or level "barrier" to unlock different characters, althouth there's a paywall for the licensed ones. That's the main reason it's so hard to get a grip of DBD as a beginner in the first place. And MMR does not correlate with your rank (the visible emblem), neither does it with the amount of characters you have. So it's completely possible that someone who's just bought the base, bare-bones game, will get matched up againt someone who's also JUST bought the game, but decided to dump a couple hundred bucks into it to get the nicest perks right from the jump. You know, maybe they watched a cool build video and wanted to try that. So they can still get hit with a Merciless Storm, or even something as specific as, say, Third Seal or Blood Favor. Also, the increased skill check difficulty is not a tough mechanic to understand, given the conditions would be very transparent. In general, I don't think that'd be the best solution for Trapper, but just wanted to point that out. Peace.

[@Barlakopofai]

One thing that's very silly about the whole design argument is that *trapper already has everything he needs to be a good killer in his addons.* You can just give him iri stone, makeshift wrap, fastening tool, tar bottle and trapper bag basekit. And he's suddenly a fine character. He has anti-loop, he has a decent number of traps. And you can *still* just walk around his traps. And you can *still* just disarm his traps. He just isn't powerless to one dipshit following him around anymore. And the best part is that his addons don't really need a rework. Iri stone now reduces the cooldown of the trap resets, makeshift wrap just makes you not set off the trap at all when you walk over it, fastening tool goes even faster, tar bottle is still useless and can just be removed from the game, and trapper bag just gives you 4 traps now. Also since maps are static now, you could just ask Otzdarva to place his traps where he'd want them to be, and then the traps spawn there. That's even better for beginners, because those starting trap placements would actually teach them where to trap.

[@aubrey7303]

The thing with trapper's weaknesses is the same if we compare dbd with any other game that has a hero aspect like overwatch/paladins/brawl stars. Yes these games are shooters but the point is there are old heroes like let's say Mercy from overwatch (from 2016) and compare her with a hero from 2023 overwatch 2 hero Kiriko. Poor old Mercy has literally nothing to protect herself while Kiriko can just oneshot someone being a healer. Of course devs can't just delete all of their weak old heroes, they are part of the game's history so we just need to deal with it

[@MrBagel-dq1vc]

HEAR ME OUT WITH THIS ONE: they should make it so his power is like singularities for example where you start with like 8 traps and when he places the 9th trap the oldest trap will like close and despawn or something like that. this would make it so its not a hassel to go around the map to get his traps. its also simple with newer players and it wouldnt be to op cuz he loses a tap when he places an extra one it would also give him a much needed buff and the number of traps dosent need to be 8 it could be 5 or 3 or whatever behavior likes they could also make his addons give him more max traps tell me if im wrong but this sounds good to me

[@darkmush6840]

I mean its simple Injured survivor fall in trap = dying injured survivor disarms trap = deep wound Healy survivors disarms = hindered for 8 secs traps re arm by themselves after 30 secs of being disarmed traps start armed traps start near generators increase traps in the map by one while in chase traps that are placed by the trapper are 20% faster traps have set escaping time trapper has to roam to get his traps, has pressure early game due to armed traps, survivors get punished by disarming traps, saves trapper the time to re-arm traps, gives him some kind of chase pressure and is still countered by survivors looking down. Gives injured survivors a way to disarm trap, while still having a negative.

[@okmultilaughs8376]

Trapper buff. When survivors disarm a trap they have a 25% chance to get traped by it (add ons for trapper raise this percentage) (Luck addons for survivors lower this percentage) Survivors that get traped and free themselves get the hinderd and mangeld status efect untill they are heald or within 40ft of the trapper. Trapper gains a small haist buff after placing a trap when not in chase. Traps reset themselves after a generator is completed. I think this is a small buff but one that is sizable enough to be fair.

[@justaguy2182]

Status effects, mainly hemorrhage, deep wound or hindered, should be base kit for Trapper. It’s a simple change, but it would make traps a lot more devastating to walk into.

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

Classic Bhvr Making the worst possible decisions!! But its ok im rooting for them. Every decision they make gets us closer to DBD dying and something else taking its place. So we have a new game and new dev team to look forward to eventually

[@jorlok_zander]

I disagree with the notion that Trapper has to be simple cause he's free and/or in the tutorial. Nurse is free, she is technically a beginner character too, as she's not perk-dependant and free at the same tame, so anyone can pick her up. Yet she's one of the most mechanically difficult characters. A character doesn't have to suck to be a tutorial character. Ashe in League doesn't suck and never did. If that's the only reason not to buff him they could as well just put the Wraith as a tutorial character, as he is both simple and moderately strong compared to Trapper.

[@tsm_sleek2065]

One fix should BVHR do is just to spawn all of the traps already set in the trial but in RNG they won't be in same place u might get lucky and u might have traps spawn set in shit areas- Also they should add a fear buff bar or a injury buff bar where he gains more speed everytime a survivor gets trapped by a bear trap and that bar stays until the survivor disarms a trap-

[@maysen51]

The excuse u use as him being simple for beginners is rather debunk-able my first time playing dbd i never used him i used doctor as doctor was far more stable to understand and use. Billy is even simple and easy to use making trapper’s power cheap for simplicity is not an excuse they can buff him new players are not so dense to not read his ability most of my games starting as survivor the most frequent killer used from beginners was doctor hag or billy.

[@ninpo-2103]

Easy fix: 1) trapper has all traps on his back from the start 2) trapper is a dark magician who simply summon his traps with snap of a finger. snap, snap, snap, three traps set within a second. Moving on.

[@Btobebone]

quick ideas that keep the simple aspect of the trapper while making him a lot better vs skilled survivors. 1. all traps that start on the ground start set. they may not be in good locations but a rando set trap is better than nothing, and if it needs to be disarmed early, it give the trapper some knowledge. 2. increase the time it takes to disarm the trap, it takes a trapper base 2.5 seconds to set a trap and a survivor only 3.5 seconds to disarm it, the one killer's time is much more valuable than just one of the survivor, the disarm speed should at least be 5, maybe 6 seconds, possibly with the sound notification on disarm playing halfway through. This would make it much harder for the survivors who like to follow around the trapper and disarm his traps 3. remove the trap carry limit. He can still start with 2 and the other 6 are scattered around, but can be all picked up. maybe if he is carrying 4 or more, he slows to 110% speed as an edit: I don't believe the trapper would need all of these as I listed at once. maybe some combination of them or lesser versions (carry up to 4 traps but only start with 2 or a 4 second disarm time) my thought was changes that would require as little work to implement as possible from bhvr and to keep the play and counterplay largely unchanged.

[@sirdogith3783]

The issue with Trapper carrying more than 2 traps is that it can become impossible to win a chase against him. Even the most powerful killers have strategies against them, but a loop with 3+ traps stopping you from leaving? Not so

[@Btobebone]

killers are supposed to win chases though. if a trapper wants to commit to gathering (remember, with my proposed buff, he does not start with all the traps, just his normal 2) and carrying half his traps with him and then taking the time to set 3 plus traps around a single chase, he's committed a fair bit of time to the chase before its even started. and there are lots of maps with loops that connect to each other that are a possible escape while he starts setting up. that's also why I figured he could drop to 110 speed when carrying too many traps, so if a fully loaded trapper comes after you, it would be easier to loop him untill he sets some, which is another time investment. there is also a green adding that let's the trapper carry 3 traps in the game currently that doesn't seem to be demolishing balance.

[@tristianisgaming9302]

What about just giving the trapper a slight speed boost depending on the amount of traps they have equipped? Like with no traps they have a 5% haste or a 2.5%with just one, that helps with him being a m1 killer and allows it to stay simple not to mention helps with getting those outlandish traps in the corner of the map

[@lukefitton7329]

That’d be sick

[@creepyverse2407]

I'm sorry but him being a beginner friendly character is a lame ass excuse for me. There are plently of begginner friendly characters in games that are decent. You can make a character beginner family without making them overly complex

[@TheSpectralFX]

I wish they buffed Trapper, Bubba, Oni, Doctor and all the other M1 that freaking sucks balls right now.

[@quinnmaster504]

i got a plan: >Go to event with BHVR devs >Force them to play as trapper vs a survivor comp >Trapper buffs a week later

[@TheKnightmares]

If he had faster base movement speed, deep wound on injured survivors, and a struggle meter button mash style to get out of bear traps he could have lots of potential. These are all pretty doable as well or at least give him the faster movement speed since he is essentially a M1 killer Edit: A good idea can be to have faster movement speed and then as you pick up bear traps you get encumbered and slower

[@michaelcollazo7911]

They just waiting for jason to come to the game so they can remove. They should let trapper have better traps or give him nail bombs that slowly injure and kill survivors.

[@lesbianturnips9755]

Before I bought Nemesis as my first extra killer apart from the 8 free killers, I mained Trapper and suffered for about 2 years.

[@kutoro4497]

Hear me out, bigger trap hitbox, 3 traps instead of 2, and the ability to know when someone starts touching your trap outside of your fov and terror radius.

[@sepronlayden5189]

I think he should just have more then bear traps. Man is called Trapper and was pretty smart as if I recall correctly he was hunting bears and lots of animals but he also built all his traps. What's stopping him from building new traps that would be smarter to use on humans?

[@CreditR01]

9:14 - You're right on the nose there. I have a special appreciation for Trapper. I use his perks quite often, almost in his honor. It makes me so sad that all he's gotten for years was a small buff and audio additions. There's a lot of potential ideas they could try to make him better, but nah, they're too busy doing stupid shit like trying to buff Pyramid Head's power into even more of a broken piece of crap; instead of changing their add-ons. Trapper is their mascot, he has one of the highest body counts in the lore of all the Killers in the game. He has a fascinating story. If playing him wasn't so unbearably miserable, I'd play him so much more. IDK what BHVR is smoking but he's not "balanced" or "alright." The only viable way to play him is with certain builds (unbreakable Face the Darkness totem build, -cough-) on certain maps, and even then you still have to sweat your ass off.

[@soundrogue4472]

18:07 ok what about adding perks that increase the number of bear traps to spawn on a map? I think that'd be fair; it takes up a perk slot and you get more choices to choose from about the map. There are a number and I mean a number of ideas you could do here.

[@grafskyper1004]

It seems to me that we need to improve its addons and basic ability, it doesn't need a rework

[@theemeraldqueen9728]

It's a bear trap, you should have the hindered and deep wound effect when you get trapped for 30 seconds after. Also i could have sworn you were able to crawl with a bear trap on your leg once upon a time, maybe make that a thing.

[@ltelectric1516]

I think he should have 8 to 10 traps but he can pick them up from lockers like the huntress and if the trap gets broken with a toolbox its gone for ever but if it gets sabotage it just need to be reset

[@rtristan8572]

The stats saying he doing good so you are just wrong. Anyways, time to nerf MoM, it is overperforming.

[@yaroslavyevsieiev5890]

We dont need a buff for Trapper. We need a rework "His biggest weakness is that he uses bear traps. Not human traps"

[@mrcringe8286]

Me just focusing on the p5 music in the background and not the video:😮‍💨

[@simmanz7422]

Honestly the way you are defending everything by repeating that any change will make it overpowered and anoying really feels unsatisfactory. You also could keep in mind that any change can be reverted, especially if it is small fixes and implies no new coding/graphics or very very few. Here are some realisable ideas : -Better trap spawn (no or very few edge of map) -Longer time to disarm -keep grass in mind for future maps in order not to repeat the mistake. -One more trap at the start (3) -Hurt survivor gets downed if caught in a trap. More experimental ideas : -Trap spawning armed -Improve grass in actual maps (more time intensive dev-wise)

[@simmanz7422]

About the speed upgrade, you could make it directional, if going towards a trapped survivor

[@finnyb0i1]

I will say that if we're talking about trappers sack becoming basekit, they could make traps inplacable near the hook, and if they are already there, they would snap. However, i agree that the 3 gen trapper would not be fun to play against

[@xanderlaskey2753]

3 gen’ing is only a problem if survivors let it happen it’s super easy to avoid

[@finnyb0i1]

@@xanderlaskey2753 I agree, but it would take a lot of coordination if the trapper just sets up there and stays there all game

[@sanad7754]

Samination will be sad if he see this video

[@YanAceyBoy]

I don't think he cares anymore.

[@nichlashansen2659]

An idea i had for the sabotage mechanic was to introduce supply cases that contained a sabotage tool, sorta like what we have with the singularity.

[@f687sNFM]

Honestly i feel that trappers traps should be armed at the start of the match

[@noobslaya0300]

Survivors with two brain cells beat trapper, you can't change my mind

[@Sonny173]

He should get all his traps at all times and be able to move them and 1 random trap should be a insta down and he should get baskit Noed or no way out

[@EntombedToast70]

I think that a single hard skill check when disarming would be good, for new players it wouldn't be impossible and for good players they probably wouldn't even have an issue, and if you fail a small animation plays where your hand gets snapped by the trap and you become injured if healthy, as for if your injured, I believe a simple Deepwounds would work fine, I used lengthen jaws for quite some time and it never felt unfair, it provided me with a tiny bit of game slow down and made the traps dangerous for survivors even if they weren't near me, giving some much needed value, also adding the mangled effect to survivors should be added as well, this wouldn't break the game but would actually punish survivors for stepping in your traps regardless of health, and mix this with the skill check and player mistakes are punished giving trapper an actual usefull power while not breaking the game

[@EntombedToast70]

Also, I disagree with the whole a killer should be just as fun to play against as playing as them, survivors should feel pressured by any killer, they shouldn't feel safe tagging a person literally trying to kill them, it should be genuinely tense for survivors

[@aajlespl7410]

I guess giving him small speed boost, when without traps in equipment would be enough

[@Bill_Axol]

Just make trapper ignore bear trap's, easy solution and easy to understand for newbies

[@tokenperson2030]

new players are not 8 year olds. They can understand simple powers like trapper gets a speed boost or how to do multiple skill checks in a row. this video was frustrating cause over and over again you say "new players would not understand" ,yes they would, it's not complicated.

[@MintSkull]

They actually wouldn’t, I was a new player and there were so many mechanics I had 0 idea about. For example, a lot of my friends I used to play with ended up dying because of the mending mechanic simply because it’s not explained anywhere. A new player will just select flashy character and load in a match, they won’t be watching Otzdarva before they play. If they do, they are not the target demographic I am talking about in this video, because they are already invested enough in the game that they found out the content creator N1. There is a reason Merciless Storm is a noob stomper, and that’s because no new player expects that mechanic since it’s not explained anywhere.

[@sillybillyrealnotfake]

Take a shot every time he says a buff would be too complicated for new players

[@Starrfortythree]

The way I would start off tweaking trapper is making all traps set after a down, ability to recall one trap from any distance with a cooldown. Later on possibly allow trapper to place a trap midchase without having to stop moving (if it’s too strong then make it so full health survivors can’t be grabbed from that specific trap but will go down if injured).

[@mtnoob1271]

This might be stupid but what if they made the maps have some fog for trapper. Like the offerings but a basekit mechanic whenever you choose trapper. This way it fixes some issues with maps and adds a more horror effect to him for new players