The MOST TOXIC Metas in DBD History

[@MintSkull]

What is, in your opinion, the WORST Meta the game has ever had?

[@SLZABBJNGO]

All of them I hate this game

[@MintSkull]

@@SLZABBJNGO Average 2023 DBD Player 😂

[@weskintime4177]

All of them sucked from Day 1 lmao. Mind you I got off between 2018 and 2021 so have not much experience there, but every time aside from that was just bad. Edit: Nevermind, I forgot when Ghost Face released because that’s when I got off. Then from December 2022 - March 2023. Doesn’t change the fact all the METAs were horrible and should have never existed in the first place.

[@Uubbfippk]

Being held hostage until the servers closed is 100% not okay, id say the gen kick meta is the worst ever.

[@MintSkull]

@@Uubbfippk Back in the days there were hostage situations like with Sabo Squads or Hatch standoffs, but I have never seen a situation like with the gen kick meta because of how easy it was to just hold the match hostage for hours. You didn’t need any SWF coordination as a killer, and even competent teams lose against killers with that build before the nerf. It’s one of the most brain dead metas we have ever had, because at least all of the ones from the past made the match end fast and not take 40 minutes like a League game

[@SharkiWeasel]

Hearing Mint talking about not enjoying the game anymore and only getting gameplay for videos is pretty upsetting, I'm really hoping something great comes out soon to change things up

[@Ramxenoc]

Personally I think this game is done for soon. Last Year has come back and people seem to be actually enjoying it, and VHS is still working on their foundation before trying to advertise and release to console. I think if either of them takes off dbd is done because they're both leagues better if you ask me and they're free

[@mikehunt8708]

@@RamxenocI feel like the game will almost always be around. The problem with the game is that it’s basically a temporary game. It’s boring to get on every day for a week and play for hours like in other games where it’s fun to do that. It’s a temporary game that you play if your waiting for the homies to get on another game. You will hate the game if you play it too much because it’s repetitive and can be very boring

[@Ramxenoc]

@@mikehunt8708 i have like 3K hours on this shit 💀 I loved it at one point but the survivor role just becomes less fun the more they nerf perks I like and the killer role never gets any less frustrating because you have to run gen slow perks all the time and it gets stale as fuck fast. Winning as killer is like 50/50 it felt good to win or it was a nightmare even though I won

[@Ramxenoc]

@@mikehunt8708 VHS is dead now so all we got is Last Year hopefully people play but big doubt.. if they get the console release with cross play it'll probably be fine though

[@TeemoQuinton]

@Ramxenoc man I wish VHS had more competent devs. Shit looks good but its not good enough

[@Predated2]

One meta that people tend to forget a lot is the old Dying Light meta. All you needed was to hook the obsession once, mori them and EVERYONE that remained alive was slowed down by 75%. Just some quick maths, that means a solo gen back then would take 5 minutes. You would require 3 people, 3 Leader perks and 3 Prove Thyself perks to combat the difference. If the killer brought an iri mori, you would basically lose the game.

[@bubbajoe117]

People also need to be thankful everyone bought into the classic freddy being trash tier meme, if they'd had the sense to stack the right perks to synergize with his power, those being Thana, Remember Me, Sloppy, and Dying Light, everyone would still be stuck in his nightmare trying to get out.

[@user-vh2ye5iy1b]

@@bubbajoe117I miss old freddy

[@bodacious-hamster]

"i miss the old dbd" every survivor main

[@MintSkull]

They miss nostalgia, because if we transfer any of the metas on this video to the present, combined with the whining state of the community, Twitter and Reddit would explode!

[@Skarfar90]

Not just for survivor mains, but for the average casual player too. The game felt more like a horror game, and not an action game

[@nicememes7570]

​@@MintSkull they community was always whiney, it's just the devs listen more these days, and these days most of the whining is being done by survivors who were spoiled by old DBD

[@spotty4849]

Old DBD was really bad imo

[@bodacious-hamster]

@@spotty4849 very true

[@forsaille4655]

That wretched shop clip made my skin crawl. Can't believe some people actually played on those maps

[@MintSkull]

That was the most well known clip about infinites, but they were significantly worse. Ironworks of misery was miserable because there was no broken wall next to the window, The meat tree had two windows instead of one pallet and one window, various loops had their windows open and also had 2 pallets, it was crazy back then and just proof of how better the average player is compared to 2016. Only survivor mains want to go back.

[@D0qy]

@@MintSkullyeah survivor mains want to go back because it was fun abusing the infinites that’s pretty obvious, myself I have just started a year ago and hearing all this stuff that survivor had as a survivor main myself just seems so fun but I missed out on it..

[@D0qy]

@@MintSkullI’ll be honest I was only 7 when the game came out so yeah haha couldn’t really play the game back then when infinites were a thing.. wasn’t allowed too

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

Put your skin on a leash so it doesn’t crawl too far away

[@72617]

​@@MintSkull shack had 2 windows

[@cryze5948]

4:21 Bro unlocked the ability to see into the future Amazing video as always ❤

[@notdeity809]

💀💀💀2027 i didnt see that the first time

[@Averagedbdgamer]

​@@notdeity809blud can see sounds

[@fallenguardian3538]

Ah yes, 2027, my favorite year!

[@caoticspazim3611]

I felt a groan come up from my chest when dribbling was brought up. What a time to be a killer main lmao

[@objectreality2889]

I still remember dribbling, bad times

[@LuxValkyrie]

I’m SO glad you mentioned how the community has become so toxic as a reason why the game isn’t so fun anymore. I’ve been arguing it for a while but it sense players just don’t want to take any accountability for helping drive this game and its community into the ground. Yes, BHVR has not made good choices lately with changes and killer powers encouraging unfun gameplay, but even if they fix that, toxic players will still be toxic and that is one of the more glaring issues right now. It will only get better if the community accepts this and changes, well, their OWN behavior.

[@eagleskyfire317]

I agree with you. I personally prefer that ALL players in a trial have fun regardless of what team they're on. DBD is merely a glorified game of tag with a horror twist after all.

[@LuxValkyrie]

@@eagleskyfire317 Right! As a killer, I don’t want to completely steamroll a team and I don’t want them to give up! As a survivor, I don’t want to be handed wins, I want to work for them, but I’d also not like to be held hostage in a game for an hour just because the killer doesn’t want to risk losing and prefers to camp last gen instead of chasing me or my teammate who are both on death hook.

[@dietretard2636]

Our you could grow a fkn pair of balls? Its a video game. Go outside if words online hurt you that much.

[@bozzbozz2800]

You cringe

[@demspookz8732]

The community is why I wished for years for a killer vs bots game mode, but when we finally got it the bots can see you through walls, loop perfectly, gen rush lightning fast with zero perks or items and never make mistakes in chases which means playing against bots is somehow even less fun than real people in most cases

[@chaosboi6815]

I remember during forever freddy meta the devs released a kill rate graphic and freddy had something like a 70% kill even on red ranks

[@avrandlane2735]

that was when the game was fun and more challenging on survivors!. game name is dead by daylight, when if first came out and present it doesn't live up to its reputation. game is a bit to easy on survivors. which i find the game to be more zzzz and boring

[@kevin6742]

@@avrandlane2735honestly they should really nerf all survivor perks and remove flashlights so killers can completely steamroll survivors tbh

[@alexiarai955]

​@@kevin6742What if they got rid of perks all together

[@kevin6742]

@@alexiarai955 honestly that’s a better idea IMP

[@B1g_B0sssss]

​@@kevin6742lmao hopefuly ur just kidding

[@scurbbb]

As someone who has only been playing since Sadakos release, it was so interesting seeing all the old stuff the 'machinegun meta' was hilarious. thank you for this video!!!

[@lazypayday4476]

It was the wild west back then, Hillbilly was the second strongest killer in the game, insta-fucking everything. Honestly I'm one of the few who enjoys the balance of the current state of the game, but I can't say I don't miss the chaos.

[@Purrfect_Werecat]

Machingun huntress throwing those hatchets was a wild sight to behold

[@bschneidez]

​@@lazypayday4476- Back when I got into the game, a few years ago, I watched all the videos on old hillbilly and tried to main him lol. I was so disappointed when I realized how much harder it was than it was in the og videos. I'd love to play stronger hillbilly for a few games, looks so satisfying. Like playing bubba when the survivors are stupid, but even if the survivors aren't stupid and with much more mobility

[@adrianriveralopez3991]

I agree with you I've played for so long I hate how new players complain about everything like if they only knew how bad the game actually used to be compared to now@@lazypayday4476

[@schmuckmcgee7294]

I qualify for that Veteran’s Discount. That took me back. Also, I can tell you from experience that if you were really unlucky, you’d actually have to break five towns instead of four to get rid of Ruin back the day. Break Ruin three times, take out Undying, then finally destroy Ruin.

[@DerpyAf]

I have been in the DbD community since it's alpha days and seeing the Community become so incredibly Toxic and Entitled over the years is soul crushing. And regarding what Meta I had the least fun playing against I would have to agree that some of the more Recent Meta's have been the worst for me. Back in 2016 I went up against Countless Sabo squads but I was still able to have fun, maybe it was because the game was in it's early stages and I wasn't playing it too seriously. But maybe the more recent ones were the worst for me because I just grew somewhat tired of the game.

[@ariisan5773]

i think i have a theory about that: back in 2016 we had the old ranking system where we just needed an amount of BP to up-/derank and it wasnt that hard either. Ppl got more competetive when D strike / dead hard released bc it gave them more chances against killers (tunnelers, normal killers , etc) but like with every other game the wrong ppl abused it too much and relied on it. Most killer punished the toxic ones first, got angry at every surv then bc u had to assume everyone had one of these perks. In the beginng many ppl played both sides too but it reduced over the years while new players always came in. So there was an understanding for some time for surv and killer. BHVR just screwed up catering to the competitive players. Remember when they said they wanted it to be a horror game without many juking? yeah, the devs havent had a plan for their game and let the ppl decide after a while and thats what made the community THIS toxic. Just because they can.

[@DerpyAf]

@@ariisan5773 I also think the community became more and more toxic over time because of some DbD youtubers at the time, mainly No0b3 and Ochido who encouraged toxic behaviour, and since a big chunk of the community was made up of younger people they adopted this mentality Toxic=Cool

[@ariisan5773]

@@DerpyAf Maybe its not cool - more they thought being toxic = being good in the game. Yeah mainly more other older dbd youtubers like 72hrs and ye ochido. I think u can count monto, puppers, etc in that too bc ppl dont like watching gen repair simulator. Even tho the uncut version of dbd showing ur fails and all is in my opinion better. Like im a good surv but i had often times where my brain didnt brain and i walked like i played 2 minutes. Everyone got their moments and can film it + show how good they are while forgetting that teamwork should be their no.1 priority. instead everyone made their niche groups of "i hate killers! nerf them!" "ihate survs nerf them!" and "im a killer/survivor main but my group does some weird things..". i pretty much miss the old dbd vibe.

[@rtristan8572]

7:11 The nostalgia... That's how I learnt that you can only drop the survivor fours times before the wiggle off.

[@Zennethe]

it used to be more. lol they nerfed that.

[@GDsergio]

yeah it was like 6 or 7 before, then they nerfed dribbling

[@Icole-cv4px]

6:34 She got a free escape card and t-bagged him at the exit gates, and some people still believe that the community of old dbd was more chill 😭

[@Johnatron]

Above all, I hate the Eruption meta the most

[@MintSkull]

Same

[@djkenway4871]

@@MintSkull honestly yes

[@FlexPaste]

forever freddy was just a prototype for eruption/gen kick meta, because that meant it was now possible on every killers and not exclusively to freddy 😂

[@CursedPersonz]

It was worse than other metas because it was every game. If you had to a bad game you could just get the next one but players would ignore you right in front of them to kick the gen. Then after dragging it out a mistake would make it so you couldn't do anything for another 30 seconds. Just absolute misery with killers that could have multiple pairs of eyes on gens.

[@Andrey3oo7]

the final chapter of the video says it all. You are truly amazing @MintSkull ! Truly heartbreaking that an OG player like you, beeing here since the Fog first appeared, is not having fun anymore... Looking forward for more content from you!

[@BigMan-hd7gy]

4:19 "April 27th, 2027"

[@MintSkull]

My bad 💀

[@Sgt.Simmoisabigdumbpoopoohead]

NOOOO9 THE GAYME IS DEAD FOR 6859599TH TIME THE DEVS SUK DIKKK BRUH HOE COD THEI MAYK THE METTAWORSE INDA FOOTURE1!!1!1??????

[@Sgt.Simmoisabigdumbpoopoohead]

THES IS TOTALY NOT ME BEEIN BURNT OUT I AM ALWAYS RIGHT ITS EVRYBODY ELSEZ FALT

[@jnet124]

Watching you Decisively juggle that megan fucking gave me PTSD something fierce, Just being juggled to every hook regardless of having DS or not, breaking out sometimes only to have the killer DC and realize i didnt have it in the first place, what a hell of a time for DBD.

[@Slimerror]

Bhvr just needs to step back from releasing killers and take community feedback (especially from high skill players that play both killer and survivor) to refine the base games mechanics. After that they need to release a killer to renew interest then again take a look at under and overperforming perks and rework them (as well as make a few base kit for all survivors/killers) then release another killer or two to renew interest and then work on existing killers and overhaul them. This could obviously take years to accomplish, but the game would become a refined classic.

[@rkopyc2408]

The worst meta was the 6 health state meta. DS + DH + BT + UB on all 4 survivors, with occasionally one person swapping BT or UB for OOO in SWFs.

[@irgendwer3610]

Bt was an absolute necessity even if you weren't sweating since 98% of killers would tunnel you right out of hook, specially if your stupid team kept unhooking you near the killer

[@Zakon673]

This game's community has been insufferable ever since the Skull Merchant dropped. Just endless negativity. I don't like the Skull Merchant, either, but the effect she's had on the community has been worse than anything about her herself.

[@Camophlo]

My will to play Dbd is so down cause The Knight and SM made the game so long and unenjoyable cause I mostly play in Solo que so people aren’t able to reliably break the 3 gens at all

[@thatcatguy7025]

That’s cool but did you know that with Gecio you can save 15% or more on car insurance

[@MintSkull]

Nice Cat 🐈‍⬛

[@thatcatguy7025]

@@MintSkull thank you

[@QuarianGuy]

Survivors have to do the rush gen builds or they lose. Killers have to tunnel and get slow down perks or they lose. I dropped DBD because of this. META is never fun but when META is necessary to win a game, that game is over for me.

[@PaxFTW_YTP]

First four seconds of the video is a perfectly cut swing before the survivor gets hit. Best intro ever!

[@MiloTheStoic]

I'm a killer main and have always been,and once the game changed from "horror" to "loop the weird looking guy until all the gens are done" was when I had to start proxying hooks and gens.I miss the days of seeing people crouch walk across the map or hide in fear because it was their first time playing😔

[@muysli.y1855]

Yea back then we scream if we see a Killer

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

It sometimes feels like the survivors are finishing your generators and you have a weapon to defend yourself and them. Sadly doesn’t feel like the killers are hunting the,.I hope something comes to change that.

[@f3bq163]

@@StopWhiningManguideCultists games pretty much balanced right now. Learn how to play killer better. They won't nerf survivors more because solo is suffering as hell right now and adding another nerf is gonna kill the game entirely

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

@@f3bq163 yeah I know, it mostly applies to SWKs and Billie squads. I have no problems with solo or just friends playing together. But when they use that to make it very hard for killer that’s when this pops in.

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

And I never said I was bad at killer, it’s just I love playing character like not nurse or blight. So they know that it’s not impossible to win. :/@@f3bq163

[@NecroDeMortem]

Man, watching your videos always makes me want to play Battle Revolution again. The music is still fantastic and I wish they would make a remake of it.

[@ejox621]

You deserved a sub for the meta talk in the end, I barely play the game for fun anymore. I might play one or two matches a day at most in the hopes of having a good time because I'm still addicted, only to be reminded why I do not typically play the game anymore as I used to.

[@reignfire85]

As frustrating as a game can become to play at times, the worst is when the community is actively targeting each other and the developers. I get mad, I yell at the screen and smack my desk, but I'm not going to attack and harass someone over it.

[@cuecafreada4020]

@@Sekavuus they are not tired, they are not suffering. they are enjoying the money and just don't know their own game, that's why this game hasn't its core gameplay changed too much.

[@th0b4s39]

Hey i recognise that theme anywhere. Thats the crystal colosseum theme from pokemon battle revolution. U sir are a man of culture

[@crazypuppet919]

I say it everywhere where gen kick meta is mentioned, so i'm going to do it here too. I find it both funny and sad, how this meta was created and how it was nerfed. 1) BHWR buffed numbers for eruption. It became meta. Logical solution: reverse number buffs. BHWR solution: reworck the perk and remove the only reason why it was used in the first place. In conclusion it's not mediocre like before 6.1.0 but completely useless now 2) with CoB BHWR created mini-ruin that was easily counterd by tapping a gen. In 6.1.0 they decided to make THE EXACT SAME PERK WITH EXACT SAME NUMBERS and created Overcharge. OF COURSE PEOPLE WOULD STACK IT TOGETHER. Logical solution: keep CoB untuched cause it was mediocre by itself, and completely rework overcharge so it would have entirely new effect. BHWR solution: keep this two perks basically identical but throw numbers into trash and make both of this perks completely useless. They only needet to undo 6.1.0 changes, and rework OC again, but they decided to kill all three perks,and pain res as a bonus. And god bless us if the next meta shakeup will be soon and this perks would be remembered by this time... I'm not saying that gen kick meta was great. But the way BHWR are solving game problems are SO upseting

[@ElOjobelloOffficial]

I agree with you and I just want to add; thesame thing can be said for the survivor side. I’ve noticed how the devs always nerf perks too much to then buff or add a new that’s too overpowered.

[@SizzlordTheExiled]

I remember playing when Ashley Williams first came out, if i saw one in the match i literally wouldn't hit them unless absolutely necessary and would save them for last. But then of course they became like an annoying fly that would follow you around everywhere.

[@judubbing9615]

You have so much taste when it comes to music added to your video omg great video as always!

[@primrose6794]

What you said at the end is how I feel. I just started playing recently and I've had 4 games in a row with tunneling Wraiths who were being toxic as all hell, camping hooks and body blocking when we tried to save our ally. To make it worse, I don't have any other perks unlocked except for Feng so that means I can't go and get any perks to counter that right now. Skull merchant is even more toxic, doing the same thing as Wraith, but to a degree where they sit there and watch you bleed out and camp your body.

[@ScorchedFYI]

Made for This + Hope + Power of Two is getting up there...

[@Icole-cv4px]

Did you see as Knight how survivors with these perks can just run away from your Guards? So much fun 💀

[@michellerahe4853]

I didn't like the old meta just because I felt like I was stuck on the killer and survivor side using the same 4 to 8 perks because it felt like I needed it. Less perks to have pressure

[@hyperN1337]

As someone who has played since the beta, let me add on a few more points for you: -Generators used to not be able to be kicked, so every light touch a survivor did was permanent, which just made infinites worse. -Trapper actually used to be so meta not only for being able to trap infinites, but if you put a trap under a hooked survivor's feet, and a survivor tried to rescue and got interrupted by trap, the hooked survivor would immediately lose a health state -Old Iron Grasp would increase wiggle requirements by 75%. During sabo meta, running it with agitation let a killer pick you up from *anywhere* and basement you.

[@SynthXV]

The game is actually pretty fun on both sides now since the gen meta got nerfed Just something I've noticed

[@InfamousHorse]

We also had Forever Legion when the perk reworks happened in July before BHVR nerfed Thana to avoid it being more than 1 update cycle.

[@zoopdoop_games]

Personally I have very much enjoyed the game on this patch. I think it was rough at first but this patch feels like a "nothing is free" mood. You earn and fight for every inch you get. Granted I don't play solo survivor a ton anymore but I really like where the game is rn

[@cuecafreada4020]

"I don't play solo survivor", ooh, now I understand

[@irgendwer3610]

@@cuecafreada4020 yep... never has solo q been this miserable

[@TheOnlyPowl]

Your final words are so true, I wouldn't have thought that it would be possible to sum it all up this well. Very good video ❤

[@andrexsaberz9851]

4:13 ah yes, 1.5.0 the patch released in 2027🤯

[@frostydan7697]

And if you had hex undying back then with haunted grounds you could have up to 4 haunted grounds which I have experienced before it’s not nice when your teammates continue to cleanse the haunted grounds all game

[@AceAviations2]

Surprised that insta-blind wasn't here, don't play DbD myself, but saw a video by a different KZbinr (Ardetha) who did a video on that. That looked like bullshit to deal with. Honestly these analysis videos interest me more than the game itself, given how toxic and unfun some of these metas looked, I'm kind of glad.

[@loldorito]

When recommendations are faster than notifications

[@MintSkull]

Yeah I can already tell notifications will not be working on this video 😅 No idea what it is that decides which video will get notified, and which one won’t!

[@Rodorigo23]

Man old dbd was so wild. I remember when there was no bloodlust, BT gave endurance to RESCUER, exhaustion status effect didn't exist, NOED wasn't a hex and instead was permanent and mori had NO hook requirements. Also back in the day killers could literally stand infront of hook and survivors couldn't rescue (true face camp, they later changed it so you could rescue from different angles). Doctor also had 2 stances so you could camp on shock stance, spam M1 and as soon the surv tried to rescue they would get grabbed, you couldn't even bait x D

[@rtristan8572]

Thank god back then I was a complete nooby and I was paired with people who abused those things. When I say I miss old DBD it's becouse I miss my personal experience of it. The experience of playing against OG Freddy a few weeks after realse, and therefore having no idea what to do and subsequently pannic, is something I think is unimaginable in todays DBD.

[@jello723]

The worst meta,in my opinion,is the current 3 gen meta right now. I hate having to go against a knight or skull merchant running these perks/builds,but at the same time,I understand why players run these perks. No gen defense=game done in 5 minutes,teabags at exit gate,and called trash player for not winning. Run these perks=games last over 30 minutes,player=terrine person, etc. I loved when the meta shake-up of last year took place. So much perk diversity came from it for a couple of weeks. Dbd felt like a new game,a fresh start to it.Then, we got what we have rn…

[@Joeyk354]

It’s so hard to have fun now for killer or survivor

[@SynthXV]

3 gen meta isn't a thing anymore A Skull merchant can try but without Brine, overcharge or eruption it doesn't work (those perks have been nerfed) I've tested it a few times with Merchant and Knight and lost everytime except for 1 match Game's feeling pretty solid again

[@lucasvallet4487]

Its been nerfed to hell tho what? Ehat perks are you talking about?

[@ZombieaidZ]

It’s because no matter how awful, unbalanced, or buggy this game is, nothing kills the fun more than the player base. It’s one of the reasons why I quit

[@Lorddraigo]

​@@SynthXVuntrue. The nerfed perks mean it's not possible on all killers, but it's still very easy to get a 3 gen locked down as SM and Knight. Especially on maps with bad gen spawns.

[@aqua-sama7298]

The entitlement meta... This hit extremely hard compared to all the other metas in the past. The DbD's community state feels like an avarage LOL lobby given how much unecessary hate is being spread over to the devs and other players that just try to play the game.

[@MrPuzzleCodes]

4:21 Omg 2027 feels so nostalgic to me

[@Deputy_Doofus]

4:14-4:23 Ok guys, we got 4 years until the Sabo Squads Riot

[@That1Gam3r]

i lost my enjoyment of DBD two years ago, i stopped finding both sides fun. it mostly came down to the toxic community and fucking lag. way to many examples of being hit without actually getting hit despite having great internet

[@DimCooL]

When it was released, the “decisive strike” perk had a bug in which, if you were picked up and immediately dropped by killer, you would lose the perk for the entire game.

[@SilversEC]

Can I just say @9:40 Meyers choosing go Tier 3 instead of grabbing that survivor slow vaulting the pallet is true dedication

[@William256]

Cheryl was healthy. Vaulting grabs only occur if that survivor is injured.

[@genericfakename4372]

Have to say, I was surprised somewhat when you mentioned Machine Gun Huntress. Whenever I think of 'Old Tinker abuse' I think of insta-chain billy-though in fariness, that's probably a lot less toxic than Machine Gun Huntress. However, I think an honorable mention has to go to the PTB-only 'Endurance meta' that involved stacking things like Dead hard, MoM, Off the Record, and the (then new) unhook endurance so make it so every survior took a lot of hits to down. Fortunately, they saw how horrific it was, and added 'Endurance doesn't stack' to the patch to kill it. And a similar mention needs to go for the 'save meta' that lasted for like two days, but was absolutely godawful to be a killer during. Basically, they made changes to how saves worked that removed all aspects of timing from it (if you dropped pallet or blinded at any point during pickup, would save them moment pickup was done). That actually was live, but thank god it was quickly reverted.

[@joh1997dude]

Man, you forgot how OOO used to work. It only revealed the killer's aura when you were not in the killer's terror radius and looking at him/her. So it didn't provide any use during chase (unless against Freddy). What it was used for is to help teammates with communication during chase about doubling back and such. You could do this from acros the map, which made it unbearably unfun.

[@tyler69]

The camping and tuneling meta still in effect

[@plaguedoctormorphious]

I’m reminded by a quote. “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”

[@XaqNautilus]

I miss the Undying Ruin meta the most. I loved having the choice to power through Ruin or usually I'd search for totems. Cleansing a hex totem was always permanent progress for survivors. The 3 gen meta was so frustrating because so often I felt robbed by the game. To get a gen to 90% just for Sadako to chase me off it and it be zero'd out before I got back to it. Now, I can't be bothered to play. There is too much holding M1 now. They need to add fun and exciting things back to the game for all the stuff they've nerfed over the years.

[@a_dude6911]

man i played through p5 Royal today again and hearin that music kinda gives me PTSD xD. Great vid as always and the Saboteur meta was really scummy imo

[@Keyourasa]

7:25 bro i came back to tthe game recently and started ds juggling out of habbit only to get to the end game screen with no ds's such a weird feeling

[@Notwedsquid]

All this brings back painful memories and fun memories playing the game since it’s released even owning legacy but sadly losing them cause dbd back then was just weird with people losing their accounts so living through all these metes the worst has to be the recent one of the 3 gen meta that was the most boring meta to exist every game was just 3 gen 40 minute matches it was just ridiculous I literally avoided ranking survivor for rank reset bp and only stayed on killer. But also on the ruin nerf I don’t think it was nerfed cause of tinker I think it was nerfed cause of the killers that come to exist nemesis in zombies pinhead with the box and chain hunt knight and his guards with ruin and skull merchant plus wesker going out to find a spray plus being insta down is just a lot of slow down I wouldn’t mind ruin coming back though.

[@braytonewell]

With the original Ruin, I kept trying to get it in the Shrine for a while as everyone used it, and then when I finally did get it (I forgot if I actually got it from the Shrine or Hag), they reworked it shortly afterwards. 😅

[@cg_fimbulvetr]

Even now, the 3 gen meta is still very useable. I consistently use Surge, Overcharge, Eruption and Call of Brine, usually on Blight or Dark Lord due to their movement and basic attacks carrying out in their powers

[@wizardracer]

9:29 what is the name of this song because IT'S FIRE 🔥🔥🔥

[@alansdude]

"released April 27, 2027" who knew mint could see into the future

[@mitchellmahurin3465]

I started during the 4th anniversary event. Its so strange seeing Blight start out as a confusing killer to play with to arguably the best killer in the game. Watching the community fine tune his optimization was quite impressive.

[@alejandromoralesurquieta9993]

I remember the 4ever Freddy meta, my words experience was in Campbell's chapel, we had 4 or 3 gens left and he kill everyone slowly, I'm the end it was me and my friend plus a claudette. We try our best to loop Freddy long enough to complete the gens, we almost made it, until he killed my friend and I was left with a claudette that did not repair at all and just use self-care against THE forever Freddy. It was painful to watch.

[@Cairsoir]

That ending hit hard, since the genkick meta shifted something in the community and nobody seems to be having as much fun. As the game has progressed it has developed into more competitive for some reason; I started bit before twins released so I haven't seen much of the old stuff but I do remember games being way chiller back in the days with the frustrating sweats being relatively far and between. Obviously I've gotten better myself and face better players as a result but still. Probably just much of community feeling burnout from bad meta surfacing some uglier things to light, or might be just projecting myself to larger audience. After all the people having fun aren't complaining on social media. As a side note I wish they gave one forever freddy addon back to the poor guy; I hated the forever friend freddy but the guy has such crap addons and is so weak, with current gen regression nerfs he should be thrown a bone.

[@Purrfect_Werecat]

I find myself enjoying the game less the harder I'm trying to "win" tbh when I just play to meme at survivors or try something silly and the team isn't a bully or gen rushing squad, I have the most fun.

[@bravosixgoing_gay8595]

Amen brother. I remember the days of old. I still hear the screams of salt in the echoes of my mind.

[@doompunk64]

I’m right there with you having played since 2016, and if we went back a year or two ago, I’d say Survivors were busted. Now, I think Killer in public matches has a much bigger advantage. I never thought I’d be able to say that, but it also kinda sucks too because I can’t play Survivor and have fun anymore, even playing in a casual SWF with friends is miserable. Great video as always!

[@Lunofi]

Yeah most of the newer killers aren’t any fun to play against. Like legit the last fun killer to be released was pyramid head.

[@garrettlauderbaugh312]

It’s not people’s fault for complaining about these things though. The fact is that bhvr takes too long to make changes that should be a priority. It took them six years to nerf dead hard. Six years! The only problem the community has is taking things too far, but for the most part what we’re saying is completely valid. Don’t hate the players, hate the game

[@Lunofi]

True

[@Lunofi]

I was fine with every meta all the way through 2018-2020 but then 2021 kinda was the start for me where I felt the game was getting stale and ended up taking a brake and playing a different game. 2022-2023 had the most awful metas tho. I would take any old dbd meta back rather than dealing with the current boring ones.

[@The_Nata]

3:15 imagine having hooks break forever nowadays and no other hooks nearby to hook the survivors on, that would be ridiculous. Oh wait no I don't have to imagine that, it's literally still in the game for killers doing their objectives of hooking survivors. I wish BHVR would get rid of permanent broken hooks completely. Just have them respawn after like 2 minutes if they really want to keep hooks broken for some time, even though I don't know why the killer should be punished for doing their objective. But yea worst meta imho was the infinite loop meta, I haven't played at that time but Garden of "Joy" has an somewhat comparable loop with the house. Yes it is not infinite loop but it's still stupidly annoying. But I did like the old Hex:Ruined pre 6.1.0 it was like other hex perks high risk and high reward. But nowadays it's only high risk and no? reward.

[@FlexPaste]

I'm actually surprised you didn't mention the old exhaustion mechanics + old balanced landing

[@Defnothere]

Old balanced landing wasn't really that toxic of a meta compared to the rest of this list, I remember even back when it was really strong that it was alot more fun to go up against balanced landing then it was dead hard because it still had counterplay

[@JosiesCloset]

Unpopular popular opinion: wiggling is completely useless unless you go down in a dead zone with boil over or you have flip flop, or the other situation of being with a swf

[@INeedHelp107]

it is pretty useless but it gives bp

[@VegaIllusion]

The thing is that killers benefit more from toxic play than survivors. Killers who camp, tunnel and/or slug aren’t being punished but rather rewarded in most cases. This makes the matches just boring and frustrating. When it comes to survivors, usually the survivor has to go out of their way to be toxic which doesn’t guarantee a win for the team in the same way as the killer. I do believe that killers, for the most part, have good perks that counter most problematic standard gameplay, mainly gen rushing and hiding/losing sight. However, some killers have ridiculously strong add-ons. For example, what is the point of Michael’s ability if he can be in perma stage 3? Or Waith if a bell is silent? Or Billy if the chainsaw is silent? How about Dredge with the full stack start with no downside to it? These add-ons are more annoying than fun to play against, and it often just makes it fun for the killer. Balanced counter play is necessary for fun, and killers should have more balanced add-ons. When it comes to survivors, the healing nerf is more than deserved. Unfortunately, it helps tunnelers but it also helps prevent some impossible situations for the killer. The DH change is pure garbage. It basically eliminated No Mither from the game, and gave killers more reasons to tunnel (combined with the healing nerf, and now we have a tunneling meta). DH should’ve remained the same, since it was rather skill based. DS should not be 3s but 5s instead. Now it’s needed more than ever, and the 3s stun is actually less than that due to the animations. A 5s stun would actually be closer to actual 3s. Given how the servers are, I’d say that Spin Chill should still hive vault speed. Object of Obsession should reveal ALL killers regardless of state. Kindred should have a 3-5s timer where the killer is revealed regardless of being stealthed. The 3-5 seconds on Kindred would only help solo players. Object of Obsession wouldn’t be too problematic even in a com scenario. Honestly, survivors have lost some nice diversity as of the latest patch. There’s still vision/information builds which help mitigate the bore of doing gens by giving information to spectate. There are good gen speed builds as well. There also good healing and hook rescue builds. However, they are usually limited to one per category.

[@thenoobulas]

In terms of the 'entitlement' meta, I completely agree, I had a game where I had 3 survivors dead and thr ace I hadn't seen all game kinda just walked up to me, I killed him and he legitimately got mad and flamed me in post game chat because I "should have given him hatch since he was the last survivor" and "that's just how its done, it's bm to 4k" like yeah a killer may give hatch for various reasons but it's not automatically yours just because I did well and you hid, I would have rather given it to the David who did well then the corner man ace who according to the other survivors just locker hopped all game and hid in the corner without ever touching a Gen or saving

[@tovarichtartartartaglia4380]

i wish all killers had this logic. Like whenever i do well killer punishes me for that but then rewards a surv which did literally nothing whole game like maybe cleaned one dull totem, opened 2 chests and tap a gen once but besides that only hide, no unhooks, no healing, no help and they get a free hatch/exit gate for that. It is really demotivating bc it makes me feel it's better to nothing and survive till endgame than try hard so maybe killer will have a mercy and gives a hatch just bc ur the last one alive

[@flamedramon68]

Happened to me too! It was a Vittorio I saw once the entire game and he was hiding at the exit gate after all of his team mates died. I think he repaired one gen at the end but that was it. Gave toolbox and teabagged and everything. Put him on the hook and he got mad I didn't let him go You shouldn't be rewarded for letting your team mates die and wait for hatch or last gate. You should be rightfully punished for being a bad team mate

[@Shanflanplan]

When I saw the old dead hard I was gonna jump because my dead hard ptsd kicked in. Now when I play I dont really wait for the survivor to use it but bacm when I started up until they change it, I waited so long because every time someone used dead hard my chase were significantly more longer. I also miss the old tinkerer. I know its good but I think we the current state of the perks that were used and slow down perks in general it might come back wirh twise per gen

[@KasjaneXX]

This video gives me so much nostalgia, its crazy to think that we ( both survivors and killers ) had to deal with all these absolutely goofy meta's and strats. It was fun tho... sometimes...

[@Lunofi]

It will be missed…

[@Capo181-j6z]

16:27 I don't get it, isn't old mom the same as the curent one?

[@samaelsion]

What is really killing this game is the community, I don't know about the others, but in Latin America, you can't say ABSOLUTELY nothing because immediately everyone comes to make fun of you bullying and come out with their "its crying". I'm serious, even the League of Legends community is healthier and friendlier... the dbd community has to be low to say that statement

[@MiloTheStoic]

Anytime I pull up one of your videos I get reminded of how early I started playing this game😅 Ive been back for almost a month and the last time I played this game dribbling was still a thing😂

[@Jonseredi]

I feel like Ruin was the most harmful to the game overall since it's like baseline changes to the game were postponed just because of it's existence as an alternative to slowdown the game. And then when we finally got the changes on both sides it was like it had become a standard for gen regressing perks overall butterfly effecting the later 3gen meta

[@buckiemohawk3643]

that one perk was why people left the game

[@dadamek8]

I just don't know why right now there is so much more tunneling than ever. I've been playing the game since it came out, but the tunneling has never been this bad. I'm mostly playing soloQ which already makes it hard to win and on top of that in the majory of the matches killers decide to tunnel someone out of the match early on.

[@nezafo]

Old freddy gives me ptsd, for the 1 every 10,000 trials I verse him, I still fear being stuck for half an hour with 4 gens

[@duster_bunt]

I havent played this game for as long as many people, only started around november of 2021 but in my experience the most boring meta for each side have been: As survivor: gen kicking meta (ngl it was also boring af as killer but it wasnt as painful) not doing anything for 25 seconds, constant missing overcharge skillchecks because low fps and console input delay and never getting chased just run 6 meters from a gen, wait till the killer kicks it and then go back on it, at least on ruin undying i got chased and if the killer didn't pressure correctly gens could still be done. As killer: second chance meta, the amount of times i went against 4 ds' dead hards unbreakables and adrenalines/deliverances sprinkled on top with medkits was so fucking painful and boring because it felt like no matter what you did you would loose, and also the fact that you werent being outplayed by skill, but by perks, i lost so many games to dead hard and ds than i lost to actual survivor skill, and even tho survivors with skill are scarier to face, it is still more fun cause the chase feels fair, but you had to outplay survivors 3 or 4 times every time you chased them, it was like using a drill in the slowest setting possible to go through a 10 inch thick aluminum wall

[@ElOjobelloOffficial]

I’ve been playing this game since the stranger things chapter off and on. I was originally a killer main who switched to survivor. I try not to be toxic when I play and understand where a killer is coming from when they tunnel someone and even take advantage. I usually play solo or with a friend. I feel like a large reason y this game just isn’t as fun to play as it used to be for me is the new anti loop killers. I remember when I first learned how to loop and I started looping and how much fun and how exhilarating it was for me. Nowadays most of the new killers, especially the knight and skull merchant, just use their insanely powerful anti loop powers to force you to leave loops and they know it. A lot of the times they will start leaving the loops before you do cause they already know that you’re forced to leave. This makes it so you just feel like there’s no counter play once the killer knows how to use their power and even if you play perfectly you are on a timer and will eventually die anyways. It’s not like old killers that you could loop for 5 gens even post infinite loops. This is just my opinion. Ofcourse as a survivor main I hate the fact that dead hard got nerfed but at the end of the day that doesn’t really affect my fun does it… and of course my opinions are a bit biased. I don’t really mind most other killers though, just the antiloop ones especially the knight and skull merchant. I also feel like this game shouldn’t be tailored to the highest level of Dbd. When I play solo the experience is nowhere near this sweaty gen rushing experience most killer mains talk about, most of my wins when I play solo feel like they could’ve gone either way and as a survivor who makes iridescent ranks I find myself not believing my teammates are iridescent too cuz it seems they are completely lost

[@KroolTheField]

Man I miss 2016 release DBD, survivor gameplay was terrifying, killers were scary, nobody unhooked each others.. Good'ol days

[@Uwujarvis]

Honestly the ending section was very biased. It’s ok to be burned out of a game especially when you’ve been playing it for 7 years but it’s not even close to how bad the metas used to be. Gen kick was bad but saying it’s somehow worse than old dead hard, old bnp, old moris and more is just not true. It’s only ‘more toxic’ only because it’s more popular than it was in 2016

[@theintelligentmilkjug944]

Which patch was it when they finally nerfed instant heal add-ons on medkits and insta down hatchets?

[@dariuspenner2528]

I think old flashlights should’ve been mentioned somewhere. The devs swearing up and down that they were fine up until one of them played against a bully squad that just flashbanged him the whole time is the funniest way anything has ever been nerfed

[@xTigerWise]

"The MOST TOXIC Metas in DBD History" : recites every meta ever

[@zertoaster]

The only "Meta" i miss is after DS got an anti tunnel perk. DS was still strong because many people tried to tunnel and then basically every Survivor used DS. Because of this no Killer tunneled you because you could have DS. You dont even needed DS to let the Killer think you have it. Hope DS becomes great again.

[@EdwinCristobal]

DS needs to get reworked, go back to 5 second stun, but reduce the active time from 60 seconds down to 45 seconds. That way it only punishes full tunneling killers.

[@muysli.y1855]

DH is the new anti Tunnel perk cause it works also Gates are powered

[@canelkoc8726]

Yeah DS was pretty effective. The only part I didn't like aside from it working in endgame was that people especially in SWFs were using it agressively. Like I didn't want to tunnel them but because they forced me to eat it I kinda had to tunnel now because their friend who I planned to chase is now long gone. If it wouldn't be for the aggressive plays I would have agreed with you to bring it back to it's old state.

[@zertoaster]

If i could change DS i would make that you the Killer can't use their ability 5 seconds after the stun (so Nurse/Blight need more than 3 ms to catch up) and the perk deactivates if the Killer is farther than 45 meter away so you can't run into the Killer every time and know if they do that the Survivor doesn't have the perk. (maybve let the Survivor leave no scratchmarks if the Killer is far away or something similar).

[@cuecafreada4020]

@@zertoaster what if a killer like dredge or sadako teleports to the other side of the map and then comes back? I liked the idea at first but we unfortunately have situations like this

[@mrscantparry]

I was around when the DS/Unbreakable meta was the biggest nightmare ever, but the gen kick meta was as bad, if not worse.

[@themr_wilson]

I remember well Mettle of Man with old Dead Hard -- four health states in one chase before healing

[@JakePwr]

You were speaking facts towards the end of the video. Game is more frustrating and boring then it has ever been. Tunneling is the worst part of the game right now because it's so easy/effective and there's way to counter it. It makes even playing with friends right now not fun. And soloq is a nightmare. Really sad to see what the game has turned into and I wish the devs would do something about it.

[@darksakurattv]

It's absolutely disgusting how Adrianna was treated, but there are still some amazing people in the community. When the devs take out the fun, some of us find other ways to have fun.

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

People think luckily the next could maybe possibly be what we asked for last time

[@Skarfar90]

Seems like every meta change that happens is making the game progressively worse for the average soloQ survivor. No wonder why the survivors team up

[@taragnor]

Not really. The update that let you see what your teammates were doing was a blessing for solo survivors.

[@Ramxenoc]

Been playing since about a month before Freddy's release and the meta I hated most was the first sloppy butcher + thanataphobia meta. As a killer my least favorite meta was the sprint burst meta when exhaustion still counted down even when running.