The MOST TOXIC Metas in DBD History

[@MintSkull]

What is, in your opinion, the WORST Meta the game has ever had?

[@SLZABBJNGO]

All of them I hate this game

[@MintSkull]

@@SLZABBJNGO Average 2023 DBD Player 😂

[@weskintime4177]

All of them sucked from Day 1 lmao. Mind you I got off between 2018 and 2021 so have not much experience there, but every time aside from that was just bad. Edit: Nevermind, I forgot when Ghost Face released because that’s when I got off. Then from December 2022 - March 2023. Doesn’t change the fact all the METAs were horrible and should have never existed in the first place.

[@Uubbfippk]

Being held hostage until the servers closed is 100% not okay, id say the gen kick meta is the worst ever.

[@MintSkull]

@@Uubbfippk Back in the days there were hostage situations like with Sabo Squads or Hatch standoffs, but I have never seen a situation like with the gen kick meta because of how easy it was to just hold the match hostage for hours. You didn’t need any SWF coordination as a killer, and even competent teams lose against killers with that build before the nerf. It’s one of the most brain dead metas we have ever had, because at least all of the ones from the past made the match end fast and not take 40 minutes like a League game

[@bodacious-hamster]

"i miss the old dbd" every survivor main

[@MintSkull]

They miss nostalgia, because if we transfer any of the metas on this video to the present, combined with the whining state of the community, Twitter and Reddit would explode!

[@Skarfar90]

Not just for survivor mains, but for the average casual player too. The game felt more like a horror game, and not an action game

[@nicememes7570]

​@@MintSkull they community was always whiney, it's just the devs listen more these days, and these days most of the whining is being done by survivors who were spoiled by old DBD

[@spotty4849]

Old DBD was really bad imo

[@bodacious-hamster]

@@spotty4849 very true

[@SharkiWeasel]

Hearing Mint talking about not enjoying the game anymore and only getting gameplay for videos is pretty upsetting, I'm really hoping something great comes out soon to change things up

[@Ramxenoc]

Personally I think this game is done for soon. Last Year has come back and people seem to be actually enjoying it, and VHS is still working on their foundation before trying to advertise and release to console. I think if either of them takes off dbd is done because they're both leagues better if you ask me and they're free

[@mikehunt8708]

@@RamxenocI feel like the game will almost always be around. The problem with the game is that it’s basically a temporary game. It’s boring to get on every day for a week and play for hours like in other games where it’s fun to do that. It’s a temporary game that you play if your waiting for the homies to get on another game. You will hate the game if you play it too much because it’s repetitive and can be very boring

[@Ramxenoc]

@@mikehunt8708 i have like 3K hours on this shit 💀 I loved it at one point but the survivor role just becomes less fun the more they nerf perks I like and the killer role never gets any less frustrating because you have to run gen slow perks all the time and it gets stale as fuck fast. Winning as killer is like 50/50 it felt good to win or it was a nightmare even though I won

[@Ramxenoc]

@@mikehunt8708 VHS is dead now so all we got is Last Year hopefully people play but big doubt.. if they get the console release with cross play it'll probably be fine though

[@TeemoQuinton]

@Ramxenoc man I wish VHS had more competent devs. Shit looks good but its not good enough

[@Predated2]

One meta that people tend to forget a lot is the old Dying Light meta. All you needed was to hook the obsession once, mori them and EVERYONE that remained alive was slowed down by 75%. Just some quick maths, that means a solo gen back then would take 5 minutes. You would require 3 people, 3 Leader perks and 3 Prove Thyself perks to combat the difference. If the killer brought an iri mori, you would basically lose the game.

[@bubbajoe117]

People also need to be thankful everyone bought into the classic freddy being trash tier meme, if they'd had the sense to stack the right perks to synergize with his power, those being Thana, Remember Me, Sloppy, and Dying Light, everyone would still be stuck in his nightmare trying to get out.

[@user-vh2ye5iy1b]

@@bubbajoe117I miss old freddy

[@LuxValkyrie]

I’m SO glad you mentioned how the community has become so toxic as a reason why the game isn’t so fun anymore. I’ve been arguing it for a while but it sense players just don’t want to take any accountability for helping drive this game and its community into the ground. Yes, BHVR has not made good choices lately with changes and killer powers encouraging unfun gameplay, but even if they fix that, toxic players will still be toxic and that is one of the more glaring issues right now. It will only get better if the community accepts this and changes, well, their OWN behavior.

[@eagleskyfire317]

I agree with you. I personally prefer that ALL players in a trial have fun regardless of what team they're on. DBD is merely a glorified game of tag with a horror twist after all.

[@LuxValkyrie]

@@eagleskyfire317 Right! As a killer, I don’t want to completely steamroll a team and I don’t want them to give up! As a survivor, I don’t want to be handed wins, I want to work for them, but I’d also not like to be held hostage in a game for an hour just because the killer doesn’t want to risk losing and prefers to camp last gen instead of chasing me or my teammate who are both on death hook.

[@dietretard2636]

Our you could grow a fkn pair of balls? Its a video game. Go outside if words online hurt you that much.

[@bozzbozz2800]

You cringe

[@demspookz8732]

The community is why I wished for years for a killer vs bots game mode, but when we finally got it the bots can see you through walls, loop perfectly, gen rush lightning fast with zero perks or items and never make mistakes in chases which means playing against bots is somehow even less fun than real people in most cases

[@forsaille4655]

That wretched shop clip made my skin crawl. Can't believe some people actually played on those maps

[@MintSkull]

That was the most well known clip about infinites, but they were significantly worse. Ironworks of misery was miserable because there was no broken wall next to the window, The meat tree had two windows instead of one pallet and one window, various loops had their windows open and also had 2 pallets, it was crazy back then and just proof of how better the average player is compared to 2016. Only survivor mains want to go back.

[@D0qy]

@@MintSkullyeah survivor mains want to go back because it was fun abusing the infinites that’s pretty obvious, myself I have just started a year ago and hearing all this stuff that survivor had as a survivor main myself just seems so fun but I missed out on it..

[@D0qy]

@@MintSkullI’ll be honest I was only 7 when the game came out so yeah haha couldn’t really play the game back then when infinites were a thing.. wasn’t allowed too

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

Put your skin on a leash so it doesn’t crawl too far away

[@72617]

​@@MintSkull shack had 2 windows

[@cryze5948]

4:21 Bro unlocked the ability to see into the future Amazing video as always ❤

[@notdeity809]

💀💀💀2027 i didnt see that the first time

[@Averagedbdgamer]

​@@notdeity809blud can see sounds

[@fallenguardian3538]

Ah yes, 2027, my favorite year!

[@chaosboi6815]

I remember during forever freddy meta the devs released a kill rate graphic and freddy had something like a 70% kill even on red ranks

[@avrandlane2735]

that was when the game was fun and more challenging on survivors!. game name is dead by daylight, when if first came out and present it doesn't live up to its reputation. game is a bit to easy on survivors. which i find the game to be more zzzz and boring

[@kevin6742]

@@avrandlane2735honestly they should really nerf all survivor perks and remove flashlights so killers can completely steamroll survivors tbh

[@alexiarai955]

​@@kevin6742What if they got rid of perks all together

[@kevin6742]

@@alexiarai955 honestly that’s a better idea IMP

[@B1g_B0sssss]

​@@kevin6742lmao hopefuly ur just kidding

[@DerpyAf]

I have been in the DbD community since it's alpha days and seeing the Community become so incredibly Toxic and Entitled over the years is soul crushing. And regarding what Meta I had the least fun playing against I would have to agree that some of the more Recent Meta's have been the worst for me. Back in 2016 I went up against Countless Sabo squads but I was still able to have fun, maybe it was because the game was in it's early stages and I wasn't playing it too seriously. But maybe the more recent ones were the worst for me because I just grew somewhat tired of the game.

[@ariisan5773]

i think i have a theory about that: back in 2016 we had the old ranking system where we just needed an amount of BP to up-/derank and it wasnt that hard either. Ppl got more competetive when D strike / dead hard released bc it gave them more chances against killers (tunnelers, normal killers , etc) but like with every other game the wrong ppl abused it too much and relied on it. Most killer punished the toxic ones first, got angry at every surv then bc u had to assume everyone had one of these perks. In the beginng many ppl played both sides too but it reduced over the years while new players always came in. So there was an understanding for some time for surv and killer. BHVR just screwed up catering to the competitive players. Remember when they said they wanted it to be a horror game without many juking? yeah, the devs havent had a plan for their game and let the ppl decide after a while and thats what made the community THIS toxic. Just because they can.

[@DerpyAf]

@@ariisan5773 I also think the community became more and more toxic over time because of some DbD youtubers at the time, mainly No0b3 and Ochido who encouraged toxic behaviour, and since a big chunk of the community was made up of younger people they adopted this mentality Toxic=Cool

[@ariisan5773]

@@DerpyAf Maybe its not cool - more they thought being toxic = being good in the game. Yeah mainly more other older dbd youtubers like 72hrs and ye ochido. I think u can count monto, puppers, etc in that too bc ppl dont like watching gen repair simulator. Even tho the uncut version of dbd showing ur fails and all is in my opinion better. Like im a good surv but i had often times where my brain didnt brain and i walked like i played 2 minutes. Everyone got their moments and can film it + show how good they are while forgetting that teamwork should be their no.1 priority. instead everyone made their niche groups of "i hate killers! nerf them!" "ihate survs nerf them!" and "im a killer/survivor main but my group does some weird things..". i pretty much miss the old dbd vibe.

[@caoticspazim3611]

I felt a groan come up from my chest when dribbling was brought up. What a time to be a killer main lmao

[@objectreality2889]

I still remember dribbling, bad times

[@Johnatron]

Above all, I hate the Eruption meta the most

[@MintSkull]

Same

[@djkenway4871]

@@MintSkull honestly yes

[@FlexPaste]

forever freddy was just a prototype for eruption/gen kick meta, because that meant it was now possible on every killers and not exclusively to freddy 😂

[@jeremyanderson2503]

It was worse than other metas because it was every game. If you had to a bad game you could just get the next one but players would ignore you right in front of them to kick the gen. Then after dragging it out a mistake would make it so you couldn't do anything for another 30 seconds. Just absolute misery with killers that could have multiple pairs of eyes on gens.

[@scurbbb]

As someone who has only been playing since Sadakos release, it was so interesting seeing all the old stuff the 'machinegun meta' was hilarious. thank you for this video!!!

[@lazypayday4476]

It was the wild west back then, Hillbilly was the second strongest killer in the game, insta-fucking everything. Honestly I'm one of the few who enjoys the balance of the current state of the game, but I can't say I don't miss the chaos.

[@Purrfect_Werecat]

Machingun huntress throwing those hatchets was a wild sight to behold

[@bschneidez]

​@@lazypayday4476- Back when I got into the game, a few years ago, I watched all the videos on old hillbilly and tried to main him lol. I was so disappointed when I realized how much harder it was than it was in the og videos. I'd love to play stronger hillbilly for a few games, looks so satisfying. Like playing bubba when the survivors are stupid, but even if the survivors aren't stupid and with much more mobility

[@adrianriveralopez3991]

I agree with you I've played for so long I hate how new players complain about everything like if they only knew how bad the game actually used to be compared to now@@lazypayday4476

[@Zakon673]

This game's community has been insufferable ever since the Skull Merchant dropped. Just endless negativity. I don't like the Skull Merchant, either, but the effect she's had on the community has been worse than anything about her herself.

[@schmuckmcgee7294]

I qualify for that Veteran’s Discount. That took me back. Also, I can tell you from experience that if you were really unlucky, you’d actually have to break five towns instead of four to get rid of Ruin back the day. Break Ruin three times, take out Undying, then finally destroy Ruin.

[@thatcatguy7025]

That’s cool but did you know that with Gecio you can save 15% or more on car insurance

[@MintSkull]

Nice Cat 🐈‍⬛

[@thatcatguy7025]

@@MintSkull thank you

[@BigMan-hd7gy]

4:19 "April 27th, 2027"

[@MintSkull]

My bad 💀

[@Sgt.Simmoisabigdumbpoopoohead]

NOOOO9 THE GAYME IS DEAD FOR 6859599TH TIME THE DEVS SUK DIKKK BRUH HOE COD THEI MAYK THE METTAWORSE INDA FOOTURE1!!1!1??????

[@Sgt.Simmoisabigdumbpoopoohead]

THES IS TOTALY NOT ME BEEIN BURNT OUT I AM ALWAYS RIGHT ITS EVRYBODY ELSEZ FALT

[@Camophlo]

My will to play Dbd is so down cause The Knight and SM made the game so long and unenjoyable cause I mostly play in Solo que so people aren’t able to reliably break the 3 gens at all

[@Andrey3oo7]

the final chapter of the video says it all. You are truly amazing @MintSkull ! Truly heartbreaking that an OG player like you, beeing here since the Fog first appeared, is not having fun anymore... Looking forward for more content from you!

[@rtristan8572]

7:11 The nostalgia... That's how I learnt that you can only drop the survivor fours times before the wiggle off.

[@Zennethe]

it used to be more. lol they nerfed that.

[@GDsergio]

yeah it was like 6 or 7 before, then they nerfed dribbling

[@rkopyc2408]

The worst meta was the 6 health state meta. DS + DH + BT + UB on all 4 survivors, with occasionally one person swapping BT or UB for OOO in SWFs.

[@irgendwer3610]

Bt was an absolute necessity even if you weren't sweating since 98% of killers would tunnel you right out of hook, specially if your stupid team kept unhooking you near the killer

[@reignfire85]

As frustrating as a game can become to play at times, the worst is when the community is actively targeting each other and the developers. I get mad, I yell at the screen and smack my desk, but I'm not going to attack and harass someone over it.

[@cuecafreada4020]

@@Sekavuus they are not tired, they are not suffering. they are enjoying the money and just don't know their own game, that's why this game hasn't its core gameplay changed too much.

[@Icole-cv4px]

6:34 She got a free escape card and t-bagged him at the exit gates, and some people still believe that the community of old dbd was more chill 😭

[@MiloTheStoic]

I'm a killer main and have always been,and once the game changed from "horror" to "loop the weird looking guy until all the gens are done" was when I had to start proxying hooks and gens.I miss the days of seeing people crouch walk across the map or hide in fear because it was their first time playing😔

[@muysli.y1855]

Yea back then we scream if we see a Killer

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

It sometimes feels like the survivors are finishing your generators and you have a weapon to defend yourself and them. Sadly doesn’t feel like the killers are hunting the,.I hope something comes to change that.

[@f3bq163]

@@StopWhiningManguideCultists games pretty much balanced right now. Learn how to play killer better. They won't nerf survivors more because solo is suffering as hell right now and adding another nerf is gonna kill the game entirely

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

@@f3bq163 yeah I know, it mostly applies to SWKs and Billie squads. I have no problems with solo or just friends playing together. But when they use that to make it very hard for killer that’s when this pops in.

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

And I never said I was bad at killer, it’s just I love playing character like not nurse or blight. So they know that it’s not impossible to win. :/@@f3bq163

[@cg_fimbulvetr]

Even now, the 3 gen meta is still very useable. I consistently use Surge, Overcharge, Eruption and Call of Brine, usually on Blight or Dark Lord due to their movement and basic attacks carrying out in their powers

[@samaelsion]

What is really killing this game is the community, I don't know about the others, but in Latin America, you can't say ABSOLUTELY nothing because immediately everyone comes to make fun of you bullying and come out with their "its crying". I'm serious, even the League of Legends community is healthier and friendlier... the dbd community has to be low to say that statement

[@Chrinsj]

When recommendations are faster than notifications

[@MintSkull]

Yeah I can already tell notifications will not be working on this video 😅 No idea what it is that decides which video will get notified, and which one won’t!

[@QuarianGuy]

Survivors have to do the rush gen builds or they lose. Killers have to tunnel and get slow down perks or they lose. I dropped DBD because of this. META is never fun but when META is necessary to win a game, that game is over for me.

[@jnet124]

Watching you Decisively juggle that megan fucking gave me PTSD something fierce, Just being juggled to every hook regardless of having DS or not, breaking out sometimes only to have the killer DC and realize i didnt have it in the first place, what a hell of a time for DBD.

[@gerscp-0497]

4:20 Am i the only one hearing 2027?

[@jello723]

The worst meta,in my opinion,is the current 3 gen meta right now. I hate having to go against a knight or skull merchant running these perks/builds,but at the same time,I understand why players run these perks. No gen defense=game done in 5 minutes,teabags at exit gate,and called trash player for not winning. Run these perks=games last over 30 minutes,player=terrine person, etc. I loved when the meta shake-up of last year took place. So much perk diversity came from it for a couple of weeks. Dbd felt like a new game,a fresh start to it.Then, we got what we have rn…

[@Joeyk354]

It’s so hard to have fun now for killer or survivor

[@SynthXV]

3 gen meta isn't a thing anymore A Skull merchant can try but without Brine, overcharge or eruption it doesn't work (those perks have been nerfed) I've tested it a few times with Merchant and Knight and lost everytime except for 1 match Game's feeling pretty solid again

[@lucasvallet4487]

Its been nerfed to hell tho what? Ehat perks are you talking about?

[@ZombieaidZ]

It’s because no matter how awful, unbalanced, or buggy this game is, nothing kills the fun more than the player base. It’s one of the reasons why I quit

[@Lorddraigo]

​@@SynthXVuntrue. The nerfed perks mean it's not possible on all killers, but it's still very easy to get a 3 gen locked down as SM and Knight. Especially on maps with bad gen spawns.

[@Skarfar90]

Seems like every meta change that happens is making the game progressively worse for the average soloQ survivor. No wonder why the survivors team up

[@taragnor]

Not really. The update that let you see what your teammates were doing was a blessing for solo survivors.

[@garrettlauderbaugh312]

It’s not people’s fault for complaining about these things though. The fact is that bhvr takes too long to make changes that should be a priority. It took them six years to nerf dead hard. Six years! The only problem the community has is taking things too far, but for the most part what we’re saying is completely valid. Don’t hate the players, hate the game

[@GhostLunofi]

True

[@Uwujarvis]

Honestly the ending section was very biased. It’s ok to be burned out of a game especially when you’ve been playing it for 7 years but it’s not even close to how bad the metas used to be. Gen kick was bad but saying it’s somehow worse than old dead hard, old bnp, old moris and more is just not true. It’s only ‘more toxic’ only because it’s more popular than it was in 2016

[@andrexsaberz9851]

4:13 ah yes, 1.5.0 the patch released in 2027🤯

[@michellerahe4853]

I didn't like the old meta just because I felt like I was stuck on the killer and survivor side using the same 4 to 8 perks because it felt like I needed it. Less perks to have pressure

[@crazypuppet919]

I say it everywhere where gen kick meta is mentioned, so i'm going to do it here too. I find it both funny and sad, how this meta was created and how it was nerfed. 1) BHWR buffed numbers for eruption. It became meta. Logical solution: reverse number buffs. BHWR solution: reworck the perk and remove the only reason why it was used in the first place. In conclusion it's not mediocre like before 6.1.0 but completely useless now 2) with CoB BHWR created mini-ruin that was easily counterd by tapping a gen. In 6.1.0 they decided to make THE EXACT SAME PERK WITH EXACT SAME NUMBERS and created Overcharge. OF COURSE PEOPLE WOULD STACK IT TOGETHER. Logical solution: keep CoB untuched cause it was mediocre by itself, and completely rework overcharge so it would have entirely new effect. BHWR solution: keep this two perks basically identical but throw numbers into trash and make both of this perks completely useless. They only needet to undo 6.1.0 changes, and rework OC again, but they decided to kill all three perks,and pain res as a bonus. And god bless us if the next meta shakeup will be soon and this perks would be remembered by this time... I'm not saying that gen kick meta was great. But the way BHWR are solving game problems are SO upseting

[@ElOjobelloOffficial]

I agree with you and I just want to add; thesame thing can be said for the survivor side. I’ve noticed how the devs always nerf perks too much to then buff or add a new that’s too overpowered.

[@SynthXV]

The game is actually pretty fun on both sides now since the gen meta got nerfed Just something I've noticed

[@NiceLedge]

As much as I hate to say it I have to agree about the entitlement of dbd players recently. Both sides are killing the community.

[@jaymatsu2367]

The worst meta for me was the circle of healing meta along with medkits in general, it pretty much meant nothing to hit the survivor for hit and run pressure since they can heal just themselves while the rest do gens

[@tyler69]

I bet you camp and tunnel

[@Cainb23]

“I hate every survivor perk that is even decent, I want to slug camp and tunnel them and they should not have good counter play” -2023 killers

[@jaymatsu2367]

@@Cainb23 in what way would I want to camp, slug or tunnel every match just for disliking circle of healing, all I said is how much I dislike that meta

[@tyler69]

@@jaymatsu2367 pov you're trash at killer and admit it

[@whytho1637]

All this guy said was that he disliked a certain meta and now he is being trashed on for it. Its these kind of people that give survivor mains a bad rep tbh.

[@frostydan7697]

And if you had hex undying back then with haunted grounds you could have up to 4 haunted grounds which I have experienced before it’s not nice when your teammates continue to cleanse the haunted grounds all game

[@aqua-sama7298]

The entitlement meta... This hit extremely hard compared to all the other metas in the past. The DbD's community state feels like an avarage LOL lobby given how much unecessary hate is being spread over to the devs and other players that just try to play the game.

[@That1Gam3r]

i lost my enjoyment of DBD two years ago, i stopped finding both sides fun. it mostly came down to the toxic community and fucking lag. way to many examples of being hit without actually getting hit despite having great internet

[@scorchedevil9669]

the entitlement meta will n e v e r heal not even circle of healing can recover this

[@heckheckle7040]

The latest Meta is the most boring, it actually caused me to start playing other games .

[@JakHero]

I hate Meta in general. I always find it boring playing with and against anything Meta. Mainly going against it to the point that as killer I ignore survivor and let them escape, and as survivor I give my location to the killer and then lead them to a hook to get sacrificed.

[@Netugi]

yup, I hate running meta stuff too. I'll pick some decent perks for my killer, but I'm totally down to trying some quirkier perks too. Monstrous Shrine on Sadako since she can TP away quickly to proc the hook progression speed immediately, or Coup on Huntress for those pesky loops. Things that people won't expect, maybe catch them off guard

[@The_Nata]

3:15 imagine having hooks break forever nowadays and no other hooks nearby to hook the survivors on, that would be ridiculous. Oh wait no I don't have to imagine that, it's literally still in the game for killers doing their objectives of hooking survivors. I wish BHVR would get rid of permanent broken hooks completely. Just have them respawn after like 2 minutes if they really want to keep hooks broken for some time, even though I don't know why the killer should be punished for doing their objective. But yea worst meta imho was the infinite loop meta, I haven't played at that time but Garden of "Joy" has an somewhat comparable loop with the house. Yes it is not infinite loop but it's still stupidly annoying. But I did like the old Hex:Ruined pre 6.1.0 it was like other hex perks high risk and high reward. But nowadays it's only high risk and no? reward.

[@Slimerror]

Bhvr just needs to step back from releasing killers and take community feedback (especially from high skill players that play both killer and survivor) to refine the base games mechanics. After that they need to release a killer to renew interest then again take a look at under and overperforming perks and rework them (as well as make a few base kit for all survivors/killers) then release another killer or two to renew interest and then work on existing killers and overhaul them. This could obviously take years to accomplish, but the game would become a refined classic.

[@th0b4s39]

Hey i recognise that theme anywhere. Thats the crystal colosseum theme from pokemon battle revolution. U sir are a man of culture

[@adrijanmurtic]

I miss the old maps. Like why do we have to have maps in the daylight, when i started playing i would shit my pants when a saw the killer in the old dark maps they were just so much better and the game had a horror feel now its just a 4v1 survival game no horror. Bring back the old dark maps with bad graphics lol i miss them at least let there be an offering for them or something. And every time i get the coldwind farm I just think to myself why in the actual fuck did they make it daytime.

[@darksakurattv]

It's absolutely disgusting how Adrianna was treated, but there are still some amazing people in the community. When the devs take out the fun, some of us find other ways to have fun.

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

People think luckily the next could maybe possibly be what we asked for last time

[@zertoaster]

The only "Meta" i miss is after DS got an anti tunnel perk. DS was still strong because many people tried to tunnel and then basically every Survivor used DS. Because of this no Killer tunneled you because you could have DS. You dont even needed DS to let the Killer think you have it. Hope DS becomes great again.

[@EdwinCristobal]

DS needs to get reworked, go back to 5 second stun, but reduce the active time from 60 seconds down to 45 seconds. That way it only punishes full tunneling killers.

[@muysli.y1855]

DH is the new anti Tunnel perk cause it works also Gates are powered

[@canelkoc8726]

Yeah DS was pretty effective. The only part I didn't like aside from it working in endgame was that people especially in SWFs were using it agressively. Like I didn't want to tunnel them but because they forced me to eat it I kinda had to tunnel now because their friend who I planned to chase is now long gone. If it wouldn't be for the aggressive plays I would have agreed with you to bring it back to it's old state.

[@zertoaster]

If i could change DS i would make that you the Killer can't use their ability 5 seconds after the stun (so Nurse/Blight need more than 3 ms to catch up) and the perk deactivates if the Killer is farther than 45 meter away so you can't run into the Killer every time and know if they do that the Survivor doesn't have the perk. (maybve let the Survivor leave no scratchmarks if the Killer is far away or something similar).

[@cuecafreada4020]

@@zertoaster what if a killer like dredge or sadako teleports to the other side of the map and then comes back? I liked the idea at first but we unfortunately have situations like this

[@ejox621]

You deserved a sub for the meta talk in the end, I barely play the game for fun anymore. I might play one or two matches a day at most in the hopes of having a good time because I'm still addicted, only to be reminded why I do not typically play the game anymore as I used to.

[@zoopdoop_games]

Personally I have very much enjoyed the game on this patch. I think it was rough at first but this patch feels like a "nothing is free" mood. You earn and fight for every inch you get. Granted I don't play solo survivor a ton anymore but I really like where the game is rn

[@cuecafreada4020]

"I don't play solo survivor", ooh, now I understand

[@irgendwer3610]

@@cuecafreada4020 yep... never has solo q been this miserable

[@Notwedsquid]

All this brings back painful memories and fun memories playing the game since it’s released even owning legacy but sadly losing them cause dbd back then was just weird with people losing their accounts so living through all these metes the worst has to be the recent one of the 3 gen meta that was the most boring meta to exist every game was just 3 gen 40 minute matches it was just ridiculous I literally avoided ranking survivor for rank reset bp and only stayed on killer. But also on the ruin nerf I don’t think it was nerfed cause of tinker I think it was nerfed cause of the killers that come to exist nemesis in zombies pinhead with the box and chain hunt knight and his guards with ruin and skull merchant plus wesker going out to find a spray plus being insta down is just a lot of slow down I wouldn’t mind ruin coming back though.

[@doompunk64]

I’m right there with you having played since 2016, and if we went back a year or two ago, I’d say Survivors were busted. Now, I think Killer in public matches has a much bigger advantage. I never thought I’d be able to say that, but it also kinda sucks too because I can’t play Survivor and have fun anymore, even playing in a casual SWF with friends is miserable. Great video as always!

[@GhostLunofi]

Yeah most of the newer killers aren’t any fun to play against. Like legit the last fun killer to be released was pyramid head.

[@Cairsoir]

That ending hit hard, since the genkick meta shifted something in the community and nobody seems to be having as much fun. As the game has progressed it has developed into more competitive for some reason; I started bit before twins released so I haven't seen much of the old stuff but I do remember games being way chiller back in the days with the frustrating sweats being relatively far and between. Obviously I've gotten better myself and face better players as a result but still. Probably just much of community feeling burnout from bad meta surfacing some uglier things to light, or might be just projecting myself to larger audience. After all the people having fun aren't complaining on social media. As a side note I wish they gave one forever freddy addon back to the poor guy; I hated the forever friend freddy but the guy has such crap addons and is so weak, with current gen regression nerfs he should be thrown a bone.

[@Purrfect_Werecat]

I find myself enjoying the game less the harder I'm trying to "win" tbh when I just play to meme at survivors or try something silly and the team isn't a bully or gen rushing squad, I have the most fun.

[@ChisponGroxo]

I would say playing against Blight with Tinkerer, Ruin and Undying was the most painful time... at least Freddy was somehow beatable back then. I agree that the game is so boring nowadays since tunneling is so abused by killers...

[@twinzzlers]

And gen rushing is abused by survivors.

[@ChisponGroxo]

@@twinzzlers sure, all my solo q matches are immersed survivors that hide all game and do nothing... then they die in a 5 second chase and suicide on hook... Gen rushing AF

[@twinzzlers]

@ChisponGroxo And all my games are toxic tryhards immediately smashing two gens and somehow that's considered fair. But sure, keep jerking off survivors, they never do anything wrong! Screw this game.

[@antoniosamaelspeziaanaya2500]

Well...the time of full regression meta was strange, playing against nurse, blight and spirit was miserable. But playing against any other killer was a mix of good results and bad results, some killers just didn't have got enought value from that perks due to their desing carencys and others felt it a lot better.

[@prophetedubaroque5136]

I mean if that's your fellow survivors tunneling or not yoûre gonna lose. Plus if they hyde and you don't the killer will attack you the most for sure.

[@Sleepyhollow3245]

And the current meta has to be the most boring ever for killer

[@literallyalois2966]

ah yes... 2027, when hooks finally regenerated

[@lemonbeamer]

single worst meta IMO is the existence of skull merchant. more draining than old object of obsession

[@Bunny_Sunny_]

Amazing video, I really like and feel what you say at the end. But you broke my heart " mettle of man is more a joke as a perk now " * i who run it every match * --> 😭 🤭

[@JosiesCloset]

Unpopular popular opinion: wiggling is completely useless unless you go down in a dead zone with boil over or you have flip flop, or the other situation of being with a swf

[@INeedHelp107]

it is pretty useless but it gives bp

[@GhostLunofi]

I was fine with every meta all the way through 2018-2020 but then 2021 kinda was the start for me where I felt the game was getting stale and ended up taking a brake and playing a different game. 2022-2023 had the most awful metas tho. I would take any old dbd meta back rather than dealing with the current boring ones.

[@Deputy_Doofus]

4:14-4:23 Ok guys, we got 4 years until the Sabo Squads Riot

[@dadamek8]

I just don't know why right now there is so much more tunneling than ever. I've been playing the game since it came out, but the tunneling has never been this bad. I'm mostly playing soloQ which already makes it hard to win and on top of that in the majory of the matches killers decide to tunnel someone out of the match early on.

[@Jonseredi]

I feel like Ruin was the most harmful to the game overall since it's like baseline changes to the game were postponed just because of it's existence as an alternative to slowdown the game. And then when we finally got the changes on both sides it was like it had become a standard for gen regressing perks overall butterfly effecting the later 3gen meta

[@buckiemohawk3643]

that one perk was why people left the game

[@PaxFTW_YTP]

First four seconds of the video is a perfectly cut swing before the survivor gets hit. Best intro ever!

[@InfamousHorse]

We also had Forever Legion when the perk reworks happened in July before BHVR nerfed Thana to avoid it being more than 1 update cycle.

[@puppetandfriends1476]

Old dbd had good, but it also had a lot of bad, nostalgia covers up the bad, making us blind to it

[@GhostLunofi]

Depends how far back we are talking here

[@NUGGETZ-Gaming]

Oh bro...Worst meta right now, because everyone bored and literally face camp every game ;o

[@primrose6794]

What you said at the end is how I feel. I just started playing recently and I've had 4 games in a row with tunneling Wraiths who were being toxic as all hell, camping hooks and body blocking when we tried to save our ally. To make it worse, I don't have any other perks unlocked except for Feng so that means I can't go and get any perks to counter that right now. Skull merchant is even more toxic, doing the same thing as Wraith, but to a degree where they sit there and watch you bleed out and camp your body.

[@tyler69]

The camping and tuneling meta still in effect

[@kalaitzopoulos7919]

i wonder how dbd pulled off with all these happening i started playing at 2020 so i didnt experience there broken metas

[@-MAJIK-]

It honestly didn’t feel as broken as it sounds. As survivors improved their looping skills, so did killer’s with their chase abilities. Looping wasn’t even a thing for the first year or two. The game definitely felt a lot spookier and immersive than it does now. In my opinion, the most broken meta was the release of circle of healing and it was extremely overpowered. I’m a survivor main and I can definitely admit it deserved to be nerfed as quickly as possible.

[@Rodorigo23]

Man old dbd was so wild. I remember when there was no bloodlust, BT gave endurance to RESCUER, exhaustion status effect didn't exist, NOED wasn't a hex and instead was permanent and mori had NO hook requirements. Also back in the day killers could literally stand infront of hook and survivors couldn't rescue (true face camp, they later changed it so you could rescue from different angles). Doctor also had 2 stances so you could camp on shock stance, spam M1 and as soon the surv tried to rescue they would get grabbed, you couldn't even bait x D

[@Gaminboi2864]

BHVR does not know how to balance the game. I wish they could add back Unrelenting with a reduced successful attack cool-down, but just a little, like 2/4/6% so it would still be worth more to run. Out right removal of mechanics makes the game less fun, and refusal to balance the game makes it stressful.

[@mrscantparry]

I was around when the DS/Unbreakable meta was the biggest nightmare ever, but the gen kick meta was as bad, if not worse.

[@ScorchedFYI]

Made for This + Hope + Power of Two is getting up there...

[@Icole-cv4px]

Did you see as Knight how survivors with these perks can just run away from your Guards? So much fun 💀

[@EsuEsuEsuuu]

Ngl... I'd rather play against old Ruin+Pop which wasn't meta(idk how) but was annoying af 😭😭😭 3 gen meta is so boring rn, Endurance being nerfed killed the game for me... no more aggressive Soulbreakable plays no nothing... it's just a sad state tbh

[@littlegoat713]

People ARE sleeping on Shadow Step. Ik I can still see the blood of injured survivors, but healthy survivors?! They're hard as hell to track without paying attention, listening, or looking for scratch marks.

[@Ramxenoc]

The community early on was fun talking to the devs on their devstreams. Then they started getting all the bullying and rude comments and such that they stopped doing them. Going on twitter now its NEVER anything positive about this game 😂. Entitled and bad killers entitled and bad survivors. Stupid perk nerfs to address all the crying and devs only listening to the community when the data backs it up. I assume its why they keep trying to make other games to get away from this one. Though they've failed twice. PERSONALLY I don't think they're a good dev team. Considering how wildly unfair this game was for killers in the beginning and how buggy and broken it was to now how toxic the community is and how much fun people are not having these days. This was a game I put probably like 3K+ hrs into from ps4 Freddy release to Stranger things release to starting over on my move to pc up until a year ago I've played this game and it sucks the life out of you honestly. I don't think its a good game but it was at least fun before MMR got added. Not to mention how dogshit it ran or still runs on console. Its not good

[@rtristan8572]

Thank god back then I was a complete nooby and I was paired with people who abused those things. When I say I miss old DBD it's becouse I miss my personal experience of it. The experience of playing against OG Freddy a few weeks after realse, and therefore having no idea what to do and subsequently pannic, is something I think is unimaginable in todays DBD.

[@bonobouare872]

Kinda funny how most of the metas in this video were survivor metas.

[@MintSkull]

I might have been biased, but I felt like the Spirit fury enduring, the DMS pain resonance, or the pop goes the weasel meta were not bad at all or toxic. It was fun to play as survivor and killer because all those perks had counters.

[@GhostLunofi]

@@MintSkull I can confirm these metas were not bad, but I did enjoy the ruin meta too but not with undying because undying was just painful.

[@muysli.y1855]

​​@@GhostLunofi hate Ruin meta most, i was new in dbd back than and it was so frustating

[@BeautyXTwisted]

Ah man, old dying light made me scared to be the obsession because I knew I was guaranteed to get tunneled out. 💀 add that on top of old mories I’m with everyone on the gen kick meta being the worst. Completely ruined the knight and the merchant for me. I can’t stand playing against those killers and just hearing their terror radius makes me want to throw myself on the hook ☠️

[@joh1997dude]

Man, you forgot how OOO used to work. It only revealed the killer's aura when you were not in the killer's terror radius and looking at him/her. So it didn't provide any use during chase (unless against Freddy). What it was used for is to help teammates with communication during chase about doubling back and such. You could do this from acros the map, which made it unbearably unfun.

[@rtristan8572]

I'll never forget how blatantly unbalanced the games wa and how game breaking DH was that survivors had a build that was straight up called "the invencible build".

[@spyper9935]

After watching your video, i can fully and i mean seriously agree with everything you feel, i've played this game since its like beginnings, but instead of the game going into a more healthier state, the decisions that devs take are somewhat Beyond questionable and makes me wonder how could they make changes like that or add unnecessary changes like the Billy's overheat mechanic (like literally nobody plays him anymore or rarely) or other perk changes making them essentially useless or adding new perks that Absolutely NOBODY uses, and much more, i do posses all of the Licensed Characters in the game, and that same goes for achievments themselves, i literally 100% the entirity of DBD, and then i could finally feel freedom from this Toxic shitfest that Dead By Daylight stands for, every match you play nowadays consists of extreme sweating coming from either survivors or Killers themselves, making the matches EXTREMELY mind numbingly dull, the last time i played the game, i genuinely couldnt find any enjoyment from playing it, every match felt so boring and extremely exhausting, because there always has to be that one Andy that has to yell at you over the chat or purposely annoy you in the middle of the game, not to mention the special type of breed that consists of script kiddies. I had this love and hate relationship when playing DBD, mainly coming to forcing myself to grind for achievements, but when the sweet time came i stopped playing the game, and enjoyed myself playing other masterpieces instead. Not everyone will care what i think, but that is legitimately what i think of the current status for the game itself and as well the community itself, the toxicity here will never change, and the same perks will stay overused, because other perks are just blatantly useless, and if you're not using the same strong perks over and over, you will either get constantly rolled or laughed at, sure you can survive without perks or kill, but at most points certain perks would literally hand you the kill or an escape, where you couldnt possibly achieve that. All in all, from now on i'll only come back to this game, whenever they add new achievements, i will no longer force myself to the constant stress, and the bullshit from either metas or the cancerous behaviour of majority of this community, atleast i have some good memories from playing it back in the day i guess.

[@DustTheOtter]

Dang. MintSkull living in 2027.

[@kaister901]

I love how survivor mains complain about killers being OP and have a collective amnesia of how the killer side had literally just 2 OP builds even way back then. Machine gun and old hex: ruin. Survivors had way more broken shit.

[@neevko267]

As dumb as the game can get, at least I can play fine without worrying in every obsession match (back when obsessions weren't generated every match) that I would get hit by a DS for touching a survivor who's been off hook for 58 seconds

[@Len11999]

He didnt talk about "the build" 😔 (we're gonna live, desperate mesures, soul guard, circle)

[@knightwolfpro4494]

Oh yeah, speaking of complaints, I had a guy who played survivor complain because I chased him instead of breaking generators. I don't even respond to people who complain anymore, but I should have told him if he didn't want to be chased he should have let me hit him. lol

[@VegaIllusion]

The thing is that killers benefit more from toxic play than survivors. Killers who camp, tunnel and/or slug aren’t being punished but rather rewarded in most cases. This makes the matches just boring and frustrating. When it comes to survivors, usually the survivor has to go out of their way to be toxic which doesn’t guarantee a win for the team in the same way as the killer. I do believe that killers, for the most part, have good perks that counter most problematic standard gameplay, mainly gen rushing and hiding/losing sight. However, some killers have ridiculously strong add-ons. For example, what is the point of Michael’s ability if he can be in perma stage 3? Or Waith if a bell is silent? Or Billy if the chainsaw is silent? How about Dredge with the full stack start with no downside to it? These add-ons are more annoying than fun to play against, and it often just makes it fun for the killer. Balanced counter play is necessary for fun, and killers should have more balanced add-ons. When it comes to survivors, the healing nerf is more than deserved. Unfortunately, it helps tunnelers but it also helps prevent some impossible situations for the killer. The DH change is pure garbage. It basically eliminated No Mither from the game, and gave killers more reasons to tunnel (combined with the healing nerf, and now we have a tunneling meta). DH should’ve remained the same, since it was rather skill based. DS should not be 3s but 5s instead. Now it’s needed more than ever, and the 3s stun is actually less than that due to the animations. A 5s stun would actually be closer to actual 3s. Given how the servers are, I’d say that Spin Chill should still hive vault speed. Object of Obsession should reveal ALL killers regardless of state. Kindred should have a 3-5s timer where the killer is revealed regardless of being stealthed. The 3-5 seconds on Kindred would only help solo players. Object of Obsession wouldn’t be too problematic even in a com scenario. Honestly, survivors have lost some nice diversity as of the latest patch. There’s still vision/information builds which help mitigate the bore of doing gens by giving information to spectate. There are good gen speed builds as well. There also good healing and hook rescue builds. However, they are usually limited to one per category.

[@cthulu7016]

#MakeDeadByDaylightFunAgain DH is another joke perk now lol

[@GhostLunofi]

Exactlyyyy bhvr are killing their own game lol

[@xaan7458]

I'd rather the game to be broken but fun then whatever its now

[@GhostLunofi]

Same

[@judubbing9615]

You have so much taste when it comes to music added to your video omg great video as always!

[@samaelsion]

To may people say that its hard to play as killer. Im enjoy it, cuz as killer, i cant be tunneled, camping or depend of random survivors of the garbage solo Q, as killer i like to leave the people escape and if they came to bully i just go afk. I bought a game to get fun and enterteimente, not have stress and pain... as killer, no one can ruin your gaming experience

[@spaghetti3010]

I don't agree with the recent meta being the WORST but it isn't one of the better ones either. DBD has been hell recently for killer and survivors. They need to add some big new updates to this game I don't care how long it takes or what it is but there are many features that would make the game nicer and they could be possible if the devs really worked crazy hard. I don't have any negativity towards the devs but I feel the fanbase has been terrible recently.

[@Napstah]

i can see you never played in 2016 , saboteur was never meta , it was just annoying to face killers never ran agitation and iron grasp together , and also not to counter saboteur , iron grasp was litteraly broken in 2016 allowing you to get to basement even if you were at the very opposite of it, you never had to bring agitation. also ds was released on 2016 not 17

[@heronik79]

People changed. Now it's about winning not having fun... Ofcourse before it was about winning too but now it's the priority and only thing that is fun for people and they are scared to lose. They don't try anything new, fun cause they gonna lose the game and get harrased cause of it (you don't even need to do that, you can get it for anything). Ofcourse this entire comment might be wrong, i'm not a psychiatrist or something, i'm just another grey man out of many in this world, having his own opinions..... Twins sucks, D tie-

[@GhostLunofi]

It’s the devs fault they added mmr

[@heronik79]

@@GhostLunofi mmr just connect you with people "your level" which is just that have same or similar number and really it doesn't do anything besides pairing new players to new players but after that it's normal match of DBD. Only thing it could change is people mindset to win not have fun but it was happening anyway. No matter if mmr existed or not, people would change to just win not have fun cause they don't know how

[@GhostLunofi]

@@heronik79 I don’t really agree because I think the devs pushed the game to a competitive one which caused the community to get sweaty.

[@heronik79]

@@GhostLunofi not really. People were already understanding the game and using it for an advantage before mmr. Most it could do is make people think they need to be sweaty. If mmr in COD didn't exist it would be the same.... Maybe, for my point it would be XD. It's not fun after mmr cause bad players are now playing bad players.... Or people who played DBD before but changed the platform

[@GhostLunofi]

@@heronik79 well that’s an interesting take I must say but I hope the devs one day go back to the old ranking system because I found that to be healthier for the game.

[@ALE199-ita]

I think just saying DbD and Toxic is enough to describe 90% of the game.