Why WoW PvP is BETTER in The War Within!

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[@AlunethMaster]

we have been saying the pvp community is much smaller than the pve one for almost 2 decades makes me wonder what the game would be like if pvp players were getting content as mjuch as pve ones we never quit.

[@Uthlax]

spoken like a tru death knight

[@balancebreaker1561]

I play mainly pvp but i gotta be honest, catering to pvp players is probably one of the biggest mistakes ever. Every pvp person started leveling, doing pve, why? Cuz before pvp even existed that was the game. A pve game where you would fight the opposite faction for resources etc, like it was back in vanilla. Then a group of pvpers became louder that they didnt want to do pve, and its when the shitshow started. This is primarily pve game with pvp interactions, now has lost its path since then and is a fuckshow.

[@AlunethMaster]

@@balancebreaker1561 yeah but imagine leveling surrounded by players and have the enemy faction city and fighting pvp too and have rewards off that ....no?

[@balancebreaker1561]

@@AlunethMaster of course lmao, that's hows been originally, that was vanilla, and shifted away from that. But like i said, those are pvp interactions inside a pve world

[@noduj]

After MoP they simply sayed fk u pvpers and in legion with the template system and mythic+ they killed PVP, i think they gave up after that.

[@lihisluikku]

I think it's good for the health of PvP, if they design the game for those who we call "casuals". Those who spam BGs. Whose goals aren't to get a glad mount every season, or even the elite appearance. Those who seek to grind their conquest gear at 1200-1500 rating, and then spam BGs, getting joy out of the scoreboard and killing our alts that have no gear yet. Why? Because those players are the ones who will keep the scene alive, populate the ladder, and provide reasons for devs to even care about PvP. If it's just us dying dinosaurs who have sat over 2400 rating for 10 years, and the so called casuals are ignored, they quit. And 95% of the PvP playerbase quitting, is very bad. So it's good that we have BG blitz where those players can go gear up and chase their modest goals. After all, almost every arena addict is born out of a BG hero who got bored at BGs and realized he accidentally got somewhat good after so many seasons of grinding conquest gear. This ofc does not mean, that blizzard has to listen to trash takes from bad players and fill their wishes. Those "casuals" might be crying about gear being too hard to grind, but if Blizzard pulls a legion gearing system, they quit because now they have nothing to progress. And they aren't "pwning noobs" anymore as they can't get a gear advantage, so they quit. They have to design the game to be engaging and rewarding for new players and casuals. Not to cater to their immediate desires or class balance wishes.

[@ericsilva7430]

To me as a solo player, the most annoying thing is the gear gate on raids or ratings, because that means I need other players to get gear, and that removes the point of playing the game-to relax and get away from the stress and everyday life... The moment I can't get gear because I don't have a good group, I go play something else... Spending a huge time finding a guild/team and dealing with the drama is something I will never do again in a game...

[@bs5am]

Great take

[@notalive_zombie]

Its what I've been saying, this is exactly why Overwatch fell so hard, Blizzard tried so hard to make a game that only catered to minuscule faction of players, E-sport players. Trying to placate these people is the most insane option to take.

[@srk5587]

​​@@notalive_zombie did you just pull an uno reverse on history my dude? Original Overwatch did the EXACT opposite of what you said and that's why it died. It went to shit the moment they released a hero that my great grandma could play which annihilated the most skilful heroes in the game. Then it kept going downhill for similar reasons. They made healing OP because bad healers couldn't heal (the same thing they have done to WoW), made tanks absurdly broken and nerfed DPS to the ground to the point where teams were playing with 3 tanks and 3 supports. Let's not re-write history shall we?

[@xilial]

@@ericsilva7430 totally

[@EleosGames]

BG Blitz is a Dream for every Battleground lover, it allows me to never have to step foot in a Arena or Shuffle ever again :)))

[@fitnessrealty]

I 100% agree with this part. And blitz feels better than random bgs ever have.

[@EleosGames]

@@fitnessrealty Yes,it`s relevant ,the class toolkit shines and gains new freedoms,you can play objectives more independently,the whole vibe is different,after a certain CR everybody plays to win,I enjoy the twist on all the BGs.

[@Lacertos]

This, I couldn't care less about Arena balance now.

[@BohdanUdovychenko]

Agree

[@petersirota5124]

Bgs are good for low exp players. You can learn retation, etc. But tryharding rank in bg? Lol who Did this sht..

[@saifears]

As a Enhan. Shaman main, I feel attacked not even 20 sec into the video :(

[@Mike-vs1gf]

Definitely hope that they target the micro CCs quite a bit more. Coming back to retail after really only doing classic pvp since TBC came out, micro cc was the number one thing that stuck out to me. felt like im constantly getting chipped and dinged by annoying little things. Randomly getting knocked this way, gripped back another. rooted 3 times in a row for .5 seconds. Its like half the classes have a whirl wind surrounding them of little hands that flick you in the nose.

[@pookapookyoyo3095]

Agreed, it can be very frustrating and seems a little off.

[@kalleanka2796]

Yeah they could work on that for sure, better DR's on grips, roots etc.

[@45blank16]

lmao, yes, micro cc's needs to be addressed.

[@LeCaptRage]

Well i feel like that everything you just mention in the bad is a good point for BG players. Arena is a huge learning curve and i feel like BG blitz will bring a lot of new players because of how close it is to pve than shuffle or arena.

[@adamray7249]

Loving this expansion and excited for the next 20 years of WoW!

[@Francis-of8cw]

Nothing about the new solo queue rated battleground? That's the most exciting thing about the new expansion i.m.o.

[@cubak9522]

Hate to say it but there will be no worthy pvp in tww

[@JoseFanon]

Yup, pvp is as bursty as Battle for Azeroth, except for the S tier classes.

[@evanthompson6355]

my favorite thing about this xpac is that every dps is also a healer and a tank in pvp

[@strugl3snugle245]

you're literally just trash at the game. Go do mythics. Its more your speed.

[@newjerseyjustin]

im playing rogue and warrior i feel zero self healing. in fact i wish i had more compared to everyone else

[@fatabbas1330]

Better than df for now, dps spec heal less than before except the usual 3.

[@richiepipes8960]

​@@newjerseyjustin You must be absolutely god awful if you need more healing as a warrior right now.

[@cndnknight]

@@newjerseyjustin im guessing this is a sarcastic comment. My warrior dies from perma slow every match. I haet my warrior in PVP. my mage on the other hand is much better. go figure right.

[@andreiionescu182]

PvP in WOW atm is like a full hack and slash anime mobile game, everything is aoe on a fast pace.

[@cooller8888]

exactly, it's horrible. Fun nowehere present.

[@Rudbeckbitten]

Retail andies cant get enough of that bloat sadly

[@adyon4047]

Not true lol. If you play without healer then yes or if you play fure with unholy then yes you are playing full aoe build bud still. Usually if both teams know how to heal or press cds the team with better coordination of cc or kiting wins..

[@AltezzaDCG]

Hi Skill-Capped ~ The weak auras in the SK pack don't seem to work in this xpac. Is there an update or something I can download? I'm not currently a member but I will be if I can get the updated version.

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

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[@skasere1]

How is pvp better when you have to do all day pve in order to upgrade your pvp gear?The community is complaining about that since legion,let people pvp and have their gear from pvp,no Mythic+,no raids,no world quests.All we want is to do arenas and bgs some hours per day and have a decent gear.Why do they make it complicate in every expansion?

[@shieldsftw]

Never thought I'd get to be in a Skill Capped video, nice! 8:19 Definitely looking forward to the new season!

[@MrJeremydb91]

These are all great changes, as a casual pvper I don’t feel the need to just get crushed in arenas!

[@marketguy2685]

Having solo dungeons to gear up seems attractive to me. No more trash talking or getting the boot cause im learning the game. Might be time to give it another try.

[@andytheindividual3862]

I love this expansion, it feels great!!

[@Uthlax]

your the reason blizzard keeps selling garbage.

[@bonkling]

I agree, having a blast so far

[@LeCaptRage]

@@Uthlax If you tell me that cata and LK are the golden age, we just wont take you seriously lol.

[@naejimba]

@@LeCaptRage , hey buddy: Wrath, Cata, and MoP were the peak for PvP imo.

[@LeCaptRage]

@@naejimba Sure man XD. I played LK and cata and i can tell you its definitely not the peak. I've played current and classic versions of those xpac and it made me quit.

[@mathiasH9108]

So is pvp good or bad now? And is it even active as casual goes?

[@Danvik91]

In my experience, not even the basic pvp gear allows you to do anything now. I'm completely overwhelmed, I make 0 damage to the other players, whose healthbar get constantly refilled by healers who can spawn op healings to them while not taking any damage, they are absolute tanks, but never when I play healers ofc, in that case I die in 0 second. If I remember well, the last time I really enjoyed pvp was during Legion.

[@dr.furrytoe443]

Wow needs to focus on a separate game called wow pvp. They have all the arena, bgs etc.. leave out PVE altogether…

[@StConstatine]

Thats just a stupid idea really. So i just get in a lobby like plunderstorm? No aspect of an mmo at all anymore

[@dr.furrytoe443]

@@StConstatine thats the point!

[@StConstatine]

@@dr.furrytoe443 oke oke in that case fair 🤣🤣

[@bjarnij3782]

Yeah who do you think will play that? Let that sink in for just a second. Imagine what players you would be competing with.

[@dr.furrytoe443]

@@bjarnij3782 all the players who currently play wow for pvp… duhhhhhh

[@vadyazmey]

Glad you guys return. When needed the most

[@OrisMaxy]

8:31 you mean bahjeera reacting to venruki reacting to asmongold reacting to xaryu talking about a Raiku post

[@clawsthelaw9854]

I was gunna say we are missing someone 😂

[@naejimba]

I mean... can we blame the player base for not playing PvP as much when it is an afterthought for developers? Think of just how little changes and attention PvP has gotten over the years, and how the majority of that was simply taking PvE's sloppy seconds.

[@jorginhobritto1250]

i liked the refference of blizz copying the "arena ready" *AND SOLOQ* from old at/molten (warmane servers)

[@Kanoog]

As far as I'm concerned its like Diablo 4 Season 4, it took what made Diablo great and just ADDED to it instead of F"n up everything and trying to fix it later. That is a MASSIVE W in my opinion.

[@jcastro1841]

Idk. PVP combat has been pretty trash for a few xpacs. The amount of aoe dmg and burst is pretty retarded. Don't have to coordinate much of anything. Just mash buttons and the cleave will do the work lmao

[@JahjuanR]

Im not gonna give my input until all have tiersets but so far it feels slower which i guess isnt a bad thing but certainly wont be fun to watch in later tournaments. I remember in Shadowlands during tourneys teams literally sat at pilar until Dampening ramped up because there was no point in playing before that since nobody died. I would not like to go back to that so i hope they dont get too crazy with the nerfs.

[@saboduh]

Team A opens on team B, blows all CDs and goes ham for 30 seconds and HP bars on team B don’t even move.

[@cainrip89]

I'm melting people I dunno whst you are talking about. Get out of leveling greens

[@nikmo7360]

Yeah damage is pretty insane, in a good way.

[@agentbuckwheat]

I dont understand because I'm doing no damage but people are melting... what am i missing

[@WhatIfTheories]

We need a good Tank Meta. Tanks need to make PvP great again. Prot War feeling great right now.

[@ThoGrey]

Oh dear.

[@okandokandast]

Mainline WoW is just like that TV series you loved that's now been running for too many seasons and sucks. The plot just keeps getting more and more crazy.

[@MannYSJ1080p]

Except you can watch the old seasons and still enjoy them, that's not really the same for classic

[@Acarinn]

I don't believe you can just raid solo, pretty sure it's just a story mode version to see the final boss. Don't think you get loot, and it's not the whole raid? Could be wrong tho

[@common_cross]

Im all for the changes!

[@SQLdb]

Were have you guys been ! I always look forward for skill capped updates.

[@malafazzle7966]

considering their revenue is dependent on the game being good, i will guess they say its better.

[@IshayuG]

I won’t be able to get back into PvP until they clean up the visuals and make it easier to follow the flow of combat. And they just made it a lot worse, and you praised them for it.

[@braidend4379]

They make money off guides. Complexity is their friend.

[@IshayuG]

@@braidend4379 They make money off players.

[@MrChupi1]

Please continue the great work ❤

[@HunterXenios]

Arena is ridiculous in wow now, every class can summon a plethora of pets, melees like ret can do damage 50 percent of my HP before even getting to me. Not playable without addons. Wow is killing its PvP base

[@l_Nightbot_l]

qq

[@DiscoBiz]

micro cc is the worst possible thing in pvp esp arena. i wish devs gave a single fuck about the most fun thing the game has to offer... arena

[@mrmarvin7589]

best pvp class dps/heal atm??

[@aerictoremember03]

The only gripe I have with PVP is how ridiculous Fury Warriors are. The NUKE.

[@danielmikusek1685]

I am glad I stop playin.. played all DF seasons and gained 2,2k as healer in SS.. But man, pvp sucks so bad..

[@derrickhead]

people always say enhancement sucks then it be that one who bodies the entire lobby i think the top players who player other classes just dont play it but it still can win just like anybody else

[@Sychotix-fc8bw]

It's over bros

[@HanSoloxcs]

Russian bot lol

[@Kaldrean]

I’m worried about the matches becoming deep dampening this expansion. Any PvP season that regularly goes into deep dampening is a snooze fest in my book. 10 minute arena matches are exhausting and draining, adds significantly to burn out when the matches regularly go into heavy dampening.

[@macp988]

Can casters play arenas yet in solo shuffle? Or still every cast is kicked stunned incapped and all melees focus you?😅

[@ZachTblack]

Omg everyone has so much health it’s just spamming cd it’s too messy

[@knifetoucher]

7:18 cries in caster MW

[@aaronbooth200]

A bunch of negative Nancys in these comments. Having a blast playing PvP so far and can’t wait for the season to start.

[@Breaking_Bot]

No kidding I'm having a blast

[@strugl3snugle245]

Pvp feels fantastic. You don't die in one global and you actually have time to think and play. TTK shouldn't be CoD ttk in Wow.

[@solberg7065]

Time to think?? It's not a single thing to think about while fighting, cc don't matter, spells hit like wet noodles, the only thing to do is to follow your "max dps rotation" addon, you can literally go to the toilet in the middle of an arena without dying

[@Grayz_TV]

Notice how BG Blitz wasn't mentioned once in this video. My predictions were correct @ no content for it from SC. I'll have my insane amounts of fun regardless. Peace

[@vanhavihtahousu666]

Biggest change in TWW: bg blitz is the new arena.

[@bertreynolds8146]

Blizzard has always treated PvP like a side quest, there's no surprise they mix pve into it. It really sucks

[@StrobeFireStudios]

everyone saying enhance sucks while my Tempest crits people for almost 2 million damage. hahaha! little do they know they're just repeating an incorrect echo chamber.

[@heavymetal_warrior]

We need a new mmr system

[@xpotion7686]

There is no saving the old form of pvp in modern wow.. The only solution is with these classic versions coming out, to form some combo of wrath/cata/mop and break that out into its own game, probably f2p then if its good enough they could use it to market more players into trying retail pve

[@PauloZionlight]

i was thinking about come back to retail, but after seeing this video i might not

[@XXLepic]

Need early tier list 🙏

[@MasterSwisher]

Everything about this expansion is the right direction for WoW and it's future.

[@perkan8290]

im gonna go open my fridge now hoping something have spawned there even tho I just checked. Hope never dies!

[@aces8481]

RIP WoW pvp

[@HanSoloxcs]

QQ baby boy

[@aojdaoidjaoifj681]

3:30 the WoW south park episode lol

[@SoApost]

when your business model is to sell PvP info and help, the answer is: OF COURSE ITS GOOD!!!

[@DiscoBiz]

why not wait until it actually comes out to make videos like this? is anything different now that season is a week been out

[@hordeath5167]

I guess they focusing main outdated problems for this xpac like alts, gearing, etc. Next xpac will be huge diff. So i guess TWW last suffer lets see

[@Effidja]

If pvp is like pve now im out.

[@georgi_hrv]

I never understood the "button bloat" or complexity issues a lot of the pvp players seem to have I mean it sounds ABSURD for a mage or a shaman in the warcraft universe to only be able to cast like 5 spells. If you don't want "button bloat" there's league you got your 4 or so spells and thats it. Personally the big amount of tools and things the classes can do feeds into the fantasy mastering a complex pvp system makes it all that much rewarding at the end of the day

[@IshayuG]

There are too many spells and effects flying around at any given moment. People can’t read their combat situation. It’s insanely annoying. Not to mention the amount of binds run low on some classes. I think most would like 20-30 abilities per class.

[@georgi_hrv]

@@IshayuG I could settle for 20-25, but I'd say I agree with something like 30 being about just right. But I've heard a lot of people wanting 5 to 10 which I can understand why, but it's just absurd to me

[@nagynorbie]

And that's precisely why people are abandoning WoW pvp and moving on to League, or other games. It's crazy how 4-6 spells are enough to create a complex, competitive game that millions of players can enjoy, while WoW pvp is dead. Have fun with your class fantasy while you wait 1 hour in a solo shuffle queue.

[@georgi_hrv]

@@nagynorbie Brother, I play both games and enjoy both, I am completely aware that Im in a minority about this take, but it just makes much more sense sorry but a mage casting only frostbolt, fireball and blink and then having every other class do the same with a reskin is just retarded. And let's be honest it's not the 4 spells of the league champions that give most of the game's complexity

[@MrJeremydb91]

Game has become way too complicated (not just this one…all games). Simple can be fun!

[@fernandolamasalban4502]

They need to make pve talents with a lot of aoe buffwd dmg and normal talents, with some pvp talents in without all this areas

[@solberg7065]

Pvp is in the worst place it has ever been, cc doen't matter, spells hit like wet noodles, I actually felt bad the other day when it was 4 dps vs my healer in WSG, they just gave up and ran away, retail pvp is terrible right now

[@Phanski89]

can you make a fun of BM hunter next video so the get buffs like ENH?

[@TravelFar2]

Why must blizzard always f*ck up enhanchment shamans, my favorite class and specc. its just disgusting really

[@Alexcv215]

Why is enhancement sooo difficult for blizzard to make fun in PvP? That was the perfect introduction and the saddest introduction.

[@lout9231]

Haven’t played retail properly since MOP, this battleground blitz stuff has suddenly got me pretty excited to come back. Still going to ruin every lobby playing an offensive shockadin though sorry

[@EddieJarnowski]

Pvp doesn't make the huge amount of money that mythics and raiding do so blizz doesn't care about it.

[@excelsior9638]

RIP wow pvp. Hope Blizz tries to mitigate some of the major concerns asap.

[@trandaf92]

Sparks are still required:)

[@willemjan7687]

This didn’t age well 😂

[@BigManJay69]

I skipped an entire expansio. I quite liked pvp in shadowlands. In this worth getting a gpu for and coming back to wow?

[@onkek]

More people competitively pet battle than there are pvpers.

[@Fen3rbahce]

lol the maker of this video is basically crying bc you can’t kill ppl in a cc anymore , he probably played rogue or mage and thinks PvP was better back then , most of these people are living in nostalgia ,for it’s time it was the best and they are living in the past memories . The game is better than it’s used to be despite the minor cons he brought up on this video .

[@9Hookr9]

Idk if this is even worth posting here but here goes. I was playing at the end of dragonflight and I started really dipping my toes back into pvp since I hadn't in awhile. I had been doing 2v2 as an affliction warlock with amelee dps partner. The thing is, it felt absolutely terrible, to the point that it made me quit, it felt hopeless, like I had no chance long term. I even tried demo and destro. I've done pvp as a warrior, hunter, and mage in the past and never had this experience. I guess my question is what's up? Is aff just harder? Or are certain specs just not viable in certain situations? AKA aff in 2's without a healer? I quit wow because if I can't at least be somewhat viable everywhere then what's the point of paying money to play it.

[@Lacertos]

Aff was absolutely trash in 2v2 without a healer in Dragonflight. It was a spec that thrived on cleaving and dealing consistent damage that eventually becomes too much for the enemy team to heal, it doesn't match at all the bursty play style needed to make 2 dps work in 2s.

[@VuHoangSang-zq5yu]

Enhance shaman is the real one

[@Magechad]

Cool, i watched this video to see if i can be motivated to try tww, after watching this im even more convinced i'll stay away from tww. Seems sadly to be just very bad :/ paying 50 bucks or so to stay 40mins in shuffle que

[@pdubz6169]

Masters degree in yapology

[@WarcraftPappy]

Tier list asap plzzzzzzzz

[@1990rable]

is tww good so far? cant tell

[@wowFTWwow1]

But the solo raid is for story purposes only. It serves no purpose for gearing or anything else…

[@FTW_Wolf]

i played 2 bg games and uninstalled what game are you playing ? 🤣

[@evaldasraisutis3058]

Solo queue rbgs not even mentioned?

[@jusibai813]

legion is the most pve like version. just do pve damage and waiting damapning

[@AlyceEckardt-j9t]

Leannon Turnpike

[@Danvik91]

Actually retail pvp sucks.

[@bigknockersOO]

I think it is pretty fun so far outside of how broken Mage RNG roots are. It is carrying the class right now.

[@estllc427]

Elxokas: 💀

[@Alithia451]

Too many CCs, healers can tank 3 DPS.

[@ericsilva7430]

All that matter to me is easy to get top pvp gear, give me that and i play any stuff/version of wow they make... All i want is to do Bgs all day long and not have to try hard to get gear... Classic servers sucks because u can't get gear without all the drama and hardwork... I play vanilla on a private server just because getting gear is easy there...

[@Lauscus]

When in doubt, dig on casual players. It's not a prob b/c they never fight back, cuz they are casuals lmao. Follow the money. While ya'll are losing your jobs pushing for 3k in arena, casuals are spending the real money and the devs are gonna cater to that. Not the shrill that is the PVP community.

[@drjagged]

If anyone cares , I clicked this cuz of the new thumb and title.

[@towelie5997]

What happened to your original thumb?

[@shawnburns3996]

I wouldn’t say it’s better. Kinda feels the same as DF