Why Yoda's Species Is SO POWERFUL | None Have Turned to the Dark Side

[@Vaerah]

"The dark side isn't stronger, just easier." Kind of illuminating to hear Yoda clarify the simple fact so many jedi had ignored. Philosophically applicable to this world too.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

He also never says that it's weaker than the Light Side; he says to Ventress in the first episode of 2008 TCW "strong in the Dark Side you are, young one," *extinguishes her lightsabers remotely,* "but not that strong ([strong enough to defeat me]). Much more to learn have you." Ventress has much more to learn about the Force, *whichever Side she chooses,* before she can fight him. Which Side is "better" ultimately depends on the situation; both the Jedi and Sith Codes have flaws that result in adherents becoming detached from their humanity and not being able to accomplish whatever their true goals are. It is the dogmatic teachings of both orders that have prevented things like the liberation of Tatooine.

[@DecimusCaesar]

it's so much easier to be evil than good

[@jagnestormskull3178]

@@DecimusCaesar It's so much easier to claim to be good while living in a bubble that ignores problems on worlds like Kessel and Tatooine.

[@DecimusCaesar]

@@jagnestormskull3178 fr, they never had any troubles where they had to act "evil" to save themselves or the ones they love

[@xTyrone]

@@jagnestormskull3178 Jedi Junkies?

[@matthewclement300]

I think yoda's species is meant to mirror the original sith species in regards to their primal connection to the force. The sith were so connected to the dark side of the force that they actively helped it grow and become stronger. In return they learned to control it to the point where it powered their technology and every aspect of who they were as a culture. I believe this is the case with Yoda's species because they seen what happened to the sith when they got too reckless.

[@bryancole4022]

Or maybe yoda's species was the polar opposite of the spectrum. Great theory!

[@DragonZombie2000]

​@@bryancole4022I mean yes, that's exactly what he's saying

[@johnnyjericho8472]

@@bryancole4022 Wow...Dumb.

[@AMorphicTool]

I remember in the clone wars animated series that when meeting the force ghost of Qui Gon Jinn and the [I presume] celestials, Yoda was instructed in preserving his consciousness after death. One of these trials was coming face to face with a dark side version of himself. Yoda initially fought his dark side before finally coming to the realisation that in order to be complete, to merge with the living force, he must accept all parts of himself. To me this said that while Yoda may have seemed immune to the dark side it was only because of his extreme resistance due to centuries of Jedi dogma. Becoming one with the living force seems to require balance in all things. Even your own dark side.

[@PhantomCookie87]

Bro, that hits right in the feels lol

[@tomblackwell9890]

Carl Jung 101

[@Silverobots]

Good insight

[@humane143imperfection6]

Yep, time made him resistant. I think that anyone given enough human lifetimes would find themselves in the unique position of seeing what the destructive potential of the dark side begets long term. You quite literally know too much to ever succumb to the dark side, you can't deny logic and have to act in accordance with. This is why true evil (outside of relative perspective) can't exist forever, everything must be followed to its logical conclusion or else entropy reigns supreme and zero course of action can be followed effectively.

[@b2wshadow012]

Brilliant analysis

[@DanielGrovePhoto]

I was excited when in the Mandalorian they mentioned that Din would be taking him home and searching for his homeworld unfortunately that story line was quickly dropped. I love where the show went but the adventure of finding that world and meeting Yoda's people could of been an awesome world building story.

[@Seffyzero]

That was never the plan. The plan was always to return Grogu to "his people", which they in that very same scene identified as the Jedi. The Jedi was his people. Din was reluctant to do this, if you recall, because traditionally the Jedi were considered enemies by the Mandalorians. They were never going to go find Grogu's homeworld, or others of his race.

[@adamhammond9985]

@@Seffyzero "You expect me to search the entire Galaxy and deliver the Child to a race of enemy sorcerers?"

[@Matt-d94843]

I would love to see a series on yoda’s origin and his experiences or a series on on grogu as he grows as a being and in the force.

[@stacktus9158]

I would love to see a “what if” where Yoda briefly turns like Revan did just to annihilate Sidious.

[@Mrakatsuki190]

Shut up and take my money

[@Letsbebadatvideogames]

Same

[@lordnihilus4845]

There’s is a book where count Dooku meets yoda for one final time where he shows Dooku that if yoda turned to the dark side what could happen and it scared the living nuts off Dooku Yoda used the dark side to show his former padawan what would happen if yoda would turn

[@chriswest5360]

@@lordnihilus4845 what is the name of that book?

[@lordnihilus4845]

@@chriswest5360 I think it was the 2004 called the dark rendezvous

[@alkipop_pop]

Yoda's species pretty much have what the sith wants " a longer life or a brief immortality" with that in mind there really is no reason for one of his kind to become a sith specially the old cause they know all to well that a long life aint all that great losing your friends and all that. Plus I bet yoda had ticked a few boxes in his bucket list in those 900-1k years not much to regret same for his species

[@Skywalker8510]

I'm going to use this comment to get this thought out there I think maybe Yoda was trained in the dark side as a child around the same age as grogu before the Jedi got to him and turned him to the light and that's why he had to face a dark version of himself and accept that it is part of him that he no longer focuses on.

[@GameslordXY]

You find a new friends in that long life.

[@slothofficial1512]

@@Skywalker8510 As much as I value this comment, because it is a great concept, Yoda’s legends origins contradict this as he and his friend were trained on a planet by a Jedi.

[@Thor-1764]

@@slothofficial1512 legends isn't part of Canon tho(it never was even before disney). So we still have no idea. Which means his theory could still be possible anything not in canon can still be possible regardless of what happened in legends

[@rabbittris]

@@Thor-1764 The it never was you're thinking of old legends that was before Disney current legends was cannon.

[@fundamentalconvolution1749]

Is it possible that Yoda's species has a more primal connection to the Force than most any other species, and considering how innately destructive the Dark Side is, to fully give into it would overwhelm and destroy their bodies as well as their minds?

[@chandlerh2511]

If this were true I think yoda would have been aware of it. Instead he shows Dooku that giving into the dark side would have made him far more powerful than Sidious. Im sure it would still have taken a toll on his mind and body, but he makes it seem as if he would have been able to easily control it. I like the assumption that since their species ages so slowly, they have a different outlook on life from most other species. Whereas a species that only lived a century might look to, even need the dark side to achieve a certain amount of power before their death, Yodas species has plenty of time to master the light to the point where they can even delve into the dark without succumbing to it. Fully converting to the dark side would be an objective mistake for any of their species, unless they were already near the end of their life, because they would just be limiting their potential. Wins the race, slow and steady does.

[@kingofsauce1319]

I think alot of it is their natural lifespans being extremely long. When you live 9 centuries there isn't much reason to fear death/want to acquire more power which is a common thread amongst sith

[@ryleighs9575]

I do like the idea that the light and dark side shouldn't necessarily have to be symmetrical. Like, they aren't two sides of the same coin from any living being's perspective - one promotes harmony while the other promotes destruction. One of those is good for living beings and the other is bad, in every case.

[@VizkalMaui]

@Sandra Swan The Jedi see that only the light side should exist and the dark side shouldn’t, to them that’s balance.

[@GLUFSAREN]

@Sandra Swan They are not smart enough to understand that you need darkness and light. It's how you use it that matters. Light without darkness is not balance. But that's what the Jedi order preach. If Luke actually did restore balance to the force when he ended the Emperors reign (he didn't die) There wouldnt be any more sith or dark side people, but you can't do that. They will always exist. Because as long as the Light exist so does the dark.

[@paullee4665]

FWIW. Although Minch is officially a separate character than Yoda, the original intent of the writer for the Minch story was that Minch was a young Yoda. It was based on the idea that Yoda's wisdom, especially about the dangers of anger, was based on personal experience. It explored the idea that a young Yoda might have been quick to anger. Minch's master, T'dai, was named after an all you can eat sushi buffet chain called Todai. Their ship, the Takara, was named after the toy company Takara Tomy. Minch was so named because Yoda's originally going to be Minch. I am 100% sure of all this because I wrote that story for Star Wars Tales.

[@elpelirrojopeligroso]

Damn…this was so well laid out and articulated. Seeing stuff like this makes me realize how deep Star Wars is. It opens up a whole different level to enjoy. Thanks for making this.

[@omarigrays1047]

Man i totally agree with you bro i learned some much just from this video

[@lordofpain3476]

I believe that Minch and Yoda are the same person , and that battle on Dagabah is what caused a change in him. Because he briefly touched the dark side he became the character that we know . He dropped his first name and decided to only use his last name , Yoda . He vowed to only ever use the light side . Why else would Yoda know about a backwater swamp world like Dagabah ? After his total failure leading the jedi as their grandmaster , he decided to hide from Emperor Palpatine and Lord Vader on the planet of his other great failure . Which is probably why he rarely ever spoke of his master , because after his mission on Dagabah ..... His master was ashamed of him .

[@Menibor1]

Lol get a life dude

[@ViolosD2I]

He just didn't want to become famous as "Minge Master", that's all.

[@EddyA1337]

@@Menibor1 lol

[@GMS-ChaabarYakalATL]

@@Menibor1 lmao gotem

[@GLUFSAREN]

@@Menibor1 Look in the Mirror and say that again.

[@serverus766]

They "all have people they feel love, and care for, and thus is the source of their power" This stuck with me because, as you pointed-out, this goes entirely against the Jedi teachings, yet these specific characters go on to be the most powerful Jedi to ever exist. And, as also mentioned before, they have all delved into the darkside if just to understand it. They control it. This sounds more like a Grey Jedi philosophy than a true Jedi.

[@ghostchantt1120]

I feel like you could make a whole trilogy Just on Yoda's Species, and people would watch the hell out of it.

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

Honestly, it would be fascinating to have the chance to officially learn more about Yoda's species, given how little we know about them. I believe that a big part of the reason why people grew so fond of Grogu so quickly is because of the same reasons: there are very few examples of their species seen in canon, so this was another possible way to gain some insight into what exactly their species is like

[@1987StoneAge]

I’d rather they never went into it further. It would ruin the mystique of the the species

[@GLUFSAREN]

They have 900 years of content from Yodas life to explore. It would be a travesty not to do so.

[@Bearical]

Disney+ show

[@telepathy90]

This would be super cool

[@OreadNYC]

Yoda's interaction with his own dark side reminds me of the old proverb attributed to various cultures about the two animals inside every person, one light and one dark -- the stronger one being the one the person feeds more. It makes sense that every Jedi would have a dark side because they're so powerful and power tends to corrupt even if the person originally intends to use that power for good (as people sometimes say, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions"). One drawback to power is the potential for succumbing to pride since that has been described as the gateway to other forms of temptation. Also, there is every reason to believe that Jedi despite their extensive training sometimes do still fall prey to anger and fear. If the Jedi were somehow immune or invulnerable to this, then the discipline would not mean as much as it unquestionably does -- and furthermore, while it might be difficult if not impossible to turn Jedi to the way of the Sith, the Jedi would probably also have great difficulty experiencing compassion and empathy for other beings. Perhaps the real challenge for a Jedi is not really learning how to avoid or fight anger and fear but learning how to accept them without giving into them. Yoda's advice to Anakin was always about accepting the possible loss of Padme and Shmi but Anakin either couldn't or wouldn't -- and as a result, at least in Padme's case, he ended up facilitating the one thing he feared most.

[@Lucretia916]

There are two dogs inside of you You are a white woman

[@NugatRensen]

what proverb ?

[@OreadNYC]

@@NugatRensen The proverb to which I refer has been attributed to a variety of different cultures such as China (in which the two animals are usually two tigers) and pre-colonial America (in which the two animals are usually two wolves). The proverb says that every person has two of these animals inside them, one of which is noble (symbolizing our ethical side) and the other of which is savage (symbolizing our egotistical side). The parable often features a young boy who asks an elder which one of the two animals is stronger. The elder responds that the animal which the person feeds more -- meaning the side which a person more often chooses as the guiding factor in his or her actions -- will inevitably be the one which is stronger.

[@Deltaprimal]

my theory of what is Yoda's Species, is that it is simply "Jedi" since the Sith were their own race, but the name was taken for dark side users.

[@codyseggerman3959]

no the Jehdai (probably spelling that wrong) were a species of humanoid creatures. And they didn't have a dark or light side. Their creed was completely different than the jedi creed. It wasn't until the first sith war that things changed for the jedi, because they were almost completely wiped out by the sith species. Read the comics!

[@POPGROUPALT2]

@@codyseggerman3959 oh wait i thought u were talking about the jedi srry

[@Seffyzero]

@@codyseggerman3959 If you are talking about the Je'daii, they were never a race. The Je'daii Order (not to be confused by the Jedi Order lol) were a collection of dozens of species originally taken from their homeworlds to form a new balance collective that believed in the Force as three aspects of a whole; the Ashla (Light), the Bogan (Dark), and the Bendu (balance). There was never a Jedi or Je'daii species, not in the same way as there was a Sith pureblood species.

[@looksirdroids9134]

@@Seffyzero Star Wars stole the word "Bogan" from us. Us being Australians.

[@stephenmisener1659]

Its likely just a species that pops up randomly. Like they just manifest somewhere random.

[@gonhunter3994]

Yoda's species is badass. Imo their immense power is because they're the analog of the Sith species, & were named "Je'daii" but were inherently tied to the light & gave their knowledge to the galaxy

[@adriandiaz-cabrera1733]

I don't think the Je'daii was a species...was it?

[@reaperking7748]

@@adriandiaz-cabrera1733 No. The Je'deii is not a species. The Je'deii was an order who study the ways of both the light and dark side of the force, and was the precursor to both the Jedi and Sith orders.

[@alcostello6114]

I’d love for that theory to be true

[@Uncivil_Dreams]

yodas species isnt the je’daii, these are two completely different subjects

[@gonhunter3994]

@@reaperking7748 that's just a theory

[@timnolan1802]

The idea of their long lifespan enhancing their perspective, and not having to take the quick and easy path is an amazing insight. This has been a concept I've heard in other scifi genres, but never quite explained properly.

[@kevinryan7535]

That puts a whole new light on Yoda's species. I kinda wish Yoda spent more time studying the dark side since he did have all the time in the galaxy. Then he could better explain why the dark side is so tempting and teach better ways to combat those techniques.

[@Madkklown]

Agree.

[@yagamijubei28]

It was shown in clone wars. He had to go to a sith temple to face his fear and he became capable to learn the Jedi's most powerful ability.

[@vayde]

He who studies evil, is studied by evil.

[@musclegeek1991]

It's an interesting perspective that Yoda's long life caused him to inadvertently handle the Anakin issue poorly. I can definitely see how, despite his wisdom, he may not have realized how calloused and uncaring his advice would have sounded to a young human (literally an infant in Yoda years) scarred by war....

[@lukecash3500]

There could have been dark side leaning members of Yoda's species in the Legends lore back on Tython. There the Great Pyramids, force imbued and space travel capable artifacts, had returned after collecting force sensitive people from around the galaxy. There's more than a little suggestion that Yoda's species also answered the call when the Pyramid came. If so they would be living on a world with two moons, Ashla and Bogan, which were charged with either the light or dark side of the force. The Jedaii (not Jedi) society there that grew from people collected by the Pyramids were force universalists who lived on a planet that would have natural disasters if too much of either side of the force influenced the world. So, anyone who leaned too heavily to one side was temporarily exiled to whichever moon was the opposite so they could focus for a time on that instead, and rebalance. Of course in the Sith Wars after that, there could have been members of Yoda's species who hopped onto that side of the fence instead.

[@P1_M1ND]

True Star Wars fan.

[@MikeV671]

That’s so true, it’s easier to do bad. And not giving into temptation can be sometimes impossible. It takes much more discipline and training to master the light side. But turning to the dark side can happen almost instantly.

[@ishaltnotdono4784]

I feel like Yoda's species acknowledges both the dark and light keeping them in the middle of freedom to choose a true ying and yang species of force and patience as they can control both sides instead of be controlled but most go to the jedi side as they are more gentle and kind that what the sith is now

[@Tekkless17]

Agreeed

[@levy9595]

Well Yoda definitely didn't acknowledge the dark side lol, he spent hundreds of years believing the sith were destroyed, and got so prideful and comfortable in the jedi and their place and power in the Republic that he couldn't see what was right in front of him. Yoda was as anti dark side as it gets, to a fault even.

[@ChrisPBacon-jl7oc]

Ye nah. Yodas species is just a inctedibly force sensitive long living one. They defo feel the dark like the light but they do not keep it in balance. Grogu is 50 and is force crushing force choking and stuff, yoda is 900 and only uses the light side. Time creates the perspective your talking about, if grogu was 900 years old he would be ok with letting go of mando and wouldnt feel the need to fight his battles.

[@jonathaneby9485]

Maybe we don't see any dark side yodas because in taking the easy dark way to power, they end up dying very young, instead of having the patience and wisdom to let things go. I wonder if we'll see that happen with Grogu. But actaully, I don't see disney taking that route.

[@a.o.skurtt]

I think grogu might end up being a grey jedi, as he'll be brought up by the mandalorian and have a different set of values. altho ofc hes already had a couple decades of jedi training

[@drewhessler4698]

"Luke will be able to help grogu process these emotions properly" this couldn't have been more wrong haha

[@MagmaSevenChannel]

Unfortunatly they have to tie it with the sequels... Too bad :\

[@GREENHOUSE_LIGHTSHOW]

@@MagmaSevenChannel Yeah i knew they'd have to tie it in at some point but it still hurts to see Luke not be himself again.

[@looksirdroids9134]

@@MagmaSevenChannel Hating on the sequels is getting really old. You're only doing it because other people do it. You're just a herd animal.

[@Brakka86]

I hope the little guy becomes a mandalorian in stead of a jedi. Would be so much better to follow the way than the jedi code. Grogu son of Mandalore, wielder of the Darksaber.

[@TheQuintessentialBM]

I wouldn't be surprised if Grogu falls to the dark side.

[@jmdesertadventures803]

Bringing balance to the force, means balancing the light and dark sides within oneself. Missing this is a key flaw in both force ideologies.

[@tinnitusattack]

I always understood the balance of the force to be just that. A balance. The jedi were misguided to try and eliminate the sith and visa versa. Anakin did bring balance to the force. There were tons of jedi and few sith, and thus anakin did balance it. The force, not worried about the political control. Just the force. You can't have light without dark. So like the Sith were a race, Yodas races was the opposite. Just a natural evolution with the ligh side.

[@justinsimmons6949]

Wouldn't darkside users with the knowledge of the force be able to harness the control of the Midi-chlorian? Thus like Sidious said be able stop people from even dying?

[@fiorrytommy9429]

balance doesn't mean 50/50... jedis work for balance, sith work for unbalance. to have balance in the force there must be no sith

[@geoffreyvanrijn4867]

@@fiorrytommy9429 there is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish

[@fiorrytommy9429]

@@geoffreyvanrijn4867 nah this is not the plot of star wars, that's your view on life.

[@frumpsterfire]

@@fiorrytommy9429 But is it really balance if the force leans entirely to one side?

[@danjordan1]

Outrageous this is!

[@Controle9165]

More of this brother long in-depth break downs of the most interesting theory’s of Star Wars 🙏

[@gnarrcan108]

Honestly Grogu and his species are so in tuned to the force, it’s probably impossible to for him to cut himself off from the force. I’ve heard the theories that grogu is the mandalorian and will one day wield the dark saber. I think that works and his unique experience being a mandalorian foundling will definitely make him stronger in some ways and weaker in others.

[@aptheshooter9759]

This is a cool theory but in order to weild the Dark Saber you must defeat the weilder in battle. Din and Grogu fighting would be crazy!!

[@bubbaphett8501]

That theory is stupid

[@Whoami691]

I think Revan was the only one who understood neither side has the answer. He understood that there needs to be light and dark and pursued the entirety of the force, he yearned to know everything, no matter what side it was aligned with, and this thirst for knowledge turned him into arguably the most powerful force user that has ever existed. It is possible to used the darkside without being controlled or succcumbing to it, just as it is possible to do good without adhering to the lightside. Revan literally chose the dark side in an effort to save the galaxy but never actually syccumbed to it, he did it out of nessecity, understanding that he had to fight fire with fire to stop the true sith from returning. He was a true strategic genius and astoudingly powerful with the force.

[@HenSt-gz7qj]

then EA nerf'd him.

[@tuckerchambers4338]

All of this is true except for the part about him being arguably the most powerful force user that ever existed.... Definitely not, not even close and as a matter of fact it's so far off that it's kind of laughable. This is all Canon but I'm not linking look it up if you don't believe, but just the name of few that would obliterate him with 0 effort at all... Darth nihilus, this dude was able to feel the force users on a planet and drain them of their life force heading to his own strength while annihilating everything on the planet hence the name. Ol palps had the ability (while not in movies but it is canon) to send Force lightning storms thousands of light years away... He actually mentioned that he was gaining strength to the point that he would soon be able to annihilate entire planets with it... As it was he could kill most of everything just not EVERYTHING. VADER lol go watch the video on how much Vader can lift with the force. Dude broke it down scientifically. BTW he bench pressed an ocean hundreds of meters down on a planet with three times normal Earth gravity. Retarded, the only word for it. (Also ripping the ship out of the sky as it was trying to take off last week was pretty sick but I'm pretty sure Revan could copy the ship thing. And last the guy that put everybody to shame the single most powerful force user aside from the celestials (the father,the son,the daughter) of all time bar none. Talkin bout Darth fkn Vitiate. Single-handedly mind slaved (not just a trick, full on puppet mode) 8000 Sith Lords simultaneously... Then proceeds to wipe out an entire planet draining the life force of every living thing on it gaining a quasi immortality and... He also forcibly removed the force itself from the planet.... "Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us, binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." ----Yoda He took it. All of it. Into himself and gained the ability to move his consciousness freely in and out of his body attaining spiritual immortality as well as the fact that his body itself live for thousands of years after. He even bestowed some of his own power on to others who then lived for nearly a thousand years themselves. I didn't mean to rant I actually agree like I said with everything except for revan being the strongest.... He is actually my favorite Force user bar none. Only snips comes close to him in my heart Edit.... Oh yeah and before anybody says that revan beat The outlander, and The outlander beat Vitiate.... At this point Vitiate was ancient and weak.... Also not dead because consciousness is immortal.... Meaning that hes still out there... could actually be in a movie or something AFTER the events of ROS even though the Old Republic was thousands of years before.... He could literally just take another body from someone.

[@matthewzablocki5310]

@@tuckerchambers4338 star killer literally pulled a star destroyer down from orbit. Ik he's not canon (yet) but he's still my favorite.

[@evil1st]

if Yoda had learned both sides like Windu he probably could have taken on Sideous and Vader himself

[@jef6438]

@@tuckerchambers4338 well said i have read every word u typed with such hype. i do wanna add some more the idea Darth Vader dint lose all his limps how powerfull would he be?! in cannon Vader went to mustafar open a portal to find his wife. image he could snap his full boddy like the sith who used that portal to get a version of him back in to the real world. that would be fap story for all star wars fans! sure in that story he saw his "son" the story was written to connect Vaders storry with luke. but lets say "if" they used a diffrend concept with the goal to uplift Vader they could do some Creazy insane Dark side Stuff with that content. Vader would not only hit his full power but haveing something of his own like the other hardcore true siths. that is unique to Vader "that portal on mustafar" and things he could or might have done with it would be feared for Ages of time!!

[@alex.scaraoschi]

I think if what Dooku said of Yoda's dark side is true then he could've easily kicked Sidious' behind during their duel. But I think Yoda, especially after his experiences we've seen in S6 of TCW had grown even wiser than before. I think he realized that even if the Sith were taking over it was still something ephemeral. Like you said, he knew to wait patiently and I think at the moment he decided to crawl through that hole at the bottom of the Senate hall he became fully aware that was the will of the Force. Otherwise, I imagine he could've resumed the fight and dispose of the clone guards that had arrived with relative ease afterwards. But I think he felt the Force was telling him to let go and find another way, a way that required patience and learning from the mistakes and failures of the past. If there's one thing I agree with the disney abominations is when Yoda as a Force ghost tells Luke failure is the great master or something. Yoda accepted his failure after dueling Sidious and then sought refuge to learn from it. And just like Yaddle in captivity he waited for the right time.

[@emiliocrespo1479]

nah he is not strong enough to reach palps thats why he didn´t try to confront sidious again

[@alex.scaraoschi]

Yea I'm sure he couldn't leap over the senate stands again

[@alex.scaraoschi]

@@bakinitright6637 alas, disney... That's why I will stop spending time and energy into SW the moment whatever shows are being planned will start converging into those abominations.

[@missudbdr]

Yoda was defeated inot just physical but mentally by Palpatine. That’s why Palpatine tells Yoda “ your arrogance blinds you master yoda” bc at that moment Yoda still didn’t understand that Palpatine had run laps around the Jedi. It isn’t until after the dual Yoda understands what’s really going That’s why he sends himself to exile . It’s the same reason why when he sees’s luke he tells him stuff like “ Great warrior ? “Wars make not one great “ .

[@teezy1234]

@@missudbdr you stupid ? It was a draw both ran away

[@davidwelch2791]

I will never forget when Yoda pulled out his lightsaber and dueled Dooku. You could actually feel the amazement and then the deafening roar of the audience. Be safe and be 😎

[@masonltompkins]

Yoda had the same opinion of both Real Aveross and Anakin; that they were too old and too attached to be trained. Then their character arc turned them to the dark side, or at least nearly. It seems to me that Ashoka's decision not to train Grogu was similarly based. Part of me thinks that means he will turn dark, but I also think that Luke is definitely the best Master for someone who toys with the dark side, and attachment generally.

[@noduhdumb1]

Humans toy with the light and dark are the time.

[@xantishayde-walker4593]

I would agree with most of what you said, except the part about the greatest Master to toy with the Dark Side. How about Kyle Katarn? I think he's got Luke beat by a long shot with the whole Light/Dark Side balance issue.

[@svendhooghe6725]

They used Clone Wars to smooth over episode 2 Anakin with episode 3 Anakin. So I'm thinking they are using Mando to explain hermit Luke in episode 8. What could have caused Luke "i'm not killing my dad" Skywalker to directly go after Ben ( Kylo ) in such a drastic way? Maybe Ben wasn't his first student but training Grogu was such a failure he couldn't risk letting another Dark side user go on a rampage.

[@Salmon_Toastie]

@@svendhooghe6725 At lot of theories point towards grogu taking the chain mail instead of the saber atm.

[@GLUFSAREN]

@@Salmon_Toastie He did indeed.

[@jimmysjamin1]

I think it's very important that we have a true species always true to the good side of the force. I loved the what if scenario but holding true to the good side is iconic because every other known species has had their corrupted turns. My opinion for the Yoda species is it remaines a cut above, but I really love the what if scenario.

[@itsameamattio1752]

I used to watch you all the time and I don't really know what I stopped. Kids take a toll lol. You've taught me a lot of what I know about star wars and I love that. These videos also has a lot of actual life lessons in them taking you time and being patient. so many other lessons that these characters learn themselves and it can directly reflect what's going on in our lives and help guide us on the right path. It makes me happy to watch these again ❤️ amazing content!

[@TheOriginalNyxie]

Title: WHY YODA'S SPECIES IS SO POWERFUL | None have turned to the dark side Thumbnail: there is another

[@FuturesDoubleCup]

It would be cool for the next major canon movie or show to be about someone in yodas species turning dark & how powerful they could be.

[@cockroach389]

I think that Yoda’s species was all force sensitive, and that during the early years of the Jedi order, the Sith used the Sith Temple weapon on Malachor to decimate Yoda’s home world, thus destroying most of his species to just a few of them left, because of his species being so powerful, so they didn’t want a lot of these roaming the galaxy. In doing this, his planet, being filled with many powerful force users of similar high level of force strength, thus turning his world into a Force Wound. Because of this, the Jedi order called on hundreds of Jedi for revenge, thus leading to The Battle of Malachor. Because of these events, Yoda’s species was left decimated and broken by the loss of their home world and since their numbers were dwindled to a handful, decided to erase all memory and evidence of their species and locking away their secrets.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Great story, and brings in the idea of Force Wounds.

[@citiesskylinesmetropolitan8980]

That would be a great series 5 seasons produced by hbo

[@hoopla5502]

@@citiesskylinesmetropolitan8980 produced by hbo? You mean Disney.there is a 0 percent chance HBO is making a star wars anything

[@PhantomsDesire]

To me, with everything I've learned since the first movie in 1977 when my father took me and my brother to see it at the theater. I have been studying everything I can possibly study, especially lately...... Balance is the goal. Sith are dark extreme and Jedi light extreme...... To achieve balance, one should master both light and dark, and know when it's appropriate to use either or both. Ahsoka is a Gray Jedi, and that's where I see actual Balance could be achieved. Grogu, I believe, will come close to this, if not master it. He's already far more experienced than anyone gives him credit for. Little man has PTSD, but is gradually working through this, especially through love and attachment. The Jedi made a mistake deeming it necessary to avoid attachment and love. That philosophy only serves to truly lose what living is about. Pain with loss, through "dark emotions" grief/anger/frustration, etc. It is normal. Every emotion IS part of living. Balance is found through acknowledging and embracing them all while practicing self-control.

[@hectorchachyjimenez8818]

I do think that their species leans more to the light. That being said. The fact that they age slower has somewhat to do with it. Patience is a way to the light. If you have more time you can master anything correctly. Get power quick scheme’s is a way to the dark side…

[@hk9034]

Carious: is there a channel on each Star Wars species? Assumption: Long ago, well before Yoda’s specie was discovered and before their strong connection to the light side. There may have very well been dark side users within Yoda’s species. Due to time and evolution. Those who had used the dark side were lost to history. Knowing how to turn them to the dark side is long forgotten along with those that were on the darkside.

[@davidcurameng]

This was a great video. Really enjoyed learning more about Yoda’s species

[@macwelch8599]

How cool would it have been to be a Yoda in SWTOR?

[@ft_shipper]

I would’ve loved to try Ithorians out too

[@macwelch8599]

@@ft_shipper that would’ve been interesting

[@theostickle2604]

Ming is the young Yoda. From his conversations, Yoda seems to understand the dark side of the force from experience more then study. He might have changed his name as a symbol of rebirth in the force or to distance himself from the younger and darker person he was. As far as turning to the dark side, I think Yadas' species is just as supsestable as any other species. Both the Jedi and the Sith will stop at nothing to raise a member of Yodas' species.

[@GavanWilhite]

This is a really beautiful video, containing way more wisdom than you would expect from a lore video. You can tell the writers here are well-traveled in the realms of ethics and living life with positive impact.

[@omnigar9611]

To fight with your darkness is to loose. To accept it as part of you is to take it's power.

[@bobbykotick1163]

To fight with your grammar is to lose

[@nikosgreek352]

Thank you Lord Plagueis that will suffice.

[@brianlucas7762]

This is outrageous!

[@iowaredneck9416]

To defeat an enemy, you must understand them. We all have light and dark inside of us. It’s what we choose to act on that matters. Understanding the darkness within, but not allowing it to take control, allows for more power in the light. This can be taken many directions in each character or in your own life. For Yoda, a basic example is his ability to absorb lightning attacks from the sith. For me personally, it’s using anger issues to give strength when fighting for others

[@SpontaneousOracle]

But when you entertain the Dark side. Give any place at all for it. It will take you over. You don't have to embrace evil to combat evil. That's a deception in itself. If we live in the light it will displace all darkness.

[@ingolf82]

the picture of what a fully dark-sided Yoda would look like is so incredibly well done, it is super scary. 16:29 is that a WoW Horde symbol necklace, lol, it is exactly the same. whoever did this either is a WoW fan or has no clue what they have done.

[@ddrum619]

I really love the video (and all your videos) thank you for the time and effort you put in. I just wanted to point out one of those "I've only ever read the word" sort of situations -- at 14:05 you pronounce calloused as ca-LOUsd when it is CAL-ist. Not trying to shame, I'm just fascinated by finding conflicts between English spelling and pronunciation in the wild Edit: 14:05 not 14:06

[@arronfrazier7873]

Yoda species are all force sensitive. This is must have been a reason for Yoda wanting to make Windu his apprentice/Padawan learner. Everybody on Windu home planet was force sensitive. You don't have to wonder why, both were the two most powerful members of the Jedi council!

[@Ohioplayer783]

Oh word, I didn't know Windu world was like that

[@Spideythegreat1]

I feel like the dark side would be incredibly detrimental to this species. Their lifespan could possibly s shortened due to the effect that the dark side has ones body. With the amount of power they are connected to, they probably cut their dark reign short by a couple centuries.

[@Kidcuba13]

So what if there were Yoda Species on the dark side but they became so powerful they literally died 👀

[@thaiylooze8217]

Living 900 yrs with hate in your heart would definitely kill you faster. (So they most likely wouldn’t even make it to 900)

[@skyesilverwing8922]

I still say the Small number of Members of Yoda's race and their power says more about the level of force power needed for them to leave their home world, than it does about the overall power of the race as a whole. I figure that outside of these few, none of their race are strong enough with the Force to be called off of their home world.

[@chrisdjernaes9658]

Excellent and Thought Provoking Summary. Thanks for doing all the work.

[@Reevesi]

A series about Yoda's life leading up to Star Wars would be awesome.

[@thepangwin902]

I like to think Yoda's species evolved and lived in isolation on a planet heavy and strong in the force. Like the whole planet is a Dagaba Cave. And so they evolved being one with the force naturally. The ancients were so strong in the force it would make the strongest Jedi look like an outsider to the force. The species and planet may still exist somewhere in an unkown region. Some great catalyst forced many of them to flee the planet and spread out into space. Maybe a dozen maybe a hundred of them. They are in remote areas mainly but a few and their decendents found their way into the core. Maybe Yoda comes from a small group that had a community on Degaba but Yoda and Yaddle are the last of them. Actually twins like Lu and La.

[@angelcorrea985]

The dagobah cave is just where a powerful sith died. They stain an area when they die. Jorus C'boath is who died there. Luke in the Timothy zhan books flies in the area of space outside of endor and he feels Palpatines stain and his ship has some electrical failures while he passes through

[@thepangwin902]

@@angelcorrea985 That's pretty cool. I have a few gaps of knowledge in the Legends books but I did see the dagobah cave show up again in a limited comic series 'Snoke'. Snoke takes Kylo there for some training and when Kylo goes into the cave he sees and kills his father and his uncle. Trying to put some more weight on the "I know what I have to do." line I suppose. Seems like for now the new cannon aligns with the old Zhan books. Makes sense as Zhan wrote alot for the new canon too.

[@skleroosis]

It's obviously because they're so cute when young so everyone adores them and gives them lots of love resulting in high self-confidence and excellent mental health.

[@sokutokh3521]

I feel like Palpatine (if he knew about Grogu) would believe Grogu to be the perfect apprentice.

[@TheNinjaman16]

is it strange that, in the casual "may the force be with you" after a calm talk/explanation its almost effecting me emotionally, got my literate portion heavily invested in that story it seems.

[@Ryokai395]

Maybe the force is like yin and yang. And Yoda's species understands that and uses both sides of the force. I think that would be awesome!

[@violetlight1548]

I think that, just like how the Sith were originally a species, Yoda's species *are* the original Jedi. So much of the Jedi creed seems tailor-made for them in particular, like the no attachments thing. It would be detrimental for them to form attachments to others who would live such a shorter time than they do, so they *must* learn to let go, and perhaps do not really understand the urgency affecting more "hasty" species like humans (to paraphrase another long-lived and wise species). Grogu's most difficult lesson is yet to come, when Din Djarrin reaches the end of his natural lifespan (which may be sooner rather than later considering the dangerous lives of Mandalorians). However, with Luke's new Jedi order waiting for him, and his own affinity towards the Light, he will prevail.

[@KneesOfTheBees]

"when Djin Djarrin reaches the end of his natural lifespan(which may be sooner rather than later..." Well.. If its sooner its not really the end of his natural lifespan?

[@crazebane4394]

No it's all based on how George Lucas writes a story he can write the story to change everything people believe because it's all based on what they believe and not factual it's all a guessing game unless it's written that way by George Lucas

[@JoniukasVader]

It's Unfair!!!

[@harrymcdougall7923]

How can you be on the counsel and NOT be a master!!?!

[@ttantrum7948]

4:55 Let's not forget that there are light versions of every darkside power. Including Force Lightning and Choke. And that Grogu using force choke is not inherently dark. All force is balanced, the intent behind the action determines light or dark.

[@musclegeek1991]

Choke is just applied telekinesis. I'm not sure if Grogu actually used force choke or just used the force to lift and hold.... I don't remember. But choking someone with the force is definitely a dark side thing, due to the intent behind it. It's unnecessarily lethal.

[@syfor2237]

Also there is a Jedi (I forget the name) that has yellow force lightning

[@bubbaphett8501]

@@syfor2237 Plo Koon, he calls his force light electric judgement

[@omarigrays1047]

@ The Stupendous Wave, you did an amazing job of telling all about yoda and his background/ other yodas

[@northerncrozz8449]

i stumble upon one of ur vids and i end up binging for hours. great way to spend my saturday lol..love the lore made simple as i only ever absorbed canon

[@cqazyfn7]

Like others, I also believe its possible that the Yoda species has a connection to the force. Far more powerful than other Jedis, like how Grogu can lift items when someone he likes is in danger. But he didnt learn the force just then showing how strong with the force the Yoda species is.

[@otisbl1405]

Grogu was already trained in the force but has forgotten most of his training

[@thaiylooze8217]

He was slightly trained. But yes even at that size and age, he seems to be just as powerful than typical force users. (Just less awareness and control currently)

[@RaduP3]

Is it possible that the force is neutral overall? I mean it's one total element that includes both light side and dark side. The jedis that used the dark side "for good purposes" didn't turn to the dark side because it was not their intention, but at the moment they used the dark side, they simply were one with the force (all of it as it includes both light and dark) and the force guided them in that part because it was needed at that time. They never remained dark because it was never their intention to do so, they just used it as a tool. Maybe Anakin and whoever gives into the dark side and remains such is only because they intent to or because they do not know that they can go back and they are torn apart by their guilt or whatever that they used the dark side and do not know that they can go back. Maybe being truely one with the force means being in touch with its totality, meaning also the darkness that makes it whole. There are jedis from what I know, but I'm not lore pro, that used both light and dark and from what I know they were stronger, but they still did good as actions. What do you guys think ? Maybe the history of the universe is just at a point that they do not know that they can use both good and dark side of the force for the sake of love progress and good overall. Maybe it is possible to study the whole force without comitting to only one side. They are afraid of the dark side only because it is easy, the high road will ALWAYS be harder, and it will always be temptation, but as everything in life, choices have consequences, and maybe there are consequences of not being wholy integrated with all the force, dark and light. But maybe it's absolutely doable and actually the next step of evolution of jedis and sith and solving this polarity. They both think they do good in their own way as their perception of life and the force. Would love a sequel with this idea in mind, they could really do an amazing story out of it . But that be the end of the story since it would be the final point where balance is truely achieved.

[@xantishayde-walker4593]

interesting thoughts.

[@msolav63]

Indeed

[@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt]

*Yup..* I always imagined if Yoda fell to the Darkside he would get Tupac tattoos that would say, “Sith Lyfe”. Makes total sense.

[@deadinsidemcgee411]

Gymbroda

[@TheBoyBanditKing1911]

No Lyfe Sith

[@MacNif]

Dark Side!

[@kristofferhellstrom]

Aaaah man I love how these stories are written as it's reality :) Wonderful storytelling

[@trekstarsam2494]

I would love to see you do a video detailing the non-Jedi training that Jedi padawans received. For example, in addition to Jedi training, what other education did they have? I'm sure they had to learn at least basic math, and what about the native languages and cultures from their various species? Since they were taken so young, and since the Jedi was an intergalactic group with all sorts of different species, I'm sure republic basic was spoken throughout the order, yet, Jedi travelled throughout the galaxy as peace keepers, so I was wondering how many languages they learned. A lot of species could understand but not speak Republic basic. Was it simply through protocol droids translating?

[@ayden2562]

i’ve always believed that yoda’s species is a physical representation of the light side of the force, hence why we’ve only seen 2 or 3 full grown yoda like characters. they aren’t necessarily born, they just are created and birthed by the force itself, which is why they have such a strong affinity and connection to it. thats just my head canon though lol

[@JosephWhitworthGaming]

Like the Wizards in LotR. That's a pretty damn good theory. I dig it.

[@spadeclover3634]

Their lifespan would make more sense too

[@tommyallen8780]

This also would explain why there seems to only be one of the species in existence at any given time. It also points at Grogu being the new avatar of light.

[@Cornholio94]

@@tommyallen8780 grogu was alive when Yoda was alive though so that disproves that point

[@sangun123]

@@Cornholio94 lmfao yaddle and yoda were also explicitly alive at the same time

[@Sephiroth144]

Grogu choked Cara Dune, using the Dark Side. Dang, I forgot how Luke was a Dark Side user at Jabba's Palace...

[@RussellStClair-cy1vu]

Ain't nothing wrong with choking out a bad guy ! What ! Besides there's no promise of Nice when it comes to Good . I would love to see a Gray Yoda though 😁 that would be Awesome 😎

[@kyleanderson449]

Use of the dark side does not equal being a dark sider. However it is a slippery slope.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@kyleanderson449 And yet, that was their entire reasoning with "Grogu showing the Dark Side"... Then again, pretty sure using Dark or Light powers means you have to have some affinity, at the bare minimum, with that side of the Force. Can't be a "pure" Light Sider and bust out the finger lightning and all that...

[@Sephiroth144]

@@RussellStClair-cy1vu Force Choke is pretty solidly a Dark Side power; plus, you're telling me the random security guard is a bad guy? He was just doing his job, seeing who this guy walking into the building was, asks him to hold up and maybe say where he's going- and gets choked out. Dude doesn't even try to mind-trick them, just choking time. (Fucking Skywalkers, man.)

[@kyleanderson449]

@@Sephiroth144 there is some affinity for both sides in all living things. And these affinity levels can change with use of the force.

[@matthewbittenbender9191]

Gary: Minji! 'ave you lost your mind?!? Minji: C'mon, Gary. You always said you wanted to see Paris. Gary: Not like this, Minji! Not like this! Yeah, we all know what Lucas changed his name to Yoda.

[@space5691]

This might sound weird but there's something about this guy's voice that's so hypnotizing it just makes me wanna watch more.

[@toothgap5597]

Can we just agree that yodas species are gremlins

[@iayyam]

No

[@andrewtimothy1937]

according to my personal fantheory, Yoda's Species is the natural opposites to the sith species. Both are naturally highly skilled at their sides of the force, and (IMO) theres so few of either left in the universe becuase they wiped each other out, both locked in eternal statmate: balance.

[@christiank.4883]

Yoda’s battle with his own dark side during his force preservation trial taught me more about life than my own father.

[@whalehands]

Yoda is basically the mindset we should have as a species

[@Fausto_4841]

Autism?

[@BRIMZ619]

I love the blue and green sabers, but Red and Purple are my favorites 4 sure. Something about the red suth sabers are extremely elegant and beautiful.

[@alcam4226]

I really enjoyed the reason why yoda's species doesn't go to the darkside. The darkside is easier, thus no fun. The lightside has challenges. The other reason I enjoyed was that they live long periods, they see things in a different light. (Yes pun intended).

[@starwarsjoey228]

grogu better not turn to the dark side

[@LilReapsy]

darth grog

[@mikekochendorfer7965]

He better

[@emperorgizmo3014]

Not just Force Sensitive, but extremely Force Sensitive. They honestly have the potential power if they decided to get serious and rule the universe if they ever so desired. Nothing and No one could ever stand against an entire Homeworlds worth of "Yodatians". 🤣

[@FarkJoeB]

The sith were a species why not the Jedi despite having natural force abilities the sith species lacked until influenced by dark side users. Maybe their plan was to make an dark side species to balance the light side (Jedi) species of Yoda.

[@emperorgizmo3014]

@@FarkJoeB that would be cool. As much as I want to see a Yoda Homeworld, I think I agree more with George and should leave them a mystery. My fear is they will ruin the species when more is revealed about them.

[@cyanlegacy8291]

*How can you be on the council and not be a master?*

[@motorbikefu5632]

My theory is that with their long lives Yoda and his species still remember the jed'aii ways, and are in fact as much dark side as light. But the dark side is emotion, and doesn't need to be focused on the negative. So they embrace the dark side through love, which is after all an inherently dark side trait, as it places the value of certain lives above others, and can cause reckless action. But when love rather than hate is the focus, at least for a species strong enough to do so, it just makes what appears to be a very strong Jedi that will force choke anyone that messes with the people they care about. Imagine if Anakin was taught that he could love Padme as that was dark side but brings balance. The Jedi ways, unlike the Jed'aii ways are what drove him to join the Sith.

[@NetoJ0N]

George dont want to make a backstory for his species. We will never know because its supose to be not known. There will never be an explanation because the point is to not have an explanation, its suposed to be the beauty of something unknown and bigger than us. He never bothered to right a back story because it does not matter. Its like he is some kind of God that is helping mortals because he is good. And we need this against evil. Like gandalf. He is there to help but dont use all his power because the point is to help the protagonist win, and not do his job.

[@J3point14]

I think Grogu is destined to be something of a grey jedi, the epitome of light and dark.

[@crimsoncrowwe6796]

I know you meant grey jedi, but all I could think of was a little guy in Mandalorian armor wielding a lightsaber

[@J3point14]

@@crimsoncrowwe6796 heck yes dude. grey with manda armor and the darksaber lol

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

grey jedi are so lame. balance is destruction of the dark side, the dark side is a parasite. people just want good guys who have “hecking awsum bad guy powars!!!!!”. it kind of ruins the idea of the lightside and darkside and the jedi and the sith. So all you have to do is not be a blood thirsty psycho or an emotionally stunted religious zealot? So just be a normal dude? Oh okay. its having your cake and eating it too. its just an excuse for people to have dark side and light side powers. thats it.

[@GreenTimeEagle]

Wow. Yaddle's story almost brought a tear to my eye. What a beautiful thing she did, to forgive her captors, and moreover, actively help the same people after a natural disaster.

[@GavanWilhite]

It did to mine indeed. Likewise the bit about “picking the harder path”

[@AmbrosiaDreamWeaver]

If that brought a tear to your eye, find out how she died.

[@nephilimshammer9567]

I still think sidious knows the force needs balance and he purposely manifests into the most needed side at the moment of his death. He is smart enough to know its not about good or bad but balance and thats how he controls the universe

[@DavidRLentz]

This explains part of why Anakin Skywalker (Heyden Christiansen) so keenly, so urgently felt the need to develop immortality for himself and Senator Amidala (Natalie Portman). (You refer to this at 5:14 ). And why Master Yoda (Frank Oz) strongly counselled against such personal attachments. I personally feel that inti- mate relationships, including parent-child, siblings, etc., can work well.

[@albinosharkkeef6522]

0:35 because they are force moths

[@frankieclayton9303]

I love Yoda's wisdom

[@jaycook4711]

I wanna know what other people think about this: if Yoda ever fully turned to the dark side, do you think he would be strong enough to bring himself back? Or would he need someone else to help him?

[@slothofficial1512]

Iirc there was a time where Yoda turned to the dark side for a brief moment, though I’m not sure if it’s canon. I’m pretty sure it was simply to prove a point. I remember it having something to do with Dooku, but I could be entirely wrong here. In my own opinion though, I think he would be far too powerful to be able to turn back. I don’t think the power would consume him, but rather what he could do with the power.

[@kuachii1408]

@@slothofficial1512 oh damn. was this in the comics or a game or something?

[@jaycook4711]

@@slothofficial1512 So, would he try and do good with the Dark Side? Do you think he could incorrectly use the party? Like, he tries to do good, but he interferes so much that he's doing more harm than good? I think it would be interesting to see him fall and struggle with trying to better the universe, but ultimately harming it more.

[@Bakumatsu1]

yes

[@meyermachinations972]

If a being that powerful "fully" turned, no, there would be no coming back as no light would be left, it would be like turning Palpatine back to the light. Assuming they are also of mature age at the time, no one would be able to help, no other life form has the age and wisdom to make an argument they already had centuries to think about. Otherwise, if they just happen to be using force-choke a bit too often and aren't dedicated to evil, then yes they would most likely turn back to the light after some time to think about it. The universe seems to like balance, and they would most likely feel themselves harming that balance and stop themselves without help.

[@LokiScarletWasHere]

Their affinity for the "light" force, being stronger with long training and meditation, would explain why they warn so heavily not to dabble in the "dark side". It could be explained as dogma and a sense of exceptionalism among their kind. Dogma would also explain their misunderstanding of what balance means, when they believed Anakin would bring balance to the force. The Jedi believed this balance would be the extermination of the dark side entirely, when that is by no stretch of the imagination what balance means. With a large, growing Jedi force while the Sith mostly had grunts with rayguns, the slaughter of younglings was honestly just desserts for the Jedi.

[@WalkenDead]

Yoda the Gray. Full mastery of both, but following his own code

[@EPCreative]

"Pic" of "Gorc and Pic" from the Dark Forces games was Yoda's species and a dark side force wielder. They may not be canon any longer, though. Pic definitely resembled Yoda, but the very large Gorc was his brother. So maybe not? Maybe adopted? Maybe completely non-canonical.

[@Obi1kenobi10]

I'm going to refrain from the required "small package, big things come in" joke

[@jjs333]

I love Yoda as a character, but I always get caught up on the fact that he did little to nothing to stop the deaths of thousands of Jedi during Order 66

[@blackc1479]

Not to mention presiding over the ossification, politication and weakening of the order in general. (Granted not the whole thing but a big chunk of it)

[@tsnorquist]

Perhaps his foresight persuaded him to let it happen at great cost with the end result being the extinguishment of the Sith.

[@generalkenobi5533]

I have two thoughts on this. #1: even though Yoda knew there was a threat to the order and had horrible visions about it, he didn't know the specifics of the threat, had no idea the clones were involved, and didn't know the real identity of Darth Sidious. There wasn't much he could have done to prevent Order 66. #2: the Jedi Order had pretty much doomed itself by the time Yoda became aware of a potential threat to it. While I dispute the notion that he helped "ossify" its corruption (I actually think he worked to counter the arrogance of Jedi like Mace Windu), he certainly didn't make much of a dent in the increasingly spiritually lazy and political culture overtaking the Order. As a result, he didn't have many options. The Order destroyed itself in spite of his efforts.

[@blackc1479]

@@generalkenobi5533 I get where you're coming from, I think both points are interwoven, along with other factors mixed in. Yeah, obviously he didn't know about who palps was, and was operating with pure intentions. But he had a lot of strikes against him, mostly not his fault, but he did bear some blame. First, the jedi didn't know they were still at war with the sith. So they got mission creep (admittedly it started even before bane got his attack of the clevers). The orders original sin was getting closer than arms length to politics. So Yoda came up in that environment, and it shaped some of his outlook. Secondly, I think his long life had 2 paradoxical effects: he was set in his views especially post grandmaster/pre 66. But he had also resigned himself to increasing jedi involvement in politics that had already been happening....but crucially, in a purely subservient role. If the jedi had maintained a...maybe not co-equal role, but at least more independence, or had been willing to buck political pressure the story would have been very different. Imagine an autonomous grandmaster, being pressured by a politician into a situation that already smells funny due to a "perfect storm" scenario, while they feel the darkside rising, AND are being asked to take charge of a morally wrong slave army? And third, the whole orders conservatism came back to bite it with a anakin. He was pushed back on because of age, connections,anger, etc. Made perfect sense from the orthodox view. But qui gon saw his potential, and maybe could have made the most of it. But they tried to force him into the "standard youngling path" with a totally orthodox master. And in the process kinda pushed anakin out of the tent. I don't think mace was "progressive" per se but he was at least as arrogant as Yoda in a different way. But mace was more progressive in dealing w someone's darkness in a productive way. The problem was that anakin and him were too similar, and to add to it, anakin was accepted late in life and against maces advice. Sorry, end digression. And even after 66, in a lot of ways Yoda didn't change. He either didn't want to train Luke out of fear of letting something else bad happen, or he still bought into the old training ways. If the council and Yoda had done more than barely tolerate free thinkers and non orthodox jedi, again, very different story. Like that master that callista was with in the clone commando books. If they were allowed to be more mainstream, the order could have been both more flexible and willing to call bs on shady stuff that the old farts might miss.

[@johnnyissa7890]

Yoda was not allowed to warn the Jedi about order 66. Why? Because the force needed to be balanced so the force itself turned to the darkside in order to bring balance. The force being anakin skywalker. Also the force wouldn’t have let yoda do it either way because we see the force wants it’s own plan to happen so it killed master quigon so he couldn’t train anakin because If he trained anakin the force would’ve never been balanced because anakin would’ve never fell to the dark in order to destroy the sith who caused the imbalance

[@RogersGirl88]

The best part of star wars is that it all goes back to the original trilogy, where george lucas or maybe even just some set designer makes a creative choice for convenience or by accident, and 50 years later millions of fans will be seriously discussing the lore of that choice. For example, george might have said “make yoda green as a joke about kermit the frog.” And decades later, star wars nerds use it as a basis for yoda having chlorophyl, being part plant from a race of vegetable/people who sprout up from the ground and hence they are more in tune with the natural force. 😜

[@HarryGinn4Eva]

Sounds to me that you're thinking of the Zelosian race. As they are in fact plant people. Far different than yoda, yaddle, and grogu.

[@darthgoza]

Forgive me if you already know this but In the novelization of The Empire Strikes Back, Yoda was described as being about half a meter tall with blue skin and long white hair. Somewhere between when the book was written and the the puppet being made, they made a few changes to what Yoda looked like.

[@HarryGinn4Eva]

@@darthgoza well it makes sense to be blue if using a green screen or in reverse and nothing to forgive since i have no way to either learn more about the characters or any other lore about something i can only learn from the web or films.

[@dchief2924]

Basically its all meaningless like the 50 million debating

[@thomasgreiner5228]

I like to think of Yoda in a tuxedo t-shirt like singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an all Jedi band and I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk!

[@kostas_a_1924]

Maybe Grogu was the son of Yaddle and that's how he ended up in the Temple. What do you guys think?

[@CrispyFwy]

no

[@oftengruntled5432]

s6 yoda arc sort of caught me off guard. It was interesting to see a character like his, one who until that point had been mostly just a talking head, one to offer occasional advice but was never the focus, and was portrayed as almost completely correct. To see yoda himself be so vulnerable was totally shocking, I think that it was an extremely important plotline that definitely belonged where it did in the series.