Why you can't surf backhand on a twin fin (w' Josh Kerr & Occy) TWIN FIN #3

Twin fin surfing and twin fin surfboards are back in vogue thanks to the likes of Josh Kerr, Asher Pacey, Mark Occhilupo and others. In this series, I'm taking 11 of the best twin fin surfboards off the shelf and into the waves to decipher the best one.
In a twin fin, I’m looking for that same effortless feeling that carries you from critical manoeuvre to critical manoeuvre without losing speed or drive (given the wave has enough to offer) and, overall, I want the surfing experience to be easy because I know this will translate perfectly to the every day surfer.
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[@CWarren05]

hey kale I just started surfing because of you and your videos have helped so much especially with buying my board. Thanks for all the help and tips!!

[@andrerocha2496]

Thank you for your transparent and honest reviews, as an Inter\begginer I know now what twin fin I will buy for this summer waves. I know you had a hard time and a lot of work to do this, honestly hope if there's a next time (let's say for middle lenght), things would be easier.

[@Town_Country96]

Yoo kale over been watching your videos for a couple years now! Just watching a lot of your tutorials has seriously made a huge impact in my surfing! Keep it up my man👍🤙

[@Matanzm]

Great series! Amazing balance between honest and informative! keep on the good work

[@lancejackson3618]

Really enjoying this series Kale! Keep up the good work! 🤙🏻😊

[@coworksurf]

Your reviews & tutorials are always next level, Kale 🌊🌊

[@elrafa782]

I love this Tom ! And how cool is that friendship between all these musicians? Love that. Thanks 🙏

[@markbrown2885]

keen insights from Occy and Kerr...love it! backhand on the Black Baron looked solid, would love to see a Black Baron vs. Twinsmen episode 🤙

[@mikecarroll5853]

Excellent answer on transition between twins and the rest of the quiver.

[@lachlanstorie798]

Good to see you getting so many big names in the industry to give their thoughts

[@MensGroup]

As always Kale, awesome clip! :)

[@brunodamico9117]

Thanks for the backhand action 👌

[@Karakaboardriders]

When your saying some of the boards aren’t like twines Thant makes no sense. Don’t take this the wrong way what I’m getting at is that a twin is any kind of board thats shaped as a twin fin. I think your really after a fish or a twin fin fish. Mark Richard’s won his titles on twin fins that were basically short board shapes of the day but twin fins. A lot of the shapes you have there are fish style shapes and some are twin fins that have more of a short board outline. You almost need two category’s fishes and twins. I’m not trying to be picky but its kinda of confusing what your looking for its either a fish shape or a twin? Regardless its cool to see info for the general surfing public on twins as they are a great for for most people and will help a lot of surfers smooth out their style as its hard to do the same kooky turns on a twin as a short board they just tend to throw you off if you don’t surf them properly

[@Robwhat]

Rad Occy appearance! What a legend and he was ripping on that Black Baron

[@jonc2037]

That was sick Kale!

[@jphrabe8327]

I surf a firewire Midas as a twin with AMT fins. It's a really fun board, highly recommend trying one.

[@tidessurfmagazine]

Great episode

[@tomhorton152]

Have to agree with the sentiments on the stock glass job on the CI Twin Pin. I’m not too heavy footed, but the indents on the deck are pretty significant. That being said, it goes so good

[@clintjones9848]

You can build whatever balance of performance vs float or looseness vs hold you want on a twin fin. It doesn't have to be one or the other. You also don't have to place the fins straight at the back of the board. The sweet spot is 10 1/2" up from the tail or less. Forward gives more drive and looseness but at the expense of hold. Back gives more hold but at the expense of drive and looseness.

[@jaycee571]

Spot on mate, the same goes for not being able to ride twinnies on your back hand. A lot of it has to do with the wave and wether a surfer is predominantly heavy on the back foot or front foot and wether or not they can transfer weight between turns. Some of my best surfs on a twinny have been on my back hand on Gary McNeil Rasta twin, it if anything goes better on my backhand.

[@tommygriffin7401]

I've got a 5'7 CI twin pin and a Light speed 5'5 MR and I can surf both backside and frontside at the same amount of flow and power.

[@orelomer]

7 days has passed I can’t wait for next one :)

[@vovakorotkikh5161]

I have a Black Baron and it is the most amazing thing i own. Im not a big dude 5'10 75 kilo and I ride it 5'3 stock epoxy. The is no better feeling, fast, rides like a skateboard slides any second you want it holds when you want it. Hard to paddle since I got it so small but you get on and its amazing. My thruster and step up collecting dust even in overhead surf.

[@frankgallo2946]

got a custom board on the way. Twin/fish with thruster option. Can’t wait

[@petewebb5149]

Would be useful to show the fins you have used in these boards and talk about them.

[@KalesBroccoli]

Next episode - unfortunately the fin chats just bogged the episodes down too much but I understand the significance

[@johnstaton7414]

On the first day of a Baja trip I broke off the middle fin off my Kip Stick & was bummed until I said F it so I surfed twin fin the rest of the trip with no problems on the 3/6ft waves, but I still go with the thruster everytime. 🤙

[@retrain35yo87]

Your surfing is better here than previous sessions at the indoor surf pools, more fluid. Not sure if its the boards, conditions the footage or just got better. Style looks more natural especially JS

[@amazecarl]

I’m surprised there’s no morning of the earth boards in the test. The au go go, the fiji, and the massive are mental! Simon jones is a wizard

[@EternalJourneys]

Not all shapers are willing to submit their boards

[@KalesBroccoli]

Tried - no response

[@K9Quin]

I’d like to see you try a SJS board. He makes some of the most beautiful looking shapes in Australia! Would love to know how they surf

[@jesseryan3535]

Be good to see you test a couple Gary McNeill twins

[@twinfincoffee3275]

Addicted sounds about right!

[@Dicko301]

Really good review , lots of info on the boards , as with most twinnys once you get one it takes time to adjust and also the fins used makes a lot of difference so , Ive used my twinny with so many different shape fins and it either make or break the board, so opinion you gave was very informative good to see, look forward to the final , my moneys on the hayden shapes.

[@geoffcoombs2058]

I reckon it’s simple, I ditched my keel fins and went to an upright fin, that fixed it for me,now I love my twinnie on my backhand

[@retrain35yo87]

Totally, or you can have the backhand fin slightly longer, gives you grip on the backhand side and slide on the other.

[@geoffcoombs2058]

@@retrain35yo87 never thought of that, sounds like fun

[@vznquest]

Which fin are you on now?

[@geoffcoombs2058]

@@vznquest I’m got a set of need essentials torren martyn upright fins. They work so for me good man

[@retrain35yo87]

@@vznquest I have a stash of icon vert - on the medium now, I'm 85-90 kg. I like the verts they turn super fast.

[@craig8638]

This test is great. I have a Twinsman and it goes really well backside. Twins these days are much more versatile than the keel fin fish we were all riding 15+ years ago.

[@lancejackson3618]

Great comment Craig!😊 Fins are so key! I really don’t like keel fins much at all. You just can’t put them on rail! I almost exclusively ride twins for a few years now, and every twin I’ve tried with keels just doesn’t work for me. I mean it works. It’s fun if it’s small and soft and you wanna throw some spinners and generally slide around a fair bit. But they’re just sooo loose and slidey and down the line that I find it extremely difficult to perform on them at all. Put in my trusty big tall upright CI twin fins. Similar template to the MR performance fins. Or the Akila Aipa’s. And all of a sudden you can hold through a turn without losing the fins and actually put it on rail and do proper cutbacks. Late drops and barrells and tight bottom turns are still an issue without the centre fin. As they will always be on an inherently loose board. But just having a lot more fin in the water/wall on steep sections makes a huge difference. My advice is if you wanna still be able to shred your twinny, don’t ride keels. Ride a big tall upright performance fin. Of course it depends on the board design, your abilty level, the waves, etc etc. as to what each person will prefer. But definitely try a few different styles of fin. In my experience, the fins make a massive difference in twinnys. More so than thrusters and quads 😊

[@morgangrosskreutz890]

40+

[@joedirt8625]

Thanks dude.

[@alexj590]

Would like to hear how the Jim Banks and Gary mcNeill twins stack up against the big name boards reviewed here..

[@ntdawg]

Thanks for an enjoying series so far. Would you have any thoughts on how the light bender performs compared to the twinsman?

[@benchapman5639]

I second this question. Very interested to know your thoughts on this.

[@KalesBroccoli]

Yes I’ll be doing a comparison

[@allenwilliams8962]

@@KalesBroccoli I 3rd this comparison

[@samueldhallcreative917]

Would love to see you try a Thomas Surfboards modfish, especially in some bigger and meatier surf

[@smplification]

Hey Kale, loving the twin series! Did you get to test out the DHD Mini twin as a comparison at all? Keen to know how it stacks up. Love the outline and sizing, so interested to hear your thoughts! Thanks for your vids, bloody good relatable content!

[@KalesBroccoli]

DHD did not submit a board 🤙🏽

[@jonahhex9620]

Agree the Chilli is more for Snapper and Hawaii or Puerto Rico when it's pumping

[@bikinigirl919]

My favorite board I own my proctor 5'8" fcs five fin box that has a fish tail and paddles great great board for the size San Diego has the best surfboards

[@mickleddyfishing4986]

Epic series bro! Just got a hyfi black baron can’t wait to use it and see next weeks final. Love to see a JS sub xero and xero comparison vid Chances🤔🤔 Keep good content coming 👊

[@ST-hx9gu]

Kale you should do a series, best cheap surfboards price range 300-600 dollars of course after the twin fin series, I think the cheap series would be good for surfers on a budget or people who want to go to the next step but don’t want to pay the big price, just a suggestion it could be a really bad idea

[@MrRobinski]

What about the Almeric-free scrubber twinny? It looks good.

[@cameraman2149]

Tried out the CI twin pin at a demo. An amazing board! I am by no means a good surfer but this board made me feel like a good surfer. It’s fast easy to use paddle and get into waves. Just a user friendly board

[@rasmuszaurins7233]

What does paddling and getting into waves to do with fins, are they propelled?

[@rasmuszaurins7233]

@@bonbonbonfire Ah, that means a board with 2 fins has automaticlly more volume than a board with 3 fins? Or a boards shape for 2 fins is automaticlly easier to surf than others? Come on, this isn´t difficult.

[@MyMotherWasaNinja]

@@rasmuszaurins7233 there is less drag with twinnies when paddling

[@rasmuszaurins7233]

@@MyMotherWasaNinja And even less with 1 fin or even finless. Why not dismount fins while paddling, easy with FCS 2, and reinstall them before surfing? Paddling would be so easy that it almost feels like flying, or not. Reality is: speed while paddling is so small that drag induced by fins is minimal, no need to retract fins or choose less fins for less drag. It´s like reducing drag by 1% with each fin less, negliable.

[@joeboonmusic4004]

@@rasmuszaurins7233 Dude are you just intentionally missing the point? It's not about the fins so much as it is the BOARD he's talking about ffs. I have ridden one too and found the same. Twinnies tend to be shaped wider, thicker and flatter... That's just how fishes have been since the dawn of knee-boarding onwards. Yes the difference in fin drag is negligible, but he's not talking about that ahaha.

[@johnhanna5458]

JS looks super fast. The Hayden shapes looks better overall under your feet. Tough one, but the speed of the JS is way too hard to pass up. My vote is the JS black baron.

[@johncleghorn2960]

In the single fin days I had a twinny with four belly channels rod dahlberg country style went really good backhand out the point

[@reeddahlmeier3025]

Hi Kale, I can’t find your fourth installment in this series. Did you post it? I just see 1-3, a video that’s private, and a video of your shaping a twin.

[@boltup5566]

Have you tried a retro style modern twin fin fish? A lot of guys make them.

[@brandonmerry915]

Great series. If you had to make the same selection but instead of AVG waves, the quiver was for long Indo point breaks, would you still take the same 4?

[@jackmccarthy4047]

I reckon the twin pin would still make it to the final for indo waves. thing works amazingly well here for me

[@KalesBroccoli]

I’d think so yes but there would be different shapes in the Shapers catalog that I would choose

[@Nocean831]

Have you tried the Channel Islands Fishbeard? Wondering how it would have stacked up in this lineup. I have one and absolutely love it, but it is my first and only twin fin so I’ve got nothing to compare against.

[@KalesBroccoli]

They’re not making it anymore (at least in Australia is what I was told)

[@Nocean831]

@@KalesBroccoli Ah dang! Well at lest you got the Twin Pin, that one looks so fun!

[@filipevicente774]

Hi. What do you think about the Sharpeye Storms T2 for a daily driver board? I enjoy the mix of shortboard with twin board...😉 Thanks.

[@KalesBroccoli]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jonahhex9620]

Interesting that Noel Salas who has long connections with CI, didn't like the twin pin but preferred the Chilli given he's out in California where CI designs and tests

[@kylestanford7574]

Never had a problem on any of my twins on my backhand but I do now...lol

[@joshwelsh6737]

How would the sharp eye stack against the album twinsman? I noticed you used a light bender instead of the twinsman, any particular reason for that?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Because we’ve already tested the twinsman in our last series and established it was a great board

[@joshwelsh6737]

@@KalesBroccoli yeah for sure. How would you say the twinsman stacks against the sharp eye?

[@michaelono7335]

Did the volume on the CI twin pin feel rt? Or should You have gone up? Great video!!!

[@KalesBroccoli]

Felt right 🤙🏽

[@paulp1240]

I would have loved to see the CI FishBeard instead of the Twin pin

[@action24061974]

Anyone go the link to the finale? i can't find it.

[@MensGroup]

Why wasn't the Album Twinsman included in this comparison? I thought that was one of your favs, Kale? Asking because I was considering buying one based on your previous recommendation (like the Chilli Mid-Strength). :)

[@KalesBroccoli]

It is, but already established as so in previous test and will play it off against the winner (see previous episodes)

[@MensGroup]

@@KalesBroccoli Watched it but I must have missed that part. My bad! Thanks. :) Keen to see the next episode.

[@ccozzarelli]

Hi Kale! would you consider picking the fishbeard for a test?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Not available anymore

[@obsidian66]

Greg Griffin Twin Keel Modish! 5”10” x 21 1/4” x 2 5/8” riding at 180 lbs. ideally

[@obsidian66]

Trailing edge of fin should be 5.750” from tail. Rear placement gives thruster feel, not loose and slidey like a slippery bar of soap. Greg’s g10 epoxy tabs were narrower than the boxes so you had wiggle room to set backward or forward 1/16 th inch either way!

[@batizar]

Thanks for the videos, really enjoying them but can't call it the best twin fin in the world if you don't have anything from Gary McNeill, Morning of the Earth or McTavish in there!

[@batizar]

MOTE Little Board of Happiness Gary McNeill Concepts RTT McTavish Phantom Limb 🤙🤙🤙

[@KalesBroccoli]

Tried all three brands - no response 🤙🏽

[@michaelseeman6861]

how much difference is there from a twin fin and a quad fin ???

[@didymostruespeal]

Maybe it's cuz I'm kind of dyslexic but I pretty much have the exact opposite opinion of everybody except maybe Josh Kerr. What I was hoping for was a reason why twinnies don't slip when you're going back side. So the problem for me. Is periodically on late take offs left. it just tracks up the face and throws me off balance .compared to a thruster or a quad. So if I know it's a South swell it's going to be most likely I'll probably take the quad. My quad is actually a twinzer it has little nubs in the back and big fins in the front. So it slides .if I needed to slide it's also a double winged round pen and my twin is a traditional fish. The grippiness of the fish is what I wanted to hear about and everybody says it slips . It don't slip for me/ heelside anyway. So I didn't really get anything out of this one good try Kale I'll still keep watching... Did you just dodge the barrel at 14 minutes 46seconds? Lol

[@maynardlim9438]

Ur lightbender is too small. Great reviews Kale!

[@pjr859]

Don't know how they make them these days but my first twin fin shortie from GM in the early 70's was equal left and right. No difference. Everything was arranged equally and balanced equally side to side.

[@lalaboards]

The reason twin fins don’t go backside is because the heel only has 30% pressure that the toes have. The gap between the fins is too much for the heel to engage. This creates a slide. This is why twin fins always work so well on the toes side or the front side ……you’re welcome

[@user-fs9oo7dl4g]

The world makes way for the man who knows where he is going.

[@mikekammer9878]

I think the surfing on the JS looks great !!! How many liters do you use on your typical shortboard ? Thanks for the great review

[@KalesBroccoli]

Shortboard 28L - twin closer to 30 normally :)

[@rasmuszaurins7233]

@@KalesBroccoli Why is that, i thought twins paddle easy? If this shape enables easy paddling, it should be ridden with less volume. And why don´t use a normal board with 30l?

[@kaylathompson4503]

where are you surfing???

[@pierrefav9403]

Great serie ! It is too bad that you didn't try the free scrubber (ci) instead of twin pin. I think it's more appropriate for everyday surfer ;)

[@KalesBroccoli]

I can only work with what’s given to me haha beggars can’t be choosers

[@CodyIddings]

Oh man, what about Mick's DHD horseshoe twin he designed those fins with? I feel like it's a missing contender

[@vwbustube]

"Greatest Twin Fin on Earth?" 1980 MR Twin Wing Swallow or maybe a David Nuuhiwa fish.

[@MyMotherWasaNinja]

If you buy a Channel Islands in Bali, your board will lose half a liter of volume per surf due to compression dings.

[@drkside53]

Tell that to Torren Martyn

[@paulcattran1276]

all those boards are churned out for the masses. you should try a Jim banks

[@catfishstevens]

All AM's get torn up easily. Have a rocket wide that I can't keep off the repair table...never buying an al merrick ultra light again

[@IIrandhandleII]

Yep they keep you coming back for more board buys.

[@catfishstevens]

@@IIrandhandleII so lame. Never had such a fragile board, I even hit them up cause I thought I got a lemon - that's how easily it dings

[@IIrandhandleII]

@@catfishstevens exactly, i don't buy ci anymore.

[@MyMotherWasaNinja]

My AM gets finger dings just from duck diving

[@grownnotflown2]

owned 3 firewires and these glassing problems don't even exist anymore. Merricks have always been soft.

[@alexandreverdan1324]

Still don't know the differences between the Lightbender and the Twinsman.

[@KalesBroccoli]

Video may come

[@jessepalmer6654]

Looks mad BTW its ME Rhylee We Met In Cape Wooly

[@KalesBroccoli]

👋🏽

[@kylekaminski4326]

all those boards you said werent loose enough you were surfing the best and gaining the most speed through turns

[@tyronecardwell5132]

Ripping Kale. Yewww

[@tristanweingarten6452]

What was the FireWire board he had?

[@mikewarner3503]

5'6" Sunday

[@ianseaweed]

There you said it… “one session in, I’m already stomping through it” … the tail. I’m gunning for the Sharpeye Twin Turbo, but I’m an old fella myself. A twinny is more like a skateboard on a wave, the backfoot really drives it, but you gotta be light on your feet between turns. By that I mean there’s a lot of unweighting/reloading inbetween to adjust feet placement in the transitions for a kick turn, carve or Ollie… about 1” or 2” for lateral placement and up to some crazy 6” shit of medial placement, much more than you’d need to do on a skate, anyway water ain’t like Masonite so y’a gotta improvise with the chop as you go, hence some hard work on that tail. I shifted the bottom rocker about 4” back on my boards after reading a book about MP, he’s right, it gives one a bit of gas under the front foot when one needs. Personally I’m happier on my backhand surfing a twinny, but then I always favoured my frontside ‘arse over me heels’ stuff on a skate being a more burly kinda skater. Going forehand on a wave it’s kinda easier to unweight the front foot to slide it into a toe edge bottom turn, was always my weaker backside turn on a skate, so if I still use my heels but push into the outside edges of my feet into my pinky to keep some pressure going through on the board, handy technique I pinched from snowboarding.

[@rasmuszaurins7233]

Sorry, a skateboard is most stable going straight, absolute traction, getting less with increased turning angle. I think you messed something up.

[@ianseaweed]

@@rasmuszaurins7233 nope, unless you’re carving there’s a lot of drift and slide on a skate most of the time as you unweight into and out of tricks, your totally stable as long as you’re guiding your weight back over the board at some point before the next big move. Your right that this happens a bit less on a surfboard unless you intentionally get the fins out the back or unintentionally lose them for a bit on the drop. That can get a bit squirrely on a surfboard until something re-engages again, then you can stomp it

[@rasmuszaurins7233]

@@ianseaweed I think we are talking different subjects. Me- Skateboard. You- Skate- Snowboard? You seem to be actually talking about a snowboard which is unstable when not set on rail. A skateboard has 2 axles and 4 wheels which is EXTREMLY stable going straight and therefore the choice of most land vehicles, like cars.

[@ianseaweed]

@@rasmuszaurins7233 plus you get a speed wobble going straight some point over 20mph, gotta put it int some gentle carves and slides to regain stability.

[@hasawiss]

i do not agree with the title. i surf only twin and yaaa love it in back hand and surf even better on the back hand ( maybe because im goofy?)

[@terrycastle5088]

Before thrusters everybody surfed twin fins in 10 to 15 feet backhand

[@tftg458]

Where do we vote?

[@KalesBroccoli]

On Instagram in a few days

[@tftg458]

@@KalesBroccoli thanx for the heads up!

[@stevegreusome9961]

I had a vintage twin Finn. It was stolen from Byron carpack with a New Chilli epoxy, Wilson fins. Ended up in Noosa's Golden Breed shop. Please return for reward.

[@robrussell7729]

Gary McNeil and Simon Jones not interested ?

[@KalesBroccoli]

Reached out no response

[@oskar4486]

Oversight not getting the OG twins in here like Lis, MR, or Pavel.

[@KalesBroccoli]

See previous comments - reached out no response.

[@ETYSURF]

Do a surf hat review

[@KalesBroccoli]

😂

[@rodbarrett1581]

Never understood why people say it's hard on the back hand with twins. I ride twins better back hand then I do with a 3 rin set up.

[@IM-hx7jt]

Agreed. Nothing feels better than a deep backhand bottom turn on a twinny. Kale Brock is talking out of his 🍑

[@tyronecardwell5132]

With ya.

[@freddyspence1582]

Yep! Me too! Maybe my Shaper (same guy for 25 years, shaping my Fish) has really dialled in what suits me? Never have a drama Backhand & I never even think about my Twinnies under my feet.

[@billniklas7744]

What type of wetsuit do you wear and what size are you?

[@KalesBroccoli]

THE BEST WETSUIT SETUP FOR 2023 WINTER ... test results not what I expected kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqaodHt3nK2FsM0

[@dudeleboski2692]

CI are famous for lightly glassed boards.

[@asianseaanimals]

it nice action sport

[@SwordAndFern-mw3ke]

Full flat boards aren’t exactly forgiving. They go down the line but trying to doing a proper turn on the fucker.

[@lilbuddha8771]

Christenson Lane Splitter. Best twinny of all time.

[@wolf-yw9wk]

agreed

[@tokyomassa22]

How does it compare to the christenson fish? I have two Twinnies from Matt calvani/Bing and they are both absolutely mental (sunfish and twin fin fish)

[@wolf-yw9wk]

@@tokyomassa22 the lane splitter i think is more shortboard-y and its funny he pointed out it feels like it wants to turn, id agree with that. its more sensitive than the fish still very loose. quicker rail to rail. christenson fishes are incredible though. i have both when i need some extra glide and the waves are a bit fatter i'm on my fish to get through the flat sections, when there's a little more steepness to the wave the lane splitter is more go to. it makes it through flat spots still but not like the fish does. its funny how you can try different boards and come out with different aspects, i rode the ci twin pin and it was nice but maybe im just used to the lane splitter but i liked it far more than the twin pin. the in the middle board would be the christenson c hawk. i actually think for this review that would have been closer to what he was looking for in this category.

[@KalesBroccoli]

I didn’t think so but it was a good board!

[@rmtutty8688]

@@wolf-yw9wk did you add a bit of volume to your Christenson fish if you’re riding in smaller fatter waves or did you find it has enough paddle power with that width regardless? Trying to decide on 5’6” vs 5’8” and balancing wave catching but also getting a rail in / performance (usually ride around that 32L mark for shortboards)

[@jh1184]

HS or the Black Barron for the win

[@MegaMr28]

everyone should watch - tai vs dad- (youtube) for twin fin backhand surfing..watch him out whangamata.. he rips with style.

[@carlposter4504]

Next episode, stab in the dark, mysto shapers....? Please pick up and coming shapers instead of mainstream board builders. Give some credit to the little guys trying to make a living doing what they love. My opinion of course. Great reviews so far, keep up the great work. Cheers

[@KalesBroccoli]

Would love to but it’s difficult to arrange - how do we sort out the pretenders from the real deal without relying on their brand reputation? Just on people’s word that they’re good? Not sure what to do here 🤔

[@carlposter4504]

​@@KalesBroccoli - would take ages to organise, but it might be the same process as this last group review. For example: NPJ, Joel Fitzgerald, Gary Mcneill, PB customs, Byrning Spears, Christenson, Stretch, Josh Keogh, Greg + Will Webber, Simon Jones, Album Asym..? Get weird, surfing needs more alt crafts. Majority of market shouldn't be on thrusters. Prob a good portion of your viewing demo.

[@adamwaz5615]

How about JR?

[@bushkey]

Where’s the Simon Jones??

[@KalesBroccoli]

Reached out not interested