Why you should delete your stock factory grid heater and intake on a Cummins 6.7L Part 1 Killer Bolt

[@MStrickkk]

This is the most in-depth video showing why our stock heaters suck.

[@DIYKAI]

Thank you and we have another dropping tonight showing the lower EGTs

[@ryanallen7044]

Banks has a bad ass set up with that monster ram and grid

[@DIYKAI]

Yes if you need to stay within regs

[@doodlebug6833]

id recommend using banks monster ram for emissions regulations alone, there's also the newly routed fuel line, and lastly Banks Customer Service if needed. Gale also has a video explaining that the monster ram had the additional surprise benefit of replacing the grid heater with a screw in one and new intake plate thus getting rid of this issue(glad you mentioned banks). When you spend 10k+ on a decent truck, $1000-$1500(tune, install, part cost if you dont do it*) is an easy investment. Good Video highlighting an easy to fix design flaw that is easily missed.

[@DIYKAI]

Yes absolutely if you live in a state the has inspections Banks is the way to go…..if not there are some cheaper better options in our opinion out there

[@dankoldenhoven4997]

Emissions... lol

[@DIYKAI]

@@dankoldenhoven4997 its really a joke we just filled up at a tune of $300 for 58GAL but with all the mods we see 22MPG easy on the highway around 16-18 City and towing 12kish around 13MPG. with all the junk from the factory lucky if we see 8MPG while towing the truck runs cleaner and happier 250k+ and ZERO issue lol

[@sandman900rr]

@@DIYKAI cheaper yes, Better though! ?? Cmon now.

[@DIYKAI]

Better as diameter we are running 4in boost tubes don’t see any big names with that size?

[@raystanton238]

If you go with the Banks intake and you're a veteran, ask for the discount. It saved me about $100.

[@DIYKAI]

Good deal!

[@mikeyncali]

I saved almost 700 with the vet discount bought everything the had for my Cummins and Chuck was great

[@statonracing]

I disconnect the solenoid for the grid heater on my 412000 mike 6.7 still started no problem at 5 degrees

[@DIYKAI]

Yea they will start in pretty low temps around zero and below it's a little slow

[@agentmuzz]

I am running no grid heater on my 6.7. I have started mine down to -16F without plugging in and sitting out all night. It chugs for about 10 seconds and then runs fine. If I lived in the far north where temps are regularly below -20F for longer periods of time, it is probably a good idea to have the aftermarket one. If you live in the south, just get rid of it. You can disable any codes.

[@DIYKAI]

Cummins will start in very cold weather although it’s nice to have a aftermarket grid heater without the killer bolt lol

[@StevelsCamping]

I'm in the far north too. No grid heater, just plug it in, no problem.

[@DIYKAI]

Yup either way the ole Cummins will start above zero usually with no issues if not heated

[@tankscrittersandurbanhomes5579]

Unless you run a massive tune, that stock intake is more than enough. The air filter restricts more air than that heater. That inline heater set up is more restrictive than the factory heater. That engine under stock tune gets plenty of airflow. Just a point that I feel should have been made. Tuned up it may require more air. As a solution to the bolt that drops in less than one tenth of 1 percent, about 1 in 1500 trucks, it's a great solution.

[@DIYKAI]

The inline heater we run has less surface cross interference than the stock…marginal but still better lol…your right as far as the stock air system doing just fine to around 400 or so HP after that just chasing lower EGTs by having a denser colder charge

[@TjBruce817]

10000 dollar lottery win if it damages the block/cylinders and the head, even if it's 1 in every 1500 trucks, I don't want to win that lottery. I wouldn't play that game if it was 1 in every 10000 trucks.

[@tonyboneize]

Well……… I was having some celebratory beers after my full delete and then adding the banks intake. I hooked the battery back up and was like….. shyt I forgot to hook up the heater wire. Yup. ⚡️ I’m a tile guy not a mechanic. So you say use the meter on which setting?

[@DIYKAI]

You should be on the DC setting positive lead on the wire and black lead on a good ground or neg battery post if you can reach. should been around 8VDC if i remember but you would get a code if it went out

[@DeThrone512]

Unless there is a machined head to allow for more air flow, parts like a larger intake horn or removing the element from the intake manifold (grid heater), you aren't increasing air to the cylinder. The limiting point of air flow is the head itself. You are providing more air to the head but there is the same amount of air getting into the cylinder. Obviously this doesn't account for the soot buildup.

[@DIYKAI]

Soot was about 1/4 in thick lol when it was stock

[@DIYKAI]

You are correct all we did was free up flow. In turn we are able to use more of the available power the motor has. With a little fuel added it makes for a very reliable ride we just took it on a 2k non-stop journey. MPG was up and it ran like a sewing machine. Thanks for the comment!

[@OrionTheOwtlaw]

you are simply wrong, even though the engine is turbocharged the cylinder intake strokes still create a vacuum, albeit, that is is quickly equalized and then filled with boost pressure. getting rid of choke points will reduce boost pressure because flow is better. That results in a greater volume of air getting to the intake valve seat itself, ready to be vacuumed and then boosted into the cylinder. watch banks videos. if they larger intake horns did nothing for efficiency and airflow they wouldnt be selling.

[@DIYKAI]

All engines are air pumps all we want is to move in and out the quickest and most efficient. Free up choke points and the motor runs smoother. Larger pipes and smoother radius just allows for a large volume of air siting waiting to be used if needed. The truck get phenomenal fuel mileage and has tons of power so we think it’s worth it

[@OrionTheOwtlaw]

@@DIYKAI yeah, Mr. Poindexter might be the type of guy to miss out alot of good things in life. Especially if he thinks this relatively cheap mod has no benefits with air flow. Kind of crazy when you think about it, after watching all the points you made.

[@shoreline8686]

Wonder If I take a stock heater Grid plate clamp it in my mill & cut the heater out. I would have the same opening as the aftermarket piece. As far as the raised grid on the plates underside just clean it up, without the EGR there will be no soot build up. Well?

[@DIYKAI]

So we looked at them and you definitely could mill it out just have to clean it up well…..you paying for the mill job and higher volume with the aftermarket but it’s not a huge volume gain just looks cleaner IMO

[@michaelorozco8809]

you should do more bike overviews like this, it’s great content and is something that you could do relatively quick compared to your other videos

[@DIYKAI]

Yes we are thinking about doing a transmission common problem one

[@andrewrougeau2586]

​@@DIYKAIthe air boss from and the the grid heater

[@DIYKAI]

@@andrewrougeau2586 ?

[@andrewrougeau2586]

@@DIYKAI im sorry I was asking about the throttle bode grid heater and the air boss gracher 6.7l. where can I purchase them from. I have a 07 cummins 3500 with the 6.7l. do I have to get it tuned afterwards. its not deleted yet. I going this weekend to get it done?

[@DIYKAI]

@@andrewrougeau2586 ok got ya we got it from Glacier Diesel directly…..no tune needed work’s excellent

[@Electro489]

Thank you DIA KAI for getting the work out there!

[@DIYKAI]

Your Welcome!

[@JackSmith5770jack]

Hey thanks for the video. Where did you get the parts? You have convinced me to do the same.

[@DIYKAI]

Your welcome! We used a few different things but the plate and grid heater are from Glacier Zero issues so far starts right up no smoke in single digit weather

[@85chvyss47]

Do you have the link for the new Grid heater you showed in the video? I live in the Rocky mountains so that would be a must

[@DIYKAI]

Unfortunately Amazon pulled the item if you eBay search it they still have them

[@ericestep9880]

Best way to avoid the killer grid heater is to disconnect the wire from the relay to the grid heater and leave the factory grid heater in. With the poor flowing stock turbo it’s plenty enough air

[@DIYKAI]

That’s one way but we are upgrading as we go along so the stock turbo is next lol

[@ericestep9880]

@@DIYKAI 2nd gen swap or another vgt?

[@DIYKAI]

Another VGT we are blessed to have the abilities to rebuild and make better after mods and a turbine change we think we can squeeze 40+psi easy and that should be enough lol we only tow around 15k max

[@ericestep9880]

@@DIYKAI I see. Fleece makes a great drop in stock vgt 63mm. It’s good for 700 Hp. Do head studs for sure and lift pump.

[@DIYKAI]

We have the fleece drop in dual pump check out video out on it as well as the titan XL

[@GetBusyDrift]

do you have links to these?

[@zacharytruex1702]

If I do this, would I still be able to plug my truck in? For the winter? I’ve been in -30°F and it’s saved me!

[@DIYKAI]

Yes as long as you have a block heater you can plug it in.

[@freedomfighter6681]

Where did you get all your parts I have a 2022 Cummins I wanna do this to. I also plan on some other things in the near future

[@DIYKAI]

it was a mix of the best parts and deals we could find, check out sinister diesel, glacier diesel, BD they are all great companies depending on where you live and your local laws you may need to go the Banks route if you're keeping all the junk from the factory lol

[@freedomfighter6681]

@@DIYKAI yeah I plan on removing all the crap from the factory just waiting for a delete kit to come out for a 2022 haven’t found any yet they are definitely making it harder to delete these trucks

[@DIYKAI]

@@freedomfighter6681 extremely lol I'm sure some things may work? never seen the new motors

[@nicholaslyman75]

Wanna drop the link to that kit?

[@DIYKAI]

We got it from Glacier Diesel

[@jeffvanderveen2890]

How does the glacier respond in Northern provinces . Minus 30

[@DIYKAI]

Not sure coldest we seen was about 0 degrees....and it started fine no smoking......at -30 you should have the block heater on every cummins has a spot for one in the side of the block if you have a high trim package it is there and u just need the plug

[@DiyRye978]

What years of ram trucks would have this.? I have a 2022, did Ram fix this issue in newer trucks?

[@DIYKAI]

2007.5 - 2022 Ram 6.7L Cummins Ram never fixed it although it’s more rare in newer models it can still happen and if it does 15k for a new motor

[@DIYKAI]

In the 5th gens Ram flattened the stud on one side to prevent the nut from falling off but it’s not a 100% fix….we think the upgrade is well worth it in the power and fuel increase as well as piece of mind

[@sickmansgas483]

Keep running the egr 👍

[@DIYKAI]

Or drive to Mexico lol

[@sickmansgas483]

@@DIYKAI you know if it makes a difference if the egr is just unplugged and tuned instead of plated off and tuned ?

[@DIYKAI]

It can still leak and clog

[@sickmansgas483]

@@DIYKAI link for the gdp parts shown in the video?

[@DIYKAI]

Got it directly from there website we can try to post some links

[@bandzwz]

do you have to get a aftermarket intake horn when doing the grid heater delete? or can i use the stock one?

[@DIYKAI]

Nope stock should work

[@javierrubio213]

One question if this fits and cabin and chassis truck??

[@DIYKAI]

I don't think so you will have to check the manufactures notes as most don't mess with the cab & chassis

[@jacobbradstreet1622]

What about the banks grid heater

[@DIYKAI]

Good option if you need to stay emission compliant

[@jacobbradstreet1622]

That's the way I went.... seeing how much hp I can build running my emissions equipment.... ca has caught on and I love it know when chp goes through my truck and everything is legal.... trying to figure out away for more power I wish efi live was legal in my state... because I need custom tuning with everything I've done.

[@DIYKAI]

@@jacobbradstreet1622 here in the dirty south diesels are exempt most cops are deleted also 😅😅

[@jacobbradstreet1622]

@@DIYKAI yeah...... it's the same as Idaho as we're I from but here...... I got threatened to many time with the 12,000 ticket and then I have to go but everything back together and go smog then you have to go find a cop to sign off on it the. You can go to court and lower your tick to about 200 bucks lol

[@DIYKAI]

Jeez

[@jonschryver9986]

Whose intake horn is that? Tks

[@DIYKAI]

GDP but honestly the eBay cheapo worked well also went with GDP because I wanted to use the upgraded inline heater

[@Jarhead68]

I have a 2013 with 56,000 miles . I use it to pull My RV. I haven't had any issues yet, but I'm paranoid about it all the time. What problems can I expect,and what can I do to prevent it . Thanks.

[@DIYKAI]

Wow that’s pretty low mileage for a 13….we pull or trailer as well 10k+ we have 250k miles lol….honestly maintenance stay on top of it…..with the motor if you can delete it do it if not banks systems are the best to keep that stuff on….get an oil and coolant bypass filter kit. As far as the trans a deep sump pan, sonnex makes pistons to replace the plastic ones in the valve body and a large backing plate as well as a bonded separator plate that will keep the trans cross leaks in check (only applies to the 68RFE)

[@DIYKAI]

You can check the bolt on the grid heater it has a power line going to it…wiggle it if it moves it needs to go if it’s tight you should be ok

[@ScenicCityWoodturning]

I changed mine out with the Banks Monster Ram. I read about the wiggle test, so after I took off the stock plate, I took the nut(the one that falls into the engine) off the bottom side of the stock grid heater and it still did not wiggle. It’s held in by a plastic clip, not that nut and bolt. 👍🏻

[@DIYKAI]

So the bolt just "adds" a tight point the whole system is useless lol

[@jatc8]

If I do this upgrade or whatever you guys called; will that affect the warranty on my truck?

[@DIYKAI]

If you have a warranty leave it alone they will void it

[@jatc8]

Thank you!

[@DIYKAI]

Your welcome what year ram do you have?

[@jatc8]

@@DIYKAI it’s a 2020 with 48K

[@nicholasjoly4816]

Doesn't deleting the grid heater throw an CEL for not seeing the draw from the heater when you turn on the ignition for the pre heat cycle?

[@DIYKAI]

We don't think so many people say no we have not tried we have a glacier inline heater

[@ScenicCityWoodturning]

I unplugged the heater relay from mine and I did get a cel. Everything still worked fine except remote start.

[@zachwebb6879]

I ve seen this so much if it's that bad of a problem dodge should recall it and fix it

[@DIYKAI]

They refuse to admit it….there fix in the 5th gens we’re to shave threads off one side so the bolt don’t back off but even then it’s a gamble….it gets loose after all the heat cycles

[@shatangatang]

Where did you get those braided lines for the coolant filter?

[@DIYKAI]

The braided lines are for the oil bypass

[@DIYKAI]

They came with the kit

[@shatangatang]

Oh it’s an oil bypass, I thought it was the coolant filter deal.

[@DIYKAI]

@@shatangatang we also have the coolant bypass but that's under the truck and run with coolant grade silicone hoses

[@raymondlanier1112]

I don’t get how you when you delete the throttle valve how do you regulate throttle?

[@DIYKAI]

Throttle is regulated by fuel more fuel = more throttle….the downside is you can have a run away engine but it’s not so common in new models they also sell an aftermarket throttle valve you can control so if there is an emergency you can shut the motor down

[@tonyboneize]

I let my grid heater wire touch metal and it spark and burned the connection. Does anyone know if I fried it?

[@DIYKAI]

You should be ok you can test it with a multi meter check for battery voltage at the wire during heat up cycle....how did it spark did you have the key on?

[@Yoxicofficial]

So I have to tune my truck to get rid of my grid heater ?

[@DIYKAI]

No we didn’t

[@sparkyedu]

Do you have to have a tuner to install this plate

[@DIYKAI]

Nope

[@sparkyedu]

@@DIYKAI nice 👍🏼

[@harleydauterman9204]

Can you repost links to grid heater delete and parts

[@DIYKAI]

Everything was purchased from this site: www.glacierdieselpower.com/

[@johnmott6200]

Can somebody get back to me ASAP my truck is bone stock. Want to delete grid heater only will it leave any lights on

[@DIYKAI]

Hello what year?

[@DIYKAI]

You should be fine if it’s just the grid heater as long as your in warmer temps if not you need to plug it in or use the inline heater

[@timwimbleton8549]

What brand was this again. Looking to replace stock and the grid heater But I do need a grid heater.

[@DIYKAI]

Glacier Diesel

[@timwimbleton8549]

So getting rid of throttle body will throw codes? I'm fully emissions deleted Thanks for quick response 👍

[@DIYKAI]

Nope are you tuned also

[@DIYKAI]

@@timwimbleton8549 your welcome

[@timwimbleton8549]

@@DIYKAI tow tune very close to stock, about extra 45 hp

[@danketterer559]

I will be doing these mods once my warranty expires. 70K more miles then time to order up!

[@DIYKAI]

Definitely worth it

[@shatangatang]

Can I do a grid heater delete/swap with a full emission/stock ram?

[@DIYKAI]

Yes you will just not have a grid heater if your in the southern states you should be good we decided to run a different option video coming out in a few days

[@shatangatang]

@@DIYKAI I’m in So Cal….so want to keep it def/dpf etc….. I should be fine in so cal huh? And just to be clear, does that throw any codes or fuck the emissions shit up?

[@DIYKAI]

@@shatangatang as far as emission is concerned it will not affect anything but the grid heater may throw a code if not connected not 100% sure we don't have to smog trucks in the free south lol

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

@@shatangatang I got rid of one on my 5.9 and it would occasionally throw codes

[@wreckitmech306]

@@shatangatang Banks Power has an emissions compliant solution. Their air ram

[@mathewhoffer4541]

Wait ? you bought the generic intake ram horn ? and the grid heater delete plate ? and the aftermarket grid heater alternative ..... ? 3 different components instead of simply biting the bullet and buying the banks ram horn that has an alternative grid heater installed and flows 2 times better then that generic ram horn that has a massive blockage design flaw ? Those 3 items you purchased probably are still cheaper then the banks ram horn but how much power did you throw away to save a few bucks ? if it was all about removing the grid heater from the equation so it doesn't fail all you had to do was disconnect the feed wire from the solenoid and cover it with black tape .. 5 cents worth approximately.

[@DIYKAI]

So the intake ram is huge can fit our fist into it…..the grid heater plate sits higher and has more area for volume (maybe it helps maybe it don’t) all 3 components come from the same American company…..banks uses a screw in one maybe it good maybe it’s not? The grid heater we replaced is like the 5.9 one and was moved inline further down so there is really now intake restriction we can see….it has more ports for accessories….I highly doubt 2xs the flow….it was definitely way cheaper we got a deal and we don’t have the EGR port that could potentially leak under high boost…. Yes you could definitely just remove the hot wire but we cleaned everything along the way found a few injector cups loose lol. Either way we see way lower EGTs and about 4 more MPG city and making about 20MPG highway…..1400 rear wheel torque so power lose is not an issue either lol Thank for watching

[@garysmith643]

Would anyone know how cold weather starting is after this delete is performed ? Thanks

[@dmtycn]

I remember a Canadian youtuber test his Cummins in cold weather with heater grid unplug and looks like no problem.

[@garysmith643]

@@dmtycn not at all what i was asking .

[@dmtycn]

@@garysmith643 3℉ without heat grid if you check that video.

[@garysmith643]

@@dmtycn i live in northern Canada was wondering more like - 20F

[@DIYKAI]

Gary you would want a grid heater or plug your block heater in most have it installed just need to get the adapter it's like 30 bucks or so

[@mikezilligen1814]

Al the more reason for EGR delete

[@alouisschafer7212]

This whole intake is a poor design from Cummins/RAM in my opinion: 1. The grid heater is a huge airflow restriction and every restriction in the air intake of a turbodiesel is bad and lowers engine efficiency. 2. This intake does nothing to aid even distribution of charge air across the cylinders. I know its all pressurized by the turbo but still I would expect more.

[@meseahunt]

Everything is original????? I didn’t know sinister was oem for Ram…..

[@DIYKAI]

If you mean original like factory no Sinister is aftermarket.

[@meseahunt]

@@DIYKAI maybe u should watch the beg of your video.....

[@DIYKAI]

What exactly are you talking about?

[@shaolin_berserker9398]

just spend the money on the banks power.

[@DIYKAI]

yes definitely if you live in a state that requires his system

[@themotofixery]

That aftermarket heater looks worse than the stock as far as flow. I'd go with Banks.

[@DIYKAI]

Can’t comment on flow, but what we can comment on is the increased power and fuel mileage with the setup we have. Not to mention the 1500 rear wheel TQ we have and 500HP or so..no complaints here

[@themotofixery]

@@DIYKAI putting the grid heater in the most narrow spot on the intake seems like not the smartest thing to me. Looks nice though. And if you get better fuel mileage than it must be working.

[@DIYKAI]

@@themotofixery we agree, and Banks is an excellent option if you must keep the extra stuff on the motor lol

[@speederz1]

cummins should replace that part,not the owner

[@DIYKAI]

we agree unfortunately they won't admit it's an issue

[@freeaudiobooks7469]

Fiat garbage. Should be a recall

[@DIYKAI]

We agree but we all know how stealerships work lol

[@mitchellboling2941]

The way that you're measuring the intake elbow volume is shockingly wrong. You cannot compare a circles diameter to a rectangles width. Please do not pick up engineering.

[@DIYKAI]

I'm not and this is for normal people reference thanks for your comment though....

[@mitchellboling2941]

@@DIYKAI normal people deserve correct numbers. A 3" diameter circle has a surface area of 7.07 in^2 (14.14 in^2 for both, whereas the 2.96" wide rectangle, say 6" long is 17.76 in^2. Pretty significant difference.

[@DIYKAI]

@mitchellboling2941 I’m glad you clarified that for everyone that needed to know. We thank you!

[@adanvalles54]

Stop being a poor and install a Banks

[@DIYKAI]

Um yea you need to look up prices before you make comments……this is a Glacier Diesel set up…..and for those of us who live in communist free states we don’t need to use Banks systems to stay compliant…..do your homework before commenting

[@DIYKAI]

Banks does make quality parts don’t get us wrong but we did our research and for our setup and location this setup works flawlessly and also made in the good ole US of A

[@adanvalles54]

@@DIYKAI Banks is 50 state compliant and it comes with a heater plug.

[@adanvalles54]

@@DIYKAI I live in desert and still opted for Banks because I’d rather be safe rather than sorry in the unpredictable weather.

[@DIYKAI]

We know banks is 50 state…..our system uses a inline heater as well much bigger

[@jeffkottwitz1170]

You should've got a banks!!!!! Gale banks knows what he is talking about, and you don't!!!

[@DIYKAI]

First off we live in a free state. Second yes Gale is a smart dude. 3rd your opinion is yours and really doesn’t affect anyone but you. 🤡

[@dankoldenhoven4997]

@@DIYKAI so many people lack the ability to formulate opinions by themselves to they resolve to KZbin for knowledge.. Gale knows this and uses KZbin to sell his products yes they are good but its not the only option

[@DIYKAI]

@@dankoldenhoven4997 Your absolutely correct. Now we understand if you live in a state that requires inspection to drive. Then yes, those type of products will be the best option for them. You pay the high price for those items. But if you can get them for half the price with the same if not more gains, then why not. lol🍻

[@timwimbleton8549]

@@DIYKAI from what I priced Glacier kit is more than Banks

[@DIYKAI]

Seems like it we have to check may have got it on sale or something but either way it's an excellent American made product as well. Spoke with the owners they are super nice dudes. It will ultimately come down to custom service we can only speak for Glacier and it's A1

[@SCOTT218X]

Good useful information , how about taking a power washer and some simple green and wash the shit out of that engine bay it would look alot better don't ya think

[@DIYKAI]

😂 we actually did clean it