Why you should install a "rear suck down winch"

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@MikeAnderson-uj3oo 8 ай бұрын

Good explanation of a rear suck down winch brother. I've been using them on my offroad trucks for at least 25 years or more. Just a cheap ATV winch with some nylon rope attached to a welded loop on the axle truss. For trucks with a fairly stock rear axle I've made loops that attach to the diff cover bolts. Once you start using a suck down winch you will quickly discover how useful they can be.

@BlackAndBlueGarage 8 ай бұрын

Awesome! That's encouraging, I haven't tried the method myself but I plan on playing with it a bunch.

@BlackAndBlueGarage 8 ай бұрын

I should have added that when the suspension unloads the truck is at 65° and that's why it flips over, meaning it flips over at the same angle. We're just exploiting physics 🤷🏻‍♂️

@NT5RA_Still_Learning 7 ай бұрын

I can see this having multiple benefits with a lifted truck. I.E. lower the bed/tailgate for easier loading/unloading, or to get under a gooseneck or 5th wheel that is just a bit too low. It beats letting the air out of the tires, especially on a dually!

@BlackAndBlueGarage 6 ай бұрын

That's fair. I hadn't thought of it that way. My dad keeps telling me I could snake the winch through a series of pulleys, up through the bed so I can pull heavy objects into it. It would put his mind at ease knowing that a suck-down winch doesn't have just one job 😂

@ddantic 7 ай бұрын

Pulling down the suspension makes a huge difference. I think the biggest advantage to it is the huge reduction in the pogo effect that happens when a bump is hit and the suspension reacts to it. A lot of people run a central limit strap to help stop the suspension from unloading, but the winch is adjustable on the fly allowing more droop travel when desired, or less when need be. I run suck down winches in the front and rear. I don’t like using my recovery winch to pull down on the suspension, because if I’m in a position to need a winch line, I may not want to have to unload my suspension to make it available.

@simonburnby 7 ай бұрын

My thought would be install a pulley block on the axle and run a double line pull. Decrease the strain on the winch but also pull each side down evenly

@olivermillican8098 7 ай бұрын

One of the best videos I have seen in a long time! He had an idea, explained and proved said idea, and had fun in the process!! Great video!!

@BlackAndBlueGarage 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Sometimes I'm explaining it to myself too lol but these types of things fascinate me the most

@Ram_Jam99 8 ай бұрын

Love your channel man! I have an opportunity to get a good deal on a long bed Comanche, I was hesitant at first, but your bed chop videos have inspired me! Keep them coming man! 👍

@BlackAndBlueGarage 8 ай бұрын

Thank you! That means a lot. If I had another chance to chop the bed, I'd make it shorter behind the tires even more. Better departure angle but who knows maybe I won't need that much clearance.

@NT5RA_Still_Learning 7 ай бұрын

Great video! Using the RC as a "working" (or at least rolling) example was a fantastic idea! I've never even heard of a suck down winch, but with my F350 riding a bit high it would come in really handy at times! It might take a bigger winch to overcome the dually springs LOL! 🤔

@BlackAndBlueGarage 7 ай бұрын

I bet! That's a big truck. Have you seen the Aculevel systems they have now? Insanely pricey but impressive.

@NT5RA_Still_Learning 7 ай бұрын

@@BlackAndBlueGarage Yeah, nice, but we'll stick with a small winch and AirLift bags for now. Not planning to do a lot of rock crawling because it is so long/wide it simply won't fit on many of the trails. I'm not a big fan of the 15 point turn! But for the occasional crawl, you betcha!

@NT5RA_Still_Learning 7 ай бұрын

@@BlackAndBlueGarage I have a Sherpa 25,000 lb winch on the front, soon to have another on the rear. Not knowing what a suck down winch was, when you said you were using a 2,500 lb winch, I thought you messed up and really meant 25,000 lb! LOL 😂

@xTinBenderX 7 ай бұрын

Reminds me of a Unimog on a steep downhill or that video a rig goes end over with a huge cage (top heavy) that falls off lol Also if you have the ability (Atlas) to shift to front drive only also helps with steep descents.

@BlackAndBlueGarage 7 ай бұрын

I can't afford Atlas lol. I am separating my brakes for brake steering which should give me the ability to "drag brake" both rears. I would love to own a unimog one day if I'm rich and famous lol

@TrailTime. 8 ай бұрын

Yet again I miss read something. I thought is said “why you shouldn’t install a rear suck down winch” I sat here listening for you to give me a reason to says… no, you should have one. Well…that never happened and you explained it well.

@BlackAndBlueGarage 8 ай бұрын

Oh 😆. I need to get better at titles etc.

@TrailTime. 8 ай бұрын

@@BlackAndBlueGarage titles grate, I think I need to slow down and read better.

@BlackAndBlueGarage 8 ай бұрын

@@TrailTime. Same. I have home school dyslexia and minor ASD 🤷🏻‍♂️ you can tell a little in my videos but I edit most of that stuff out 😆

@forename_surname 6 ай бұрын

your welder sounds like hot butter! nice!

@ka4172 Ай бұрын

Nice winch trick i think i try it on one of my RC Crawlers.! do you also build a overdrive front axel in your 1:1?

@BlackAndBlueGarage Ай бұрын

@@ka4172 nooooo lol. But one day I'll build something with a twin stick for that one time I get a bad idea lol

@NAPAuniversalJoints 7 ай бұрын

when you were talking about brakes, when you are in 4x4 and locked diffs, there is no brake bias, each wheel is mechanically link and even if you only had one wheel brake, all the tire would brake at the same rate. also read in the comments you are separating you front and rear brakes? do you have a t-case that can do fwd/ front digs?

@BlackAndBlueGarage 7 ай бұрын

No I'm planning on separating the front and both rears for diff steering/cutting brakes. I think I can shift to 2wd and hit both rear brakes for drag braking. And good point about 4wd in relationship to brake pressure splits. It's just something that popped in my mind at the time. This will be my first full size selectable locker; I'll probably go Atlas t-case when I build an actual rock crawler. I just hope this will be good enough for a trail truck setup.

@rcmike09 8 ай бұрын

If it was me, i believe i would only have enough cable to go around the spool the width of the spool, and go down to the axle. Basically dont have extra cable. For one, when you dont have weight on it, ir wont loosen up the wraps, and for 2, less weight. I would even consider rope instead of cable.

@BlackAndBlueGarage 8 ай бұрын

Not an insane idea. When I fix the end I might pull some of that cable out

@NT5RA_Still_Learning 7 ай бұрын

I am guessing that a suck down winch can be adjusted on the fly, provided you have a remote in the cab. When it comes to sucking down, I'm sure you can know how much line to take up by ear, hearing the load on the winch. But how do you know how much line to let out when returning to regular ride height? Too much and you've got a loop hanging under the truck. Does it basically require that you stop and get out every time you want to adjust it?

@BlackAndBlueGarage 7 ай бұрын

That's what I'm wondering also. I'm still contemplating a cable system to the free spool knob. I'm hoping I can just guess at first and adapt to something only if I run into that problem. Bigger fish to fry first tho.

@NT5RA_Still_Learning 7 ай бұрын

@@BlackAndBlueGarage Why free spool? Would it hurt to leave it engaged? We're talking only inches of line length adjustment either way. Dunno.