Why you SHOULDN’T Re-jet your (AUS SPEC) DR650 carburettor & hack air-box : Vince Strang’s opinion

[@jonathanblackmore986]

Great video. Vince knows his stuff. My DR 650 is the only bike I've ever had the brains to hold onto and I've been through a lot of bikes in the last 30 years. I really like these no crap videos because you and Vince are not trying to sell me sh£$e that doesn't work or I really don't need. Keep it up, men.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thank you , I appreciate the support. That is what I was going for, whether people agree or not. Straight forward message

[@ComfyDadShoes]

You can tell this guy knows his shit in the first 15 seconds. So glad I saw this video.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Glad you watched it .. he most certainly does know his shit. Taught me alot

[@MalJ-eb7nv]

All makes sense to me. I have experience on many types of engines/ carbies and have to agree with your reasoning. I have had my stock engined DR in the exreme outback in Australia on long trips. I have shipped my DR to New Zealand for a private tour and did a few thousand km. Mountain roads and low lands. No trouble. My opinion - leave it alone- you are likely to just chase your tail. Just enjoy the ride on this great motorcycle.

[@davidnightingale7237]

I totally agree, My stock std 650 with factory carby and a Delkevic pipe is trouble free, starts straight away and in a race is always level with or in front of a carby modded bike :-) and as Vince stated I get better fuel economy

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thank you for the comment. Have you changed your pilot jet ? It seems this topic divides the DR650 community

[@davidnightingale7237]

@@unbuckledadventures All still STD. I live @ sea level and I find she pops a little on the overrun when running hard. Ive ridden her through the Vic alps , Snowys, Out West NSW and she runs sweet everywhere apart from a little lean on the overrun........I may change the Pilot jet one day, But I love the reliability and easy starting etc I have now.....If it aint broke dont fix it i say :-)

[@juiceboy-vx3qj]

Vince is correct, I have high comp piston and cleaned the ports up with no rejeting but the rest of the carby mods with open full FMF. The thing is a monster everywhere throughout the rev range with slight better economy. From down Under.

[@brainspace3133]

Allways great to hear what Vince The Wise says. Great vid ,keep them coming.👍

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thanks mate .. motivated more so now due to the excitement of controversy

[@Gusto0172]

I took Vince's advice about 6 years ago when I just acquired my DR, no issues, great economy. Notably, he differentiates less restrictive jetting in Australian models compared to elsewhere.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Exactly.. I should of put that in the beginning of the video to stem the flow of people being offended so haha… and he also mentions he has no doubt it can be done … I think if you enjoy tinkering and will to work at it for sure but it will be at the expense of longevity

[@Gusto0172]

@@unbuckledadventures Indeed, it's all in there, but presumably many people do not watch fully &/or miss some important points. Yeh, you are right re flagging it at the beginning may help. All good fun! Keep up the great vids. Vince's wisdom is so refreshing compared with many other DR vids.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Too true , thanks for the support. When I met him I knew his voice needs to be heard by more ! Will create another video about this topic that is better constructed

[@royjmcc7]

I am in California and I did the Procycle jet kit and It made a huge difference, better low speed and smoother throttle response along with more power.

[@Gusto0172]

Vince did specify that in the US the standard jets are more restrictive than in Aus, so different result with re jetting a US carb, presumably.

[@jarrodleis4046]

I agree 100% with this guy. I’m in Canada and the stock carb is very good. I was just riding with my buddy and he has the opened up air box. My stock 2020 was faster and used less fuel.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Similar to my experiences.. I feel it all depends on the ability of the person modifying it

[@brpo1]

Agree 100%. Only adjustments needed are to turn the fuel screw out 1.25 to 1.50 turns from fully seated and shim the fuel needle .030 inches to fix the factory lean pollution control tune. The shim removes the mid range surging and the enriched fuel screw adjustment removes the inconsistent fall to idle when rolling off throttle on different temperature days. It removes the ultra lean factory tune.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Are you based in US because I believe the factory needle in Australia is different

[@alwayspointnorth]

My 2019 in USA doesn't have a fuel air screw.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Ah ok.. I would like to get a US needle and compare because I don’t think that need shimming is need on the AUS spec carb

[@brpo1]

@@alwayspointnorth it's factory plugged... you need to remove the plug and the screw is there.

[@alwayspointnorth]

@@brpo1 I will look

[@1964mjc]

Mark victor from biker bits sent me here . Interesting watching your journey and your learnings from scratch . Hope you get a bit more knowledge before you set off - lots to learn still - good luck on the journey - subbed

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thank you for the sub and support, That was the idea behind it... hopefully people can learn from my mistakes and there is many more to come in videos from Vince Strang's Motorcycles... 100% no matter how much I learn there will always be a lot more! :)

[@FULLPELTAdventures]

Great advice from Vince.

[@bigjj974]

In the U.S. the bike is just toooo restricted and must be opened up. Even if you don’t need the power going one size on the jets will make the engine run much cooler which adds to the longevity of the engine. I do agree it is a great bike with a great factory set in some countries just not the U.S.

[@fatgixxer4147]

Thanks for weighing up on the other side of the argument. I have ignored the advise and cut up my air box though 😋 but I like to tinker. And thanks more so for showcasing the pilot jet! before and after doing the 'power mods' sometimes it would bog down when giving it a tiny bit of throttle. Definitely going to look into what's going on there. Cheers, enjoy the ride!

[@unbuckledadventures]

Hahaha tinker away good sir I think when done right, can be great Thanks for the comment

[@Booki89]

Interesting theories from Vince. I've found my DR has alot of popping on deaccel with an open pipe. Have a jet kit on order - Barry from cross training enduro seems to think otherwise. If an engine is running lean out of the factory, and you put bigger jets in it you can get better fuel economy as the engine is running more efficiently. I have a 2012 model DR and will post up my results :)

[@unbuckledadventures]

Look forward to seeing you results Booki. I have been told about Barry and will contact him to further understand his opinion. Potentially have a video discussion Cheers

[@Booki89]

@@unbuckledadventures I ended up putting in a procycle jetting kit, airbox door off, cut the spring and drilled the slide. Much prefer the more instant power compared to the rubber band style power the factory setup has. Bike should ride like this out the factory.

[@JB-zg9hb]

I bought a new dr last year then started doing mods to suspension, sprocket gearing, pipe and procycle jet kit. The jet kit made a big difference to throttle response and revs much quicker. Would never go back to stock.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thank you for your comment:) I have heard the same from a lot of people and great to hear! I have a close friend whom I did an earlier episode with called ‘crashing on rainbow beach’ who said the same . If done properly, can be great ! Each to their own Did you cut the spring in the slide and drill a whole in the slide ?

[@JB-zg9hb]

@@unbuckledadventures I cut 50mm hole on the airbox, cut 2 loops off spring drilled extra hole on slide using 45 pilot and 150 main. Had needle on 4th clip as they suggested but ran rich so put it on 3rd fuel screw is 1.3 turns out. Runs way better than stock

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thanks for that detailed response .. Their is a part later in the video where Vince states he doesn’t doubt people can get it right but a lot of people who are not motor savvy get it wrong I just have a 45 pilot and brought the rest back to stock because it wasn’t running right. I like it now . but I purchased mine with 23 g kms on it so whoever modified did not know what they were doing . I also am a less experienced rider and feel it to be more than enough response and power for me to get around the world .

[@davidlopezkk5mt229]

@@unbuckledadventures what are stock jet sizes for Australian bikes?

[@pilotdane1]

@@JB-zg9hb "To both of you" - same exact thing - runs like a freakin BEAST !!!!! - Knowing how to tune it properly makes all the difference in the world. Plus I have a 2015 GIXXR Exhaust - totally different bike. 50 MPG too.... Cheers to both of you !

[@arkoudamotosikletes4919]

love your vid, tough one coz as you intimated it ain't so simple an issue. The stirrer in me cant help but poke a bit of fun as well as thoughts (no offence, I actually do run stock carb / snorkel in, but with a straight through muffler. I would only ever adjust jets if the range of conditions i'm likely to encounter / FAR warranted it, not because someone told me what the right jet size is). Best leave stock? Sure, why not, trust the Suzuki experts; after all they based the DR engine on the Otto cycle! Those in the know may remember Toyota's famous "Otto cycle" / "O2 advantage" campaign of the 1990's and how good those engines performed in motorsports! But why not modify it (IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. Even something simple isn't: Is a richer pilot jet preferable to a standard size with a tweak to the mixture screw??? ). And there's more chance of oil dilution from a conservative one size fits all stock bike setup than an individually calibrated modified setup. The DR's carb has been designed and built to a set of priorities and targets of the whole system (reliable, quiet, smooth, safe, inexpensive, compact, warrantiable motor). Unfortunately, it doesn't match what some riders want so it's understandable getting the throttle to open quicker without bogging, and not having the overall airflow overly baffled (restricted), will be sought; but lets face it even the stock settings / setup are only a touch more conservative a compromise of exactly the same things anyway and the mods are hardly radical by comparison. And sure, the mods can't provide miracles but extra air / fuel at proper FAR is still extra power; I'm sure anyone that understands the fluid mechanics and thermodynamics of it all could correctly explain why compression ratios, valve size/lift/duration etc ultimately determine the potential pumping capacity / power whilst someone who knows their mechanical engineering could point out the longevity limitations of the 40+ year old mechanical / material/cooling design. Hmmm, come to think of it, more valve duration means more power less fuel efficiency ; is that a good mod??? I'm looking forward to catching up with your why you shouldn't revalve your DR650 suspension. And if anyone actually reads this and has revalved their shock and it works well, please message me the shim stack so i can give it a try.

[@davidrivera1727]

I really enjoy your videos. I have a stock DR 2022 I’m in the US .My question is are the DR sold in the US the same as the ones sold in Australia as far as the carburetor and jetting?thank you.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thank you 😊 i appreciate that . More coming I have never ridden one in the US but from what I have been told , they are jetted differently . Leaner in the states I believe

[@RKmndo]

I don't cut my airbox. At sea level, I just pulled the snorkel, installed upgraded filters, installed an extended idle-mix screw, and installed adjustable overseas/KTM needles. At higher altitudes, I can pull the sidecover off of the airbox and adjust the idle-mix screw. For extreme altitude changes, I could adjust the needle by clip position or shim. A GSXR muff is in my shed, awaiting install.

[@unbuckledadventures]

I like it . A bit different to most but obviate you have a good idea of what your doing . I prefer to have so that I don’t have to modify for altitude changes .. but as Vince would say .. you sound like a tinkerer Thanks for the message

[@jackheinemann1994]

In Australia we just don't have the altitude swings like you blokes do over there. Extreme altitude changes in Australia consist of driving up the Toowoomba range, which is like 3000ft at the top of the hill

[@MrEtnorb]

I’ve never heard of oil dilution problems with the DR. That should only occur if the rings weren’t bedded in correctly. I fitted the Procycle 790 kit and it transforms the bike on the road, much better acceleration for overtaking and uphill. Really hurts the fuel consumption but I don’t cross the Simpson, and fitted a 25 L tank. Worst standard suspension of any bike I’ve owned, life threatening to be blunt. They won’t be sold soon, due to new rules re ABS.

[@aussiefarmer8741]

Mine has the air box mod already done when I bought it. However ive put a stocking over it to stop crap getting in. Its really fine but still lets it breath.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Same as my DR The stocking is a great idea 💡 I was gonna do something similar as I didn’t like idea of a big hole 🕳 where stuff could get in

[@michaellapalice3068]

Like the video and anyone like me that rips a dr 650 there great bikes and I have been trashing bikes for 40 years in northen ont Canada and the dr has been my best one over the years and outlast all others even my honda wasnt as tough .

[@unbuckledadventures]

The land cruiser of the motorbike world 🌍 thanks 😊

[@sjbechet1111]

Hmmm - I made a link pipe, swapped the silencer for a Hayabusa can and pulled the snorkel. It starts way easier, the drive snatch around 80kmh has gone - it holds 100k in top on a fraction of the throttle and is way faster on top gear acceleration over 100k.

[@Coldbrookdangee]

I did fmf slip on, 2 inch hole saw out of stock airbox, 155 dyno main jet with needle shimmed on 2 not 4. A/f screw two turns out. It’s running like a dream super responsive and climbs to 100 much faster than before with a little throttle left still. When the K&n air filter arrives it might make it too lean but for now it’s perfect

[@pikipikioverland]

100% Both our DR's on 100 000km each and both have been over 5000m altitude many times and still stock standard. He is not wrong. You can't push out enough more horses to make it a better bike. Leave it as is.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Great to hear! Gives me confidence for my precious Siyanda for the future

[@TwoUpTourer]

+1 Rare to find someone who like me has left it stock, and it just works. Like you, I also have ridden at over 5000m several times, which limits the number of places that we could nominate to do that :) , and it surprised me how just about anything is rideable at that altitude. Scooters, ordinary domestic cars, 350 Enfields, but according to the bike forums you 'should' get out your screwdriver and tinker the bejesus out of your carb or it won't be at its peak performance! Difference is that I/we have been there, and they haven't!

[@davidlopezkk5mt229]

What exactly would a person in the US need to do to get their DR650 carb to Australian stock specs? What are the stock jet sizes?

[@unbuckledadventures]

As far as I know … The stock jet in Australia is a 140 main and 42.5 pilot.. the key difference is the needle.. the US has a different needle clip in a fixed position, the Aus/Canada/UK needle has different need with an adjustable clip(5 slots to adjust) Use this link for better description dr650.zenseeker.net/Carburetor.htm I am told the airscrew port is blocked on US carbs and can be drilled out . Not 100% sure though I as per VSM changed to a 45 pilot jet as it runs smoother and starts easier , less backfiring with my TKP exhaust Jet needle in Australia is 6F19 adjustable Part number 13332-32E00

[@chicanopatriot4322]

So Vince says to only replace the pilot(size?) jet for ez cold starts? Ok .Will it help a 1990 DR Kickstart model? Everything I've done to this bike has to be custom DIY. no aftermarket parts for my 90. Thnx men.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Yes he says that but sometimes he will put a 145 main jet if the bike is too lean

[@prairiedog879]

So where can i get the Aus carb setup specs? I know it's a different needle but what jetting?

[@unbuckledadventures]

You could order it from Vince strang motorcycles online shop and get it posted to where ever you are They will be from Suzuki

[@unbuckledadventures]

The jetting was 145 main jet and 42.5 pilot but I was running a 45 pilot jet

[@royjmcc7]

check this out ,DR650 project: transforming the stock carburetor! (BST magic)︱Cross Training Adventure

[@chicanopatriot4322]

Great content men 👏. I'm in cen cal valley. I've ported the exhaust pipe at the weld,and put on a dominator slip on. But after seeing this vid...I think I'll skip on cutting holes/rejetting. So should I leave snorkel off or put it back on? If there's no advantages to having it off... then I'd rather put it back on to . Any advice is greatly appreciated. Ty u for your time and knowledge Sirs.

[@unbuckledadventures]

I am merely a novice but I would put it back on The engineers put it there for a reason. I feel by having it off you carby breather hose could be competing for air with the air box unless you place it elsewhere .. as you can see in the comments many would disagree and have varying opinions …

[@chicanopatriot4322]

@@unbuckledadventures right on thnx!

[@MrBrowne86]

Do you need to do any mods after adding a pipe (screaming demon)?

[@unbuckledadventures]

I will ask Vince in a future video interview But as far as I know a one size bigger pilot (45) should be fine and then tube with airfuel screw.. If still to lean maybe change position of clip on needle but I think just the pipe should be good P. S I am far from an expert… will ask Vince and give you an expert opinion

[@MrBrowne86]

@@unbuckledadventures cheers legend. Got the bush pig as a 1st bike. What a weapon it is 🤙🏻 keep up the great content.

[@jackheinemann1994]

Yes you can 'wash the bore' if jetted too rich. But the bike will be running like a dog well before that point.

[@williambrown4230]

I should have listened to this guy spent my whole summer so far messing with this damn carburetor and still not running right

[@unbuckledadventures]

I guess the best way to learn is through experience sometimes haha Awesome that you could reflect though What was your opinion of the video before ?

[@williambrown4230]

I thought maybe the guy that I had jetting my bike would be able to do it like I said it was helpful but it didn't work just a waste of money

[@unbuckledadventures]

@@williambrown4230 true, that sucks some people do do it right so I understand why you assumed that, at least you can always go back to stock and take the lesson

[@sheepdog819]

Did the jet kit and I hesitation in some rpm. Feels like going against sporadic gusts of head winds.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Haha I think I under what you mean So positive outcome or negative? Which jet kit?

[@sheepdog819]

@@unbuckledadventures bought them through procycle. I also ripped out the emissions stuff. I'd say, as long as I don't feel the hesitation, it's great.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Sounds good 👌🏽

[@caveyful]

Agree. After swapping back and forth jets and springs, widening and then closing again the airbox I have found some modest gains and achieved >165km top speed, a few % better kpl and significantly better response with stock pipe. Although coming from a motocross background I enjoy riding and tinkering in equal degree the effort and cost involved negates the improvements, unless you are said tinkerer. It requires riding in varying conditions, noting and recording in a log and then diagnosing then changing and repeat. Any hardware mods will put you back a few steps again. Any significant power gains will also significantly reduce durability.

[@unbuckledadventures]

We’ll said!! I might use that in the next video I make about this topic As increasing durability is the reason why I took mine back to stock mostly except for aftermarket exhaust and bigger pilot

[@SunTravelVlog]

yah

[@jesseholmes1860]

Tell vince the jd jet kits mint I get 250km out of standard tank and go's alot better 🤙 runs good temps to oh yea cut spring to 😎

[@joellaurin9007]

I agree to disagree. My new DR650SE (Canada) has a very bad off idle stumble and very poor mid range power, especially when trying to hold a specific speed. Let alone the sketchy throttle control ability. Basically on and off. All this forces me to run at higher RPM and higher RPMS for taking off from a start. What does all this equal.... inefficiency and excessive fuel consumption, also all this aids developing bad habits. An off factory tune is required, at least in North America, especially for carburated bikes. In fact, he said it himself. Australia has more lax emission laws than North America..... so for us, proper tuning is a big deal.....

[@unbuckledadventures]

Too true .. a lot of told me the same about the bikes over there 👉🏽… each to their own aswell. There are a fair few in Australia that believe it to be as necessary as you say

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thanks for the well said comment

[@bradjones2803]

yes M8

[@doublex632]

Pull the snorkel and call it a day. Been there done it. LOL thanks

[@unbuckledadventures]

😂 each to there own brother … engineers put it there for a reason ? Right?

[@coobye]

I've got to totally disagree with Vince here. I've done the BST Magic to my last two Dr's and it made a huge difference especially for a maximum of $20 for a few jets. My filters aren't any dirtier and I've never heard of any oil dilution ever. My fuel consumption actually improved. Sorry but there's some dodgy misinformation in this episode mate. I'm thinking Mr Strang is looking after his own business here lol. I live in Australia too.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Better fuel consumption?! What size jet you running ? Did you also cut the spring and , drill the extra hole in slide? ifeel I need to make another video to explain my opinion better. But you’re allowed to disagree with Vince and me :) Every DR is different… It definitely can be done right as you have done and one of my friends in the rainbow beach episode. But a lot get it wrong .. I am confident I could get it right but I am a tamer rider and it’s plenty for me .. also wanna get mine to 300 k Also Vince has received 100s of calls from people who have done it wrong and their bike runs worse which is one of the reasons this is his opinion. I appreciate your comment though, thank you.. Haha 😂 his business would not profit from this info lol he didn’t even ask for these videos or advertising… all my idea Leverage his fame for my channel

[@coobye]

@@unbuckledadventures I was only getting 16kpl when I bought my DR which has a full staintune system. It had a 145 main in it. I was lucky to get 350 to 400kms out of the 25L Acerbis. I'm currently running a 155 mains and 45 pilot but am going to put a 47.5 pilot in like I did on my last DR. I cut the spring, D shaped the white washer on the needle so it sits down in the seat, drilled an extra hole in the top of the slide, drilled a 50 mm hole in the top of the air box as far away from the carbie breather as possible and I think I put the needle in the fourth groove. Remember these settings are with a full Staintune system and a foam aftermarket air filter ( Funnelweb ). I also ground the needle down to a 1mm point from about 20mm from the sharp end of the needle. There are different levels of tune depending on what you have. For example if you have a stock exhaust you aren't going to get the benefit compared to having a slip on or full aftermarket exhaust. I've bought plenty of stuff off Vince so not knocking him. Everyone has an opinion and I'm just going on my real world experience. I can't imagine there's been 100's of people getting their jetting wrong but who knows. You would be best contacting Gordon on ADVrider. His user name is 0405canvet. He's just over the Queensland border and he's the one who developed the BST Magic. Here's a video and a link on DRRIDERS. The first video explains the procedure better. If you not competent/confident it's probably best to leave it alone which is probably why so many people have a problem. Saying that it's not hard to do . No bike is the same so I'm guessing people do the mod expecting it to be perfect first time ( my first DR mod was perfect first time luckily ) but you may have to tweak the needle or jets one size either direction to get spot on and they probably don't have the knowledge to know which way to go or change too many things at once. It really isn't hard. drriders.com/bst-magic-stock-carb-mods-dr650-derestriction-inst-t16700.html kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3-UkohmfJmMh6c kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGiqlIGaoamqms0

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thank you.. good to hear yours is running well and interesting to hear your fuel consumption is better considering more fuel is being pushed through. Would you be interested in a video interview? Thank you I have heard of BST magic I will try go and interview him to get a verdict from the that point of view do you know where near Qld border Yes 🙌🏽 it is a bike that can be altered to be unique so I strongly believe there is no right or wrong answer.. I will do a video comparing a 100% stock 2021 full stock exhaust DR650 to myne which has bigger pilot and slip on … and to a 2021 DR with JD jetting/ air box hole/tapered needle and extra slide hole which runs well If I can find someone with a procycle kitted dr I’ll add that as a fourth bike

[@coobye]

@@unbuckledadventures Mate, I hate doing a Facetime conversations with my daughter let alone doing an interview. Ask Barry from the the video I posted. I'm pretty sure he would be up for an interview and Gordon is a nice bloke too. Keep in mind that if the DR is unrestricted it will require less throttle to give the same or better performance which is one reason it gets better economy. You can run taller gearing which equates to lower revs and better economy also. I'm no expert, I just followed Gordons BST Magic recommendations and saw instant results both times.

[@dariodelolmogarrido4045]

I completely disagree. If youu know what you are doing and have an intimate feeling for the BST40 you have baby jesus in your hajnds. Best bike in the world with a discerning carb mod and free flow exhaust.

[@unbuckledadventures]

You are one of many people who believe so and as you say of you know what you doing . Can be excellent!

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thanks for the comment

[@jackheinemann1994]

Completely agree, I've got my bike tuned right and it is amazing to ride, I couldn't imagine it being any better. It was a dog when I got it.

[@kamiljay2697]

im not that technical incline so will just leave stock lol

[@unbuckledadventures]

Haha much like me . Although I feel I could get the modification right knowing what I know now but the bike is perfect for me stock .

[@stevekealy339]

There is so much just plain wrong information here: We HAVE ridden our DRs around the world - with stock jets, cut springs, drilled slides, ground needles and GSXR exhausts: the so-called BST Magic. The rest of the motors are stock. Immediately it was done, we noticed far better throttle response and had to turn the idle down. All three bikes easily topped 161 km/h on correctly-calibrated Vapor computers. The bikes are now on roughly 70,000km - stock pistons, cams, valves - even the clutches. Valve clearances have barely moved, if at all. Our fuel consumption went DOWN with these mods - loaded with all the gear we needed to live on the road for a year, we were routinely getting 23-24km/l even on questionable fuel, dirt roads and rough terrain; I cut 1" x 2" holes in the airbox on the shore of Lake Titicaca (between Peru and Bolivia, where we went 5200 metres ASL) to let in more air, and I put duct-tape over the holes below 4000m. I have never found any traces of so-called "Oil dilution" even when the oil temp soared in heavy traffic of plugging through jungles and landslides - but we do have manual fuel taps and know enough to routinely turn the fuel off overnight. Oil & filter changes at 6000km intervals. This misleading information is nothing more than an advert for a shameless self-promoting dealer and it ensures that I'll not being buying from that business again.

[@unbuckledadventures]

Thank you for your opinion backed up from what’s sounds like some amazing experiences! May I ask how this video promotes Vince’s business? I don’t see how this video promotes his business ? Please inform me if possible I am sure he would be sad to lose you as a customer.

[@kerritanner6558]

I wonder about Vince’s comments if he really believes what he says then why is his website promoting and selling these products seems pretty hip a critical to me

[@unbuckledadventures]

@@kerritanner6558 the opinions you hear in the video are his personal opinions about what he would do. His business provides a wide range of products so people have the choice to do what they want. As it is a personal bike, people have different preferences. As he has said to me before...he would not use most of what he sells. The demand is there so he provides it . He is a simple practical guy who doesn't overdo the mods, everything has a reason.

[@torkrench]

I call BS for US models anyway.

[@unbuckledadventures]

I am yet to try a us model and as he says in the video different countries have different restrictions so mabye your right. A lot of the us people on fb and here say that they are too lean stock. Everyone has a different experience, maybe goes better stock with bigger 45 pilot and aftermarket exhaust What size jet does it come with stock in US ?

[@Coldbrookdangee]

@@unbuckledadventures 140 i think