Why your 16th doubles choke out at 120bpm

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Are your doubles choking out, becoming softer and more muddled when you reach 120bpm?
If your doubles get quieter and sloppier as you get faster, and more specifically your 16th doubles completely choke out into oblivion at 120bpm, leaving you frustrated with your lack of technical prowess… Then today’s lesson is for you.
There’s a reason why many drummers’ doubles fall apart at 120, and we’re going to target that weak spot today… So that your doubles are strong, clean, and actually applying to the drumset for faster timekeeping & more intricate playing.
The secret lies in making sure you’re doing this one thing BEFORE working in the fingers. I’ll show you how today. YOU CAN DO THIS.
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[@bp-2511]

Out of the huge KZbin dumpster fire we call “drum instructional videos” about doubles…. This little gem of a video finally surfaced in my feed. THANK YOU for this lesson! Great camera angles to really showcase how this technique works! Awesome breakdown and explanation for how to practice and learn this technique! What a great video! Keep up the good work!

[@mmckmusic]

nice video man, I've only just start teaching myself drums last month so this demystifies the 'double' significantly, thank you!

[@Crayma800]

Taken up drumming after a 10 year hiatus. This will really help. It's all starting to come back. Thankyou!

[@christianbrill3746]

Nice and helpful video. Thanks! I've just taken up after 30 years and not only does all come back quite quickly, but I also learn to connect to my younger self though playing. What a really nice experience!

[@joelint1327]

This is the exact guidance I've been looking for. Thanx brother.

[@TheIst0NE]

I don't even play the drums but I enjoyed this video very much

[@sparklyfiend81]

Been struggling so much with this lately. I think im getting worse! I will try this out, thanks.

[@rondeangelis7384]

Steve onc of the best vids you have done because you are addressing one of the most important rudiment. Nice that you start of with rebound. Too me rebound is the essential technique to start with for any rudiment. Tribute to Tony Williams who advocated write strokes for doubles which you clearly addressed. The thid parts with open/closed and stick height was perfect demonstration. So back to the drawing board.... great job 👌

[@eddieb4228]

My long story short.. I just got my practice pad. A 7" Evans real feel and an old snare stand. I love it, not only am i practicing rudiments but I'm also practicing hitting center cause i constantly hit the snare grips lol I used to tell my percussion teacher.. "I don't wanna practice on a pad.. i wanna play on a drum set".. i was a lil shitty kid and i DID play on a drumset from the age of 10 to now (38), but i always felt "just ok" at drumming.. people loved my drumming but I'm finally practicing my rudiments as of a week ago.. my doubles were (struggling) at 145, now at about 165.. my paradiddle around 140, and PDD around 125.. sorry Mr. Barr, now I'm practicing! Sorry for giving you a hard time! Lmao

[@jeffbutler1661]

GREAT lesson!! Very helpful

[@OwOLilith]

my doubles... capped at around 160 bpm. before this video within a month of sheer practice and dedication to this lesson, I got it up to 180. (Still flushing it out to this day at this speed. It's never over until you can master it in any circumstance. Must be Perfect! XD) ok.. not perfect but I see myself 100% completing the lesson before going on to next. personally if I can do the practice, for 10 minutes, no mistakes for at least a week straight. It's pretty well mechanized into my brain at that point and I can learn more stuff involving or different, or move to faster speeds. but def!! slower is better practice

[@MasonJF]

For me, it's because I only picked up drumming a month ago at 31. Trying to get my rudiments down.

[@krusher74]

its great you have found this so soon in your drumming, I was playing self taught at home for 20 years before I learned doubles!

[@JK-zo4px]

Thats exactly my Problem. Thank you 😊

[@TungstenBerries-n3z]

I am left-handed beginner playing usual right-handed kit. My problem is stubborn offhand fingers. It's quite ok to play ride, but going lower with hand to snare, offhand fingers get stiff; I feel big difference between left and right hand stick handling.

[@golflre7179]

Me too, darn right hand fingers are stiff!

[@halloola3636]

Try to relax your shoulders! Usually the fingers get stiff if neck and shoulders cramp up.

[@KendrasEdge757]

Focus more time on your weak hand. You can also swap your kit to left handed. Move the kit to what fits you best.

[@papacos4745]

I'm self taught left handed drummer that plays open handed on a righty setup for 20 years. But about 5 years ago I wanted to change my setup so i bought a remote hihat moved to the 12 o'clock position right in front of me. Then I moved rack and floor tom on my left side. I love this setup now

[@KendrasEdge757]

@@papacos4745 there ya go! I’m right handed and want a second set of hats on cable for that basic position as well.

[@sammieglass7566]

What's the Roll of the Forefinger ?

[@elephantgrass631]

The reason starts at 4:15.

[@ptitdsf]

around 120 is indeed the tempo i start to struggle at. one thing i noticed you did not mention is the grip. my hands tend to lean toward the German grip, so my paulm are facing down, at high tempos, it is harder to use my finger, especially with my weak hand. You use the american grip (i think). Does it make it easier or is it better?

[@eugeniofioriti]

I feel that every grip has something to teach us regarding sound, coordination, phrasing, and many other aspects. It is wise to try being systhematic in regards of applying whatever exercise you do, in as many grips as possible. That way, with just a few pieces of theoric material or wathever technique you may be working on, you can automatically multiply it by four grips and learn much more than expected.

[@AardvaarkTonto]

If you work the fingers or try Frernch grip then I found my most guilty fault wasa using too much force with the left hand or LH fingers.

[@techwreck1]

I want to learn drums but I don’t want to spend money right away, should I get a practice pad? And could you make a video about this topic because a lot of beginners are facing thing problem would be appreciated.

[@baha_ospanov]

you abosolutely should buy practice pad AND a teacher. I believe thats essential

[@mrmisfit635]

Most definitely get a practice pad and a pair of good sticks!

[@goodtimejohnny8972]

For me its a lack of practice, And sometimes smashed fingers from work 😅

[@logic_rules]

Whats the fastest bpm can you do doubles smoothly?

[@golflre7179]

Excellent lesson! Thx Stephen

[@TheTamiyaShow]

I always had a problem moving the doubles around the kit. I could do doubles all day at different temples but, once it was time to move it around, epic fail 😞

[@MalikEmmanuel]

I would assume that you aren’t accenting the second note of the double.

[@nadvoodoo2871]

It seems to me that my strong hand is always cheating. It can do doubles with and without fingers and they are always clear. And no matter what a weak hand does, it must first gain strength like a strong one

[@s4lroachclip]

I need this lesson in 1st person view. Nobody does that.

[@CrappyProducts]

You actually don't need fingers at all, it's all in the wrist and the middle finger fulcrum. Look at Vinnie, Garibaldi, etc, no one uses fingers for doubles, it's all the Murray Spivack/Richard Wilson technique

[@mrmisfit635]

Tony Williams says if you're playing doubles without using your fingers, your technique is willy nilly, because you're relegated to the surface you're playing on, and only relying on rebound/bounce.

[@CrappyProducts]

@@mrmisfit635 sure, but again if you rely solely on fingers to play doubles you are also dependent on the surface. The point being is that fingers should be the last last thing that you'd need. 95% of the time your wrists do all the work. More control

[@mannys1930]

@@CrappyProducts yeah, this would have been better if he played a double stroke with the second note accented. That's how you get there ( to me). Plus Tony says, and I quote " I don't rely on bounce " It's straight off one of the clinic videos, Dallas maybe ?

[@runes7456]

You can safely start the video at exactly 4 minutes. The guy obv has skills but boy does he love to waste your time.

[@JacquelinePenna]

It’s called educating. Gotta explain things for those that are new.

[@TeunLos]

Thanks

[@fujitattooz5127]

the guy obv is an awesome dude.

[@circletwerk]

You must be an iPad kid with a short attention span

[@arsonne]

I feel this way about the 80/20 drummer. His content is fine but it just draaaaaags