Why your tomatoes are tasteless: Mechanical Harvesting

You might not be aware that the tomatoes you most likely buy at the store today are not the same that you might have eaten just, say, around seventy years ago. In fact, your tomatoes likely taste worse. Because tomatoes were forever changed by an invention that most people have likely never seen, nor even thought about.
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[@ganymededarling]

Grew buckets and buckets of heirloom tomatoes in my first garden this year. I'll never go back.

[@JoshJones-37334]

Cherokee purples. You can cross pollinate them with other tomatoes and end up with tasty results.

[@patmcbride9853]

Increased CO2 is great for veggies!

[@Andres_1970]

@@patmcbride9853 So are Hurricanes ... Plenty of water !

[@markcinco8405]

@@Andres_1970 🤣

[@pristineperistome5696]

@@JoshJones-37334that affects the next generation of fruit not this one

[@lisapop5219]

So that's why store bought tastes like sadness

[@BornIn1500]

They also ship them very green/unripe so they're less likely to bruise and they get red by the time you buy them. The whole process just sucks for taste.

[@two_tier_gary_rumain]

I first noticed the taste difference in 1971. It's when the local farmers switched to Floridade tomatoes.

[@richardjohnson4238]

This brings back memories of working on a tomato farm, in Hanover County, Virginia (home of the semi-famous, Hanover Tomatos, a minor character in Patricia Cornwall novels) as a pre/teen in the 60's for $5.00 a day. We set the plants using a young plant in a clod of dirt. One man following a wagon, picking up two plants at a time, using a grave diggers shovel, handing off, one to one side, then one to the other. Don't make him wait. Then we would set the clod, cover it with dirt like a dog digging a hole. Plain old stoop work. Repeat for hours. Then later we'd come back and put a wooden stake about 3 feet tall next to the plant, the over time tie the plant to the stake with a loose knot. Then sucker the plants (remove branches that weren't going to produce fruit) until finally there was fruit on the vine to be picked. Up and down the rows for hours, about 10-12 hours day at least six days, and sometimes after church on Sunday. Hard work, but for a 12-16 year old boy, it was the path to manhood. We were expected to work like men, and when we did, we were treated like men. Lunch was provided, either an almost feast at the farmers house, or maybe just bologna and bread, and an RC Cola out in the field. I wish I could do it all over again, but I'm an old man now, and the farm is a subdivision. Such is progress.

[@meedwards5]

❤

[@1leadvocal]

I'm at the other end. I (little red-haired girl) picked tomotoes with my step father's migrant family. And cukes. You really don't want the sunburns I got before the age of 14, when I refused to go anymore. I grow tomatoes at home now, when I can. All the fields that were healthy veggies around here are now corn and beans, and killing the soil.

[@diceportz7107]

I have been raising and canning tomatoes for over 50 year. My Mom and Dad did the same. I have only eaten store bought tomatoes in salads in restaurants.

[@walterlowe8322]

When he said, "the tomato doesn't taste the same as the tomato from 60 years ago," I thought, "I wouldn't know - I wasn't around in the 1930's." Somewhat later I realized 60 years ago was 1964. How did that happen? Dang, I'm old!

[@samiam619]

The song “When I’m 64” comes to mind.

[@mbgal7758]

I still feel like the 90’s were 20 years ago

[@mikenixon2401]

You are not alone.

[@tnwhiskey68]

Happens to us all! I guess our 20s are "our time" and people before that are old and after they are young!

[@tnwhiskey68]

I appreciate you History Guy! You deserve to be remembered!

[@diggernash1]

Spent my afternoons and summers helping on my grandad's subsistence farm. Was plowing behind a mule by 10 years old. It isn't just tomatoes that taste better coming from your own ground.

[@worldsstongeststrains983]

As a botanist tomatoes are definitely a fruit. A big part of why tomatoes have lost their flavour (in Canada anyway) is that they are bred for early harvesting and picked unripened (green) for shipping and shelf life convenience. A vine ripened, hand cultivated Roma, Sungold or Apero tomato will provide an unparalleled sweetness over any hothouse or beefsteak tomato.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

As a laymen even I know tomatoes are fruit. The idea SCOTUS found otherwise is absurd.

[@dataroman8111]

Roma is awfull. blee...

[@bobbymac9877]

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad.

[@mkshffr4936]

My favorite fruit is Avocado. 😇

[@302Diane]

Victoria Coren Mitchell made that comment on QI (a British TV series). Then she tried a tomato in a fruit salad and said it was much better than she'd expected.

[@Nudhul]

no

[@flotinaway7]

@@mkshffr4936 An avocado isn't a fruit, it's an indulgance😁

[@fisharmor]

Philosophy is asking whether ketchup is a smoothie

[@NEEDCheese]

I was just talking to my mother about tasteless tomatoes yesterday!

[@joebullock5450]

Thanks for Ketchup’ing us up on the modern Tomato’s 🍅🥫

[@TypeOneg]

😂

[@tnwhiskey68]

Thanks for trying to amuse this comment section!

[@RYMITHE]

😂 ba dum tissss

[@robertjensen1438]

Why did the tomato turn red? It saw the salad dressing.

[@TypeOneg]

😂

[@MacTX]

I guess this explains why I loved tomatoes as a kid, would pick and eat them like they were fruit but don't like them now. Growing up, I had fresh tomatoes from the vines as a kid, but after moving to the US, they never tasted right. Now, I'll eat tomato products, just not the plain tomatoes by itself.

[@Kickthelighter]

@@MacTX get ya some 5 gallon bucket and grow a few. They aren't hard to keep happy.

[@Daledavispratt]

We raise our own tomatoes and make our own sauce and other tomato products. Haven't bought a tomato product from a supermarket in years except for ketchup.

[@markdodd1152]

I like the new intro video part . My Grandfather complained about damn hothouse tomatoes in the 70s

[@bradleyrozanski1549]

As a really small wanna be truck patch gardener. Ive alwayse wondered why folks fight the hightunnel tomatoes. Its the same spot of ground thats grown them before. They are just under a cover. The mechanical farming stuff is just amazing! Thank you

[@tommypain]

Throughout my childhood in California, my mom grew tomatoes in the backyard. We would try different varieties, but they were all good. She got to the point where she could get these softball sized beefsteak tomatoes that were to die for. Tomatoes you find in the store that taste like Styrofoam, just are a disgrace. Thanks for the history lesson, Professor.

[@DieLuftwaffel]

My understanding is that they also pick them green now to last a long time in transport, and before arrival at destination they are doused with a gas that speeds up ripening. This means they are less nutrient dense and flavorful. Also the soils are worn out and only produce due to added synthetic fertilizers

[@lvtiguy226]

I enjoyed this story. It brought back fond memories of picking and eating the sweetest tomatoes in the world from our family garden when I was a child.

[@davidtaylor5204]

My children never tasted store bought tomatoes, cucumbers, zukes, peas, beans, corn until they left the house. With the price of food skyrocketing, they are setting up gardens wherever they might be.

[@Nicksonian]

Garrison Keillor said of the grocery store tomato: “they are STRIP MINED in Texas.” Compared to the tomatoes grown in Lake Woebegon backyards and elsewhere, he couldn’t have said it better.

[@nedludd7622]

I have often referred to Keillor on various subjects. This is the first time I have seen someone else mention him.

[@milosterwheeler2520]

I will turn 78 in a week. I remember as a child going out into our little family garden with a salt shaker and eating fresh picked tomatoes, still warm from the midday sun.. Most people today have no idea how good a tomato can taste.

[@scallywag1716]

Nice! I studied food science in college and been in food industry almost 25 years. I love these topics. The tomato grower and harvesting was still end up consolidated, regardless, how many varieties of tomatoes. It has been the nature of farming and agriculture in California for the past 40 years.

[@jbrhel]

I was raised by two former farmers in the 1970s. At least six rows of tomatoes were in the garden every year. Often I would pick a tomato, wash it under the spigot, and have a little snack. Mom and Dad canned every year too. I miss it.

[@SoberOKMoments]

They still grow. Whatever your folks did you can do, too. 🙂

[@NVRAMboi]

Thanks Lance. Here at our home in TN, we celebrate the first ("REAL") tomatoes of the season each April or May. The South loves their locally grown tomatoes. Tomato pie, tomato gravy, canned tomatoes for winter, tomato sandwiches with a small bit of mayo and light salt and pepper, and of course, salads - not much better. Not uncommon around here for growers to take a nice tomato straight off the vine and eat it like an apple. That's a bit much for me, but each year in spring we await rescue from tasteless, cardboard store-bought "tomatoes".

[@fearthehoneybadger]

The SCOTUS decision of 1893, although it sounds ridiculous, was due to the law that taxed fruits at a higher rate than vegetables.

[@TheHistoryGuyChannel]

Yes, it was regarding a tariff.

[@jonchowe]

The supreme Court will ignore the dictionary in order to fund the government a few more bucks. That's what Nix taught me.

[@joewalter7523]

This is the reason why when I buy tomatoes at the store, I usually buy Roma Tomatoes. They have more flesh, less seeds, easier to cut and a generally better flavor. Not to mention they are much cheaper. And yet, ironically, they were never intended for sandwiches or salads, being used almost exclusively in cooking - namely making sauces and soups. Indeed, when I once made little sandwiches with those tomatoes, for a pot-luck reception, the people there liked how well they tasted, compared to those "water bomb" tomatoes that are usually used. When I tell them what they are, they look at me like I'm from another planet, and say "Isn't that what's used in spaghetti sauce?' Afterwards, they get a little weirded out and stop eating the sandwiches. When I tell them that they DID taste good, they say they aren't used to it - one even stubbornly (and a bit angrily) told me that fresh tomatoes are SUPPOSED to be bland! Amazing how people's pretensions can blind them to new things and different approaches - going so far as to keep them, willingly, in a culinary "dark age", even in the face of actual evidence from tasting the things themselves!

[@morrismonet3554]

I grow several different tomatoes, but when the season is over and I have to buy from the store, Roma is the only one I will buy. Tastes better than supermarket junk and doesn't water down my food. Especially salads and tacos. People who grew up on supermarket produce have no idea what produce is supposed to taste like.

[@Michele-z4k]

I graduated from a California high school in 1971. My last two years, the Mexican guys in my class got special permission to leave school to pick tomatoes during the harvest season.

[@markredf150]

Incredible video with yet ANOTHER incredible video opening (the rolling farm)!

[@lindaandrews5468]

Home grown and vine ripen are the best.

[@stevegallagher687]

As a resident of Southern NJ where tomato's are grown all over because they taste great I can say I rarely buy a supermarket tomato. Even in the cold of winter. Hard and tasteless. Good ones are at every local farm stand. Love them

[@jamesmiddleton8128]

They're now trying to 'splice' or interbreed heirloom tomatoes back into commercial varieties to get the flavor back😮 I grow a variety called Everglades, they're tiny but prolific and taste amazing😅

[@radiosnail]

In the UK ours are still round. But they don't taste all that. But they do give a boost to a cheese sandwich at times. Nice low calorie bulk when added grilled to a breakfast too.

[@Kickthelighter]

Yep! Home grown anything is always better!

[@somethingelse4878]

Homegrown garlic is fantastic

[@MikehMike01]

There are plenty of things that are definitely not worth growing at home

[@mkshffr4936]

​@@MikehMike01For example?

[@MikehMike01]

@@mkshffr4936 wheat, sugar, corn, soybeans, onions, garlic, carrots

[@Traderjoe]

It’s so easy to grow your own and the taste is so much better, I don’t know anyone who’s ever grown their own who would buy a store bought one unless it was utter desperation.

[@jackshaftoe1715]

HEY HG ! No kidding ! I grew tom's this year, (and I truly rocked it)(o.k. for once) they were great !

[@EarthWalkerOne]

Not only are they tasteless because of selection for physical resilience, but also because of how our soils are mineral depleted, and hydronic fertilizers focus mostly on NPK. This means that the plants don't have the necessary precursors to do their chemistry to make complex flavonoids and terpenes. Having adequate NPK means that the fruits will grow big, but are significantly less nutrient-dense. That's why they're flavorless, it's all water. In healthy soil there are fungi, nematodes, bacteria, protozoa, etc. that all play important roles in converting organic material into nutrients in forms that are available to plants. A plant that only has it's NPK needs met may only be able to produce monoterpenes, while a plant that has every nutrient available to it can go on to produce diterpenes, triterpenes, etc. I'm not trying to push soil vs hydro, "organic" or "conventional", as all have their use cases and any method could theoretically provide adequate nutrients. It's just that, currently, the most nutrient dense produce is still grown in soil with all of the healthy flora and fauna of the soil food web.

[@newnamesameperson397]

I go to Farmer markets to get tomatoes when they are in season. I've always hated tomatoes at Walmart because they taste like nothing but water

[@Akren905]

I picked tomatoes as a kid in the early 90s in niagara region in Ontario. Now the areas nothing but peaches and vineyards. Now the peaches are going away too..

[@charlietallman9583]

Thanks for reminding me that my tomato patch has pretty much puttered out for the year. I won't be able to stand a store bought one for several months.

[@chucks4328]

I cut back on my tomato plants this year. Only planted 30 tomatoes. This year they didn't produce very well. None of the garden performed well.

[@patmcbride9853]

Start canning next year. If you can tomatoes with onions, garlic, salt, and pepper; you have a tomato base that you can use for a multitude of dishes.

[@stephaniegee227]

I've already started a batch of cherry tomatoes indoors!

[@sprint955st]

Until only a couple of years ago, believe it or not, the trains on one of the major rail line in the U.K. still dumped the ‘sewage’ from the onboard toilets out on to the sleepers between the tracks as the train moved. The rules said not to use the toilets whilst the train was in the station. Anyway, at our local station (end of a branch line) mysteriously tomato plants began growing up from between the rails where the train stopped….

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

That's insanely nasty. Trains are just allowed to dump human waste untreated onto the ground? In America RV's are required to have a black water tank. I have no idea if our trains are like yours but my goodness I hope not.

[@ajg617]

And now I know why my Aunt sent my mother tomato seeds from their farm in Ohio - this was back in the late 1950s. Always felt that salads tasted better when visiting the farm and never knew why.

[@Ripplin]

Lots of things seem to be losing flavor nowadays, such as apples. I don't even buy Honeycrisps (once a favorite) anymore because I got tired of them having almost no flavor! :( Crunchy water is no fun.

[@jerrymiller9039]

Why cant they breed them to have more flavor?

[@somethingelse4878]

In the UK strawberries are totally tasteless unless you grow your own

[@anotherother]

The imported Spannish ones are..abysmal

[@Kickthelighter]

@@somethingelse4878 they pick em before they are ripe.

[@Nudhul]

@@Kickthelighter they're sour like a lemon

[@kevinkoepke8311]

I'm from Ohio. My uncle farmed tomatoes as late as the early 70's and had pickers come up from Texas. Ohio and Pennsylvania were big enough in this crop, that the largest ketchup plant in the world, Heinz, is in Fremont, Ohio. Where does it get its tomato paste? California. Thanks

[@AdventuresofaManiac]

Guess we are lucky up here all the grocery stores always sell local heirloom tomatoes

[@Selatomyr]

Explains why I don’t care for TOMATOES 🍅 on their own. In recipes, they’re great however

[@kalrandom7387]

For those of you who grow your own Tomatoes, before your first Frost go ahead and pick every tomato even the green ones put them in a cardboard box separated by newspapers in a dark area and when you're wanting to eat one just set it in windowsill for a few days and it will turn red you will have fresh tomatoes longer than just the growing season.

[@MikehMike01]

I try to buy cherry tomatoes, their small size allows them to picked at a riper stage? Otherwise, homegrown or farmers market

[@nukelaloosh4795]

forget 70 yrs ago, they became even more tasteless around turn of the century

[@videodistro]

THIS is why the main plants I grow in the summer garden are... Tomatoes. It's sad to see huge semi trailers in Southern Florida driving around with hard GREEN round things called tomatoes, taking them to the market. Even when left to rippen on the vine (the ones left after picking), they are tasteless garbage. So sad.

[@twen7yseven]

First year with a garden and it's been very rewarding and delicious. I look forward to expanding next year and implore others to try as well. Just stick some seeds in the ground and watch them grow :)

[@JPJ432]

Tomatoes and Potatoes are a gift to mankind.

[@ralfbaechle]

It's an improvment over the situation 30 years ago where the tomatoes were the only green thing in a big plate of salad ;-)

[@paulsmodels]

The local store bought tomatoes that we buy are terrible. I do part time work for a couple in the town I live that has a nice garden in which they grow their own tomatoes. During the season I have a nice supply of fresh picked tasteful tomatoes.

[@orboakin8074]

This explains why the tomatoes i ate as a kid in Nigeria, in the 2000s, tasted different and better than store tomatoes i tasted in the UK🤔 I definitely appreciate the scientific and technological innovations that made tomatoes morw durable, mass produced and viable for wider consumption but it's also clear that the trade off of better taste and natural quality was sad but necessary.

[@praack4563]

yeah i remember the loss of variety in tomato's , this is why the sauces have so much junk in them. back in the 60's and 70's there was more variety in plant seedlings and seeds for home planting. now - well people don't plant in the back yards and we are used to the over processed crud.

[@modelnut617]

I will never but "fresh" tomatoes from the grocery produce section. They look like tomatoes but taste nothing like them. A good tomato does not come from the store.

[@1winlock]

I know for a fact that those tomatoes are gassed with ethelene over night because it turns green tomatoes into red tomatoes. I saw this when I worked for Air Products and Chemicals.

[@JohnSmith-dh4gw]

For a musical summation check out Guy Clark's song "Homegrown Tomatoes."

[@CC-.-.-.-.]

Thank You

[@DG-mk7kd]

Automation/mechanization is an ever more important issue the longshoremen strike a couple weeks ago was mostly about automation as was the writers strike last year but if you want affordable tomatoes et al, you will need technology

[@mikenixon2401]

We used to grow our own tomatoes, often having so many we shared with neighbors. Yes, I guess I'm fortunate to know the real taste to a tomato before industrial harvesting began. I feel sorry for those that only know supermarket produce.

[@gonavy1]

For years now I've only eaten tomatoes that I've grown or I got at the farmer's market in the summertime.

[@armageddonready4071]

I had tomatoes come up this spring from some store bought tomato seeds. They are still all green, and have yet to begin to ripen red. I have a feeling they a from South America somewhere because it’s coming up in mid October.

[@DeconvertedMan]

Technology can be good/bad or tasteless.

[@johnediii]

of course it could just be that tomatoes taste bad in general.

[@zillsburyy1]

never liked a tomato in sandwich. it ruins salads too

[@samiam619]

WHAT? What about a BLT?

[@TM-ev2tc]

Florida, California, and Indiana are the top three states for growing tomatoes.

[@LazyLifeIFreak]

Tomato's are best from the backyard garden.

[@nrdesign1991]

Cherry tomatoes are great with a very fruity taste. The larger ones are pretty much tasteless.

[@patmcbride9853]

Sungolds are the best! Like candy.

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

I am from England. Most supermarket tomatoes grown in England taste wonderful. In the same stores, those from the Netherlands and Spain taste like water. I don't know why, but I vote with my wallet.

[@markcinco8405]

Learned why tomatoes aren't refrigerated in culinary school. It's unavoidable - flavor dies. Cases are even marked DO NOT REFRIGERATE. A casino where I worked went through a lot of tomatoes for caprese & other salads & sandwiches. As hard as they tried to market the caprese, it got bad reviews and was frequently sent back. The "chef" thought guests preferred coldness over flavor and kept all the toms in the walk-in, so there wasn't a tasty one in the house. 😐 FWIW - the ones you're mostly describing are Roma tomatoes, which are simply fiber & moisture. Refrigerate a pricey heirloom and it will taste like a Roma.

[@richardbrant5728]

I wanted more video of a modern machine operating.

[@meedwards5]

Easy to grow your own tomatoes, even in pots 😋

[@JesseOaks-ef9xn]

This is why a lot of people grow their own tomatoes.

[@SoberOKMoments]

Great book - Tomatoland, by Barry Estabrook - gives the backstory (also horror story) on today's gas-ripened tomoatoes. I grow my own. Easy to do and they're delicious!

[@Treeplanter73]

The difference between store bought raspberries and my raspberry patch is huge. Store bought ones taste like cardboard to me.

[@patmcbride9853]

My tomatoes are tasty during the growing season, because they are picked by me. And I can as much as possible for the off season.

[@JoshJones-37334]

@@patmcbride9853 your greasy fingers add a lot to the taste?

[@patmcbride9853]

@@JoshJones-37334 Confession via projection, Josh?

[@JoshJones-37334]

@@patmcbride9853 it’s nice that you listen when your court appointed psychiatrist talks, patty

[@JoshJones-37334]

@@patmcbride9853 how’s those floodwaters treating you? Hope you don’t die of dysentery.

[@patmcbride9853]

@@JoshJones-37334 Take the L troll. Pathetic clap backs just make you look bad.

[@claudelewis5026]

now i pay 2 dollars a pound and they taste card board

[@markmarkofkane8167]

Yes. I've had tomatoes from the garden. There's no comparison. Store tomatoes are not tasty. Kinda like tomato cardboard.

[@MarianneKat]

Tomatoes are easy to grow at home for flavor. I'm guessing everyone wouldn't want to pay 20 bucks for a small jar of hand picked tomato ketchup or double the price of pizza for the flavor.

[@dangreene3895]

Tomatoes are tasteless, even if you grow your own, they still don't have the same taste as they once did.

[@charlietallman9583]

Your buying the wrong seeds

[@harikrishna69]

It is a fact, universally acknowledged, that Tomaytoes are in every way inferior to Tomahtoes.

[@mikemaricle9941]

I never eat store bought tomatoes.

[@markrtaylor]

Visit Bradley County Arkansas, Home of the BEST tasting Tomatoes in the World, Still grown the OLD FASHION WAY!!

[@biggtrux]

As a produce employee, I already new the reason tomatoes suck. Hot house grown for shape and color, at the expense of flavor. Heirlooms are a rip off, stupidly over priced.

[@carlbeaver7112]

Been telling peeps this for decades

[@Noah_E]

It doesn't help that they pack so many more plants on an acre that they have less nutrition than they used to. Everything about industrial farming focuses on quantity over quality which results in worse produce and health for the consumer.

[@jaewok5G]

i don't know a person in new england who has even a square yard of space to plant that hasn't planted tomatoes first. also, 'replacing' the brasarro program was the '65 naturalization n immigration act which prioritized immigration from mexico, south america and asia to keep that cheap labor coming. now they've simply discarded the pretense of orderly immigration. i can't imagine what they'll do next, but euthanasia doesn't seem to off the table.

[@TypeOneg]

I usually let them ripen on the counter. Theyre ok.

[@bobinindiana]

Grocery store strawberries from California aren’t much good either. 🍓

[@945hilo]

Shame to leave behind green tomatoes, where I live they are fried or canned green tomatoes that are sweet and spicy

[@kentowakai1234]

Cool intro.

[@Paul-se1er]

I only eat tomatoes from my garden and they are awesome. Fry them up with bacon and eggs and a couple dashes of hot sauce. YUM! Fruit? Vegetable? Call them whatever you want!. Just gimme some!

[@bat2293]

Still no explanation for the difference between to-may-toes and to-maw-toes. :(

[@jeffbangkok]

Good night

[@mbgal7758]

In all the years since you think they would work on breeding the taste back into them

[@Zobeid]

It's been done. One researcher came up with a variety that restored the genes for proper ripening and flavor while keeping them harvestable and shippable. He tried to commercialize them, but very few growers wanted to pay even a tiny premium for the seeds. Tomatoes are a commodity, so those growers wouldn't have been able to take their better-tasting tomatoes to market and get even a penny more for them.

[@mbgal7758]

@@Zobeid I hope that changes someday. Like what happened with red delicious apples. People got tired of eating nasty apples and now there’s a variety of tasty apples