Why 'Z-floors' have taken over F1 in 2021

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Every team on the F1 grid except Haas has now adopted the 'Z-floor' design, initially pioneered by a handful of teams in pre-season in response to rule changes for this year. In this video Edd Straw explains what a Z-floor is, the aerodynamic effect the design achieves, and why all of the teams except the one not developing its car this year rushed to copy it over the first few races of the campaign.
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@Drrolfski
@Drrolfski 3 жыл бұрын
Haas' genius solution: Let the rookies manhandle it.
@georgedanilov8898
@georgedanilov8898 3 жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t have signed Shumi this year then Kid is very stubborn and insists on taking checkered flag every race )
@rishi857
@rishi857 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgedanilov8898 I just want that Mick out of that shitshow tbh. It can destroy your confidence and he didn't even have a good teamate to compare his stats and telemetry with ffs.
@georgedanilov8898
@georgedanilov8898 3 жыл бұрын
@@rishi857 I think even the worst F1 team experience is much better then staying in F2 He gets to practice with zero expectations, to understand and experience the flow of F1 racing weekend, etc etc All of that will dramatically improve his learning curve when he does get into a competitive F1 car. Somehow, I doubt Mick is that thin skinned to get his confidence ruined by this year (unlike his current teammate)
@rishi857
@rishi857 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgedanilov8898 I really want a mentor in the form of driver if I enter a team as a Rookie in F1. I would loved him to partner Magnussen tho. Such a experienced driver. Nevertheless He atleast got a seat which many didn't.
@jkraemo
@jkraemo 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgedanilov8898 Mick is very dedicated and hard-working, so I think he can push through it. The Russell-Experience :D
@Jaco_Schutte
@Jaco_Schutte 3 жыл бұрын
Simple. Z floors are needed to generate z downforce for z car. Edit: Happy everyone is enjoying z joke!
@mathullajacobareckal7271
@mathullajacobareckal7271 3 жыл бұрын
Ze German man zpeaks Ze truth.
@evo_melvo
@evo_melvo 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@othmaneharraze6424
@othmaneharraze6424 3 жыл бұрын
Dont fok smash z door
@nicolomatias2223
@nicolomatias2223 3 жыл бұрын
@@mathullajacobareckal7271 lacks subtlety.... ...or should I say, zbtlety. I'll see myself out.
@jaybatty2728
@jaybatty2728 3 жыл бұрын
Haha lmfao great comment
@Mennoo_
@Mennoo_ 3 жыл бұрын
2:18 I'm pretty sure Alpha Tauri was the first one showing their Z-shaped floor. The shape was visisble on Alpha Tauri's floor of the reveal-spec of the car as well, but they revealed their car earlier than Aston Martin (AT on 19th Feb, AM on 3rd March )
@kryotrikz1030
@kryotrikz1030 3 жыл бұрын
nobody cares
@_.Lumi._
@_.Lumi._ 3 жыл бұрын
All Haas needs to do is watch this video for it's aero research. Then take a circular saw to their floor.
@zxsw85
@zxsw85 3 жыл бұрын
They can't afford a circular saw bro it's Haas
@educortazarc
@educortazarc 3 жыл бұрын
I’d be happy to lend Guenther mine
@educortazarc
@educortazarc 3 жыл бұрын
For Mick’s car
@Thunnini_Tom
@Thunnini_Tom 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah legit why not just cutout a little z in the floor it wouldn't cost that much money to develop it aha
@karannsyt
@karannsyt 3 жыл бұрын
Haas finished 3 laps off the pace in Monaco By the end of the year we might see that increase..
@Jaco_Schutte
@Jaco_Schutte 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, yes.
@acepilot13
@acepilot13 3 жыл бұрын
They'll probably fall behind the 109 percent rule before they find themselves 4 or 5 laps down during a race
@georgedanilov8898
@georgedanilov8898 3 жыл бұрын
They could really compete for points if they start in F2 races
@rattusnorvegicus4380
@rattusnorvegicus4380 3 жыл бұрын
That Hass to change, surely? Don`t call me Shirley....
@hkr667
@hkr667 3 жыл бұрын
@@acepilot13 Don't think so. Currently they are 2.5-4% off for the 107% rule (I checked) in the worst case scenario and already so far down. So it may very well be 6-8 laps down before the 107% rule kicks in. But there is more to it.
@Randomvideos-zi7pe
@Randomvideos-zi7pe 3 жыл бұрын
What are you doing, stepped floor
@a2shame797
@a2shame797 3 жыл бұрын
I'm stuck Stepped-Floor
@Pandamasque
@Pandamasque 3 жыл бұрын
* puts out sticky-uppy bits *
@tonkatoytruck
@tonkatoytruck 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to be a fly on the wall when aerodynamic\wind tunnel development\testing was conducted.
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 3 жыл бұрын
You'd get blown off
@rattusnorvegicus4380
@rattusnorvegicus4380 3 жыл бұрын
Mmm, your ass would come through your head. I wonder if you realised when you posted that, the image it`d create...that of a fly holding on for dear life until the operator put the fan on full blast.
@tonkatoytruck
@tonkatoytruck 3 жыл бұрын
@@rattusnorvegicus4380 Glad to see someone is paying attention. lol
@danielgeros225
@danielgeros225 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to be a fly.
@ModernDIYCraftsman
@ModernDIYCraftsman 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Every video gives more in depth info, super to watch.
@themarauder6108
@themarauder6108 3 жыл бұрын
FIA: "Let's cut down the amount of downforce they can generate to improve the show" Teams: "Yeah, no......."
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 3 жыл бұрын
The FIA were successful. If they'd done nothing, downforce levels would be much higher than they currently are.
@rolandotillit2867
@rolandotillit2867 3 жыл бұрын
Life, finds a way.
@hkr667
@hkr667 3 жыл бұрын
Improving the show was NOT the reason for less downforce. You should know by now, every racing channel and their mums covered it.
@themarauder6108
@themarauder6108 3 жыл бұрын
@@hkr667 In 2019 they changed the front wing design to reduce wake and allow closer racing (improve the show). In 2021 they changed the aero regs again to reduce the load on the tyres. Next year the whole damn car is getting an overhaul in order to "improve the show" and promote closer racing.
@bynahelemaal
@bynahelemaal 3 жыл бұрын
@@themarauder6108 true, but the less aero ask this season was by pirelli… pirelli has no interest in a good show, as it’s only concern is no more tire blowouts like the mercs had in silverstone!
@SmashGhost
@SmashGhost 3 жыл бұрын
Have you done an in-depth look at the waffle floor? That would be a good watch.
@glg2029
@glg2029 3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to, just couldn’t make up my mind...
@The_Curious_Cat
@The_Curious_Cat 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully they will do that and a video for the croissant floor.
@UncleBoogieRF
@UncleBoogieRF 3 жыл бұрын
Mmm... Waffles.
@HighLiner15
@HighLiner15 3 жыл бұрын
Yummy the chicken n waffles 🧇 floor!! 🤤
@chrisbrinkley4688
@chrisbrinkley4688 3 жыл бұрын
What I think of this is how good that aero interview with James Allison that Ted Kravitz did a few years ago was.
@chrisbrinkley4688
@chrisbrinkley4688 3 жыл бұрын
@@IanLikesVideosSometimes sorry no, I watched it on telly. Try the Sky F1 KZbin channel
@simonkemfors
@simonkemfors 3 жыл бұрын
HAAS are going to be dreadfully of the pace by the end of the year
@colemattingly6033
@colemattingly6033 3 жыл бұрын
they already are
@FoxtrotGolfLima
@FoxtrotGolfLima 3 жыл бұрын
they are nearly 3 seconds off the pace in conventional circuits
@TripleAlfafa
@TripleAlfafa 3 жыл бұрын
How long until they start getting 107 percent issues?
@hkr667
@hkr667 3 жыл бұрын
@@TripleAlfafa I was curious and checked. Currently they are about 2.5-4% off, following the regulation rule, and comparing with the *slowest* Haas car. So they are still a ways off. Note that it seems to be very track dependent, I checked race 1, 3 and 5 and in race 5 (Monaco) they were 3% off. So it doesn't necessarily mean that the gap gets bigger every race.
@DekGT5mad
@DekGT5mad 3 жыл бұрын
If I was Mick I'd take the chance and demand a z cut out after the summer break !
@dahorn100011
@dahorn100011 3 жыл бұрын
I love the technical side of parts of the Race. Super easy to understand, but enough technical detail to keep me interested. Great highlighting of areas with clever diagrams and great action shots. It's amazing the level of aerodynamics in F1. How someone can come up with a 1 inch high Winglet or turning vane here we can influence this part here down stream. I'm so glad I subbed early on. It also helps give me my F1 fix between races.
@clutchyfinger
@clutchyfinger 3 жыл бұрын
Mercedes were first to test the Z floor on their Aston Martin*
@adysmiff1731
@adysmiff1731 3 жыл бұрын
If Z floors were introduced by a team a couple os seasons ago the FIA would have banned them. So now all teams have to waste money developing new floors. Well done FIA.
@julianmorgan79
@julianmorgan79 3 жыл бұрын
FIA: FI is a sport that forces teams to innovate Teams create a powerful innovations FIA: "And I took that personally"
@BobbyGeneric145
@BobbyGeneric145 3 жыл бұрын
The Race is the best independent f1 channel out there!
@maharathy
@maharathy 3 жыл бұрын
Off topic thought in Baku Perez and Stroll and Bottas are going to have a good session, purely due to their good luck charm in baku, nothing else.
@greatwhale6476
@greatwhale6476 3 жыл бұрын
this didn't age well
@maharathy
@maharathy 3 жыл бұрын
@@greatwhale6476 it's aged well, Perez wins.
@greatwhale6476
@greatwhale6476 3 жыл бұрын
@@maharathy touche
@gabormiklay9209
@gabormiklay9209 3 жыл бұрын
These vortices are the virtual skirts of F1, sealing the airflow of the floor. Skirts: banned after the 1982 season, because of high cornering speeds and inconsistency, because aero wasn't as thoughtful and detailed as nowadays.
@bharadwajr3430
@bharadwajr3430 3 жыл бұрын
If Haas screws up next year, I guess its goodbye to F1 for them
@sultanabran1
@sultanabran1 3 жыл бұрын
does it really matter? the only thing people will miss about haas is no more mazepin jokes.
@Lego___
@Lego___ 3 жыл бұрын
@@sultanabran1 Well before the whole Rich Energy situation, Haas really were on the rise and were looking to be a really great team. No mazepin jokes? Sure, but its still very unfortunate to see the team in this condition now, and will be even more unfortunate when Mazepin's sugar daddy takes over the team or worst case scenario, the team leaves altogether.
@atmarambhide
@atmarambhide 3 жыл бұрын
Nope Urakali(Mazepin team) will buy it
@Chris-xl6pd
@Chris-xl6pd 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lego___ On the rise? A bunch of customer parts do not make a good team, they have been humping around at the back for a few season with a few ok results here and there. They were never on the UP, No US team will ever succeed in F1 because they just dont have what it takes to keep moving forwards in a development series.
@Lego___
@Lego___ 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chris-xl6pd 8th in constructors on its very first season with a points finish on its very first race. And 5th in the constructors in 2018. Customer parts or not, statistics clearly show that Haas was on the rise until Rich Energy screwed them over
@paul-morgan
@paul-morgan 3 жыл бұрын
This channel just nails every video every time and "The Race" podcast is a highlight of my week. Keep it up Gents. Thank you!
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 3 жыл бұрын
The sticky uppy and sticky outty bits.
@meredithv3168
@meredithv3168 3 жыл бұрын
You guys should change your line about the notification bell to "So you're notified faster that Valterri Bottas' 2017 Austria start"
@israel4101
@israel4101 3 жыл бұрын
Can that be done?
@meredithv3168
@meredithv3168 3 жыл бұрын
@@israel4101 improbable, but not impossible!
@whassupg89
@whassupg89 3 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised when they changed the rules they left it open for all these flicks and fins to go on top of the floor to create the same effect
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not the same effect. The end goal is the same, but they don’t achieve it the same way. The FIA knew teams would improve, just like they would’ve even without the change. The objective was 10% reduction in downforce, which is apparently what was achieved.
@chriscampbell1309
@chriscampbell1309 3 жыл бұрын
F1 geek level 100. Keep them coming 👍
@DekGT5mad
@DekGT5mad 3 жыл бұрын
From the wet weather footage the Alpha Tauri shows a definite advantage in their floor concept, it's a pity the rest of the car mechanicals is 2019 Red Bull bar the PU.
@doursen
@doursen 3 жыл бұрын
I want to see a team build a F1 car with the best tactics they know.. Alongside FIA banned techniques to truly build an insane car. No limits, truly none.
@jkraemo
@jkraemo 3 жыл бұрын
The closest we got to that was the Porsche 919 EVO, would love to see McLaren, Red Bull or Mercedes try that. Ferrari already showed that they are fast when they don't respect the rules :D
@simona8919
@simona8919 3 жыл бұрын
Redbull x2010
@utetopia1620
@utetopia1620 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't Chainbear do this? Or The Race? Or Donut? One of them.. i can't seem to find it... They ignored regs, and put together a mock car of all the best bits and pieces over the years... I think they included the 6 wheels of the Tyrell car...
@Lego___
@Lego___ 3 жыл бұрын
RedBull X2010, though it was designed 11 years ago. I dont think it uses all banned designs like bendy wings, active suspension or mass damper, but it uses a turbocharged 2L V6 producing around 1500bhp and has a fan on the rear. 30 whole seconds per lap faster than an F1 car, even by todays standards.
@pihermoso11
@pihermoso11 3 жыл бұрын
if its no rules i'd like to see the williams power flywheel mated to an updated 787b rotary engine in an F1 car
@AmaroqStarwind
@AmaroqStarwind 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly feel Haas threw in the towel a little too early. They could have made some very minor tweaks that would help them score at least a couple of points.
@kk88js
@kk88js 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think there are any "very minor" tweaks they could make to finish 10th. They are so far behind they would need large and expensive progress to even earn points.
@Petidani0330
@Petidani0330 3 жыл бұрын
Mercedes suffering? Oh yeah, they're just in front of Haas in the constructors', I almost forgot... Please... And for Aston Martin, I guess "they didn't do a good enough job". Familiar words for Szafnauer.
@tomkieranadams9714
@tomkieranadams9714 3 жыл бұрын
"To prevent overloading the pirelli tyres" Max and Lance in Baku: ".........."
@oreofudgeman
@oreofudgeman 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is a nice way to Segway into the modern ground FX era starting next season.
@N3UM4NN4TOR
@N3UM4NN4TOR 3 жыл бұрын
Good job and good info as usual!
@thesiganraju4130
@thesiganraju4130 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Thanks. Question: how / when / where do the teams change or adjust the floor? Is it 1 piece or are there components (like the vanes) that can be interchanged?
@MichaelDreksler
@MichaelDreksler 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Ed
@UnnamedThe
@UnnamedThe 3 жыл бұрын
"...to prevent overloading the Pirelli Tyres" Well this aged like milk after Baku...
@bertram-raven
@bertram-raven 3 жыл бұрын
The Z is less noticeable than the waves in the floor. They should have called it the Curly-Wurly floor.
@PlaySA
@PlaySA 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why F1 doesn't go all in on ground effect again. As far as I understand it would increase ease of following and create much less dirty air over the top of the following car. Teams could reduce the size and effect of both rear and front wings in order to create the closer racing that F1 wants...
@manuelmanterola7070
@manuelmanterola7070 3 жыл бұрын
can't even tell if it's bait or not
@Lego___
@Lego___ 3 жыл бұрын
2022 regulations is literally a focus on ground effect.
@mrj3217
@mrj3217 3 жыл бұрын
HAAS needs to implement some upgrades so these rookies can experience the process. This is why HAAS is currently the worse team in F1 . I am a American and pull for HAAS . They can do better. Maybe change is needed as much as I like Gunther his track record is not very good.
@caesar485
@caesar485 3 жыл бұрын
Why? He brough a ln entirely new f1 team to p5. He only missed the mark in 2020. 2021 has always been a write off for them, we can only judge them after 2022
@vercingetorix5708
@vercingetorix5708 3 жыл бұрын
They should have done something for 2021. Its literally just the horrible 2020 car with some aero removed, making it undrivable.
@slicedbread1726
@slicedbread1726 3 жыл бұрын
9 out of 10 dentist's approve
@Jakeman90210
@Jakeman90210 3 жыл бұрын
What has come of McLaren’s initial diffuser design? Has everyone copied it or was it not as earth shattering as was predicted? I have heard much about it since the launch
@shawnpitman876
@shawnpitman876 3 жыл бұрын
How is it that it's june 3 2021, we know that Pirelli have made a new set of tyres for 2021, and yet journalists EVERYWHERE keep saying that they did these changes for the reason of Pirelli's tyres? STOP PERPETUATING THEIR LIE.
@marian-gabriel9518
@marian-gabriel9518 3 жыл бұрын
@Dark Hero 81 Imagine Pirelli sayin' :"neah...we don't need anything motivating us to improve our tires and our technology...we'll just stay with what we've got. Who cares about competitors?!?!" said no one ever, especially from Pirelli. :p
@shawnpitman876
@shawnpitman876 3 жыл бұрын
@Dark Hero 81 Reading comprehension, get some. Your reply clearly assumes I asked a completely different question than the one I actually did.
@Lego___
@Lego___ 3 жыл бұрын
Think of it like this, For the whole 2020 season F1 was using the 2019 spec tyres due to china cough. At the start of the 2020 season the amount of downforce the cars produced were already unsafe for the tyres. And in 2021 the downforce has been reduced, and now at the start of the season the cars are relatively achieving the same lap times as the 2019 cars. Given enough time, its entirely possible for most teams to claw back enough downforce to get close to 2020 laptimes. If the rules were not changed, the 2021 cars would be even faster than the 2020 cars, chances are even the new pirelli tyres wouldnt have been reliable enough to handle said downforce. New pirelli tyres or not, the rule changes were necessary.
@shawnpitman876
@shawnpitman876 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lego___ Keep drinking the kool-aid and deluding yourself into believe that completely nonsense lie. Even with your point about the 2020 season using the 2019 tyres you still have no arguement, because that means they started working on a new compound in 2019 that they could bring forward to 2021 since even with COVID they were still able to work. Try again, halfwit. Oh, and PS, your "point" about them using the 2019 tyres in 2020 cause of COVID? Yea, that's ALSO a lie, since COVID didn't start shutting anything down until march 2020, when the season was DUE TO START.
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
@@shawnpitman876 Do you have any proof ? Ive genuinely never heard of that before.
@thesunnynationg
@thesunnynationg 3 жыл бұрын
They just need this one tip of the floor so they can seal the side on the back so everything can come together to the diffuser.
@dmor6696
@dmor6696 3 жыл бұрын
Q: how many wings a F1 car has? A: 327 not counting the ones you cannot see, some teams use hair, maybe
@paulwood6729
@paulwood6729 3 жыл бұрын
Starts at 3:30
@shaun2072
@shaun2072 3 жыл бұрын
I hate the swarm of aero protrusions, finlets, turning vanes, winglets etc that festoon the current spec like alien ticks. Hopefully 2022 will be a return to a cleaner less aero-twitchy car.
@TANGYHATCHY
@TANGYHATCHY 3 жыл бұрын
If mick some how scores a point in that haas it will most likely be discussed as one of the greatest drives on history. That car is basically from February 2020 with the only updates being that to match the rules and the new Ferrari pu
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 3 жыл бұрын
But if Mazepin scores a point, it will be considered pure fluke and he will receive even more online bullying.
@pauls5745
@pauls5745 3 жыл бұрын
I don't like the tacked-on look of the floors. I know it's results-designed but if the curves blended with the body it would be nearly as effective but look 100% better
@mitchell-wallisforce7859
@mitchell-wallisforce7859 3 жыл бұрын
*raises hand* Mr. Straw? I'm confused. You said the turning vanes produce vortices that seal the underfloor, but what part of them is making the vortices? Is it the tips up top? And how do they get the vortices to go a certain direction? (Stealth Edit: Not here to criticize the video. I'm just askin' questions.)
@marian-gabriel9518
@marian-gabriel9518 3 жыл бұрын
I often ask myself if they do this intentionally to somehow keep it more digestible for everybody...or are they...well...just...ammm...wingin' it 😁
@_.Lumi._
@_.Lumi._ 3 жыл бұрын
@@marian-gabriel9518 with Gary Anderson on their staff, I doubt if they're wingin' it But I must admit, some of this stuff goes over my head. Sometimes I wish they would just go back to sliding skirts....
@marian-gabriel9518
@marian-gabriel9518 3 жыл бұрын
@@_.Lumi._ I know, I was just making a joke on the wing....ing it part :p Since they like wing...lets so much :p I know, I'll go look for the door...:p
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
The pressure differential between the root and tip of the vanes create the vortices. Just like they do on airplane wings. Essentially, one of the main mechanisms of that is air “leaking” from one side to the other. There are of course other methods to produce vortices, but this is one of the most controllable ones. They’re stupidly hard to reduce, but quite easily controllable. Other vortices can be produced by more specific shapes, without streamline visualization it’s harder to explain on a KZbin comment. Google should help.
@Pandamasque
@Pandamasque 3 жыл бұрын
Typical F1 rule-making. A small rule change prompts a huge investment into an arms race into a blind alley of development that will have to be thrown out for 2022 anyway. They could have easily outlawed all the sticky-uppy bits as well as any vertical curvature of the floor edge and all of this would be avoided.
@acidmastersF1
@acidmastersF1 3 жыл бұрын
nice song
@nishantkaushik99
@nishantkaushik99 3 жыл бұрын
Only chance by which haas team score points is only 10 driver finish the race and rest 10 got stuck by mazepin
@Georgemp-gr2vr
@Georgemp-gr2vr 3 жыл бұрын
You are make great videos
@dutchgameboi2892
@dutchgameboi2892 3 жыл бұрын
Codemasters who are close to finishing car models for new game: *screams*
@mikelitoris6315
@mikelitoris6315 3 жыл бұрын
Squiggle-Floorz
@joupoes6092
@joupoes6092 3 жыл бұрын
Like Haas is even gonna be competitive in 2022, it’s like studying for that test you can’t study for coz you don’t have the book or attended the class as it’s something you can’t study for.
@colmlynch2732
@colmlynch2732 3 жыл бұрын
With Haas, I don't understand why don't they just do a copy of say Alfa Tauri. DO a bit of CFD, don't spend to much money or time on it and give them a chance of scoring a point. They might get lucky like McLaren did in 2011 I think when they dumped their Octopus blown exhaust system and copied RB.
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
“Do a bit of CFD” Do you have any experience in that domain ? The pretty images you see in renderings is absolutely not how that works.
@nikomoin7604
@nikomoin7604 3 жыл бұрын
To be 100% honest I don’t think Mercedes has a disadvantage caused by the new floors anymore. They do not look to suffer more than other teams atm
@hudbudmudsud
@hudbudmudsud 3 жыл бұрын
If HAAS wants to join the party I bet their solution is cut the current floor with an angle grinder.
@officialWWM
@officialWWM 3 жыл бұрын
FIA. Teams have figured it out. Time to change the rules.
@natjes6017
@natjes6017 3 жыл бұрын
The millisecond...
@crusherbmx
@crusherbmx 3 жыл бұрын
Here's the deal. F1 has become so rigid that the only innovations are in aerodynamics, if they want to justify this hybrid thing that they have pushing for 7 years, maybe they should open up the power unit rules and encourage development there, whether it's horsepower, efficiency, battery power storage/charging reliability, whatever they want to improve, the rules could be tweaked to encourage development in that direction. It's not like they would destroy the competitiveness of the field by doing this....
@rpols22
@rpols22 3 жыл бұрын
Plan and simple.... I really am tired of these cars. And these little aerodynamic bandaid changes really do nothing. After the freezing of design during the covid era I really welcome a full and complete change. Get the new design cars in ASAP! Just something different then what we got.
@redheadsg1
@redheadsg1 3 жыл бұрын
IMO there should be no aerodynamic slots OR FINS or curved wavily floors.
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
Why not ?
@farhanandika959
@farhanandika959 3 жыл бұрын
reduced downforce, slower and heavier car... if this z-floor get ban too, that's it, im so done with FIA
@amirrosli9295
@amirrosli9295 3 жыл бұрын
what song is the background music is??? can someone please tell me
@hatefrezaiezade9004
@hatefrezaiezade9004 3 жыл бұрын
it is more likely to step floors
@stanbrow
@stanbrow 3 жыл бұрын
Actually they introduced these changes, and THEN Pirelli redesigned the tires and made the stronger.
@Lego___
@Lego___ 3 жыл бұрын
Still, if the aero regulations were left unchanged, the downforce levels wouldve been even higher than in 2020, so eventually even the 2021 tyres would end up unsafe for the amount of downforce being produced. In comparison at the start of the season the 2021 cars are at the same pace as the 2019 ones. In 2020 the downforce levels were already unsafe for the 2020 tyres (which were still just 2019 tyres due to the china cough)
@boezerdieser
@boezerdieser 3 жыл бұрын
why is no one ever talking about those t-wings bending like coat racks?
@PhilHarrisTV
@PhilHarrisTV 3 жыл бұрын
You mean the little wings in front of the rear wing?
@Rahul-kz5fi
@Rahul-kz5fi 3 жыл бұрын
@@PhilHarrisTV yea
@fastflowers8850
@fastflowers8850 3 жыл бұрын
kinda related find it absolutely whacked how half the english speakers in the world say “zed” and the other half “zee”
@RCRitterFPV
@RCRitterFPV 3 жыл бұрын
Cars would look soo good without the aero floors. can we get rid of those? No horizontal surfaces outside of the vertical walls? Aero destroys sexiness...
@Jaco_Schutte
@Jaco_Schutte 3 жыл бұрын
You should probably read up on the 2022 rules.
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
I too am turned off by things I don’t understand. Aero doesn’t destroy sexiness, limiting it does. Look at 2022 wind tunnel mules, and come back to us.
@RCRitterFPV
@RCRitterFPV 3 жыл бұрын
@@KillCamEditoR thats your opinion, I understand aero. Sexiness as in flowing curves. Aero winglets and stuck on strictures are the opposite. If you ran you hand over it as if caressing it.. Would your hand run smoothly over it. Or would you cut yourself on 1000 sharp edges? That isn’t sexy
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
@@RCRitterFPV Ah yes sorry I don’t see my cars as women. Spiky winglets are not fun when trying to fuck a car, 100% agreed.
@choppaa4204
@choppaa4204 3 жыл бұрын
at this rate the 2022 concept will just look like a shark with wheels
@nielsdebakker3283
@nielsdebakker3283 3 жыл бұрын
Back to 1965.
@Erelyes
@Erelyes 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, those do something on the car? I thought they were just a step for the driver
@AeroLowdown
@AeroLowdown 3 жыл бұрын
@4:45 If you increase the amount of mass flow going under the floor then Bernoulli's equation shows that you'll reduce static pressure and gain load... Basically the complete opposite of what this video is saying. My advice, take Gary Anderson's interpretation of aero solutions with a pinch of salt
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
Mass flow is a function of density, area and speed. In the 4:45 schematic, you have more mass but slower speed. What he said is correct.
@AeroLowdown
@AeroLowdown 3 жыл бұрын
Describing the so called bad scenario, "If this is not achieved airflow will simply leak under the floor right up to the rear tyres", so in that scenario the streamlines show more airflow going under the floor and (for the subsonic flow on an F1 car where compressibility and thus density are not a significant factor) m_dot = rho× area×velocity; increased streamtube capture results in increased velocity with area and density being constant; dynamic pressure increases (0.5×rho×V²) and static pressure reduces.
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
@@AeroLowdown why would streamtube capture vary ? Why would velocity increase if area and density stay constant ? The flow leaking in from the side doesn’t not have the same streamline as the flow running the whole length of the car. They don’t have the same total or dynamic pressures. I think I get what you mean, with “extra” air increasing mass flow by coming in from the side. But that flow has to have lower velocity. Not to mention flow is disturbed, further reducing x-wise velocity of the total flow. Also, F1 get to 350kph regularly. At that speed, assuming incompressibility could account for 4-5% error. Ive always wondered if they stuck to Euler modeling or if some compressibility was built in. Judging by how thin the margins are, I have to think they’re taking it into account.
@AeroLowdown
@AeroLowdown 3 жыл бұрын
@@KillCamEditoR I'm just going off of the animations shown here and motorsport industry experience. If the floor edge structure goes outboard of the tyre rather than the second animation I'm talking about where the streamlines then go under the floor and inboard of the tyre, that's indicating to me that the second scenario has a greater amount of flow going under the floor. I 100% agree with you that the total pressure isn't necessarily going to be the same. I'd also agree that compressibility will be considered in same cases, but there are very few grip limited corners which are at the high velocities where it is relevant, so the benefit for car performance vs computational cost of running compressible CFD is low (and of course F1 wind tunnels are limited to 50m/s, so there's no compressible data from that)
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
@@AeroLowdown I get what you mean, I think without the data we’re never going to get the answer. I believe lowered speed and the increased Reynolds from flow mixing is enough to offset the increased mass, which would result in an overall lower downforce. Especially with speed factoring in to the second power.
@christopherjefferson3561
@christopherjefferson3561 3 жыл бұрын
Yet again no matter what “the rule makers” attempt to do to slow these cars they will simply use smartness and aero to regain the losses. It’s time to call a spade a spade and allow active suspension and ground effect. It’s cheaper then all this damned research to get gains where losses were once engineered.
@Chris-xl6pd
@Chris-xl6pd 3 жыл бұрын
Who the hell is James Everson?
@azam829
@azam829 3 жыл бұрын
Off topic: do y'all think that Alpine can compete in Baku?
@ShivSai123456
@ShivSai123456 3 жыл бұрын
easily
@azam829
@azam829 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I hope they are. Just a alpine fan wishing for something lmao
@mmatthews61687
@mmatthews61687 3 жыл бұрын
Poor Haas 😪
@schuey999
@schuey999 3 жыл бұрын
'Z' is pronouced 'zee' (as with a long e). Not 'zed'.
@coatknight
@coatknight 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your content but won't be subscribing to the website... I have "membership" fatigue.
@galahad8307
@galahad8307 3 жыл бұрын
Cars shouldn't be held back because the tire manufacturer can't keep up
@marian-gabriel9518
@marian-gabriel9518 3 жыл бұрын
They're not. Pirelli has new tires for this season. That "reasoning" is just BS. It was done to, what they'd hope would shake things up. We'll see. I find it hard for the FIA to think of this themselves since they shouldn't care who wins or looses, or whatever...they should just care that it's fair...and since we know it probably isn't Pirelli asking for this, it leaves only Liberty Media messing with the FIA or a team...which would be a very, very bad thing. I hope I'm talking nonsense...but just couldn't swallow this "reason" that it was to ease the load on tires...unless it was to ease the load on Mercs' and Aston Martin's tires...which is just as bad. Not that I'm a fan of either teams, but that would be wrong on so many levels...
@BadBoyV1
@BadBoyV1 3 жыл бұрын
It's called the Max floor
@Jaco_Schutte
@Jaco_Schutte 3 жыл бұрын
Why?
@zsac18
@zsac18 3 жыл бұрын
So its the 2012 platypus all over again
@kloveman
@kloveman 3 жыл бұрын
I didnt know red bull is sponsored by walmart
@beaniejammer
@beaniejammer 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't even look like a Z. It's more like a stair step or a box, besides Stepped-Floors or Box-Floors sounds better than Z-Floors.
@markosl428
@markosl428 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone copied Aston Martin but nobody crying now.
@Sum_Ting_Wong
@Sum_Ting_Wong 3 жыл бұрын
What if they just dropped the tyre pressure by a small amount so the car drops 1-2mm lower? Surely that's cheaper than spending millions on all this CAD?
@SmashGhost
@SmashGhost 3 жыл бұрын
OMG you're hit on it! Something so simple that 7500 f1 staff haven't thought of!
@FabianDialer-vw1zk
@FabianDialer-vw1zk 3 жыл бұрын
You are joking right, the tire has to have a minimum preasure or else it would give significant drag and worsen the cars performance, not to mention it would strain the tire even more causing it to endure even less laps.
@hondophred
@hondophred 3 жыл бұрын
Minimum tire pressures are part of the race rules ever since Belgium 2017(?) when Ferrari blew a bunch of tires.
@KillCamEditoR
@KillCamEditoR 3 жыл бұрын
What would be the point of lower ride height ?
@twilightsuzuka6252
@twilightsuzuka6252 3 жыл бұрын
So that's why Haas is so slow !
@fishingthelist4017
@fishingthelist4017 3 жыл бұрын
F1 has become too much of a technology series instead of a drivers series.
@fishingthelist4017
@fishingthelist4017 3 жыл бұрын
@Zuurker U F1 is getting more interesting now that Red Bull is competitive with Mercedes. Get a couple of other teams in that mix, and we will really see who the best drivers are.
@quazz79
@quazz79 3 жыл бұрын
About the red cabbage though....
@adrianhjordan1981
@adrianhjordan1981 3 жыл бұрын
Please get a more contemporary technical "expert" than Gary Anderton. He has been woefully wrong about basic things in recent years.
@thepowerhouseofthecell2322
@thepowerhouseofthecell2322 3 жыл бұрын
wrong
@Alex-si5te
@Alex-si5te 3 жыл бұрын
When I first saw thighs channel I was like eh I’m gonna see the vids in my recommended anyway so why subscribe but now I am
@Timberwolf69
@Timberwolf69 3 жыл бұрын
Erm... "thighs channel"? What did autocorrect intend to tell us here? 🤔
@Rahul-kz5fi
@Rahul-kz5fi 3 жыл бұрын
@@Timberwolf69 thigh fetish
@Benjo_oneR
@Benjo_oneR 3 жыл бұрын
This guy always talks too close to his mic.
@seansverige
@seansverige 3 жыл бұрын
FFS stop starting every video begging for likes & subscriptions, it's not like anyone is any doubt what to do so just annoys everyone to what end?
@jameslatham3521
@jameslatham3521 3 жыл бұрын
This is why F1 just isn’t appealing anymore. They change rules and the teams spend millions to “adapt” them. New teams can’t come to the sport because of this. Haas gave up completely on it and said they’ll just go to 2022 rules. Love the sport and the looks of the cars but the changes “in an attempt to save money” are ridiculous.
@uljssse
@uljssse 3 жыл бұрын
so its basically that ugly ass nose change but with the floor
@carlog8911
@carlog8911 3 жыл бұрын
We all should boycott this formula 1. It s so standardized and plain. Especially, after this BS happened to Red Bull changing the deflecting rear wing during the ongoing season because mercedes, when last Year Everyone appealed because the DAS nothing happened. That is a one way system.... this F1 SUCKS
@procatprocat9647
@procatprocat9647 3 жыл бұрын
Bye bye
@espa_navismy8169
@espa_navismy8169 3 жыл бұрын
Bye
@AxelSqueeze
@AxelSqueeze 3 жыл бұрын
As an American, hearing you say "zed" instead of "zee" makes this video sound odd
@cdm231
@cdm231 3 жыл бұрын
Haas haven't developed anything because they will start going backwards and mess up copying it somehow 🤣
@mauss1986
@mauss1986 3 жыл бұрын
why this why that ,. stop with your nonsense ,. IT's ON THE FUCKING CAR TO MAKE IT GO FASTER now go be a real journalist
@tres2112
@tres2112 3 жыл бұрын
zed's dead.
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