Why Zeus & Odin HATE Each Other - Marvel Theory

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[@johndelfino9105]

In the Comics, Odin and Zeus did have a benevolent relationship and would sometimes call on one another for aid. They didn't hang out together like war buddies but did share common interests.

[@freddypedraza2066]

Zeus seemed to be a clown at first, but the after credits showed the effects of his decisions to what happens when he dropped his guard, doesn't take things serious. He is serious now after getting stabbed, and doesn't seem to want to host another ....party.... due to his wrath. Can't wait to see what Hercules does

[@BrennySpain]

The brief cameos of Sam Neill, Matt Damon and Melissa McCarthy really was perfection I feel like! What an incredible trio!

[@stephaniepage4334]

I agreed

[@TheWolfMatt]

It was hilarious to say the least.

[@funguy5624]

how dare you leave out luke hemsworth

[@BrennySpain]

@@funguy5624 lol

[@InfiniteNaos]

It’s too bad they didn’t show Zeus as someone similar to Odin as well as Thor. One that controls lightning and environmental elements similar to Thore while being wise as strong like Odin. That way this interaction would’ve been much more fantastic.

[@waylonbritton9733]

Zeus never said Odin abandoned Omnipotence City. He actually made it sound like Odin hung out there.

[@the4thtribe709]

This guy will get his opinion on something in traded office fact he does it all the time when he’s talking about Star Wars stuff

[@anubusx]

Seeing Hercules was really cool at the end.

[@TheWolfMatt]

If they do make another Thor movie. Having these two would be hilarious fun.

[@sasrio_]

Hercules looked like a little Bi**h. With the heft, mass and aesthetics of Thor, Hercules looks like a pubescent teen. 😆

[@noahgraeme]

Odin acted like an actual king. He always did what was best for his people no matter the cost. Always took his responsibilities very seriously. Zeus is a joke... nothing but a hedonistic bum. Zeus is the kind of king who sits on his throne while soldiers die in his name on the battlefield... Odin's the kind of king who stands on the front lines with his soldiers while those who perish do so in the name of their kingdom. Zeus is a ruler while Odin was a leader. I can see the animosity. Odin was loved while Zeus "was" feared.

[@alextyson7717]

the Thor Love and Thunder movie Thor has a New Lightning Weapon .

[@brokenmask333]

So Zeus is basically an out of touch old man ? Makes sense

[@Underworlddream]

Considering that no one or atleast not alot of people still worship the Greek or any of the other God probably the reason why they are out of touch. Like if these gods are waiting for human to pray to them to act then they will be waiting a long time sense no one worship them anymore so they are not going to help them.

[@bluebearie7230]

He has always been, even in the mythology (not Disney bs). he was only at his peak during the time he usurp his own father, Cronos. and that was with the help of many other gods. these gods were warriors, not wise rulers. So after the wars, they mostly became tyrants who indulge themselves in pleasures. Forget taking away suffering, they become the cause of suffering themselves.

[@shawn092182]

@@Underworlddream there was one who is currently being worshipped by billions but still refuses to help his people, even a planetary annihilation level threat. Of all the recent threats of that magnitude, The Carpenter should've helped stopped Thanos's invasions.

[@user-rr7bu9fe3k]

It’s be a crime to not get more info on the former relationship between Odin and Zues

[@crimsonhunter7598]

would be nice to see a fight between young odin and young zeus

[@Iceflkn]

Odin knew Omnipotent City was a place to hide.

[@bananaq7124]

everytime odin sees zues he sees his past self

[@carlosfontanez1835]

The Greek gods doesn't do humans sacrifice

[@islammehmeov2334]

O really the way the GEY greek gods demanded Agamemnon to sacrifice his child in the TROJANS WAR 🤫

[@carlosfontanez1835]

@@islammehmeov2334 your incorrect. But please provide real fact and I'll be more than willing to read them. Not woke bs but real facts. Prove it to me 🤔. Look dude let's do this properly.

[@islammehmeov2334]

@@carlosfontanez1835 what to prove didn't you riding the the FUCKING ILIAD

[@aroundight6163]

@@carlosfontanez1835 Woke BS? It's a pretty well-known story. There have been plays, movies, and operas about it. Here's the wikipedia page with links to a bunch of other sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iphigenia

[@carlosfontanez1835]

@@aroundight6163 wikipedia really be better

[@abramclement8268]

I'd love to see a movie on odin and hella and the wars the fought to get a true understanding of his power

[@locks4]

Olympians and asgardians are considered gods..BUT... odin and zeus are SKYFATHER level meaning that they are the fathers of their respective pantheon of gods

[@arnelponc9582]

Their difference is odin is not arrogant while zues is a arrogant that even his brother he them to vow on his knees while odin just want a peacful realm..

[@singhshivanshu]

The main diffeerence i saw between Zeus and Thor is that the power of Norse Gods is their power not because of the worship of the people but Zeus on the other hand feed on the prayers and offerings made to him by his followers or mortals

[@TheBaBaTV]

Obviously happened due to clashes of leadership… both are dominant strong gods, and either one wanted to be a leader for the city. I’m assuming this is why they just never seen eye to eye !

[@briandaleske5139]

I think this set of theories sounded very interesting, and I liked them.

[@madambutterfly1997]

Why else with two egocentric King of the Gods be angry at each other?

[@Thaumh]

Do you think the MCU might be headed towards Marvel's The New Gods? It certainly looks like it could be.

[@jamiebray8532]

This was a deep video. It really got the thought juices going.

[@benjiebang-og9589]

There is too many plotholes concerning Odin in the MCU. Odin deserves an origin movie or television series to explain. Who else have this thought about it? I believe Odin drank from the fountain of truth revealing everything to him that is why he didn't do anything to change the future.

[@brandonscott5544]

Great marvelous wave 👋 👌 video

[@craigwilliams1073]

Excellent point!

[@castillojohn164]

I think the real question is why are all those gods outside of their own homes like Olympus

[@elugg18]

I know people have not enjoyed Thor love an thunder but you gotta admit the expanse of the gods of the mcu is pretty sick An that post credit scene with Zeus an Hercules is really interesting to me for the future

[@keefmorgan2444]

No clue but would be cool if they explored this in a movie one day!

[@shawn092182]

And call that movie, "The Wonderful Wanders of O Z"

[@keefmorgan2444]

@@shawn092182 haha ya!

[@superjumpbros64]

Cause Odin conquered the nine realms and Zeus was all being chill..... did I get it?

[@islammehmeov2334]

Yes you have any problems with that

[@carlosdanielsouza9017]

Odin "conquered" nine realms, and Zeus conquered command of all the gods in the universe.

[@bullymaguire827]

@@carlosdanielsouza9017 So was Odin. Odin and Zeus are the head of councils of God. It is just that their interests collided after Odin decided to change and Odin left

[@cadeshanley218]

As much as I always retain positivity and love for all Marvel Movies, I wish they made Zeus look like his God of War version and treat Gorr like how his God of War counterpart treats his own son Kratos after being infected by Fear. Minus the betraying of his family and fellow Olympians. But am indeed excited to see Marvel's Hercules in theaters. At least he isn't physically disappointing.

[@hurricane7727]

Nah. Zeus should look and Act like His Marvel Comics Counterpart and Also Gow Zeus Acted Differently Pre Kratos opening Pandora's Box as Stated by Hepheatus in Gow 3 and also if you see how he acts in Gow 1.

[@cadeshanley218]

@@hurricane7727 I know. I played the Greek original God of War games.

[@rindenking1387]

The theory doesn't make sense since if you put into the account what happened in Eternals and Moon Knight, the Gods left so that humans can evolve. Zues also let the Eternals be a representative of the Pantheon of Greek Gods, on the premise that the Eternals help the Humans. In exchange the Gods will stop meddling with Humans. In my opinion, the Asgardians are the ones who cannot resist meddling with humans - holding to their place as Gods.

[@DJ-vk4rp]

The funny thing about that is the Olympians are more Gods than the Asgardians. Asgardians are considered interdimensional beings while Olympians are descendants of the Elder gods.

[@nordboer5684]

@@DJ-vk4rp Asgardians are also descendants of the Elder gods. All the earth pantheons from Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Hindu, Aztec, Celtic, Shinto etc are all the same type of genuine gods and beings, and all descend from the Elder gods of earth. Alien pantheons descend from alien Elder gods too. The exception is the Eternals of course, as they are just superpowered immortal humans with cosmic energy that were mistaken for gods, but aren't actually gods.

[@DJ-vk4rp]

@@nordboer5684 have to read up more on that. I thought even alien gods were descended from Earth Elder gods. Wasn't it when the Demiurge started destroying the gods their power started getting spread across the universe? And that's how alien Gods was created? I know in Marvel Earth is supposed to be the center of the universe

[@DJ-vk4rp]

@@nordboer5684 yes you're right and it's not the Demiurge it's the demogorge I was talking about.

[@nordboer5684]

@@DJ-vk4rp Demogorge is also an earth specific deity. He was an Elder god created to destroy the corrupt Elder gods as Demogorge the gode-eater, then afterwards went into the sun to become reborn, and become the Egyptian god Ra, who then went on to create the Egyptian gods, including his son Khonshu.

[@teresaravenshaw5477]

Look, it's simple. The last time Odin hung out with Zeus, Zeus could in fact, not hard enough and that was it, hatred from then on. In the interim, Zeus massively upped his flick game which led to Thor getting unintentionally butt naked during Love and Thunder.

[@DigitalHeliumJumper]

after odin died hela took over and they left for earth, not to mention they got slaughtered by thanos and the snap afterwards. they've been on earth ever since. why and how would they go back to the city?

[@AdrianCHOY]

Odin evolved from being bloody. Zeus is true to his nature. Can’t really say who live it better though.

[@jesselaplante1040]

Valkyrie isn't a god, she's just Asgardian. Just saying.

[@noctiscaelum3504]

Technically she is

[@rexfordkonduah1388]

All Asgardians are practically gods.

[@Callumdevan17]

@@rexfordkonduah1388 only the Royal family are, other Asgardians have no "divine powers", only elevated physical stats, longevity etc.

[@FULANODETAL]

@@rexfordkonduah1388 well no...as odin said,,the are not gods

[@chrisbeebe7596]

@@FULANODETAL mcu is filled with flaws, "are you Thor God of hammers" Odin was telling loki that because of the events of the 1st avengers movie. Asgardieans are actually gods. Small g but still.

[@johnstevens9673]

Its simple the city didnt exist in the MCU until Thor Love and Thunder came out. So their really nothing to speculate about. It doesnt exist in the MCU until they write it.

[@spinmouth4114]

After watching Thor Love & Thor, I felt it the best scenes are in the trailer. Plenty of potential...

[@mertmolina8312]

The Norse and Greeks are two different ways of understanding the world. Valhalla vs science (Greeks were precursors to science). One day Valhalla vs science vs sacrifice (christianity).

[@johnstevens9673]

The valkyrie theory definitely wouldn't have happened. She was on Sacar in exile for thouof years

[@matthewdrexler188]

!GOD OF WAR DEBATE! Join my comment to enter :) i bet they chilled all the time, but when oden had some character development zeus prob shunned him for being a dork caring about all this righteous rule and compassion and what not. zues seems to be stuck in his glory days. and doesn't seem very affected by the hole in his chest either which im glad of since comic zeus is supposed to be above even oden in scope of power.

[@johnmarshallbreuer4890]

Actually Odin and Zeus are stated many times and shown many times to essentially be equals in the comics just like Thor and Hercules have been shown to be essentially equals. They are supposed to be the yin to the others yang

[@bullymaguire827]

Nope don't lie They are portrayed equals

[@TheWolfMatt]

@@johnmarshallbreuer4890 I'm inclined to agree, however, now that Odin is out of the picture, Thor gets the full power of the "Odin Force" and would outclass Hercules on the battlefield currently. Unless Zeus passes away from his injuries, then they'd be on an even keel for a 1 on 1 matchup.

[@johnmarshallbreuer4890]

@@TheWolfMatt i was talking strictly comic books it’s very hard to take things from the comics and put them in the MCU because it works extremely differently and while Odin was alive we didn’t see him do much and the stuff we’ve seen thor do with the odinforce while impressive in MCU standard isn’t really that impressive overall and he hasn’t really shown any of those “hax abilities” that come with the odinforce the other thing is I took it more as Zeus was surprised by how strong Thor is now and wasn’t expecting him to catch the thunderbolt and throw is back kind of like how in Star Wars Darth maul didn’t expect obi want to jump above him and was cocky and got filleted. Zeus said he hasn’t seen an asgardian since Odin died so at the very least last time he saw Thor was pre awakening in Ragnarok. Thor is clearly much stronger since then. Id say Zeus was caught off guard. But probably Hercules will be on Thor’s level because Zeus has to recover and doesn’t care to fight Thor himself who knows maybe Thor will trash both in the same film. I’m not really sure none of us are but I wouldn’t say Thor is necessarily above them because he caught Zeus off guard. The man took one of the universes most powerful weapons through the center of his chest where his heart should be and was eating grapes and walking around like he just had some bruises after falling off a bike.

[@christianhenry4173]

Well Kratos already whooped zeus and odin and Thor is next on his list.

[@domination1985]

I'm surprised they didn't follow The avengers cartoon and have Hercules come in as one of the guess you would call him be squad adventures while the a squad avengers were lost

[@KelvinMartinez]

Well one thing we do know is that based off the comic book The celestials told all the sky fathers not to be involved with mankind to the degree that they were before so that could be a reason why all the gods are not as engaged with the human race. I know that's not the MCU but that would be a good way to connect the celestials and why the gods are absent.

[@BFBMTb]

Nice to see someone who knows the lore.

[@shawn092182]

So the two Celestials in Omnipotent City are something the residents' probation officers?

[@BFBMTb]

@@shawn092182 it could be but then again, the mcu is somewhat different compared to the comics. Maybe they have the gods equal to celestials in the mcu, but in the comics, celestials are a level above skyfathers.

[@darinbron530]

Is this your theory based on a cinematic adaptation? I don’t recall in any of the comics that they actually hated each other.

[@Underworlddream]

I seen some people point out that the old gods are not really worship anymore so helping people would be very imitated sense they have no worshiper to help.

[@0predaking0]

Zeus was based in the Zeus from Disney's Hercules TAS. I have no proof, no doubt about it either.

[@carlosdanielsouza9017]

MCU Zeus is based on Shuumatsu no Valkyrie's Zeus.

[@braydentortorelli1879]

i dont hear anyone talking about this mans voice. this guys voice is going to therapy

[@Pif07__]

Who here knows Marvelous Wave as Stupendous Wave

[@the4thtribe709]

If we go by the comic book version of these two, they did not have any problems with each other and that’s a fact. if you want to go buy the MCU version of these two guys, there’s nothing saying that they did not get along with each other. So what we have here is a video based on somebody’s opinion after reaching for something that’s not there, but have fun watching.

[@david3077]

Odin probably doesn’t respect Zeus because it looks like he’s just a clown..yeah if I was Odin I would of probably wiped out the other Gods.

[@mitche5007]

Maybe they didn’t hate each other, maybe what you’re looking at in the movie is just the result of what the writer felt like writing and what the audience would accept.

[@Taxevader777]

Seems good but I have dinner will watch

[@cerromeceo]

Odin is dead that's why no Asgardian haven't been there

[@tammyforbes2101]

Oden was a bad god for a while over throwing worlds before he got old and chill. At least Zeus wasn’t ruling 9 realms he was just chilling hanging and god orgys! 😂

[@billybutcher5581]

Man they should have showed more

[@johnhorton4436]

I would have liked to have seen Odin Fight zeus in single combat and see how the Odin Force has been Compared with the power level of Fighting Galactus

[@johnhorton4436]

In the comics see if it is still that strong

[@nolongeramused8135]

Why do all the gods except the Asgard have golden blood?

[@Blue_Azure101]

The celestials demanded the gods and as guardians not to interfere in human life….

[@JemRau]

Odin is better he has a laser spear that is more powerful than the power stone. Zeus is just an older Maximus Decimus Meridius spending his afterlife after his death from Arthur Fleck’s poisoned dagger

[@anactaneustheeleventh2542]

No!!!

[@meten-saiyanthelombax2970]

I really can't wait for Thor vs Hercules in a future thor movie?

[@marvelgeek9577]

Odin chose to be a benevolent God. And Zeus is clearly going Old Testament levels of God.

[@carlosdanielsouza9017]

Odin was not so benevolent. One moment he's telling Loki they're not gods, but the next he's calling humans mortals and acting as if they were inferior.

[@marvelgeek9577]

@@carlosdanielsouza9017 Well Odin didn’t want all mortals to fear him like Zeus does.

[@jonathanking9954]

Zeus has always been a piece of shit. Even in Greek mythology.

[@FULANODETAL]

odin said in thor movie than the are not GODS

[@Kobalt_Rax_the_one]

@GreyJedi 2001 For better or worse , yea .If only Zeus would obtain the kind of wisdom that Odin did maybe .

[@charlesjackson2512]

Odin has only been dead for a few years

[@DrectKontactTv]

Hail Hydra!!!!!!!!

[@Frosty98206]

"Cut off its Head 2 More shall Take its Place".

[@DrectKontactTv]

@@Frosty98206 Hail Hydra!!!!

[@Mrinvestors11]

He died and hella was tearing up Asgard no s*** they're not going to be there, then as Asgard was destroyed and they had to move to Earth then thanos showed up and screwed everything up.... that's why they weren't there

[@joshuas1960]

I think it's difficult to square how all these different mythologies can exist within the same comic universe.

[@FULANODETAL]

if they hey do like in war hammer 40k than a god is like a instagram model ,,more followers made him/her more powerful..

[@Kobalt_Rax_the_one]

it can be a bit confusing yes and overwhelming but they work .

[@Kevynmorgan]

Odin wasn't always didn't care

[@yaboysjdior]

So valkarie is considered a GOD , is all Asgardian considered the same , like zues pantheon cause every body that lives on Olympis is immortal or very very long lived look at zues he even looks like he's younger than Odin and he is actually alot older

[@jahel548]

Simple Valkyrie doesn’t know how to go about formalities etc. Nothing to go there for other than beg for help and she has Thor

[@alivamax25]

Plus Odin's palace looked better. More gold

[@pendarpr]

Remind me, when Xenna killed all olympians gods

[@daveonwheeler7412]

Why didn't zeus and the other gods help in Infinity Saga?

[@user-so5fp3kk7d]

In the comics I believe the gods are part of the same energy that celestials come from they are just smaller energy balls which became the gods. I don’t think the snap would affect them so I doubt they care all that much

[@daveonwheeler7412]

@@user-so5fp3kk7d what if? They did care about the snap

[@dcrucifixx3000]

I don't like how they portrayed Zeus in the movie.

[@GamerCentricc]

Odin > Zues. Odin is the better God. Odin would say to Zeus: Are not Zeus, the god of budget props (lightning bolts).

[@EmperorsChild]

Zeus and the Greek gods behave like spoiled children while Oden albeit flawed acts like the protector God he's supposed to be.

[@Kobalt_Rax_the_one]

Well yea Odin is definitely better then Zeus , he is a much better person , wiser most likely too . Would love for Zeus to finally have his realization ,change of heart a little .

[@lakshyagupta308]

I have a question, could Zeus be Snapped out of existence as a part of half the universe that died in infinity war

[@jonathanking9954]

Yes

[@justnodgaming3143]

No. If it could have happened to Zeus. then Zeus would have just snapped him back into existence. That is what a god is about.

[@lakshyagupta308]

@@justnodgaming3143 how he can't do that

[@jonathanking9954]

@@justnodgaming3143 gods in the mcu are just powerful aliens. He still could have gotten snapped

[@justnodgaming3143]

Since it is the mcu I will have to chance to a Yes vote. Zeus could have gotten snapped.

[@thunderking8925]

Bor punked his ass

[@FULANODETAL]

SO HOW OF THAT God work in the mcu...i rmeember odin saying "We are not gods"

[@TyrellCamp]

Dude marvel comics Zeus would violate his mcu counterpart with ease. Oh god let’s not even talk about DC comics zeus😂 too fucking op

[@Evan-iw8qv]

Valkyrie is considered a god? Time stamp 6:51-6:53

[@gmoney4980]

Eh... I just didn't like Russell Crowe's "Mario like" accent for Zeus. Just sayin... ITSA MARIO! Not Greek an accent to me.

[@scuba_steve_954]

Zeus did Greek on Odin

[@TipToe67]

Read the classic Thor Annual # 5. Nuff said.

[@mangamegs]

Gorr was right!!

[@dutchschultznyc4423]

Zeus wanted no smoke with Odin.

[@chriskost7291]

Zeus>Odin

[@benparrish672]

The AllFather ODIN is the best mythological deity

[@anactaneustheeleventh2542]

Ben No he’s not!!! There’s really no comparison with Zeus, according to myth Zeus is the father of the gods. Zeus is mischievous yes, but Odín is as well, Zeus also protects and does justice same as Odín, in terms of the best mythological god Zeus reigns as the best. Of course this is only myth, there’s only God and that’s Jehova. But in myth Zeus is the most famous one. I know, I’m a writer myself that wrote my own universe, had to stop it because of my convictions and my beliefs.

[@redpilledstacker38]

Is no one going to mention that in one of the Thor movies that Odin said that Asgardians are not gods? WTF!

[@ionnicoara6657]

He probably meant, Gods as God, immortal or eternal

[@dragorespillerofblood4884]

Why is because Odin is a benevolent king while Zeus only cares about throwing parties and having fun instead of helping those in need. Like tony stark but tony helps as a hero and billionaire.

[@wulfrache]

Before Thor killed him, well tried, i dont think Zues gave 2 shits about Odin or Thor.

[@clapyocheeks2269]

lets be honest Asgard can take on all of Omnipotent city 😤

[@joserosa5342]

Well in the movie these gods are the worst, they do not care for their humans or lifeform.

[@bmw335hdk2]

Odin betrayed Zeus by marrying a woman(Thor's Mother). We know that Odin and Zeus is loving each other in gay relationship.

[@jordanbrancato7026]

how does the "god of thunder" Get taken out by a bug zipper basically?

[@darinbron530]

You’re basing this theory on the fact 3 previous films never once mentioned Zeus & the other Gods? That Zeus didn’t show up anytime previously ? Like most Vloggers, you’re seriously grasping

[@jakkdlaw]

At this point I really don't care anymore because Marvel doesn't care either.

[@CrazyJoeClark429]

This theory I am not on board with. They all know each other. Odin ran them their. Now Odin is dead Zeus back to thinking he the baddest along with Hercules.

[@gerardocovarrubias3058]

You know when I saw Zeus for the first time in a movie he was big with words but not big fist no wonder Odin could have beat him anytime

[@jhungallardo4128]

When aeris try to kill Hades by Zeus thunder bolt ..Zeus drain thunderbolts power to stop aeris of killing Hades ?it's impossible that Thor targets Zeus of its own power??? Hahaha lol

[@jamessteele1444]

It's all bs. If asgard was guarding midguard then what use of other gods

[@ionnicoara6657]

What is midguard?

[@JamesJohnson-nm5pu]

@@ionnicoara6657 What Asgardians call Earth.

[@FCTH597]

I've never done full research on Greek Mythology but I have heard stories that the Greek Gods are mostly vain assholes & the first time I watched Thor Love & Thunder was with a girl who knew a lot about Greek Mythology and she mentioned that as well so maybe Taika knew that as well and hinted it in the movie. I have done readings of Norse Mythology and if the Zeus from Marvel is somewhat accurate to mythological Zeus (as for personality) then I guess Mythological Odin & Zeus wouldn't get along either

[@frey8725]

I think Omnipotence City is a really stupid idea, but to respond to the idea of why Zeus and Odin hate each other, it's probably because Waititi made Thor into a Zeus fanboy. Thor wishes Zeus was his father instead of Odin. Way to ruin things Waititi.

[@thevoid6989]

Bro shut up thor didn't want zeus as his father🤦‍♂️did you even watch the movie 😂 waititi is great he saved the character of thor

[@frey8725]

@@thevoid6989 Watch the movie, Karen. Thor was acting like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert. Waititi didn't save the character. He turned Thor into a parody of himself. I went in expecting Star Wars and ended up with Spaceballs. I love Spaceballs, but not when it's billed as Star Wars.