Why Zoro vs Oden Is Not A Fair Fight

[@zagessj]

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[@Lot1886]

Oden personally, zoro ain't as strong as people make him out to be neither is oden, but i still think he's stronger than zoro

[@jeypatel2520]

Zoro

[@killme1389]

Zorro Merely Opened The Wound Oden Gave Kaido

[@lbozo5805]

Chad of wano

[@thelonecyborg3555]

@@killme1389 And it wasn't even as big as Oden's

[@JujuToobootie]

- Zoro draws Enma. Oden: You dare use my own spells against me Potter?

[@zagessj]

best comment 😂

[@isaacmybro9570]

Underated comment

[@XxRayGunn3rxX]

Zoro scarred a much stronger & durable version of YONKO Kaido (Hybrid) whilst every bone in his body was shattered, all before his 'King of Hell' buff. Oden scarred a Kaido who wasn't a Yonko at the time, didn't use his Hybrid or Flame Dragon form & refrained from using Adv Conq or Future Sight. This suggests that Kaido was either holding back tremendously vs Oden, or he'd grown vastly stronger over the 20 years since Oden's death. Not saying Zoro wins but in terms of feats he's clear of Oden imo.

[@haremking7256]

It was 20-30 bones speculated by law...that every bone thing is cap

[@SirDave]

Zoro fighting a much stronger Yonko Kaido literally doesn't make that much of a difference because the strength will be comparable to the current time. Obviously a 20 years later Kaido would be stronger than a 20 year previous Kaido, the same way a 20-year alive Oden would be stronger now. You expect an alive Oden to not get stronger in 20 years? 👁️‍🗨️ I mean Shanks is at his strength and a Yonko after 20 years... I mean Garp was thrashing Blackbeard's crew by himself. Do we even know if Kaido had a Hybrid back then...do we know that Oden was at his limit then... It looked to me Game was set and match for Oden to pretty easily defeat Kaido back then.

[@dustinmcelroy3067]

@@SirDave are you slow? We are comparing current Zoro to Oden at his peak, not to your idea of how strong Oden would be if he was alive today. Why are you using an eye and speech bubble emoji as if you're onto something?

[@LeftEyeGod]

This makes no sense thanks to Kinemon actually being from the past and doing the same amount of damage as the other scabbards

[@yakiynisrael2409]

You can see the physical difference between Kaido then and now. He looks much stronger physically.

[@DarkChaos1986]

The scabbards with their weaker version of Paradise Totsuka were able to knock out Kaido in Dragon Mode.

[@KyokaOshi]

Oden in the manga also say he has the "greatest swords style there is" after he witnesses roger fighting style. The vivre card also says he has the most powerful sword style and it was not a boast.

[@zagessj]

Strongest style doesn’t necessarily mean strongest swordsmanship since some of the Scabbards can use Oden style but don’t have close to the strongest swordsmanship

[@dacubanmofo]

@@zagessj except the vivre card data book also stated he was deserving of the title of worlds strongest swordsman after his journey. And oda specifically answered an SBS question about cutting the giant boar and oda said the cut was so clean that you were able to perfectly stitch the boar back together. And that was when oden was 18. Indicating his skill and swordsmanship were also amongst the best in one piece.

[@EnoughTimeHasPassed]

@@dacubanmofo another reason why mihawks title means nothing

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Oden vs Lucci who y’all got since this is apparently a topic

[@ndibunwapeter9013]

Oden no diffs that overgrown cat

[@akadenanderson3283]

Okay fair enough, I see your point on why oden is still stronger than zoro. But dragon form Kiado is portrayed to be his weakest form. Why, because kid, luffy, law, zoro and the scabbards was able to press dragon form Kiado. Even the very first fight with raged luffy vs Kiado, luffy was knocking down dragon form Kiado. Also luffy with ryou was able to knock out dragon form Kiado with a weaker attack than zoro ashura form. There is evidence that dragon form Kiado is weaker than hybrid form.

[@divyanshusrivastava5028]

Read the manga, anime extends those fights, in the manga Luffy couldnt do shit and speed blitzed so hard.

[@Paopao621]

Idiot, Luffy wasn't knocking down kaido.

[@Idk333idk]

@@divyanshusrivastava5028but that doesn’t change the point that dragon form is kaido’s weakest form against an opponent in 1v1. Like why would anyone turn into big ass dragon to fight a single man, it only makes kaido himself a easier target. Current kaido would mid diff his past form

[@divyanshusrivastava5028]

What weakest form, do know what Hybrid Form is, it takes the best qualities of both of the form, for example durability of the dragon form or the strength of the Base form or the speed of the dragon form or agility of the base form. I am not sure which stats are taken from which but it takes the best stats from both. Yeah hybrid forms are stronger but that doesn't mean it has better stats than other form.

[@Idk333idk]

@@divyanshusrivastava5028 i said in an 1v1, think logically dude, even fodder killer pierced kaido’s scales when he was in dragon form and law could easily land his gamma knife due to kaido being in dragon form. Being a dragon only made kaido an easier target for oden to land his togen totsuka. If against opponents like big mom, bajrang gun, i can agree dragon form is honestly good otherwise it honestly doesn’t matter how much durability it gives you, since dragon form takes your mobility away. Not to mention 20 years ago kaido’s durability isn’t even close to what monster he is now

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

Oden left a scar on Dragon Kaido(easy target) and then got one shotted by Base Kaido using Thunder bagua. Keep in mind this was Oden after he traveled with Whitebeard and Rogers.... Meanwhile, Zoro left a scar on Dragon Kaido(easy target) and on HYBRID Kaido( who was much stronger than any Kaido Oden fought) while having 20-30 broken bones and that was before he was the "King of Hell."

[@EmperorBeastKaido]

Unless you believe that base Kaido’s attack was stronger than Roger’s divine departure, then Oden getting taken out by it was simply due to him being mentally nerfed by “momo’s” capture. These arguments hold no weight.

[@tawchaentertainment1488]

thats dumb, the oden that got one shot was fighting a whole day or more. None of Zoro's fights last 15 minutes, Zoro can't go that long because Zoro pools his power into finishers. Oden scarring Kaido is more impressive because Zoro at full power couldn't even replicate that feat proven by Kaido's own words who wasn't impressed in the slighest. Oden is a legend, Zoro is nowhere near that real of power. Zoro is out here fighting off kaku and Lucci and still struggling with enma.

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

​@EmperorBeastKaido Kaido fought a much stronger version of Oden than the one Rogers fought. Rogers divine departure only sent a weaker version of Oden through 5 trees while base Kaido one shotted a stronger version Oden.

[@EmperorBeastKaido]

@@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028 so you believe that Kaido’s attack was stronger than roger’s? Because keep in mind, oden was only slightly bloodied after divine departure. He was still conscious and full of energy.

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

​​​@@tawchaentertainment1488 So he fought a whole day or so and only manged to leave a scar vs a weaker version of Kaido.... meanwhile, Zoro only needed a few seconds with 20-30 broken bones to leave a scar on a much stronger Kaido who was using Hyrbid form 💀 Kaido and Big Mom was literally dodging Zoro's attack and that was before he was the King of Hell. Zoro's feats on the rooftop is better than Oden's career 🤣🤣🤣 Who did Oden fight and beat? NO ONE! My man was struggling with Gaban for 4 days 🤣🤣🤣 Oden got finessed by OROCHI for crying out loud 😂😂😂 Oden was a walking L his entire life.

[@FTL_SAN]

That panel of kaido taking about his old scar does in no way shape or form insist that oden could scar him like that again. He said they weren’t able to OPEN UP his old scar. If anything he’s implying that if they were as strong as oden back then they’d be able to open it up.

[@kenton926]

Oden had Kaido on life alert with one “paradise totska” attack, when we know he had more moves he didn’t get to. If that old hag wouldn’t have jumped in then wano wouldn’t have needed joy boy to release them from slavery.

[@thememeguy2195]

People always say Kaido was younger to downplay Oden, yet Kaido still put Oden in the same tier as Roger, Shanks, and Whitebeard. Obviously, not all of them are equals, but Kaido still respected Oden to put him in that same tier. In contrast, Kaido didn't sing Zoro's praises that much and instead focused on Luffy.

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

If anyone thinks current Zoro loses to Oden, please keep that same energy for the remainder of the series when Zoro fights Kaku, Lucci, and future opponents.

[@DivineZenkai]

Bruh why are you talking about future opponents if the subject of your argument is "current" Zoro. Obv zoro is going to surpass oden in the future. As of rn tho he doesn't

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

@@DivineZenkai Because current Zoro scales above Oden which was proven on rooftop/roofpiece but you Oden fanboys are too delusional to accept those *FACTS* Keep that same energy Oden fanboy moving forward since you think current Zoro will lose all of his future fights.

[@SirDave]

Kaku and Lucci are not stronger or as strong as Oden tho. The level of delusional here is crazy....

[@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028]

@SirDave The only people who are delusional are you Oden fanboys

[@DivineZenkai]

@@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028 first of all I'm not an oden fanboy idk why people always assume people are fanboys because of differing opinions. Second, idk how rooftop zoro out scales oden when oden was about to end kaido but got distracted while rooftop zoro did his strongest attack and kaido shrugged it off. Third, in my comment I literally said Zoro will get stronger than oden in the future. I never said zoro is going to lose all his future fights. Lastly, I was calling out you talking about future opponents as if that matters in a discussion about current zoro. Why are we talking about what zoro could potentially be or fight if your argument centers around current zoro. It seems all you ZORO fanboys get defensive just cause he can't beat everyone in the story😂. Ion know if Zoro is holding all these peoples moms hostage for ransom in exchange for wanking him on the Internet but y'all gotta chill.

[@abdosoliman]

Plotwise Zoro still needs some time to get to Oden level as it's clearly obvious he is got some more training to hone his skills with enma and Conquers Haki he just used them for the first time. It fits the narrative that Zoro will surpass all these legends but not this version of Zoro not yet.

[@idseniddy2645]

So Far During The Egghead Arc Zoro Has ⬇️ Cut The Giant Water Whirlpool With Bonnie In It ( Used Enma) Cut / Blocked Kakus Attack Shortly After He Woke Up ( With Enma) Blocked and Eventually Knocked Down Kaku With A Non Named Two Sword Style Attack ( With Arament Hardening Coated On His Blades) Intercepted S-Hawk With Two Sword Style (With Arament Hardening Coated On His Blades) Held off S-Hawk and S Bear Off Screen While Luffy Was Looking For Bonnie or Vegapunk , I don’t remember who he was looking for specifically ( Two Sword Style) Fought S-Hawk With Kaku Off Screen Classed With Lucci With Two Sword Style (With Arament Hardening Coated On His Blades) We have yet to see Zoro Complain About Enma Draining His Haki and Causing Him Trouble Currently During Egghead 👀

[@zagessj]

From the start of the Onigashima Raid until the King fight, Zoro was using Enma with no issues as well so this isn’t a good argument. We can only tell how much Zoro has improved with Enma when he uses King of Hell and releases all his haki which he hasn’t done yet.

[@ClutchCombo]

The statement Zoro fought shawk off screen could be incorrect cause Kaku mentions he fought the seraphim 2v1 it’s very likely Zoro got lost looking for shawk

[@idseniddy2645]

@@ClutchCombo remember when lucci and kaku were tied up??? There was literally a moment were Luffy was away from Zoro and zoro literally called Luffy to comeback because he was defending kaku and lucci from S-Hawk and S-Bear

[@idseniddy2645]

@@zagessj I wasn’t arguing anything in particular, I’m just pointing out that Zoro is using Enma a lot more and hasn’t said much regarding haki drainage on egghead But I will say this During rooftop battles against Kaido and King Zoro has mentioned “unleashing enma more” and telling “Emma to give his haki back”.. obviously currently there’s a difference in skill when using Enma so far because he’s able to casually imbue Enma with Armament Hardening effortlessly and consistently so far.. During the fight with Lucci Zoro is definitely going to show a high level of Haki mastery with Enma , Lucci is the perfect hype tool for that

[@nathanwelling8948]

@zagessj I disagree, Zoro had to play a support role in the fight on the roof because he knew that using Enma too much at that time would hinder him too quickly, proven when he was panting after the Dragon Blaze. Every attack he used with Enma that released enough haki for him to feel the drain improved his control as a benefit, Ashura being the biggest boost until KOH. He was having no trouble attacking King head on without support, unlike with Kaido and Big Mom, and I have King over Big Mom in overall combat ability.

[@Ali-sh5sx]

Exactly! I have nothing to add A perfect video

[@jacksonacosta7264]

Zoro isn’t quite there yet. But it’s not like they couldn’t fight. His 3 sword style and skill have surpassed oden. His relationship with conquerors however is very new and he’s not quite mastered it I don’t think. Regardless he puts up a fight against oden. A very good fight too

[@CapGodSama]

I got some things to drop on this vid ill be back

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@rjun143]

Only argument I would make for Kaido is that his devil fruit gets stronger as he ages (the dragon got much bigger the older Momonosuke aged), so it is logical to say he is stronger 20 years later

[@baonemogomotsi7138]

Logical?! He literally didn't use his Hybrid or Flame Dragon Drum, ofc he's stronger tf.

[@zagessj]

Kaido was already 39 by the time he fought Oden and an established top tier in the world so the ageing factor wouldn’t matter

[@baonemogomotsi7138]

@@zagessj He wasn't a Yonko then, and by portrayal he didn't even use his Haki or hybrid at all/as consistently as he did 20 years later. Factoring in his flaming dragon bagua, he definitely got stronger.

[@alkezar9542]

​@@baonemogomotsi7138kaido himself puts Oden above zoro. Also Oden was about to kill him

[@baonemogomotsi7138]

@@alkezar9542 Nobody's disputing that pal! Oden was placed among the likes of Rock and Shanks so ofc he's a monster. And he's beating current Zoro any time of the day. The dispute is simply the range of difficulty.

[@VictorDurand-me5yu]

great video all good correct points

[@ekayn1606]

Zoro damaged a more durable Kaido whilst having 20+ broken bones. Now he's even stronger in the new arc. It'd be a way closer fight than you're portraying. . Oden got no diffed by Roger. They weren't on the same level. You're just wanking Oden to the max and Downplaying Zoro. . I'm not sure if you're trying to be disingenuous or if you actually believe this crap.

[@Sociallybeast01]

When I go to the comments I can tell most of the zoro fans didn’t watch the video and came straight here to argue 😂 so delusional

[@Account-jn7xu]

Love your vids!

[@Ptolemy336VV]

to all the Zoro baboons here with an IQ of a floortile. Oden literally wiped Kaido in his most defensive form which is in dragon form. The scar is so immense that when Luffy in Gear 5 mops the floor with Kaido, there are 2 episodes with extremely clear shots of how tiny Zoro's slashes are on Kaido's body compared to Odens. Not only is Oden's scar by far the weakest point on Kaido's body, but Zoro's scar is entirely engulved by Odens. And maybe Kaido is 10-15% stronger now. It would not matter whatsoever to the points I made here. Oden's attacks where WAY stronger than Zoro's

[@YungRoronoa_YT]

You mean the scar that a weaker Zoro left with a bunch of broken bones on a 10% stronger kaido?

[@Ptolemy336VV]

@@YungRoronoa_YT a VASTLY smaller scar, completely engulved in Odens scar. If I could send links, I would wipe that low IQ smirk of your face. And its Odens scar that Zoro, and all of the scabbards used which is by far the weakest point to attack. Thats why they all attack Odens scar to begin with. How much more pathetic do you want it to be for Zoro. And also thats not how it works. Zoro literally still was able to initiate his 1 in 600 episodes final attack on Kaido. 9 swords ashura infused with CoC. Kaido didnt kneel, didnt fall, didnt get blown away. Nothing. Nada. Only for Kaido to casually walk over to bash Zoros skull in. *Odens casual named attack >>>> Zoro's 1 in 600 eps final attack*

[@YungRoronoa_YT]

@@Ptolemy336VV bro relax, your not like this in real life lmaoo yea it was a smaller cut, that's obvious, but it's still Zoro with 20+ broken bones, and him before his buff. All I'm saying is that your point about the difference in potency has many factors, zoros trouble with enma, having 20+ broken bones,kaido being stronger, and pre buff. Things that aren't factors anymore. Zoro didn't not use odens scar, that's a lie. And if you think odens attack on kaido was just a casual attack, your tripping, reread or rewatch the scene, and OF COURSE odens left a bigger scar on a bigger target, when kaido shrinks, the scar does too.

[@avalac7412]

@@YungRoronoa_YTbro just can’t think outside the box here 😂 zoro has already reached oden’s level which was why enma finally accepted his worth it was looking for someone with haki, swordsmen ship sport and strength like oden. oden was 39 at his peak too zoro’s much young and has the better ceiling give it an arc or two and this won’t be a debate anymore. Momo might surpass oden too cause he has kaidou’s broken fruit

[@masterknives7]

Great video man. My only critici is that you shouldn't use kidos wound as a way of showcasing strength, because it has been shown throughout one piece that scares only stick when it is connected to a key point in a person's life.

[@TheRealShadow614]

People really think kaido would put current zoro in his top 5 😂

[@Shubham-hr5uw]

kaido was delusional, he dont know that mihawk, dragon, garp exist in same timeline😂. and mihawk is way above oden

[@Khaled68335]

@@Shubham-hr5uwhe never fought them, that’s why

[@killswitchxv3074]

ZKK cult is going too far man. zoro landed 1 good hit with all his might + enma buff and even though it scarred kaido (keep in mind a much smaller and shallower scar than oden's), it didnt knock kaido off his feet or have him too threatened. he proceeds to get 1 tapped while oden was at the very least going toe-to-toe with kaido while battling a whole army and tanking boro breaths, fighting on pretty equal terms imo. only reasons a thunder bagua did him in is because haki is heavily correlated to the user's emotional state as we've seen from sanji, and oden seeing momo like that nerfed him hella. this is the same oden that ate a kamusari from roger (the same move that 1 tapped a YC+ Kidd, who's on the same level as zoro) and got right back up. oden is still clear of zoro mid-high diff at worst.

[@LeftEyeGod]

Rare L Zoro it’s definitely clear of Oden

[@isaacmybro9570]

🤡

[@VictorDurand-me5yu]

idiot

[@VictorDurand-me5yu]

oden one shot zoro literally

[@FlawlessWallace3350]

There is also the virve card statement about oden’s attack being one of the strongest oden had taken which came out after zoro ashura

[@anima6501]

Hey there zage can u do a video about pre time skip luffy vs Manga deku cause I think it's a pretty interesting fight and I would like ur opinion on it

[@zagessj]

I stopped reading MHA in the early 300s so no can do I’m afraid

[@anima6501]

@@zagessj ok np thanks for the reply anyway

[@gottagofast1548]

The power up that zoro got was literally for using enma, that shit tells you everything, oden was on a 1v1 with kaido, kaido in rooftop was fighting luffy, law, kidd, killer and zoro and yamato, also do yall think oden would struggle against lucci?

[@TheWolverine___]

The only reason I put Zoro potentially above Kaido is due to the fact that Zoro fought a stronger version of Kaido in a unhealthy condition then oden fighting a weaker Kaido in full health

[@dsw-2898]

I was kinda scared you were gonna say Zoro wins But thank god you think Oden wins

[@isaacmybro9570]

Fr zoro fans are crazy 💀💀💀

[@dsw-2898]

@@isaacmybro9570 I mean I just watched a video by tylearned and he was glazing Zoro soo

[@isaacmybro9570]

@@dsw-2898 yup

[@Packirup1234]

What Na If using kaidos shioulette as a basis for Ur argument u then have to question why bigmom blackbeard mihawk garp Sengoku all the admirals and even zoro(who also gave kaido a scar permanent scar) was not given the same level of acknowledgment

[@phir1450]

I didn’t see the video bit Oden prime is stronger than Zoro for the moment. He can beat Kaido, zoro can’t, no need to argue more lol. But certainly, Zoro at the end of the manga, will be stronger than Oden

[@hare0036]

Wow, this is a very bias video. Kaido not growing stronger after 20 YEARS? Zoro coating his attack on conq haki when using asura😂?? Despite later showing Zoro doing that against King and it looking vastly different. The bandages were not on King? So ur telling me asura was stronger than dragon damnation. U only cared to defend Oden. But when there are actaul statements about hybrid Kaido durability, that isn't taken into account. Good video regardless 👌

[@FTL_SAN]

The statement with get as strong as you can could easily be about kaido getting overthrown due to the prophecy so it doesn’t matter how strong he gets (mocking) because he’ll lose anyways

[@mohammedaymanechorfi2994]

Great video, and yeah, not even remotely close.

[@drakebrothers9757]

ok i agree and disagree with some stuff, first of all or me oden stomps zoro mid diff but anyway saying kaido getting stronger in 20 years worth of time is exaggerated is crazy cause luffy went from chore boy to emporor in less than 5. so kaido is deffinatly stronger on the rooftop but oden didnt have 3 supernova to help him. so oden wins high-mid diff in my opinion

[@yoforduder]

yo zage whats good zage

[@zagessj]

wassup

[@noelofhouseligma589]

nice work on the topic but i have a little problem with how quick you are to dismiss the anime and data books for hybrid kaido being more durable that his full zoan form if you want to ignore those ones fine but in the manga it is shown verbatim that kaido and every zoan that goes into their hybrid form is superior to their base and full transformation in every stat except size and scale , only being surpassed by their awakening ( not saying kaido is awakened ) but yeah my opinion tho

[@zagessj]

As I said in the vid even if you think Hybrid is more durable Oda doesn’t show much of a difference between it and the Dragon form in that regard. Hybrid is a better combat form but that doesn’t mean it clears in every stat for example Kaido deemed his Dragon form more suitable to dodging Snakeman than his Hybrid (not saying Hybrid can’t dodge Snakeman with future sight too btw)

[@shem2k]

I only have on thing to say 20 years pass...the new gen always stronger than the old gen...so it make no sense that oden scar a based kaido 20 years ago is stronger than zoro that scared a prime hybrid kaido

[@ReyesThaRula]

Wrong🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@isaacmybro9570]

Cry 🤡🤡🤡

[@ReyesThaRula]

@@isaacmybro9570 didn’t read captain Hippo D. Man boobius 🤦🏿‍♂️💀

[@EmperorBeastKaido]

How is it wrong? Don’t just ignore the narration lol.

[@ReyesThaRula]

@@EmperorBeastKaido shitpoo of the rain victim 🤡🤡🤡

[@EmperorBeastKaido]

Why is he a shitpoo of the rain victim?

[@calebsmith-jc8wj]

I just hate when people try to power scale one piece so I just say everything just tie

[@Yoho96]

Every feat Oden has Zoro has but Better Oden Scarred a Kaido early into his pirating career not counting his apprentice days in rocks pirates Zoro Scarred a much stronger and durable Kaido who was in his hybrid form which is clearly stronger than Dragon form Oden killed boar that some how wasn't dead(still confused about that) Zoro destroyed a mountain sized pica who was much bigger than the boar And Zoro has much better techniques than Oden

[@youngfish1370]

Can you prove he got stronger nope. His dragon form was the main thing that fought and got hits in gear 5 Luffy. With all your headcanon out the way Oden>Zoro

[@Yoho96]

@youngfish1370 what headcanon everything I pointed out actually happened in the story, absolutely everything Oden did Zoro did but better. Also it's been 20 years since Oden fought Kaido that's 20 years to master his fruit that's 20 years to master Haki that's 20 years to master his fighting style and techniques There's absolutely no reason to think he didn't get stronger after 20 years. Now that we've cleared up everything I said was factual and logical Zoro >> Oden

[@VictorDurand-me5yu]

he was 39 already so not early at all kaido grew stronger but not much stronger dragon form is more durable than hybrid oden swordmanship was the best itw so better technique than zoro

[@dacubanmofo]

Oden cut the boar with such exceptional skill he didn’t even kill it. It was able to be stitched back together. Stated by Oda in an SBS

[@mackniffy]

Wait til they realize oden is stronger than mihawk too

[@zagessj]

Looks like you’re getting carried away there

[@mackniffy]

@@zagessj idk man Kaido might agree with me

[@alkezar9542]

​@@mackniffymihawk has no intrest in kaido so wouldn't fight him

[@mackniffy]

@@alkezar9542 why not? he wanted to test himself against old white beard why would he not also want to test against the strongest creature? Does he know he will lose?

[@isaacmybro9570]

Hell no 💀💀💀

[@tayrock-ho3lq]

Oden gave kido ptsd why you think when zoro sliced his ass he had a flash back

[@isaacmybro9570]

Silence the zoro fanboys that actually believe he stands a chance against oden 😭😭😭

[@thelonecyborg3555]

?

[@anime_world6684]

You mean oden or zoro

[@isaacmybro9570]

@@anime_world6684oden I mean oden >>>>> zoro lmao

[@sharkking4]

Zoro finds a way to win at the end, thats how his character is. Progressively anyone on his tier, eventually he will win.

[@EmperorBeastKaido]

@@sharkking4oden is several tiers higher than Zoro.

[@solomon12366]

Bro, that thing you said about Kuzan and Garp is a bit off the mark. Your argument for Kuzan holding back against Garp can be used for Garp holding back against Kuzan as well. There's no way Kuzan beats Garp. Garp, even at 78 years of age, is dropping BB's crew one by one, and the only reason he got stabbed was because he sacrificed himself for Coby. Garp is scalable to Whitebeard, seeing as he could fight on par with Roger. I just don't see Kuzan beating Garp in a 1v1.

[@svz1345]

Considering how kuzan's powers work and how punk hazard looks, and how he insta froze several bb commander in a second, I'd argue kuzan was holding back a lot more than garp was.

[@solomon12366]

​@svz1345 but Kuzan did insta freeza Garp and then Garp broke out of it and told him that it won't work on him. So Kuzan did try this on Garp. There's no way Garp loses to Kuzan in a 1v1 dude

[@svz1345]

@@solomon12366 did he insta freeze koby, or helmeppo?? Because he could've but didn't. Even if you look around there's almost no ice to be found which means kuzan didn't use his df that much here and probably (speculation) was brawling with garp. Mind you, kuzan was even able to match garp's acoc punch with just his armament + ice punch, and tanked garp's punch just fine, so why there's no way kuzan defeats garp?? Based on what kuzan has absolutely 0 chances of beating old garp?? The whole new Gen surpasses the old Gen only applies to luffy shanks and other select few?? Also garp kept insisting that kuzan was wavering and doubting, making him weaker. I'm sure both of them held back, but kuzan held back a lot more.

[@alkezar9542]

​@@solomon12366garp is old dude. Let him go

[@mcafreee4770]

Yeah I’ve been binging Zerg’s vid and this is defiantly the first time I have to completely disagree with him on nearly every point mainly zoro was absolutely not using conq’s haki. The reason why luffy’s couldn’t hurt kaidou without adv conq’s but Zoro could because zoro is using 9 swords 😂 I feel like it’s pretty obvious swords > fists in terms of ap. And the black lightning is the tell of using conq’s if someone does an attack with no black lightning around their weapon or body they aren’t using conq’s it’s that simple . But as of rn I do agree with the outcome of the fight just not the reasoning

[@Azeral7]

Come on zage i thought u were the logical one

[@FTL_SAN]

Bro it doesn’t matter if Oden was off guard with the attack. It all boils down to how far both of them were pushed in the moment. Oden was GENUINELY struggling with Dragon form kaido. Getting attacked by boro breathe, constantly on the back foot. And having to use his STRONGEST ATTACK on dragon kaido. That man oden was panting and out of breathe. Even if it went on longer it would t have mattered kaido would have won. It’s just like the scene where the CP0 agent stepped in. Even if the CP0 agent didn’t step in luffy would have still lost without Gear 5th. And oden doesn’t have a gear 5th to magically activate later in the fight. You wanna know why luffy would have still lost if he didn’t get gear 5th? Because we saw kaido still pushing luffy back relatively with him in gear 5th. Using stronger attacks and moving even faster. Luffy not only said that was his last attack. But kaido hadn’t even brought out drum dragon yet. And that is the exact same situation as oden. Even if oden got to continue. Kaido still had a DRASTIC arsenal of things to tap into. Hybrid form, bloodlusted form, advanced conquerors attacks, and Drum dragon. The only way you can believe oden would have won that fight is if you believe kaido is not as strong back then as he is no. So say he doesn’t have great advanced conquerors haki, a hybrid form, and drum dragon. Then that would be a WEAKER version of kaido and therefore not a YONKO LEVEL FIGHTER. So that’s would mean that ODEN IS AT BEST EQUAL TO OR SLIGHTLY STRONGER THAN A NON YONKO LEVEL FIGHTER. It would have to fall between first commander and maybe admiral level. But admirals might be a whole lot stronger than what we think. So admiral may even be too high. Zoro did better against a stronger dragon form kaido. And did relative well to oden with a hybrid kaido while on the brink of death. We cannot be serious right now. Having a lot of haki and high durability doesn’t make you a yonko level fighter. He has skill but from what I’ve seen he’s overwhelmed people with his natural physical strength and haki quantity like naruto.

[@Idk333idk]

Bro spitting facts🗿

[@alkezar9542]

​@@Idk333idkOden was about to 2 shot kaido. Show me the panel where zoro knocked out kaido. Kaido says Oden is stronger therefore he is unless you think you know better than kaido

[@Idk333idk]

@@alkezar9542 bro really comparing current kaido with kaido 20 years back💀💀. Current hybrid kaido would mid diff oden and its not even close. Kaido literally puts anyone he sees worthy as a top 5, dude he was literally considering pre acoc luffy to be put in top 5. That doesn’t say shit about anything moreover kaido fought zoro without any coc, so its not a big deal that he considers oden stronger than pre acoc zoro. Moreover zoro has all the feats oden has but better

[@avalac7412]

nice break down bro I like the logic behind your thoughts definitely good counter arguments id use myself 😎🙏🏾

[@dacubanmofo]

You again. Everything you mentioned about oden struggling was anime only and did not happen canonically. The manga is what’s canon. The manga depicts oden going for a final blow on a knocked down kaido that wasn’t moving. He was going to win. It also explains why kaido is traumatized by him because he knows if oden landed that last attack he would’ve lost and been killed (oden was trying to kill him not just defeat him). A scar is not enough to traumatize kaido. And to further support that oden was not overwhelmed by kaido at all, one piece magazine volume 14 states kaido won by *deception* , not force. Kaido did not win because of strength.

[@Badman0417]

6:26 Dead Man's Game Sword's Drawn

[@ChristDTimix]

@zage im pretty sure it's implied king has better durability than kaido so u saying kaido had bandages for days while king didn't is because of his race.

[@zagessj]

King has better durability with his flame on

[@chrisanderson2056]

@@zagessjso he has better durability…

[@ChristDTimix]

Damn u right 😂 But I do thin zoro is alot closer to oden than people think

[@ChristDTimix]

@@zagessj but let me ask u dis question do you think current zoro would be kaido from 20 years ago🤔

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

hey zage do you think oden will get another new sword kitisu 2 or another one of odes sword to be more stronger

[@UncleAaron685]

Isn’t oden dewd

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

i mean what@@UncleAaron685

[@ichkannnichtmehr3]

​@@UncleAaron685lmao yeah oden got neg diffed by orochi

[@zagessj]

That won’t be possible I’m afraid

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

@@zagessj yeah i know but still it would have been great

[@chrisgrad9004]

I blame the anime for part of the Oden's underestimation they had him fight scopper gaban for 2 days 😂😂.

[@zagessj]

Tbh that makes Oden look good bc that was before he learnt advanced conquerors

[@Paopao621]

I agree that zoro is weaker, but man most of the arguments are pure speculations

[@dacubanmofo]

It’s not speculation, it’s logical deductions based on context and statements made by either the narrator or kaido. Sometimes you have to use reasoning based on available information to figure things out. That’s a skill employed in reading, of any kind. It’s not always going to be spelled out for you.

[@kagelynx]

Zoro all but admitted that Oden was stronger. Who's trying to debate this? I read a KZbin poll from a popular channel last year. 90% of those subscribers haven't even read One Piece from the beginning. They joined after the time skip, but those are the most vocal critics 🙄

[@isaacmybro9570]

Nothing but fax

[@Shubham-hr5uw]

kaido also said luffy will be among top 5, means gear 5 luffy is weaker than oden

[@kagelynx]

@@Shubham-hr5uw .....🙄

[@karabonyakale2043]

This is 🔥as usual

[@CRY10]

oden vs zoro not even close what a joke😂 bro is comparing nerfed zoro attack to buff oden attack anyway it is true that zoro can't beat oden yet but i think it so close extreme diff either way

[@clinged2711]

6:42 I do not think that it's conquerors because kaido literally tells Luffy a dead man walking cannot use conquerors coating if Zoro used it he wouldn't have said that as that's what Zoro was 🤷‍♂️, also black lightning is always shown even in minor cases like ulti so yea

[@biasedpotato8511]

Nope, it isn’t always shown. There are multiple times when black lightning is not shown for conquerors.

[@clinged2711]

@@biasedpotato8511 only pre ts lol and they didn't even show haki then

[@zagessj]

Well clearly Kaido was wrong bc Luffy used right it after he said it and it only furthers explains Kaido’s shock of Zoro using it bc he thought“dead men walking” couldn’t it.

[@Tarnished5Leaf]

So Oden can get angry his wife got hurt but folds when his own son is in danger ? L take A tranformation doesn’t make you more durable ? You’re implying the forms are simply used to end the fight in one shot and if you can’t you’re ducked either way since you’re not more durable to handle a long lasting fight . Sage my brother you cook but this is by far your worst take Were also comparing 100% Oden to a weakened mentally nerfed Zoro. Zoro beat the dude with higher endurance that Kaido. By default he mops Also Luffy isn’t gonna let Kaido get bandaged up . What kind of point is that ?

[@tawchaentertainment1488]

Thats not 100% Oden, he had to take on a whole army and then tank random attacks from Kaido in the middle of the battle before ever reaching Kaido, Kaido made sure to exhaust Oden before letting him approach him and Oden casually slayed him down, Zoro used the limit of his power and couldn't even phase Kaido, Zoro at his limit is just starting to approach Oden's tier of power. Show me a fight where Zoro can go longer than 15 minutes without all his stamina being burned out, Zoro is really terrible at conserving power because his base is so weak he has to pool his haki into his blades at full power to end the fight quickly or he usually loses.

[@zagessj]

I already addressed all of this but you just didn’t understand it

[@yokuutsu9097]

bro clearly didn't watch the video

[@Tarnished5Leaf]

@@tawchaentertainment1488 unless you think the scabbard did nothing and that weak enemies actually damaged Oden then I don’t see why this is worth bringing up.

[@Tarnished5Leaf]

@@tawchaentertainment1488 and in what condition was Zoro when he scarred Kaido ? You’re aware the Kozaboro chapter directly confirms he was mentally nerfed . Meaning that the limit of his ability was what we saw of Ashura (with broken bones) this is highlighted by the fact that only one blade scarred kaido. Enma the blade coated in conquerros. Post awakening Zoro arguably tripled his AP Since All 3 blades are coated in conquerors

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

also zage make what ifs like what if oden beat kaido became shogun of wano one of the four yonko worlds greatest swordsman or even one of the seven warlords of the sea

[@jazzburrell8870]

Zoro easy dub. Oden is dead

[@UncleAaron685]

W been here snice 1k

[@zagessj]

W

[@saracoatney9770]

Oden wins high or extreme diff

[@Tylearned]

Literally scheduled this for tmmr LMFAOO no way

[@zagessj]

Damn 😂

[@raymondgreen7343]

Oden should be stronger

[@SirDave]

Be prepared for this to be your most disliked video Zage. The Zoro stans and their delusion continues the same was as Zoro's sense of directions. As a fan of anyone of the series, you have to admit when facts are facts. Taking your love of your fave and overriding clear fact is delusion. Saying Zoro is stronger than Oden is like Saying in Wano Zoro was stronger than Mihawk, when Zoro got folded by Kaido, and Kaido and Big Mom. The only reason he fought again was literally because of the minks super drug 🤔 Oda already hinted that Zoro isn't there yet, in One Piece Stanoede. Hints are sometimes left in non-canon material.

[@yokuutsu9097]

zoro fans be like: "h-he king of hell.,, he-- he cut kaido and did.,., a kaidillion damage...."

[@monschi1715]

not to bad he did all that without mastering enma, acoa or acoc and partiarly being highly damaded unlike oden

[@tayrock-ho3lq]

Naw oden would have one shot zoro I’m sorry and zoro my guy

[@joeygamingnl2724]

Im all for Zoro downplay since I severally dislike people who think he’s even close to yonko level but Zoro while severally injured scarred hybrid Kaido similar to how Oden did while less injured and against a weaker form of Kaido, however the scar was more impressive, this would already put them on a similar level with imo Zoro being more impressive but it honestly doesn’t matter since Zoro got stronger later with king of hell, basic haki blooming and them going to the next island giving them an unquantifiable amp aswell while Oden didn’t really fight after this and eventually died meaning rooftop Zoro who’s quite a bit weaker than current Zoro would already be at least close to Oden whether u think Zoro is stronger at that point or Oden doesn’t matter, besides that Zoro and characters relative to him like Killer being able to tank and easily dodge attacks from both big mom and Kaido is also just more impressive than an Oden who was consistently slapped around by Roger and Whitebeard aswell as having worse feats against Kaido

[@Shubham-hr5uw]

as matter of fact current zoro posses KOH ashura, the most dangerous ability, kaido will get knock out after this.

[@joonaheikkero432]

Yeah, It’s unfair! Zoro would never cut down a fellow White boy!

[@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch]

3:04 great point i never tink of that

[@JayJay-ph4qs]

The bandage scaling is almost so stupid that it ruins the video lol

[@3dsmaster537]

Yeah that was kinda wack. Maybe Oda just, get this, didnt feel like drawing bandages

[@zagessj]

It was a supporting point not a main one lol

[@JayJay-ph4qs]

Yeah I get it lol I actually agree with the vid but that just felt like agenda piece which is fine also hope to catch more of you @@zagessj

[@cizics]

The argument shouldn’t only be if zoro can’t beat oden but also if zoro can fight against oden and have a somewhat equal ground of contestant and if you put zoro over asura and denjiro which he intensely is by a landslide then the fight with zoro and oden is much closer than ppl want to give credit for which is sad for ppl not to admit…currently the way I think of it is that at this point I’m not betting against all three monster trio because they bloom and come out victorious the stronger the opponent is at this point in the story.

[@nanab4719]

Such an L . Zoro is stronger

[@acasualfanboy1862]

Oden vs Kaido being so short and half offscreen was just Oda hiding Kaido's moves for future hype, this is the same guy who made Hybrid Kaido a silhouette just for a surprise reveal right afterwards

[@whatever_hi_in_spanish_is]

Literally, Oden fought a younger kaido and only landed 1 good attack, Oden also nearly got heavily overwelmed by just 1 of kiado's attacks however Zoro was able to deflect a attack from both a current big mom and kiado so there is'nt really a debate when it comes to strength lol Endurance/Durability wise Zoro still heavily outclasses with zoro tanking all of luffys pain during thriller bark in which regardless of any endurance feat Oden could ever even have is majorly irrelevant because of Zoro tanking a literal near death state, Skill wise Zoro has far more valid feats than oden, With oden commonly getting absolutely bodied by people like whitebeard and roger who dont even use there full power when striking at him and with kiado he barely even showed any real feats of skill while zoro has shown how good he is threwout the series, What feat could oden even possibly have that even puts him anywhere above what zoro did 😭

[@bremalerage5935]

Naw

[@jeypatel2520]

Zoro > Oden. Let me explain. Zoro blocked a combined attack from 2 Yonko, scared the sh*t out of both Yonko, and left a bigger scar on Prime Kaido while having at least 20 broken bones. Oden fought a younger Kaido, left a smaller scar on him, and got 2 shot. Edit: Zoro is better user of Enma than Oden. Edit 2: Oden is not comparable to Whitebeard and Roger. Whitebeard mid diffed him, and Roger one shot him. I think Zoro would be able to last a bit longer against both of them, and he will surpass them at the end of the series.

[@Cyanduck485]

Do I think oden is completely overrated? Yes Does he beat zoro? Yes

[@lbozo5805]

Oden is yonko lvl

[@tawchaentertainment1488]

Yall Zoro fan boys comparing Zoro at full power to Oden casaully slaying down Kaido. Classic overreaching lmao, this Oden was fighting a whole army , tanking boro breaths and it was close to day in the fight he was pulling off these feats, none of Zoro's fights last longer than 15 minutes. After a day you have little to no stamina so clearly anyone gets one shot, same situation with Luffy vs Katakuri, ur durability and stamina eventually starts to fall off after hours of battle.

[@Shubham-hr5uw]

oden sword skill is so weak that he cant even cut kaido flame attack, meanwhile zoro cut that

[@tawchaentertainment1488]

@@Shubham-hr5uw bro doesnt know what ryou is, and Oden didn't even need to cut it lol thats the difference in power between him and Zolo

[@UncrownedAce]

Ashura wasn’t a conqueror as you said zoro gave it his all when using koh and ashura. If ashura was truly coating then we would’ve seen the lighting same as we did when he used koh😂.

[@idseniddy2645]

Ashura Is Literally A Manifestation Of Zoro’s Willpower After Getting Hit By It Kaido Asked If Zoro Can Use Conquerors Haki… I wonder why he would ask him that

[@shwix6534]

Oden is clearly strong but imo saying he would've won which i m still hearing nowadays is kinda dumb Also makes sense for him not to be much stronger since he was at 39y (Shanks age)

[@thelonecyborg3555]

Explain

[@tmtsps12]

oden is not winning he is clapping

[@ichkannnichtmehr3]

kaido only used his weakest form hahaha he used nothing else and people still think oden is on par with him

[@tmtsps12]

@@ichkannnichtmehr3 oden still did way more damage than zoro

[@ichkannnichtmehr3]

@@tmtsps12 Nope they both did scar him meaning their ap seems roughly the same

[@WWEFans223]

Ibr this is a mad disingenuous video, here’s 1 rebuttal to a point you mentioned You say Kaidos durability is > Flame Off king, but within the story Zoro drew blood from base Kaido at the start of the raid with Tiger Hunt whereas Zoro got overpowered and sent flying with the same attack against flame off king. One of many points within the video that is fallacious

[@WesleyZ3]

Oden is stronger than current Zoro should be common knowledge in the One Piece community but Zoro fans will be Zoro fans.

[@LeftEyeGod]

How so Oden being stronger makes zero sense

[@prxxnce_]

You can simplify this video in 2 sentences: Zoro was so overburdend by Enma he regarded it a tool to get significantly stronger. Oden was using Enma since the age of 4, that is effectively 2 decades of the same 'training' with Enma compared to Zoro's 2 weeks.

[@DKAM65]

KOH Zoro is literally portrayed weaker than Oden 😭 Zoro is shocked that Oden could wield enma like it was nothing while using ACoC.

[@isaacmybro9570]

Exactly

[@zoan3217]

Cook those Zoro fanboys. If zoro is stronger than oden, then oden is weaker than shiryu. They won't say that so they'll say that it's all about hax with shiryu. So... raidsuit sanji>act 2 zoro? Yh zoro is stronger but sanji got that same hax, dummies

[@zagessj]

😂😂😂

[@isaacmybro9570]

Fr lmao 😂

[@GuppySama1]

Oden>

[@isaacmybro9570]

W

[@ragnartellevson1870]

L

[@isaacmybro9570]

🤡

[@isaacmybro9570]

I find it ironic when u say zoro > law your a zoro fanboy but when u say oden > zoro your a hater it just shows how biased the one piece community is