How to 360 Pop Shove-it - Why it flips and how to avoid it with SCIENCE

[@whythetrick]

Happy Friday everyone. If you have any question, please leave your comment. It's getting warmer day by day here. Let's go skate. Cheers!

[@berrithoughtfull]

i also have a question in preparation for my new 3 shuv attempts, i’m goofy so would i scoop in the 11 o clock direction?

[@whythetrick]

@@berrithoughtfull hi thanks for the comment. you are right. it's 11 o'clock if you are goofy.

[@njgrind]

spoken by a brilliant mind that the skate community is lucky to have. Watching your vids reminds me of why I became so fascinated in skateboarding when I was introduced to it, which was learning that its actually possible to manipulate a simple piece of wood to do precise movements. Its like the only thing some people can feel control over in this world of chaos.

[@whythetrick]

I think I had the same impression when I saw a Rodney Mullen’s interview. Thanks for the comment!

[@fakienightmareflip]

you're doing god's work my friend!

[@AlecKeaneDUB]

Love these videos. My favorite part about skating is the technicality behind it and these animations make it much easier and fun than trying to visualize in my head lol

[@thedude5413]

I love your videos man, even if I can already do the trick I find myself watching them. You should do a video on backside flips, I can never do them consistently.

[@whythetrick]

Thanks for the request. Will see what I can do.

[@jaredlopez-alamilla3113]

I hope your data collection has grown since you introduced your 3d model converter

[@whythetrick]

It is getting better thanks for everyone's support. But I need waaay more to perfect it. Just like skating huh

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

Quite interesting, as expected. In this case I did not think about the bushing rebound, silly me, considering I thought the flipping was due to the "pressure" while scooping, hence why some used to call the 360 flip that does only involves the back foot a "pressure 360 flip". Thanks for sharing.

[@claysoggyfries]

This helps sooo much. Lots of people probably wish they had this video to analyze

[@whythetrick]

Great to hear that.

[@Iuta]

love your videos

[@SuperDoctorprofessor]

I love your videos so much. Makes me think about skating in a whole different way.

[@whythetrick]

Happy to hear that! I usually go skating in the daytime and go journey of exploring the science behind skateboarding at night. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does that haha.

[@borrred]

I like this style of analysis. It is how my critical thinking works in everyday life. Thanks for the visuals and thorough editing

[@juantorregoza9873]

great video sir. would love to try the trick out with the tips.

[@whythetrick]

Please don’t call me that. Wish you the best luck on your trick!!

[@MarkPuke13]

Yooo always love your videos thank you for this and the 3d models❤

[@whythetrick]

Thanks for the comment! Glad you like it.

[@ageofvoltron3765]

youre doing the lords work, man

[@waytoowhat]

omg I have been to this skate park, it´s in Tokyo, right?

[@berrithoughtfull]

amazing. im gonna try this and note the results of keeping these angles in mind

[@berrithoughtfull]

okay. here are my results after 10-15 minutes of practicing. i landed them almost every other try. it most definitely made the rotation easier. and my board rarely flipped when scooped properly. i found having my foot right in the center, just a tad closer heelside will guarantee a nice pop. i will upload a short of what my three shuvs look like now compared to before this video

[@thundernixon]

I can’t help thinking that a treflip flip is caused by more than the bushing bounce. The trick also has a lot of force of the back foot pushing the top of the tail, and wheels dragging. This alone could cause some flip motion, no? The tail also bounces. My guess is that it’s the combination of all those forces. A really interesting video would be someone trying to treflip with either/both A) entirely hard bushings (like metal washers, maybe) or B) no bushings. I’m guessing either would be a lot harder then with normal trucks, but I bet both would be possible.

[@whythetrick]

sir, how did you know what I'm working on haha please give me sometime. will start working on this soon.

[@TimBand]

Excellent videos on this channel! I think I agree with your "bushings not springy enough" friend -- a bushing seems as much of a damper as a spring -- but you are definitely correct that it is not the front foot. Doesn't the intermediate axis theorem do all the work for you? Because you are not spinning the board quite along the short axis the angular momentum leaks into a long axis spin. I like this explanation because the video appears to show the roll speeding up as the board tumbles. I also wondered about the gyroscopic effect because the pop puts a forward pitch into a yawing object imparting a roll. I'm not enough of a physicist to calculate either of these, though!

[@TimBand]

Last night my dreams were full of tumbling skateboards... So I realised my memory of the intermediate axis theorem was confused, and I don't think that can be the effect. But I would like to think some more about how the axis of the spin plays out, it's always been something intriguing and confusing to me in physics. I have also almost convinced myself that the gyroscopic effect I mentioned works in the wrong (heelflip) direction, so it can't be that. However, the gyroscopic effect of the spinning wheels works in the correct (kickflip) direction, leading to the questions does more speed make the effect worse? And does doing it fakie reverse the effect? I can't 360 pop shove it so I can't experiment with this myself yet.

[@joshb9657]

Amazing channel!!!!

[@keapaishere]

Then theres me trying to tre flip but only getting these with ZERO flip😂 , great video as always !!!

[@vonbreise]

I joined the website. Does it work better on a computer? Great stuff!

[@whythetrick]

Hi thanks! I do recommend PC environment as much as possible.

[@haroldcampos9661]

I missed a tre trying to pop it (I still don't have them) but I popped it down without a hard scoop and have been getting pop shove its. The secret for me is literally to pop it [hard af] (make up a name for it like thwack or wap if it helps lol like an onomatopoeia) n you can probably get 360s too. You can also keep the front foot on the grip but just to keep it level without flip. Hop n move it forward with you, nothing else. Been loving pop shuv its [especially] since they smack me in the shins less lol And because the pop and the scrape on the ground is satisfying, but to me it's like a tailblock motion or like I'm putting out a cigarette with the tail. I really get into it for that second and it just does a 180, nothing else.. I can see a razor-tailed board making crakcing sounds when you do this. I also think I was doing these many years ago, before I sort of took a break.

[@thallrudedjentstorm1756]

when i do my 360 I barely scrape the ground. I almost don't scoop at all. I press down very strong and then scoop very lightly. if you scoop very light you won't get the flip issue.

[@njkf]

This guy has like 200 IQ

[@whythetrick]

Naa I’m just an idiot who likes to think haha

[@njkf]

One thing I was wondering: if the bushings create the kickflip-rotation when shoving the board 360, resulting in a 360 flip, how will you explain someone like Daewon Song's 360 flips, knowing that he skates WITHOUT bushings in his trucks? You can analyze his 360 flips here and clearly see his trucks wobbling without bushings: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opS8dJSDmtaVrbM

[@ertiikus]

Do a giveaway of the no kickflip deck :^)

[@imdurgesh9430]

CAJONK!! Teh key to not overflipping 3 shuvs are u must CAJONK on the back foot and CAJUNK the front foot at 420 degrees. There you have it, teh key to not overflipping 3 shuv.

[@whythetrick]

Sir?