How to Ollie - LOWER the nose to LIFT the tail - Analysis according to science

To lift the tail in an Ollie, you need to understand how your board moves according to science.
In this content, we will see how the tail and the board moves from a scientific point of view using 3D models.
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[@fe4m]

Ive progressed so much since I started skating 7 months ago.. I can do sick tricks like treflips, dolphin flips, Ollie late flips, hardflip, Fakie tre, inward heel... I learnt so fast and I'm still learning... I learnt most of the tricks I know now and how body motion and is unique for each and every trick from this channel... Thank you so much 👏

[@ManolisTheKing]

what..... 7 months, im baffled or however it's spelt. Props to you, ive been skating for 3 years and only know how to ollie and 180. can't even do gaps

[@nikosucksatskating]

Based on the name I'm thinking this is a joke

[@dimavlasiuk4220]

Average beginner progression video be like

[@dql9773]

post clips

[@bakadavi3917]

A motion converter?! You are a legend, that's amazing!

[@whythetrick]

haha thanks. plese be reminded the system's still in the development stage. please give it a shot and give me feedback.

[@thundernixon]

Thanks for this video! I’ve progressed my ollie a lot, but truly leveling it out is hard even after about 18 months of regular skating. Lately, I’ve found that if I think about popping “quicker” - some undefined percentage like 15% quicker - I can get the tail to come up with my back foot a lot better. An earlier revelation was popping the tail “back” a bit, to really give the front foot something to push up and forward against. I still have a hard time really getting it to stick to my back foot, and leveling out high. There’s a 15" ledge I want to grind, and I can definitely ollie that high, but I need to be more consistent with it to make it onto that ledge.

[@whythetrick]

Thanks for the comment! As you mentioned, timing and the direction of pop have more room for discussion. In my case, I don't "intentionally" pop the tail in the other direction (refered to as "back" below) I'm going. I'm guessing we'd naturally pop back because our body's center of gravity is somewhere above our boards, and the tails are located in the back. Anyway, some people say they intentionally pop back and I think I could talk about it in the future. Thanks for the idea!!

[@erazeN]

​@@whythetrick please do talk about this. The only time I managed to level out the board at a good height was when accidentally popped backwards

[@EsotericOccultist]

Please do a video on why launching off a bump or curb cuts sends you higher into the air.

[@whythetrick]

Hi everyone, thanks for watching. Please share your secret in Ollie below!

[@fe4m]

The jump motion, widespread of arms, timed pop and drag and shoulder position are very important for my Ollie...

[@rccollin7699]

I know how to ollie really well now. But what helps me is being balanced by almost doing a squat when bending down and not leaning back or forward. It keeps the board center. Especially while moving.

[@whythetrick]

Great point. I kinda hold my movement for a 0.1 sec after crouching down, so that my body self-corrects its balance and bring its center of gravity between my feet. Perhaps I could talk about that in the future. Thanks for the idea!!

[@mra32715]

Just came across these videos. You are amazing. Physics in skateboarding is so interesting. Well done. Thank you for these videos.

[@ageofvoltron3765]

Man, I'm loving these videos. Keep doing what you're doing.

[@whythetrick]

Thanks for the comment. I will!

[@sengokuiruka]

Wow I never thought I'd see Tamachi's skatepark in a video. I used to skate here all the time in college! Great stuff and love the videos!

[@triplflip900]

I would love if you could do a video on 5-0s, because I've always found that, in order to get into them, I have to change how I ollie by basically not pushing down with my front foot, or only pushing down very little. I do an ollie that looks kind of like the model in the video of only moving your front foot horizontally. It's the only way I have ever been able to ollie and stably land on my back truck. Same for ollie to manuals. I'm curious if this is true objectively, or just an issue I have. It seems to limit how high I can ollie into 5-0/manual. Great stuff as always. Thanks

[@whythetrick]

Ahh, thanks for the feecback. Indeed TRUE. Not lifting the tail has good aspects, as you said. I will see what I can do. Thanks for the recommendation!

[@bureaucratbayonet]

A video on the science pf how to fall would be good. Tho maybe its not something I should over think 😅

[@dinguscollective1872]

All your videos are helpful because they explains the general principal of the ollie in great depth. One thing I like to point out is that the wheelbase can make the ollie feel easy or difficult. With a longer wheelbases(14.6 or higher), it takes some time for the front foot to slide up the board , latch into he pocket of the nose, and pushing the front foot to level out the ollie. While a shorter wheelbase performing an ollie is much quicker and easier. Although these are my experiences, I think it is important to point this out so beginners can understand how their wheelbase can affect their performance.

[@whythetrick]

Great point! Perhaps I could run an experiment with boards with different wheelbases...

[@Dave0Star]

Maybe a video doing Ollies over gaps would be cool, I feel like it’s more of a glide than a up and down Ollie.

[@whythetrick]

Ahhh sooo true. Sometimes it's easier not to lift the tail to achieve something. Thanks for the idea. Great insight!

[@burger1113]

Pushing the nose down is not necessary for the tail to rise if the front foot drags up and forward on the way up when the nose has the maximum velocity which is briefly after the pop. It sends the tail in the upward and forward trajectory, which may need to be caught and pulled back slightly to avoid landing backfoot heavy.

[@JulianGoddard]

What algorithm do you use for your website? I've spent some time working with ViTPose recently but I'm curious about others

[@whythetrick]

haha, I might help a future competitor but it's Google's Mediapipe. mediapipe.dev/ Although it can easily handle the pose estimation part, it took me a loooooong time integrating it with a web server and displaying it on web browsers. Feel free to contact me from a contact form if you have further questions. whythetrick.io/contact/

[@splash4890]

i still can’t pop the tail off the ground and land on the board bruh

[@ariekanibalie]

Hmmm, the tricky thing about skateboarding tutorials is that what you think you're doing, or aiming to, isn't always the same as what you're actually doing. I get what you're saying with slightly 'lowering' your front foot, but in my experience that happens automatically when you're getting ready to land. I think one of the most common issues people have trying to learn ollies is that they're not kicking their front foot out far and hard enough. Everyone always stresses popping the tail hard, but to get a good levelled out ollie, you'll need to proportionally kick that front foot out. How hard? I'd say almost as hard as when you bail a gap and kick out your board. People like Aaron Kayro teach kids to 'slide' their foot towards the nose, and effectively this may be what you end up doing, but putting it like that gives no sense of how much force you need to put into that front foot to properly leverage the board and lift the tail. It's more a ninja kick than a 'slide' IMHO. As for the front foot moving down at the peak, I've seen this visualised as trying to trace the letter 'D' with your front foot (if regular). So: up, out and downward again. But the main thing really is to kick out pretty hard and trust that your board will actually stay with you. Good stuff bro, love these in-depth physics-based videos.

[@ariekanibalie]

UPDATE: I was a bit sceptical about the theory, but went skating yesterday and tried pushing my front foot out and slightly down as you said, and it seems to result in a slightly snappier ollie for me, so thanks for that! Better yet, it also works for getting my kickflips higher and more boned out.

[@d3juwsk]

make a video who explain how to make heelflip

[@whythetrick]

Will try. Thanks!

[@d3juwsk]

@@whythetrick :D

[@jacksonpatton2590]

please do laser flip i beg you

[@whythetrick]

haha, I need to practice it first.

[@Masloff30]

A new one

[@whythetrick]

yes, thank you for a new comment!