Wideband Tuning Your Harley-Davidson, the Next Best Thing to the Dyno

[@scottarmstrong1172]

Great info as always. Having dealt with "stupid" EFI systems, I would say that the more info you get to your ECM the better. Even a lightly modified bike would benefit from a wideband system.

[@GixxerFoo]

Oh gosh yes, even a stock bike retuned with a Power Vision or FP3 improved stock map is a night and day difference.

[@umpatas5468]

There is no such thing as autotune. I have a Thundermax. I love it. BUT you must have your base maps right for your set up. You still have to adjust timing for low rpm spark knock, or change base map AFR for mpg vs heat etc. Thundermax is great at adjusting your tune for conditions but you have to do the initial work. You get the setup disk with the tuner. You should familiarize yourself with the program before installing. My bike is not stock. I've had to spend hours tweaking my base maps. If your bike is closer to stock or hopped up more traditionally than mine then yes it's the best. And it's the only tuner for boost I trust.

[@westcoast3595]

All I know is the people at Thundermax Care. Great explanations. Great service

[@ejgrace420]

I bought myself the zippers thundermax auto tuner with the wide band 18mm. It lite my softail slim s se110 right up it was a new animal. I only had one problem with my oem in the hot weather. Cruising non stop to Laconia a almost 6 hour ride. It stalled out waiting at a border patrol checkpoint at almost 100 out. And I gotta free dyno tuning with it as well. Always love from Upstate Ny

[@GixxerFoo]

You got a free dyno tune with the purchase of the unit?! You can't beat that deal, hell a good dyno tuning session can be as much as 500 bucks!

[@Duey_diditGarage]

Been rocking Thundermax for 5+ years even became a dealer and proudly sell em to alot of my buddies

[@GixxerFoo]

ThunderMax is the way to go, once you buy a flash tuner then do the add on for wideband you're right there with the price on the ThunderMax. Plus you have a new ECM designed to work with wideband. Send me a link and I'll add to the description of the video, see if we can move some Thundermaxs for you.

[@Duey_diditGarage]

@@GixxerFoo I sent you a DM on IG

[@johnchilds6471]

Been using the Power Vision for years. Besides being a outstanding tuner it also features a very complete sensor display, if the bike has a sensor they will display the output making troubleshooting a lot easier. Also Hammer performance strongly suggests Power Vision, and since I was using their 1250 kit on my Sporty it made the choice a no brainer. Thunder-Max does not have a real time display. When I started using Power Vision I didn't know about Thunder-max, and most likely wouldn't have got it because of the cost. I started using Power Vision, then added the wide band sensors later, the old style, not Target Tune. Today, Thunder-Max has a real strong point if your bike is still under warranty, since it is a complete ECM replacement just reinstall the factory ECM before taking it to the dealer for any problems, could save you thousands in repair. Also Fuel Moto has it for sale at a GREAT price. And in my opinion Fuel Moto is a great shop.

[@GixxerFoo]

The Power Vision is awesome since you can email tunes as well. It's great especially for Hammer since they can send you a tune they've built and take the risk of destroying the engine out. There's been guys try and input the tune into a FP3 on a phone or tablet and shell their motor. It can be done but it's very risky, well worth investing in the Power Vision to be safe doing major upgrades.

[@dsruddell]

not true. bcm will see the ECM change and will flag the bike

[@davidroberts8410]

@@dsruddell not if you unplug the battery before you swap the ecm

[@ericrogers7142]

Got my Thunder Max from Zippers.. they had a system for a 2000 (88).. super sweet

[@gvaldezcurrie]

Shit canned the FP3 and bought the ThunderMax from FM, luckily my VH power Duals have 18mm thread. that subtotal est represents approx. 1,800 out of pocket. As to Dyno...Just hate having to rely on a shop, a tech, a revisit with a change and I ain"t on a drag strip. I want my vibrator to do her best with what she's got. Add a nother 1, 800 for cams and related parts and away we go. Funny thing is this whole started with my wanting to check/replace my cam tensioners. FM is a good group to work through. I wish me luck with the install cus I got to do the work now that I' broke. Ha Ha been here before, Again.

[@alanwhiteside410]

I have the Thundermax on my 103 HO 2016 Ultra Limited. Plus a Fuel Motto 2-1-2 stainless header pipe ceramic coated and 4” Rinehart mufflers, Roland Sands Black Ops Hi Flow Air Filter. I’am Happy!

[@GixxerFoo]

You can't beat a Thundermax, they ain't cheap but they are well worth it!

[@darrenstokes9123]

Just wanted to say thank you for the great information on several of your videos me and my bike are grateful for your time to do these vids thanks again happy riding

[@GixxerFoo]

Great to hear! I really appreciate that!

[@WTDOOR63]

I just installed a thundermax tuner in my ‘22 RG ss129 , ported heads+2mm valves, 64mm TB ,592 reaper cam, 2-1 khrome werks outlaw. It’s the best performance tune I’ve ever had. I had Powervision and Tmax blows it out of the water.

[@eddiebones20]

Checked with my mechanic/engine builder about the ThunderMax for my built 98" 05 Deluxe. Of course he says "it's a POS and I'll hate it" when he gets $500 for 15 minutes of Dyno time and I'll be skipping those sessions with every new mod. I'm moving up north and the changing elevations, air conditions it would be nice to have a closed loop system that "learns" what my bike likes.

[@russphoto]

Best tuner explanation I have ever seen.......

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! I just try to keep it simple us, most of us aren't interested in the crazy technical data.

[@vf12497439]

I had issues on my 2010 road king with the thundermax. Throttle by wire would malfunction and I’d have to turn the ignition on and off 3 times to reset the TM. Sometimes after that my cruise control wouldn’t work and I would have to cycle on and off again to get that working. Other than the terrible fuel economy it ran really awesome. I’m hesitant to get a TM for my ‘22 road glide limited with all the bells and whistles…. I have a D&D 2-1-2 header ordered that has both O2 bungs. At least with the thunder max as I grow I will already have a tuner that can grow with me.

[@KevXRDuke]

I have an XR1200. My bike is all about performance not touring or comfort. Thundermax is the way to go.

[@trippontwowheels]

The Foo is back in action!

[@GixxerFoo]

I am always trying to get some new content cooked up.

[@MrPAULONEAL]

I pity the Foo...

[@nicklanderos3773]

Saved the day once again!! Grateful for you knowledge and information

[@johncaberto9698]

Had a power commander 3 for my 88tc but swapped for a thunder max works great and it can adjust to future upgrades🤙🏼

[@GixxerFoo]

That ThunderMax is one of the best out there!

[@davidroberts8410]

@@GixxerFoo thundermax is only good for boost. Other than that it's junk since it doesn't monitor knock and can't retard/advance the timing tables.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

@@davidroberts8410 can't you adjust it manually when its plugged in?

[@BillyBlaze7]

I had an 08 Nightster with cams and ran a Revtec DFO and it was fantastic

[@GixxerFoo]

I haven't heard anything about one of those in along time! I don't think they sell them anymore, they worked really well too.

[@BillyBlaze7]

@@GixxerFoo sure did man, and I ha a buddy that worked for a major parts supplier so I got it for cost too...i have a video of the bike on my channel, short but you can hear it from a cold start. That sporty would haul ass....i should have kept it

[@stlchuckhd]

Thank you for the excellent clarity on tuning!

[@GixxerFoo]

My pleasure!

[@benodie02760]

Great information as always, another home run video!

[@fredflint1797]

I like that the power vision retains my original map and allows me to create other Maps and switch between them. That way if I modify my exhaust it's easy to customize. It also allows me to have a key fob made at the dealer. I understand changing the ECM prohibits that. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[@GixxerFoo]

Tuning your motorcycle shouldn't mess with your key fob. My wife's bike is tined and we haven't had any issues with her key fob getting a spare.

[@fredflint1797]

I heard that regarding changing the ECM. Did you change the ECM on that bike?

[@johnberris7682]

Yep glad to see you finally replaced your shelf! Lol

[@GixxerFoo]

Me too! It's a lot less suspenseful now though lol.

[@samslade739]

Thanks for another great video. I bought a Thundermax for my '04 several years ago but never got around to installing it. I now have a 2016 but this one won't work on it. Now I have to decide whether to get another Thundermax or go with Dynojet. You're right that either way they'll both cost about the same. I'll probably go with Dynojet because I don't want to replace my factory ECM. I understand that there are allot of other features on the newer biks that need that ECM to work right. I may be wrong. Don't know.

[@GixxerFoo]

The ThunderMax would still work with all your Harley accessories if you went that route over the Dyno Jet. Biggest draw for the ThunderMax is the wide band 02 sensors.

[@CH-gq1kl]

Power vision on stage 1 103 on dyno 80hp and 99 ft/lbs and runs sweet I had a fp3 and hated it and used it for a few seasons go with Power vision and get a proper dyno done you won't regret it

[@GixxerFoo]

Getting a power vision with a dyno tune is just unbeatable, a good dyno tech can really dial them in!

[@robertrich5774]

@@GixxerFoo wish I could have found a reputable shop near me to tune mine with my power vision!!! The only tuner was local HD. Dealer.. and hear they rush the tunes.. at a cost of 600.00 bucks and I already have a base tune from fuel moto. Just wanted them to dial it in and they told me they will have to get a tune from dyno jet… I already have a licensed tune on my tuner. I thought they would only have to dial it in on their Dyno… so I ended up going to a reputable custom tune shop in metro Detroit Michigan area.. but they don’t tune with power vision!!! going to pick bike up on Monday morning 6/27/22.

[@tommidd8042]

If set up properly its most likely better than dyno tune optimization.

[@midnightmc3096]

Superb Production, thank you! From southern California ~ Ride Forever!

[@vf12497439]

My new thundermax is having weird quarks. I’m developing pre ignition knock and occasional blurbs out of nowhere. It’s almost 90° out today and I’m running shitty 10% alcohol premium gas. I’m not going to start running clear premium at $10 per gallon. If this thing can’t run on pump premium I’ll jerk the thundermax out. My wave tune thundermax also can run your narrow band O2 sensors and there’s maps available for it. I saw them in my list….

[@GixxerFoo]

You might give Zippers a call on that one, it sounds like there might be something faulty possibly.

[@vanislandsteve]

I had a v and h fuel pac 3. It was ok until I swapped cams, then my bike ran terrible. It would hardly start and kick back on start up. I replace the compensator with a Baker and it still would kick back etc on hot start. Replaced it with a Thundermax and now it runs perfect. Its like night and day. If you are going stage 3 then get a Thundermax.

[@GixxerFoo]

You can't beat the ThunderMax tuner, that's the way to go. Those units are with the wide band are the absolute best solution, they can tune any setup you throw at them.

[@mikedanaher3413]

My Road King is a 2007. I have 18mm bungs for 02 sensors from the factory. I’m lucky they only did that a few years.

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah no kidding, there was only a few select years they did that! Saves a lot of money since you're already setup!

[@kenpuzio645]

Excellent video. Just want to add one thing regarding ditching the Harley ECM for a ThunderMax (which I am a big fan of). The stock Delfi ECM has the capability of retarding timing if it detects pinging. You won't even know it's happening. All automatic in the background. That's not available with ThunderMax. So, if your motor starts pinging, there will be no timing retarding in the background like with the stock ECM. To eliminate pinging, (providing it's not happening due to bad gas, overheating, or lugging the motor) the timing would have to be adjusted manually in the tune. In my opinion, not a deal breaker as I do like the Thunder Max

[@Jermz1979]

Agreed. Adding to that, finding someone that's not only capable, but GOOD at tuning on a ThunderMax can be an exercise in futility as well. If they don't have a tune that matches your engine combination (cam/intake valve combo) you still have to take it to be tuned and good luck finding someone worth taking it to. The ThunderMax is one of those things that sounds amazing in theory, but in reality it's just not worth the problems, especially if you're already out of your warranty period.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

So would you recommend the Thundermax over stock ecm?

[@kenpuzio645]

@@Jermz1979 Well, the ThunderMax IS pretty amazing. You just need to start with a close base map & be aware that timing is fixed in the map & needs to be manually adjusted in the case of pinging. The base maps that are supplied run too rich in the cruise are IMHO. I reset the AFR targets leaner in cruise with no downside. Actually, better fuel mileage and less excess fuel getting into the oil.

[@kenpuzio645]

@@MarvFitBikesKicks I like to use a ThunderMax when I'm tuning a Harley with traction control (RDRS). Without traction control, ThunderMax, Power Vision or TTS are all good options.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

@@kenpuzio645 how do you feel about the overall operating system, alpha n vs speed density? Do you feel the new Harley ECM’s have better tech nowadays and can achieve great results with the powervision and their target tune module or is Thundermax still superior to this setup?

[@soldier09r]

I bought 3 Power Vision Tuners for my previous 3 Harley Davidson bikes. Today just purchased the Thundermax for my 22 Road Glide ST. Did the math like you said and I would rather have the best of the best for a few dollars more. Good info, brother!

[@romesyoutubechannel5356]

Would you recommend the Thundermax For the extra money over the PV?

[@soldier09r]

@@romesyoutubechannel5356 I’ve had three bikes tuned with PV and it wasn’t until I got the Thundermaxx that I felt a REAL difference in power, shifting, everything. So for me I won’t go back.

[@romesyoutubechannel5356]

@@soldier09r thanks

[@davidroberts8410]

@@romesyoutubechannel5356 nope. Alpha n which is old outdated technology. The stock Delphi ecm is speed density and will remove timing if it senses pinging or detonation

[@robertlathan8824]

It’s what I got on my 02 King

[@markgraves9429]

I wanted to upgrade my 03 SE Deuce with pipes and air cleaner. I was told by HD that they couldn't flash my ECM because HD would not give them new maps for that bike since it was "special". So in order to do so I had to go with the TMax. Even TMax had a hard time giving me a map for the tune. Fast forward the bike runs great. For the first year I would ride the bike for 500 miles and update the map based upon the auto tunes suggested points. The tuner will only allow 10% up or down of correction from the base map. Any thing outside of that it wont correct. But as you update the tuning points that were outside of the 10% get within range to be tuned. Thus building a near perfect tune. The cost @ over 1k after tax was not what I wanted to hear but it was well worth the money to get the project finished and me what I wanted to do with the bike.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

I think that when the thundermax tuner is recommended since you have to replace the stock ecm, people should be informed that the it is a alpha n system and there is no knock sensing with the thundermax tuner. The Delphi speed density stock ecm that’s already on the bike is already a great computer and can really benefit from any wide band piggyback tuner out there

[@umpatas5468]

I do think velocity stack ecm's are generally superior. I've considered going back to stock with a wide band sensor suite and power vision. Maybe when I have to rebuild my jugs.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

@@umpatas5468yup, dynojet target tune with the stock Delphi computer is the best way to go.

[@jpvargas974]

Good luck finding a dyno tuner on the west coast who works on thunder max. more dynojet this way.

[@taps_1021]

Even though auto tuning is great to clean a base map up. It cannot control. Timing. A map that is provided by a manufacturer is only a starting point. To get best results you would still need it professional tuned .

[@GixxerFoo]

That's very true, that exactly why even ThunderMax could benefit from that human intervention on the dyno. Autotuning is really just to clean up the cylinder ve tables to hit the target afr.

[@dallaspirate5093]

I have SES2 on an 07 FLHX. Bike ran like crap after warming up ever since it was returned. I pulled the O2 sensors and they were so corroded, the tip grew a bulb shape versus the flat cylinder. Was considering the move to widebands since my closest dyno needs a costly repair. U know who keeps telling me that I don't need a dyno with the Pro Street Tuner and to just keep riding until the canned map kicks in. Thanks for the lesson. Ride Safe

[@GixxerFoo]

A good dyno tune is the absolute best option out there, you pair that with a wide band setup and about as good as it gets!

[@scottmckeen3908]

Was very glad to see this! However, no mention of 1999-2001 Magneti Marelli EFI. I have seen a 2001 springer softail that looks pretty awesome but has that system. A lot of confusion seems to surround it, from don't buy a Harley with it, convert it to carb if you have it, or just read the Harley Service Manual and it's fine. Then I also hear about parts being scarce. Would love your opinion if you have one, as I trust your judgment and deep knowledge.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's a lot older system and it works just fine if you leave it alone. A lot of trouble starts when you start modifying it for more power, parts are somewhat hard to get. The newer Delphi system was a huge improvement. Converting it to a carb can be a lot of work and expensive to do. I believe Zippers has a upgrade kit which can replace some of the parts to that system.

[@jordantserghanos2604]

Great information, you could a bit more in-depth wideband tuning video. Things that are distinct differences between . the Thundermax and the others like the power vision. The Thundermax is great but it is older technology being Alpha-N opposed to the current Delphi fuel injection method of speed density systems that do a better job utilizing more of the modern fuel.unjection systems and adapt better to changes needed by the system. Just a thought,maybe?

[@GixxerFoo]

Tuning is a serious rabbit hole lol, it keeps going and going. You're right though there are a lot of distinct differences between each unit.

[@jordantserghanos2604]

@@GixxerFoo Yes it sure is, I am just learning about it myself having come from CV carbs and Flat side Mikuni of my old EVO. The amount to learn is vast guys like you are a great help. Thanks for putting out good informative videos for us

[@midnightmc3096]

@@jordantserghanos2604 Flat Slide, not Flat side

[@leonardstanford1877]

Sounds pretty much like your dead on with fuel injection . I have installed the tuners you talk about - made them all work but I guess I'm gettin kranky in my old age just give me a carb, a good aftermarket ignition ,& a few carb jets any day !

[@GixxerFoo]

Fuel Injection is awesome when everything works as intended, if something fails it's a real pain and expensive to fix. You keep up on a carb and it's good to go all day every day, much cheaper tuner too!

[@tonybattaglio4625]

So the tap is a 41/64 drill bit and 18X1.5 tap and you're good , got a thundermax on my 2019 flsb softail on stock pipe with slip on not a hard job . easy peasy

[@tonybattaglio4625]

I had FP3 its garbage on a 124 m8 , could not ride bike but FP3 was good on it with basic exhaust and intake above that it was garbage

[@tonybattaglio4625]

started with 107 with SE447,,,, brilliant cam for everyday riding went to 124CI with S&S 475 a good bump but not as smooth

[@life_behind_bars]

Everytime I watch your videos my parts wish list get bigger and more expensive 😁. As soon as I got done watching I went on a search for a thunder max wideband system and an exhaust for my slim. Love your channel, and your AWESOME content. When are you going to get some merch? Would love to buy a Tshirt and sticker 👍😎👍

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Lol yeah I got a wish list of items too, it's kinda frowned upon by my wife though 😄😄. I hadn't thought about merch but maybe it's time to start looking into getting some 🤔.

[@life_behind_bars]

@@GixxerFoo yeah I think I've decided to go with the thundermax tuner, and a Bassani road rage 2 into 1. I went from just wanting to get the bike running better for tooling around town to "let's rip some shit" in just one video 🤣. If you do decide to get some merch I'd definitely buy a shirt and sticker.

[@BillyBlaze7]

for anyone in north texas and further, the absolute best prices on bike parts is direct cycle parts. i highly advise going in there.

[@GixxerFoo]

I may have to swing by there and check them out next time I am down that way.

[@BillyBlaze7]

@@GixxerFoo shoot me a pm from my channel, I will give you the lowdown. there is a procedure but the savings are more than significant

[@BillyBlaze7]

I got my Thundermax NEW for under $700. back in November, waiting to upgrade the items in my primary before I install it

[@GixxerFoo]

That's a awesome price! I usually show the retail prices in the videos but you can pick them up for way less if you shop around.

[@BillyBlaze7]

@@GixxerFoo yeah, I have been wanting one on a bike for a long time and never could swing it can't wait to get it on the bike my 09 heritage is already a torque machine. I have a velociraptor hi lo intake as well

[@salmarinello2976]

Perfect ! Just the info I needed . Thank you

[@GixxerFoo]

Glad it was helpful!

[@rrpj01]

My friend had his 2018 CVO tuned by HD at 6,000ft altitude with a dynojet and without a wide-band system. We rode to the Pacific Coast Highway and his bike was like a bucking bronco. We had to cut the trip short. Would the wide-band ThunderMax prevent this same thing occurring "on the fly"? Thank you.

[@GixxerFoo]

Since he got a specific tune at altitude that would really narrow down the tune and likely that out it out of the range the narrow band 02 sensors were able to deal with. A wide band system would for sure help with that, wide band systems can compensate for a whole lot more altitude change.

[@61espo]

Thanks bro! Always great info in your videos!

[@GixxerFoo]

Appreciate it! I hope it was helpful!

[@61espo]

@@GixxerFoo Sure was!

[@simonkennedy6116]

Something that I've been thinking about is a cheap aftermarket airfilter on a Sportster, you know the small ones which go for $40. I know the filter would be crap but that can be replaced, the question is if the housing make any difference to the engine instead of the standard kidney bowl By the way, I hate the kidney bowl, almost as much as I hate the peanut tank

[@GixxerFoo]

Cutting out the air box and just leaving the mounting points with the aftermarket air filter is a great way to get a open element air cleaner. You're basically making your own backing plate and using an after market high flow filter works just like an expensive one. You can't even tell behind the air cleaner cover.

[@simonkennedy6116]

@@GixxerFoo Cheers, that's been on my mind for a while

[@GixxerFoo]

That's what l did while l was waiting on my air cleaner to come in and it worked really well.

[@simonkennedy6116]

@@GixxerFoo I've had this feeling that it's the quality of the filter that counts, the housing is just what everyone else sees

[@mikhailusov4239]

Dude, thanks for useful info. Did you consider to make video about different aftermarket headlights?

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Funny you mentioned that, I am actually working on one right now 👍.

[@stevec8836]

Another great video . Straight to the point. Thank you. I do have a Harley street tuner on a stage 2 upgrade with Harley se447 cam. My headpipe is a bassani 2x2 with 18mm bungs and s&s slip on. Question: can they instal a smart tune pro and o2 sensors without removing and reinstalling headpipe? I’m just trying to save on labour of removal and reinstall action of exhaust ??

[@GixxerFoo]

You should be able to access those 02 sensors without removing the head pipe, smart tune pro is basically a plug and play installation.

[@stevec8836]

Thanks again for quick response . Keep the videos coming . !

[@stevec8836]

Hi Gixxerfoo. Would really appreciate your opinion on a weird creaking noise I am hearing on my 107m8 stage 2 build after I shut it off . Please look up the video I posted “ weird creaking m8 noise help” . Anyone else who wishes to chime in on what it is also greatly appreciated . Thx

[@andrewvickers4487]

Great video, thanks for heads up re the 18mm bungs. But from what I can tell looking at the HD tapping tool, there's no need to weld on a new bung, you can just re-tap the existing one? (Also the HD tool is suitable for other models including M8 softails - not that I'd shell out hundreds for a tapping kit!)

[@Sam590ss]

You replaced the shelf!😆

[@GixxerFoo]

My wife technically did, she's the carpenter. Lol I am a butcher of wood, but hey at least it's finally done.

[@MrPAULONEAL]

@@GixxerFoo Did she use a level?

[@ABV_Lawncare]

I just got rid of my 87 fxr and picked up a 16 street bob, it came with the big radius 2-2 and a big sucker but definitely following all your videos cover the 103 and tuners etc. also is there a way to tell if there’s cams in the bike without pulling them out and measuring? The idle is a little choppy but not consistent like I’ve been hearing with stock motors

[@GixxerFoo]

If you have a tuner you might be able to view the specs on the cam, you'd want to look at the intake valve open and close times. Stock cam on a 2016 Street Bob with a 103 is the 484, Street Bob didn't have the 103 HO with the 511 cam. Open would be 12 atdc (at top dead center) and 30 abdc (above dead center) this is the timing specs where the ECU reads the MAP sensor. If you are able to view those numbers and they differ, that would indicate the cam is not stock. If it's not stock you could search down those two numbers and maybe find out what cam is actually in it, otherwise you'd have to pull the cams out and see what is stamped on them.

[@ABV_Lawncare]

@@GixxerFoo gotcha that’s a lot of help what tuner do you think is good that can do the job? I think the Harley dealer I got it from flashed it or the previous owner did but everyone’s been telling me the fp3 is the way to go or the power vision if I have the extra money for it

[@tobpitbull]

Power vision, have dyno tuned , THEN use the target tune after dyno tuned… you bike cannot run better… the target tune will clean up from dyno tuner and your off.

[@chalibanec1]

That's dream prices. Especially thundermax. So expensive in UK...

[@GixxerFoo]

What are they selling for over there? I know it's marked up pretty high once it's imported.

[@chalibanec1]

@@GixxerFoo for my 17FXDF 1026 £-1400 $. I didn't find any under 1000£

[@GixxerFoo]

Damn that is expensive, the guys at Hammer ship their Sportster big bore kits over there and they have to sell them higher too. They are a small company in comparison to like S&S too.

[@danielsbackforty8094]

Do you have a video on the DYNA 2000i little blue box?

[@danielrunkle815]

You are the man!

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

Please an answer on this, power vision with target tune wide band o2 system (speed density) or thunder max (alpha n) for a 2022 low rider s with full 2-1 exhaust and possibly a cam? Which one and why? Or just dyno tune and be done with it?

[@RideAmerica]

So, is the PV target tune meant to stay on the bike full time? Previously, I had a PV - I didn't do anything but flash a canned map for a state 1. Admittedly, it is probably more powerful than the FP3. However, for my new bike, I just ordered an FP3. Primarily is ease of use and using my phone to interact with the device as I plan on leaving it on. I probably won't do more than a stage one with the FP3.

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah the target tune stays on the bike, it's the link between the wide band 02 sensors and the ECM. Nothing wrong with an Fp3, it will everything the Power Vision will do. The FP3 just needs a better interface like a PC program like the power vision.

[@davidroberts8410]

Yes the target tune stays on the bike. You'll use the 18mm bungs instead of the factory 12mm narrowband sensors

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

canned maps are trash as every single bike is different

[@1Rooster338]

Just had an Andrews TW48 cam installed on my 2014 HD Road King, 103, with the full Exhaust system. MPG dropped to 30mpg, with alledged standard flash from Dynajet. does that seem right? Was getting 42mpg before. Thanks

[@ridin_low193]

What wideband system is best when you still plan on getting a professional tune, you just want the tuner to have more option available for the best tune possible.

[@GixxerFoo]

The ThunderMax is the best one out there, but for a dyno tuner l would have to say Power Vision. That's what a majority of tuners out there use. If you have a couple tuners in mind you might give them a call and see what they can tune with and what they will charge.

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

@@GixxerFoo why is thundermax the best one out there? power vision has a wideband system as well which uses the ecm's speed density system. so what makes thundermax better than power vision when it comes down to their wideband systems?

[@midnightmc3096]

@@MarvFitBikesKicks 👍

[@gilbertmills4885]

I love what you do. Have you ever thought of expanding to other manufacturers?

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, I appreciate it! That's not a bad idea at all, I actually grew up in a Kawasaki shop basically. Metrics were all I have ever road or owned up until about 10 years ago. I think I will actually start looking into covering some other manufacturers, there are some great some bikes out there!

[@gilbertmills4885]

@@GixxerFoo I ride a Victory and would love to see you do the other domestic brands. Definitely get into the Metrics. If you start doing the other brands you will expand your audience of course and hopefully make your popularity grow? Your in-depth research is great and is the kind of through Geekiness that’s like me😎.

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! I thinks it's a great idea to start expanding the content into other brands. There's quite a bit out there on the other brands.

[@gilbertmills4885]

@@GixxerFoo I watch every video you do and now I can’t wait to see what you find next? This should keep you busy for a very long time. You find so much for HD I’m sure your scraping for more?

[@davidvanbrunt4233]

@@gilbertmills4885 got a Vic in 15 and have NO regrets. .XCT

[@MarvFitBikesKicks]

Can you make a video explaining thundermax alpha n system and the Delphi speed density ecm that’s stock on Harley nowadays? Which is better?

[@hectorherrera3484]

Do you recommend getting a toddler max call Sudo real time adjustments even though you’re still planning on getting your motorcycle Dino tune by a professional today?

[@evelynwilson7586]

Nice shelf.D Wil

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you! Big upgrade from the old one 😬

[@lawrence6115]

I just bought the thunder max tuner for my 2002 ultra classic and an aftermarket two into one exhaust, my bike doesn’t have original O2 sensors. Should I just extend the wires that come with the sensors from the thunder max to the new ECM tuner Since there’s no original wires to plug into?

[@markgca1019]

Great video I have a question my bike already has a screaming eagle pro street tuner Can I install a different system right over that or does it need to be removed Thanks

[@GixxerFoo]

Yeah you can do that, when I do that I like to flash the ECM back to stock with the original tuner. Basically reflashing the original map that was stored on the tuner before you flashed the new current map. Then when you go with a Power Vision, FP3 etc. your stock map will be stored on that new unit, likely never use it again but I just like to have a copy of the factory map.

[@thomashall6937]

I already have the Harley (orange) super tuner. Will the Harley auto tune system with wide band sensors work? 2014 limited cvo. Thanks, as always great stuff

[@GixxerFoo]

Harley-Davidson says it only works with the Street Tuner but your bike is the right year to use with the Smart Tune Pro. I don't know for sure if it would work, Harley says it won't and I have a feeling there's something with the software coding that tells the unit if it's a Street Tuner. I have been trying to contact guys that erase VIN numbers from these tuners to be able to use them on other bikes again to find out. They aren't exactly forthcoming with their secrets, which is understandable. I am not a computer programmer but I know enough to be dangerous lol. I've been playing around with some old units I bought to try and figure what would prevent them from being used with these wideband systems. I'll be happy to share if I can get one unlocked!

[@Dingthedingbat]

Wide band tuning system.⚡️Band on the run.

[@GixxerFoo]

Would you do the target tune add on for your Power Vison or just go with the ThunderMax complete ECM replacement?

[@joemaccrory8121]

Power Vision

[@GixxerFoo]

That's a great tuner and it the target tune is a excellent expansion if you decide later to do more to the bike.

[@joetroutt7425]

I have a dynojet tuner. I'm not sure what model it is but I can come back and edit it. I've since taken the touchscreen off seeing how is that I never used it. It was already tuned when I bought the bike. (14 SG special)

[@roblit79]

I had a Thundermax on my 2006 Road Glide for 9yrs until I sold the bike. It was a stage 1 TC88 with 2in1 exhaust. I could out run my buddie's 2013 RG with a stage 1 103 with a power vision. He was so mad. It was worth every penny. The programming software looks intimidating but once I learned what I was looking at. The auto tune for learning map steps made fine tuning the base map super easy.

[@GixxerFoo]

The new software is pretty use friendly, still a bit of a learning curve but it's not bad at all. That's awesome you were smoking a 103 with that setup!

[@fourftr]

Great info but if I’m not mistaken if you add the Thunder Max you will void your warranty

[@gregkistner1955]

More information more understanding. Thankyou

[@dennisgriffin3558]

Needed to ask you a ? Got 2001fxsti 88 delfi with no oxygen sensors I'm going to hammer performance big bore 98 with hammer impact ported heads 10.5 to 1 compress and knight prowler tw6 cams chain drive wanted to do gear drive gears alone for the cams are $450-$500,s&s cam plate and oil pump,s&s lifters and quickee rods. What is best way to have my bike tuned ?

[@GixxerFoo]

The best way would be a good dyno tune, that way can use wideband sensors to really get a good tune on the bike. The other option would be the Power Vision, Hammer will provide you with a good map to get you started. Being the non 02 sensor bike you wouldn't be able to auto tune it though.

[@charlesstatkus]

I have a 2019 FXLR M8 107 with the extended warrantee and the following Dealer installed parts: Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module with the Wide Band O2 Sensors Screamin' Eagle High-Flow Air Cleaner Kit Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold Screamin’ Eagle Street Cannon Slip-On Mufflers Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit Dyno: 97 HP 104 Torque relatively flat across the RPM range If I change the High-Flow Air Cleaner to the Screamin’ Eagle Ventilator Air Cleaner Kit, do I have to make any changes to the Pro Street Tuner? Appreciate any insight into this change.

[@martinwall7297]

great info, but I'll take a carburetor any day, the motorcycle electronic shit is getting too complicated. a simple timing and jet change are cheaper and easier.

[@GixxerFoo]

No kidding, a jet kit is about 80 bucks versus a at the bare minimum a fuel tuner only at 200 bucks.

[@tcb8295]

Gixxer thanks for the info.

[@GixxerFoo]

No problem 👍 Hope it was some good information to keep in your back pocket.

[@craigssellingmine]

WHAT DO i USE FOR A stage 2 2005 ROAD kING?

[@GixxerFoo]

Wood Tw-6 is a great cam for the 88!

[@aaroncox3340]

Hi Foo. Question. My bike - 2019, HD, Sport glide, 107. I've currently got a stage one, slip on Rhinehart / screaming Eagle extreme flow filter, and of course the SE tuner. I've brought the Power vision, just the touch screen one, and I'm going to do a stage 2, 468c, s&s pump etc, and I'm going to remove the catalytic converter..........."so" can I tune all of the above modifications just with an auto tune from the power vision. ??? I have narrow band. Thank you for any help provided, keep up the good work. 🤘👍

[@GixxerFoo]

Thank you, you can do that with your current setup and just the cam swap. You will just have to input the cam specs into the Power Vision and run the auto tune. You may even give DynoJet a call or where you bought your PowerVision and see if they have a good base map for the cam. Just make the autotune as thorough as you can, that will get you a good tune that will work well. It may not get it's full potential but you would need to get it on a dyno to get all the power on the table.

[@aaroncox3340]

@@GixxerFoo thank you. I brought it from FuelMoto, it has the base map installed with stage 1 upgrades, so just install that first before I upgrade everything else ?

[@GixxerFoo]

That's perfect, you're in business then. Just give them a call and let them know what cam you're putting in and they may have a base map they can send you for that cam. But just be sure you flash that new base map after the upgrades are done.

[@boxcarbro3043]

you love the power vision. but I have a power commander V on my bike. what do you think about the autotune ad-on for that tuner?

[@johnliotta2583]

Idk I think I liked the old bending shelf better. More suspense.

[@GixxerFoo]

Right?! Lol it was very suspenseful working under it!

[@chrish5791]

I see you got tired of hearing about your sagging shelf and did an aftermarket upgrade!

[@gerryrandolph]

Is there anything for us guys that have the older bikes? I have an 01 FLHTCUI with the fantastic MM injection. I currently have a PC3 that I have done the firmware update on that dynojet tells me it is now equal to the PC5. I changed out the cams while I did the cam plate/tensioner upgrade and have been struggling badly to find a tune for it. All the local timers are booked through august and the local dealer won’t touch the bike because of its age and injection system. I love the bike, especially since it’s paid for, but what are my options to upgrade the ecm/fuel management system that will allow me to keep building on this thing without running into that same brick wall I’m trying to get over now?

[@GixxerFoo]

You've got some options, none involve the Manetti Marelli system though. Zippers does make a Delphi conversion kit to update the injection system, it's not cheap but it's less than a decent down payment on a new bike and you get a ThunderMax ECM. That's the best option out there if you want to keep the FI, the other option is a single fire ignition and converting back to a carb. Here's a video that will give you insight into the options kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGO6g6CQqrxkotk.

[@rugershooter5268]

Over my head, do all require changing pipes? What about the Cobra plug and play thingy, supposed to check tune 5 million times a second, but I don't see how it works without using O2 sensor? My dyna and ScreaminEagle run great, I have no idea if they got a tuner or not, but it seems to me that ScreaminEagle would be the one to use, if I ever think about it.....well I think I'm limited on choices for 07 and 08

[@GixxerFoo]

2007 and later you can run just about any tuner you like, 06 earlier is Power Vison V or Thunder Max. The Cobra is a piggy back tuner, it works to modify the fuel system but does nothing for timing or cylinder volumetric efficiency like a flash tuner. They are good for a set of pipes and air cleaner but nothing more. Harley doesn't sell the race tuner anymore, so now they only offer the street tuner. The Street Tuner's AFR tables are locked and can't be modified so your stuck with a very lean tune which keeps the bike running hot like a stock bike would.

[@thenashvillenightshow5119]

Very informative

[@troyabercrombie1969]

If you can I would like an answer if you know. I have heard you can use the screaming angle audituner with an FP3. Do you know if that's true?

[@GixxerFoo]

My understanding is that the Smart Tune Pro only works with the Screamin Eagle Street Performance Tuner, the SE street tuner's map allows the Smart Tune Pro to work. I'm not a software developer but I know enough to be dangerous lol. There is a specific map with the SE tuner that is required for the Smart Tune pro to operate. Which basically means a line of code that tells the auto tuner yes this is a Screamin Eagle map you're okay to operate. Without the map from the SE Street Tuner my understanding is that it will not function.

[@jimweagant8920]

Some more great information thanks for sharing

[@GixxerFoo]

Thanks for watching! I hope it gave you some good information to keep in your back pocket!

[@badsanta518]

Are your hands ok?? What’s with the shaking?

[@gw10758]

Have you ever tried TuneECU or do you have an opinion one way or the other about it? I have 2 FI Harley Ultras (2009/2014) and a FI Triumph Rocket III (2008) I would like to adjust maps on. Thanks

[@ridin_low193]

Which is better the dyno jet power vision or power commander

[@GixxerFoo]

The Powe Vision, it's a complete flash tuner that reprograms the ECM. The Power Commander is a piggy back system that manipulates the ECM. It's not a bad system but flash tuners are way more powerful.

[@harleyhawk7959]

I had a big bore kit installed in 05 along with a powercomander2. Now I'm having it bored and stroked, the guy doing the work said to go back too the stock computer. I asked why he said it would be more reliable and he can put his tune in it. What's you ru take?

[@GixxerFoo]

If he's got a dyno and is able to flash the ECM I would go that route, he's probably wanting to modify the timing and tune your cylinder volumetric efficiency (calculations on how much air is filling in the cylinders). He may have a perfected tune to start with for the combination he is installing so I would likely go with what he says.

[@harleyhawk7959]

thanks for your imput.

[@fivespeed3026]

I think I’ll take mine to a dyno tuner.

[@GixxerFoo]

You honestly can't beat a qualified dyno tuner, those guys are magicians with the power they can pull out of a motor.

[@fivespeed3026]

I agree. I’m waiting for my warranty to end and then I’ll get it done. I am not very impressed with the Screaming Eagle tuner, it’s very rough in lower RPMs.

[@charlesstatkus]

I have the Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module with the wideband O2 sensors. If I install the Thunder Max tuner and have a warrantee problem, Can I reinstall the HD ECM and Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module without leaving any Thunder Max footprints that would void my extended warrantee?

[@GixxerFoo]

You should be fine to do that since the Thundermax is a complete ECM replacement. Everything logged in your stock ECM will still be there if and when you put it back in.

[@ihatesjws669]

All depends on the year. If your year saves mileage on the ecm then your fine, if it saves it on the speedo then when you install the ecm back it will through up a code since the mileage won't match.

[@beri232]

Are you saying that by installing a Thundermax setup, I can get rid of all my decel pop? I had an Indy dyno tune my 124” but it still has a lot of decel pop. Please reply.

[@klum4502]

hey Jixxer, I have a Dyno Jet Power Commander V. How well would the Dyno Jet Auto Tuner work with this setup? Is it worth adding on the Auto Tuner to a PC-V? (2009 touring FLHR.)

[@GixxerFoo]

From what I am seeing the Target Tune add on only works with the Power Vision. But if you were to upgrade to the Power Vision and then add the complete target tune setup you're right there with getting a ThunderMax. If you already had a Power Vision I would recommend the Target Tune, since you would need a complete upgrade the ThunderMax would be the way to go in my opinion. The Target Tune is a signal interpreter to allow the stock ECM to understand the wideband system. The Thundermax is a complete ECM designed for wideband and they are about the same price as the Power Vision and the Target Tune together.

[@robertweeks2039]

What do you recommend for an Air Fuel Ratio sensor to dial in a carburated '02 Sportster?

[@guzz9518]

You make no mention of the TTS Master-tune. What do you think of it?

[@GixxerFoo]

All the tuners essentially do the same the function so it really comes down to the software you like the best. TTS is a great product, you do have to have a PC to tune with, you mostly see those with shops that tune on the dyno. If you're looking for something handheld and you can autotune with a Power Vision is the way to go.

[@mtrcyl1360]

Any idea what the cost difference would be between doing it yourself and getting it dyno'd?

[@PkwyDrive13]

From my experience....here a dyno tune is $350 if you have a dynojet tuner already, or $550 if you have no tuner. Just my experience though

[@GixxerFoo]

What TylerDD said, 350 if you have the tuner and 550 if you don't have the tuner. That's about the going rate for a dyno tune.

[@mtrcyl1360]

@@PkwyDrive13 olay thanks man. Not as bad as I was expecting i guess

[@hootertexas9711]

They still run too lean on the lower positions and on deceleration.

[@troyabercrombie1969]

Could you run the H.D. screaming eagles Audituner in conjunction with FP 3?

[@GixxerFoo]

Possibly, since the autotuner has it's own stand alone controller it should care less about the map in the ECM. All it's job is is to keep the parameters within the map on the ECM. I say it should work unless Harley-Davidson has a coding in the map that wouldn't allow it to work unless it's flashed with a map from the Street Tuner. I'll have to ask around to be sure, I haven't seen anyone try it yet.