Widmann: 2. Violinkonzert ∙ hr-Sinfonieorchester ∙ Carolin Widmann ∙ Andrés Orozco-Estrada

Jörg Widmann:
2. Violinkonzert ∙
(Auftritt) 00:00 ∙
I. Una ricerca 00:37 ∙
II. Romanze 09:31 ∙
III. Mobile 31:14 ∙
Auftragswerk der Suntory Hall Tokyo, des Orchestre de Paris
und des hr-Sinfonieorchesters ∙
Deutsche Erstaufführung ∙
hr-Sinfonieorchester - Frankfurt Radio Symphony ∙
Carolin Widmann, Violine ∙
Andrés Orozco-Estrada, Dirigent ∙
hr-Sinfoniekonzert ∙
Alte Oper Frankfurt, 14. Dezember 2018 ∙
Website: www.hr-sinfonieorchester.de ∙
Facebook: / hrsinfonieorchester

[@bjorndyno2175]

Gorgeous, how inventive and rich! Enjoyed every minute after the first seconds of awe and confusion. To make the violonist singing is such an idea with great impact. Jörg Widmann seems to master every sound imaginable to be produced by a full-blown symphony orchestra. Wish him success.

[@alexanderguthrie6744]

1. Una ricerca (0:37) 2. Romanze (9:31) 3. Mobile (31:14)

[@cmw9876]

Damn. I thought it was jazz. Old enough to listen to it. Wonderful.

[@Dwchidwchi]

An absolutely stunning, incisive, world-class performance delivered with wit, understanding, and musicianship of the very highest caliber. I enjoyed it immensely.

[@adriengomez2825]

I love this concerto and love Widmann works, love his use of the clarinet family, glad we are in the 21 century to see this and all these modern classical great works available!

[@lizzy8147]

Leider kann ich nichts wirkliches mit dieser Musik anfangen, trotzallem ist dieses Werk sehr gelungen. 👍

[@notaire2]

Spannende Aufführung dieses technisch anspruchsvollen Konzerts mit verschiedenen Töne der Solovioline sowie perfekt kontrollierten und zugleich farbenreichen Töne anderer Instrumente. Der intelligente Maestro dirigiert das hoch funktionelle Orchester im veränderlichen Tempo mit völlig effektiver Dynamik. Echt bewundernswert!

[@dariusgoh5314]

oh boy I didn’t think anything could outdo the viola concerto

[@baileyreidrickman]

Honestly both concertos are really creative though. :)

[@urieladiv1]

Lovely to watch how the sister plays her brother's composition with such dedication!

[@austinaudu9196]

This is an Amazing work showing the extreme creative imagination that has become the trademark of Jorg Widman allowing his Sister to display her extreme and dazzling virtuosity and total control of dynamics. Though modern the work does have a Soul! not just Avant Garde for the sake of it...Simply awesome

[@1lekhine]

This is love ! Wunderbar interpretation and composition ! Melodic expressionism The best "Director"(für meinen Geschmack) Great musicians! What else?! Danke

[@stephenmessick865]

wilde...It was nice to hear that the audience appreciated this piece. It was surely a workout for all involved and a unique experience for any novice to contemporary music.

[@CruelLion7]

The last movement is freaking amazing.

[@lucienr7931]

2:17 that man in in the bottom left is already confused, 32 minutes to go buddy

[@gliu]

"art"

[@vectoranderson3641]

Im watching contemporary music whole of my life.......after all widmann is the greatest one to follow

[@roberthuber5589]

bravo !

[@kikkerl]

My instrument looks at me and says: thanks for beeing so good to me...

[@BetonBrutContemporary]

2:32 The true awesomeness

[@dieterammann4]

Carolin is a fantastic violinist. She also plays my violin concerto with wonderful verve and a marvellous sense for colours (1st part: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3ykiJeQlL1mibs)

[@dieterammann4]

And the orchestra and the conductor do a very good job as well. Congratulations.

[@BetonBrutContemporary]

WHY IS MR.AMMANN EVERYWHERE

[@dieterammann4]

@@BetonBrutContemporary Ask yourself: Why do I know this…;-))

[@jasreallySUCCS]

6:18 she needs a bow straightening corrector thingy

[@Trombonist_Georgiy_Bach]

sodelicious..............................

[@kuang-licheng402]

nice

[@oboist3]

Loved it - well worth familiarising yourself with this work and composer.

[@michaelmoss267]

Twoset should react to this

[@fredericchopin6445]

pretty sure they have seen this

[@user-kj4pr2jx4g]

@@fredericchopin6445 Or have they

[@frankstein9982]

Looking at a full all around cadenza from 34:22 , spreading from soloist to woodwinds and percussion. Hilarious!

[@user-kj4pr2jx4g]

The conductor is even counting haha

[@hongkyulee8775]

1973년 뮌헨 태생의 비트만은 현대 작곡계에서 가장 주목을 받고 있다. 기법이나 음색의 새로움이 아니라 인간의 마음으로서의 깊이와 확산감에 의한 것이며, 귀를 기울이고 있으면 정말로 음악이 좋았다고 생각된다. - 모로이시 사치오

[@rieldiniz8260]

Formidable, nothing to ameliorate. It's majestic on it's own, a sensorial poem

[@caioreis9931]

Muito bom! Agradável, prazeroso. Mágico!

[@kikipt]

Interesting, distinctive, and superbly crafted music immaculately performed. Thank you.

[@MendelssohnCZ]

Tap on the instrument ✔ Shimmering noises by moving the bow quickly left and right ✔ Sing while playing ✔ Neverending atonal runs ✔ Changing from naturale to sul ponticello on a long note ✔ Simple folk like melody ✔ Super high melody in harmonics only ✔ After spending quite some time with Widmann's music, it seems to me, its not that adventurous, or daring nor really contemporary actually. Its more like a commentary of what happened in the last two centuries in music together with exploiting all the sound effects cliches of second half of 20. century (mentioned above). In his pieces I hear Rihm, Boulez, Kilar, Grisey, also Berg, Schumann, Mahler.. but where the hell is Widmann? Although he is exceptional, hardworking musician, I failed to find anything true, or personal in his composing. it reminds me of one joke about a book critic, who sits in the pub, reading a new book by a living author. He sits with a hat and every now and then takes it off. "What are you doing, James?", asks his friend. "Oh, nothing really, just saying hello to my old friends."

But his music is not just the sum of its parts. Much more important is the inner logic, where the personal and extraordinary things are revealed, which have to be analyzed.

[@musik350]

@ The point is that Widmann is mostly hiding behind clichées. You can't see him himself in the piece, but only in the introductory essay elaborating on his intentions. Isn't that just a bit disappointing?

@@musik350 Maybe, but I don't feel it like that. It's his style, and his music has a positive effect on me. Of course, the tastes are not the same for everyone, and that's a good thing. In this way, there is good music for everyone!

[@musik350]

@ I'm not saying that it's bad, and I'm not saying that I don't like it. I'm just saying that such a thing as a clear style has become really rare nowadays and only some great composers of our time could really still be recognised by their compositional particularities.

@@musik350 You're probably right. But I think, only the fact of having compositional particularities doesn't make a composer great. Beethoven had a great skill in creating great movements out of almost nothing, for instance out of the four notes of the first motive of his 5th symphony. But this skill isn't great by itself. The inner logic of the movement is much more important, and that's what makes it great.

[@baileyreidrickman]

The second movement is very “Berg” like, whole concerto is very creative from beginning to end ❤️🎶

[@Manu_Forti1]

Creative, yes, but nice to listen to? Well....

[@baileyreidrickman]

@@Manu_Forti1 I mean yes there are some sections that are hard to listen to, but then again there are some fragments in the concerto that are very harmonic :)

[@Manu_Forti1]

@@baileyreidrickman Sure, I can see that

[@user-kj4pr2jx4g]

@@Manu_Forti1 I think yes It’s a good thing to listen when u can’t take the life anymore…

[@angstybulbasaur1712]

I sometimes do what this concerto asks you like accidentally.

[@pedrogandia5408]

Sigourney Weaver playing an "Alien concerto"

[@jasreallySUCCS]

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAH

[@binhpn79]

what the f did i just watch

[@Manu_Forti1]

Yeah like my ears

[@user-kj4pr2jx4g]

At least you guys have lasted for 40 minutes

[@mfca2592]

The viola concerto was better than this, but well done .

[@markchentx]

I'd like to nickname the intro "Learn how not to play violin".

[@OuwenH101]

35:47

[@victoryuanhanlu8646]

Don’t hurt that violin!!😓😥😰😨😱😱😱

[@atucsuc]

That would be really painful considering it is a 1782 violin!

[@kwabzycomposer]

Now I love some of today’s living composers , but this just may be a tad TOO contemporary.

[@Manu_Forti1]

You don't need to mince it. Tad? Yeah very much so too contemporary

[@CaroleBarthaux]

widmann is the andré rieu of contemporary music

[@MTMargraf]

Lol, I kinda agree, but I’d rather say like glass, or adams, or any of the ones who are constantly on Apple Music “contemporary” playlist. At least Widmann hasn’t sold his soul yet like the others on the playlist. (Glass, adams, higdon, Wolff, Richter, etc… mostly minimalist d bags)

[@DavidA-ps1qr]

Full of ridiculous gimmicks.

[@Manu_Forti1]

Glad to see there is someone of sense here. A romantic I bet. Good day sir

[@sumeetsharma7256]

It's very difficult to get your head around this music....where is harmony melody/// the romanze sounds like a dirge

[@user-ci1cb3ds4w]

Sehr guter Anlaβ zum Spott und Lachen.

[@user-jh3ei5vr1n]

啥玩意啊 不懂就说好呗

[@stefanba2029]

Yeah, I thought the same 😀

[@fredericchopin6445]

welcome to contemporary music lol

[@user-kj4pr2jx4g]

有些人的留言真的讓我這麼覺得 沒真懂硬誇

[@paulorobertoleaocoutinho2389]

Vou faltar no português claro.... Isso é uma distrofia musical aguda. Um descaso total com a instrumentação........😨😨😨😨😨😨

[@TheJaoz3]

amigo, vc pode não gostar mas essa é a música atonal contemporânea...

[@azirfsharp9243]

@@TheJaoz3 é horrível portanto, e nem sequer se pode ser chamada musica, chama-se cacofonia

[@sergeyramenskiy2231]

@@TheJaoz3Здесь нет музыки. Даже не заглядывала.

[@ma1ca1]

Bis jetzt hatte ich noch keinen Krebs in meine Ohren, doch nach dieser Musik muss ich mal zum Ohrenarzt. Jörg Widmann sollte lieber bei seine Klarinette bleiben als zu komponieren.

[@peterwhyte317]

That was silly music

[@alexanderguthrie6744]

Do you ever comment anything other than "silly" on contemporary pieces?

[@peterwhyte317]

That's a silly question

[@alexanderguthrie6744]

@@peterwhyte317 Thought not.

[@Manu_Forti1]

​@@alexanderguthrie6744 No he wouldn't. Because stuff like this is silly. There's no other word for it. Creative? Sure. But I think it misses out on the "listening aspect" which is quite important to me. Why does it exist if it makes one cringe or is not pleasing to the ears?

[@xandermark7588]

​@@Manu_Forti1 I mean I get that not everyone will find this an easy listen, as much as I do myself, but different music makes different people cringe, and is pleasing to different people's ears. Why does it exist? Because, presumably, the composer wasn't too bothered about whether it might not be to everyone's taste. In fact I doubt that any artist has ever created something under the impression that everyone is going to like it. Some Beethoven makes me cringe, and I haven't heard any Bartók that's particularly pleasing to my ears, but turns out some people also like those composers, which is fine. 🤷‍♂🙂 Like you're welcome to think it's silly, and there's nothing wrong with finding some music difficult to listen to, I just think it's weird when people talk in absolutes about stuff that's always gonna be down to individual responses. The comments here are a pretty good testament to that.

[@bryangl1]

Consider me old-fashioned but this is an abrogation of music - at least the first five minutes which was long as I was prepared to listen. Sorry - and I have such a very high regard for this orchestra and conductor, having enjoyed some of their other forays into adventurous repertoire, but not this complete negation of music.

[@Freotheric]

If you have such a high regard, etc. perhaps you ought to have stayed and listened for a while. This seems to me a highly accessible, as well as adventurous work.

[@bryangl1]

@@Freotheric Sorry, I tried. And I don't dismiss music on the basis of whether I like it or not. So for me to regard many sections of this as non-music is not because I don't like it but because on examining the structure it is, again for me, just a collection of notes that is often (but not always) offensive to the ear. But, the world of music would be dull indeed if we all shared the same opinion.

[@1xx5ab]

Bryan Leech It's just ironic you called this a complete negation of music but also talk about having different opinions on music

[@bryangl1]

@@1xx5ab Read more carefully, I said "for me"!

[@Manu_Forti1]

Right sir. Negation indeed

[@TheGospelsinger87]

was genau soll das sein? welchen Bezug von Harmonie und Form haben hier die Töne?! Hier wird die gesamte Schöpfungsordnung auf den Kopf gestellt und es beginnt das Chaos. Es tut mir leid, aber das ist keine Musik sondern sinnloser aneinander gereihter Klang.

[@alexanderguthrie6744]

Chaos? Überhaupt nicht. Es ist eigentlich ziemlich straff organisiert, oder besser gesagt etwas konservativ, was Motive und Ideen angeht. Vom Komponist: „Der 1. Satz „Una ricerca" ist eine Suche der Geige nach sich selbst, nach der eigenen Stimme. Eine Suche nach Klängen, Gesten, Gestalten, Zusammenhängen. Das Orchester antwortet nur sporadisch, allerdings mit den Klängen und Figuren, die in den folgenden Sätzen dann bestimmend sein werden. Dieser 1. Satz ist mit ca. 5 Minuten ebenso lang bzw. kurz wie der abschließende 3. Satz „Mobile". Bewegungsmuster der vorangegangenen Sätze werden hier in eine unablässige Hochgeschwindigkeitsbewegung hineinkatapultiert und auf die Spitze getrieben. Der Gestus bleibt aber fast durchgehend leicht. „Den zentralen und mit Abstand umfangreichsten Satz habe ich mit „Romanze“ betitelt. In diesem Satz wird ein weit verzweigter seelischer Kosmos aufgespannt, es ist eine Reise ins Innere. Unterschiedlichste emotionale Zonen werden durchquert, Liedhaftes, Zartes steht neben Geräuschhaftem und bruitistischem Ausbruch. Aber immer bleibt die Geige die Erzählerin. „Kompositorisch ist es über alle drei Sätze hinweg ein permanentes spielerisches Variieren eines trotz Klang- und Farbvielfalt im Grunde streng limitierten Tonmaterials und Gestenvokabulars. Die Erfindung selbst, die Klangfarben, die Harmonik: Das war für mich, seit ich musikalisch denken kann, schon immer wichtig. Aber der Fokus auf Reduktion und Form ist neu. Er wäre ohne meine zweite Auseinandersetzung mit der Gattung Violinkonzert bei mir wohl so nicht entstanden."

[@musik350]

@@alexanderguthrie6744 Nun bin ich selbst durchaus ein Freund der zeitgenössischen Musik. Aber ist es nicht zumindest etwas bedenklich, dass man mittlerweile kein Stück mehr schreiben kann, ohne einen eigenen interpretatorischen Essay zu verfassen, der die eigenen Gedanken erläutert? Kann man denn bei einer absichtlich, derart undurchsichtigen Kunst wirklich Verständnis vom Zuhörer verlangen?

[@xandermark7588]

​@@musik350 Vielleicht war meine Antwort ziemlich reduktiv - ich meinte gar nicht, dass man erwarten sollte, dass alle Zuhörer so ein Stück mit oder ohne Begleittext verstehen; ich wollte die Annahme nur herausfordern, dass es hier keinen Sinn, keine Ordnung, und besonders keine Musik gibt. Was Widmann von der Beziehung zwischen Kunst und Publikum hält, weiß ich gar nicht - persönlich habe ich nichts dagegen, wenn verschiedene Zuhörer verschiedene Verständnisse vom selben Stück bekommen, auch wenn so ein Verständnis vielleicht mit der Absicht des Komponisten unvereinbar ist. Mein Streit hier ist nur mit der Vorstellung, dass so ein Stück ganz ohne Bedenken entsteht.

[@sergeyramenskiy2231]

Полная профанация. Для сумасшедшего дома в аду самое то.

[@Trombonist_Georgiy_Bach]

Все же найдутся те, кому это нравится.

[@user-kj4pr2jx4g]

That’s sad

[@paulb9842]

Warum wird immer noch diese randomisierte tongemisch geschrieben? Schaut euch Alma deutscher an. Man kann auch Schönheit in Töne fassen. Selbst im 21. Jahrhundert ist es erlaubt...

[@paulb9842]

Wer würde beim Waldspaziergang oder beim Schlafen legen seines Kindes eine Melodie hiervon Summen? Echt traurig und schade ob der verpulverten Kraft soetwas zu schreiben geschweige den zu proben und aufzuführen...