WILD ENDING Celtics vs Lakers 2008 NBA Finals 🔥🏆

[@johnlinks]

One of the greatest comebacks ever. I remember this game I was clapping so hard for the Celtics coming back to win

[@Alison-mb3kb]

🤗🤗

[@quentinparhiala9415]

agreed

[@mouseraisin3486]

Clapping dem cheeks

[@jwalls1223]

CELTICS TRASH.. GO LAKERS !!!! KOBE 🐐

[@SuperMuncher47]

​@@jwalls1223kobe choked this game

[@wilderac2250]

“No team has ever come back from a 3-1 lead in the finals” Wait 8 years Mike Breen

[@k13384]

🙂

[@ajajala5081]

Wait 8 years for a bogus suspension

[@overrativeness]

@@ajajala5081 now say that without crying

[@TheNFLPick6]

@@ajajala5081 it’s not anyone fault but draymond for getting to many fragrant foul points which lead to his suspension. Learn the rules before you cry

[@nolansofie9975]

@@ajajala5081 What about the games the warriors lost before Draymond got suspended??

[@joshuasorneo]

Anyone here after Boston Celtics won their 18th Banner! Can't believe it's been 16 years. Congratulations Boston Celtics 2023-24 NBA Champions.

[@hooting4401]

Yeeeeeeep

[@ethandarby9787]

Yeeeeeep

[@MG-ih6po]

It's so weird not seeing 3 pointers every possession. Miss this basketball.

[@slamdunk2270]

It might not have been peak basketball (for the hell o know) but it was peak entertainment for the NBA.

[@Hitta_rell]

Shut up got damn sound like a women just wanted to complain shit doesn’t stay the same gay ass complaining

[@temiadeyinka3675]

@@slamdunk2270this is peak basketball it was a more balanced game defense low scoring instead just teams shooting 40 threes a game

[@kuunami]

Amen to that. Today's basketball is one dimensional.

[@dulogmaz]

I think right now the NBA looks better than it did 5-6 years ago. Also watching my fav player chuck tough midrange after tough midrange was not really that fun ngl

[@J-CARPG]

One of my favourite NBA comebacks. James Posey and Eddie House hitting BIG shots and I vividly remember there being an insane slomo of this layup 4:56

[@quentinparhiala9415]

me to

[@DJohnN]

There is a much better floor angle of it. Such a great move, perfect timing and spin and fit it into a tight window. I think where I remember seeing the better angle was the Celtics championship documentary from that year

[@isabelchapoco2332]

Boston CELTICS 97 vs 91 Los Angeles LAKERS

[@lightningjimmyjoejohnson8499]

This Celtics team will always hold a special place in my heart. They were the team that got me into basketball.

[@mixbassdj]

hahahahahahha low standards

[@DLL8252]

@@mixbassdj Ikr, probably a millennial

[@derekjones5234]

Awesome bro that was a special team. Go celts this year too.

[@rudyaguado16]

Yeah, it's all you will ever refer to as a fan. Keep milking the shit out of that 2008 championship

[@DefinitelyNotZixie]

@@DLL8252 Ok boomer Lmao

[@eagles4lifePHILLY]

Still remember this like it was yesterday. Awesome comeback. The Truth and Kobe went back and forth. Pierce had the best footwork in the NBA. Great team in 2008. As soon as they traded for KG and Ray, I knew it was a special year 🍀🍀🏆 this year definitely feeling that same energy

[@sandromartinez9570]

Kobe had the edge with foot work

[@derekjones5234]

Yes sir a special team this year we gotta beat the seasoned championship ballers but we will. Go celts

[@indigolee2790]

Did they win? Did they win?

[@Pocket_Jake]

@@indigolee2790 yeah?

[@chris_p_bacon886]

Pierce had the best foot work lol come on

[@eospogito8388]

I was at a weeklong sleep-in basketball camp during this series, and that was a great place to be for an event like this. As a Texas kid, i didnt care about the teams, or even their history together at the time, but can still remember watching the games with that crowd of players and having some fun nights.

[@KingCole34]

Who’s here after Celtics in 2024

[@jaimeursua1574]

Me, celtics 2024 bubble championshop

[@dougsman9225]

Absolutely 💯 Celtics nation!!!!

[@Ercxgamez]

🗣️WE DID IT!!!!!😂😂😂😂

[@MochaDaisy8645]

Yes, sir! Not a Celtics fan but I enjoyed watching Brown and Tatum light it up. I especially enjoyed the half court shots by Pritchard right at the halftime buzzer! Was I cheering for them in ‘08 and 2010? Hell yes, I was! I can’t stand the Lakers

[@ViperOfMino]

ME

[@gor9027]

One of the most heartbreaking Lakers playoff losses ever.

[@fishifyjenkins1379]

Not heartbreaking. Its absolutely amazing

[@Zoro-ec1dd]

@@fishifyjenkins1379 for non laker fans that is

[@ChiefBlue4298]

@@Zoro-ec1dd exactly

[@ChiefBlue4298]

Not as bad as blowing a 3-1 lead to the Suns in 2006

[@skatem_2e]

Yeah this would’ve gave Kobe his 5th ring on to his 6th but we just had a super team fr and Doc was an AMAZING coach at the time

[@Mitch_Feral]

Pierce drive at 1:05 is one of my favorite plays in NBA history. Ludicrous to take on 3 defenders in the teeth, but does it, ensures the foul, then finesses the ball in for 2...Truth was ruthless.

[@somerandomguy84]

How did Doc go from a guy leading comebacks to blowing leads lol

[@King_Mac80]

He's got some mentally weak players. Paul, KG, and Rondo didn't play that shit. Whereas dudes like PG, CP3, and Ben Simmons continously fold under pressure

[@VincentVincent_89]

He had 4 HOFs, one of which was the DPOY and that team won 67 wins they also had Sam Cassel and a young Tony Allen along with a bunch of vets who knew they wanted to win

[@somerandomguy84]

@@VincentVincent_89 Yep. Also he nearly blew a 24 point lead with 7 minutes in game 2.

[@VincentVincent_89]

@@somerandomguy84 that series was much closer then people remembered, the lakers couldn’t close it and it was a really physical game in the paint with KG feasting on Paul

[@fullmetalgamer6062]

@@RiruKrypto_ Right. Lol. What's funny is the Celtics had the best winning record on the road in the regular season, but only won 3 road games throughout their playoff run. They should be grateful they didn't choke at home.

[@lyrikalinyoswiminpoo]

This is my favorite championship team of all time; the 2008 Boston Celtics. I followed that team from the big 3 trade in the summer through every single game of the season and the title. I became a true basketball fan that season. 🏀🙏🏾💪🏾

[@DanFernandesBenficaSaint]

Me too brother. I can relate to everything you said.

[@Haidamike]

Me to brother till this day! Go Celtics! Celtics beating Mavs in 6!

[@masch_123]

@@Haidamike ill go one step further and say celtics are winning in 4

[@caseyweeks7915]

same, me and my best friend in high school saw it happen and followed after many years of #34 only having ricky davis

[@cristianobiond1081]

Eu também!

[@ked4]

This Finals is what got me really interested in the Celtics and basketball in general.

[@stephyfra1243]

Me too.

[@cristianramirez1612]

Same here I’ve been riding with the Celtics ever since.

[@ked4]

@@cristianramirez1612 I, too, am no stranger to disappointment.

[@elijah.j3288]

What a game, What a series….. Great win

[@dentonyoung4314]

I'd forgotten that the big comeback was pretty much complete by the end of the 3rd. The 4th quarter was a seesaw battle between two stacked teams with great players and both teams had effective role players as well.

[@enthused7591]

"And no team has ever come back from being down 3-1 in NBA Finals hstory" Oof lol

[@FakeGenZlegitMillennials]

Lebron James:

[@VincentVincent_89]

Yeah back in the day of course no team has ever done that and whoever would would propel them to GOAT status

[@tigertank06]

@Ronald Smith You mean Lebaby? Lol.

[@Rated_RMN]

@@tigertank06 Yep LeBron James.

[@jakemask5robloxmoments]

cavs: 👁️👄👁️

[@SCsc864]

I remember going to sleep thinking it was over and coming in to work thinking the Lakers won..we know the rest

[@jimmyshortstack]

Were you glad the Celtics won or were you rooting for lakers

[@joaquinkeingeski180]

people dont remember that posey was the 6th man of 06 heat and 08 celtics, booth champions

[@madcreator1111]

It’s a shame with the big 3 Celtics they only won 1 ring. They were fun to watch for sure. Unfortunately Ray Allen departed to Miami. Many underestimate Pierce he’s got a good shot and smart player. I remember meeting Pierce in Vegas that summer before they got KG and Allen.

[@jioreyes5838]

Pierce is a top 25 scorer all time

[@ehrenmann1546]

Lazy big 3 Kobe makes more hardworking then whole boston together

[@onlinegremlin29]

Incredible game, legacy defining. A hood and hardwood classic.

[@DanielOConnor-ch1jz]

Back in the '2-3-2' format for home games - love it!

[@joondagoon6774]

I thought they only did that when the teams are far away from each other I never realized till now

[@RedE4NBA2K]

These type of comebacks were not normal before the 3pt happy pace and space era. It hurts that this should have been a tie series instead of a 3-1 lead for Boston. Anything can happen in a 3 game series.

[@majmundeva]

You mean, when curry and klay and gsw revolutionized basketball? Happy pace would obliterate any team in that era

[@jasonmoukala8909]

@@majmundeva don’t talk basketball

[@majmundeva]

@@jasonmoukala8909 curry 2016 season> everyone

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

@@majmundeva no, because in that happy pace era that curry and klay revolutionized, what enabled them to capitalize off of it, is the NBA telling the refs not to call illegal screens, carries, and travels anymore, and you can even easily notice the detail, so open even steve urkel can see it, ever since stern stepped down, Mr. Adam Silvers, who said he wanted to make offense more entertaining, enabled broken rules for offenses to do what they want, warriors aren't doing anything, they would be like 2014 again if refs called illegal screens, travels, and carries

[@gamertag5030]

@@majmundeva Curry

[@knockout9446]

Man, back when the NBA was a solid product. RIP, NBA.

[@MattyP_60321]

The players on both sides of the court , Celtics and lakers …. chip on the line .. god damn seeing these guys on the court especially starting line ups head to head , the 2 head coaches .. iconic to say the least

[@Bretde1]

Eddie House is still to this day one of my all time favorite Celtics. He's one of those guys who you just absolutely hate if he's not on your team

[@stefanoroberti]

The court, the jerseys, the defense, the players. Amazing!

[@tylerensminger]

Iconic rivalry that I hope we see again in a finals soon

[@hatdoggamerphillipines9741]

Have potential this year

[@PeaceUpH-Town]

@@hatdoggamerphillipines9741 not anymore lol. LAKERS CHOKE!

[@YMx1212]

@@PeaceUpH-Town Heat will win too

[@nonameselected7250]

@@PeaceUpH-Town that lakers team was put together right before the finals and they made it all the way to the CF. Give ‘em time lol

[@MegrelMamba]

Nuggets 🏆

[@untilthewheelsfalloff1751]

End of an era back when it was still sport and not fixed entertainment.

[@JGBBYorJosiahGamez]

Ray Allen and Paul pierce are mostly known for their scoring and shooting abilities but I think they were very underrated ball handlers and playmakers in this series 🤔

[@theonlygoodonehere2259]

and they had good defense

[@keeqen]

We needed this energy tonight.

[@marioameno2220]

16 years later on the same date we do it again that’s what brought me here

[@achimwitcoustic9585]

Pierce, KG, Allen- great team

[@arikejoja9461]

This is one of the greatest comebacks ever

[@Changgcrystal]

James Posey is on Fire 🔥

[@ericradford2142]

2008: Gas prices were over $4/gallon, housing market was about to burst, the country was about to go into a recession. At least the Celtics and Lakers gave us something to cheer about before the storm.

[@Tremonti4ever]

Yep and we are 16 years later and look at things. We’re essentially in YET ANOTHER RECESSION UNDER COMMUNIST/LEFTIST “LEADERSHIP” (I use that term loosely) in fact it’s THE EXACT SAME COMMIES RUNNING THE SHOW WHO WERE RUNNING IT BACK IN 2008 (Jorrack Obiden because we know Beijing biden isn’t running anything right now…) What sucks is now on top of all that we also have the added problem of RACISM and NOWHERE IS THAT MORE EVIDENT THEN IN THE NBA!! The OPEN AND BLATANT RACISM AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE ESPECIALLY FROM PRO SPORTS (mainly the NBA, NFL AND MLB) IS DISGUSTING!! When I say Racism against White people, I’m referring to THE LEAGUES TREATMENT OF IT CUSTOMERS/FANS!! I could go on and on about it because as a nearly 40 year old fully disabled combat veteran and someone who’s biggest passion outside of women and my love of this country WAS sports, having grown up in Boston (our house was less than 6 miles from Fenway Park) sports was a part of my DNA. Nowadays THE ONLY LEAGUE I STILL SUPPORT IS THE NHL because they’re the ONLY ONE who hasn’t shoved their COMMUNIST/ANTI WHITE AGENDA DOWN OUR THROATS!! If they do start doing that, I’ll DUMP THEM TOO!! I’ll always have these old videos to look back on when I’m in the mood to watch something sports related.

[@wsgwayne]

7:55 Man you just gotta love lebron🤷‍♂️

[@ehrenmann1546]

Kobe 1 Year later what a mindset monster🥶🥶🥶

[@recap4371]

Miss not hearing a whistle every 30 seconds

[@bobbyviensjr8991]

Garnett did you get my picture The Feds must’ve kept it

[@AninoNiKugi]

The bench players were my favorite in this Boston team :) James Posey, Eddie House, Big Baby, PJ Brown, Leon Powe (who my brother and I call Leon Foul because he always gets foul XD)

[@dentonyoung4314]

Leon Powe was always one of my favorite players. Like me, he grew up in Oakland and then attended Cal.

[@ezza1236]

I wish we could go back to 2008 , fuck times are so bad now

[@kingpin22s]

As a Celtics fan, I appreciate this video.

[@Pricidus]

Bringing back such great memories 🥲

[@kyleaustin5859]

I remember being at this game and was such a historic and special game…yet all I could think about was PJ brown dunking on Kobe

[@gpsingh7703]

As a Lakers fan I can’t help but wonder what could’ve been if they hadn’t blown that lead and the series would be tied at 2

[@fishifyjenkins1379]

Lakers would of lost. Celtics would of won in 2010 if Kendrick wasnt injured. Also won in 2009 if KG never got injured

[@gpsingh7703]

@@fishifyjenkins1379 Perkins isn’t really an excuse. They had a 3-2 lead and a 13 point lead in Game 7 and blew it

[@fishifyjenkins1379]

@@gpsingh7703 I'm saying that Pau really saved Kobe in game 7. If Perkins was playing he could of at least stopped Pau and Kobe cant win by himself.

[@kingdinodragonite3470]

@@gpsingh7703 you mean the refs giving the Lakers 20 free throws in the 4th quarter alone (4 of those fouls were BS because it’s no contact, Lakers should have gotten 10 maximum) and the Celtics only got 3 free throws? Tell me you’re a casual without telling me you’re a casual.

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

@@kingdinodragonite3470 Casual. Man STFU. The CeltiKKKs lost. You jagoffs are the worst. Better team won. Just like they did in 2008. You slur saying racists can't give anyone credit.

[@benzobanks1916]

Back when they still played real basketball instead of shooting a three every time

[@kjthomas4553]

Facts hardcore basketball

[@deezyotta]

June 17, 2008: *Celtics win finals* June 17, 2024: *Celtics win finals*

[@holajovito6632]

Man this brought back so many memories

[@lovetownsend]

This is not even that long ago and the game is played so different now. Steph Curry really changed the game.

[@wyattarp1975]

Yeah he ruined it with his ugly ass pube beard and fucked yo teeth.

[@jamesssdasds]

Send these to the Warriors fans who thought Paul Pierce was not a good player Lmao

[@willpalmer6107]

I was just a baby when they won in 2008 let’s get 18th banner

[@MusicIsLife-nv2sg]

James Posey is so underrated 💪

[@JayBlastGaming]

I was thinking the same thing

[@bakuvian]

It was a great game. Celtics had a fantastic team. It was clear that Kobe needed more support to beat these Celtics. Btw in Jordan era no team had 3 great players. All teams had 2.

[@dk1069]

Lmao that 08 lakers were stacked 😂

[@Myblacknadz]

@@dk1069 another delusional fan. if that lakers team was "stacked" what does it say about these celtics, the durant warriors, heat with bron/wade/bosh/allen.

[@jalenwilliams6502]

@@dk1069 your another dummy that doesn’t watch basketball and don’t no history no one on at that ‘08 team averaged over 17 ppg for their careers not to mention two starters in Bynum and Ariza were missing Kobe would’ve torched them with Bynum and Ariza silly

[@Mitch_Feral]

Uh. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, what are you talking about?

[@sakdavid]

@@Mitch_Feral Yeah, two guys that averaged 25ppg between them lol

[@MindfulAttraction2.0]

6:20 van gundi being ahead of his time lol

[@bitw434]

I wish nba finals felt as big time as this one again

[@donali9020]

Back when players were actually allowed to Play Defense

[@johnpestano22]

the Cavs did they were the first team to come back after being down 3-1 to GS. these finals were good i was happy for the big 3 to get their first ring together. Boston had a great season that first year together it's always challenging but they got it done.

[@gijaleel]

Ray was "cooking" these dudes.

[@CJMacN1990]

broke 💔 my heart we were up 24 and gave it away my poor lakers 😭😢😥😡

[@Joãozinhobanks]

5:52 Phil Jackson you put Vladimir Radmanovic in the finals in a close game he missed his defensive assignment on Posey smh

[@iRepuLse]

Eddie House and James Posey played amazing, forgot how quick little eddie house was. And Lakers really underestimated Ray Allen's ability to drive to the rim.

[@ftmvooardillafoucault6168]

The curse of this game made Doc turning from the giver to the biggest recipient of the opponent comeback... Not just in history of basketball.. But in history of history

[@Chitown1312]

47-21 run. Jeez. That Celtics D was no joke

[@dannycooper1245]

This was basically game 7. That was the feeling that I had when I watched this game. If the Lakers win this game, it’s tied 2-2 and they go up 3-2 and the outcome of game 6 is completely different and the Lakers likely win game 6. Or at the very least win game 7. If the Celtics win, they are up 3-1 and have 3 chances to finish it.

[@qman66]

No, Celtics still would've won this series. I love how you just assume they win game 4 and 6

[@dannycooper1245]

@@qman66 Right?? The Celtics were one of the best offensive and defensive teams ever that season. I would put that Celtics team against most teams historically. Even the Bulls teams. They had talent and an all time great defense. One major reason why they were better than other teams was because they had great balance. Their 3 best players all played different positions. Also they had a true point guard with Rondo. Perkins was a very reliable center for them as well. If they got together when they were younger they would have won many championships.

[@80srocknroller]

That 2008 NBA Finals was awesome and it was Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce's only NBA title together!

[@chinonsoelegonye2093]

They got lucky

[@mmmcertified9877]

Just hope the Celts can win the chip this year so I can relive the feeling of seeing them win in 08 my first time ever watching basketball 🍀🍀 & in 24 they finished the Job 🥹🍀🔥

[@thorgardhaugen2193]

Different times back then, far better too

[@estebargus83]

@@thorgardhaugen2193 celtics and warriors is a coin flip series...i expect it to go 7 games though

[@Superboi100]

update: they didnt

[@Lilflo334]

Mann I was 11 years old, we put in work that whole year (66-16)☘️☘️☘️ this was the best team to ever do it

[@thekexrm9797]

by far my favorite celtics team in history only cuz i was born in 08 and i love how eveqryone said kg was a bad trade and he was washed and old yet he was scoring and was the best team in the nba for 08

[@vincentforonda7381]

love those baggy shorts so back then comfortable..hope it comeback.

[@cClayyyyy]

Classic nba were the best

[@Thiagooo332]

i think game 4 is one of the most (if not the most) important game of the serie. if you are down 3-0, its the game that will keep you survive. if you are down 2-1, its the game that will put you in a 3-1 situation or 2-2. (same goes on the other hand, if youre leading)

[@forestlink6673]

Posey so underrated, every team need a player like him

[@TheJoelProctor]

So glad the NBA puts the final score in the thumbnail so I know how the game ends without watching it…

[@dw4867]

This game is 16 years old Bubba, if you don't know how it ended that's on you...

[@killerecho]

James Posey 3 and D game was huge for them in the series. Losing some of these role players while KG slowed down was a big reason they couldn't repeat in 2010.

[@roykeane1922]

If Kobe had a finals game like this in the current social media/media age…lord have mercy

[@lkrsgng95]

What you mean ?

[@lisandromariani7907]

@@lkrsgng95 Pure slander

[@lkrsgng95]

@@lisandromariani7907 slander would not affect the mamba anyway. 5-2 in the Finals with one of the best Playoff runs ever in 2009 says it for itself 🤙🏽

[@lisandromariani7907]

@@lkrsgng95 but his final record in playoffs doesn't matter in this question man. I know the type player kobe was and nobody is discussing that, but in 2008 he was 3-1 (with the bs conclusions that 3 of those were carried by shaq), lost to the pistons the last finals played and several playoffs eliminations...and now these series, he surely would have been obliterated by media. I mean lebron, who is if not the best or second best of all time, got that treatment...

[@JohnnyCash-wr5zl]

The greatest club in basketball history!

[@jeffreywilliams8499]

15 years has passed when I was a teenager watching Boston Celtics versus Los Angeles Lakers on the NBA

[@theofficialgreenkane]

I miss the 2000's era of NBA so much- 10. Tracy McGrady (Magic/Rockets) 9. Vince Carter (Raptors) 8. Paul Pierce (Celtics) 7. Kevin Garnett (Twolves/Celtics) 6. Allen Iverson (76ers) 5. Carmelo Anthony (Nuggets) 4. Dirk Nowitzki (Mavs) 3. Shaquille O'Neal (Lakers/Heat) 2. Tim Duncan (Spurs) 1. Kobe Bryant (Lakers)

[@whosieJLL]

lebron played with them and only lebron is still relevant til these days

[@applycontext9161]

You forgot wade and bron

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Where’s wade and bron

[@cedricasdfghjkl9151]

Ray the legend 🔥

[@tonyjames9416]

Blew a 20 point lead.

[@FavreianVengeance]

6:52 Ray Allen straight up dribbled for the entire 24 second clock. He knew well in advance that he was going to take Vujacic to the hole to seal this pivotal game.

[@VultureHipHop]

Anyone here after the 2024 finals ????

[@59ersfootball]

No

[@hooting4401]

Yeeeep

[@svnami_1041]

1:10 damn tht mightve been the toughest and one layup ive ever seen

[@rayzorp8368]

Eddie house was a beast

[@cjay6664]

This was my favorite boston team and 2008 was the best year ever

[@jimmyrustled2493]

0:54 Kareem knew

[@brandonvise8879]

Everyone rembers the big 3 and Rondo, and big baby. But the rando roll players were really good for the Celtics during this run. House, Posey, Powe. Give them a little shine.

[@CozyHumanoid]

Seeing veterans make up the rest of the roster of the celtics and lakers feels like what Jabari said was right the NBA has changed.

[@wade_says]

What a Celtics comeback

[@06mrselfdestruct]

This type of ball was grittier, now it’s a lot more clean and crisp with 3’s every other shot

[@LilRaptor_Jay]

Blowing a 20 pt lead in a game at home in the finals must be depressing 😭😭

[@osazuwaogbeide1540]

back when they put the trophy on the court and the finals logo. i wonder why they stoped it. since then nba hasnt been the same

[@applycontext9161]

I think player’s complained about it being slippery

[@chisox0709]

Posey and House are what Pritchard and Hauser need to be for this years Celtics off the bench…so far not too good hoping this ages well… (Time of comment prior to game 2 ECF against Indiana) LOL

[@kkorneezy]

ANYTHING’S POSSIBLE!!!! But lakers fought well

[@sdwhitesox8039]

This brand of basketball was so much better than the shit we just witnessed in 2022

[@brandonmcfarland5200]

This Happens When I Was 15 Years Old Between The 9th Grade And The 10th Grade When The Celtics Suddenly Race 🏎 All The Way Back 🔙 Man I Thought The Lakers Was Going To Win That Game To Make A Good Home Playoffs So Perfect But They Making A Meltdown Purposely Oooohhhh Maaannn!!

[@skyfall9549]

Hopefully it will be the Celtic vs lakers this year final

[@rodrigo_oliveira94]

WHAT A COMEBACK!

[@patsfreak]

The 2000s was the sweet spot to be a Boston sports fan. I can understand why everyone thinks we’re insufferable