Wild Honda V3 Concept Revealed With Electric Compressor

[@coolhandpuke3780]

That’s very interesting. It’s about time Honda flexed their capabilities again.

[@kasper-jw2441]

what capablilities. they never made something for them selfs. nothing new under the sun. seriously, a electrical driven compressor? who cares?

[@eleiaandsteven]

This is engineering I appreciate.

[@visordown]

It’s trick looking up close too.

[@satyex]

Honda is back ladies and gentlemen!

[@visordown]

Well, it will be if it makes it to production - they have said it will…

[@Redmongoose-rdm]

Are they actually going to make it, or playing games with us. Just like the 2&4

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Not even close to what it was in the 1980's. If people only understood how held back these scam government regulators have kept the planet. They don't regulate health and well-being, they regulate human power to keep populations suppressed and under (their) control.

[@hisride]

Minoru Kato, GM of Honda motorcycles is very passionate about this project, and I think Honda are gonna push for this to enter production. Kato himself said that it would be put in a "flagship" model so I don't think its gonna be watered down much. Really exciting to see Honda step back into their radical 90s shoes

[@Erictheha1fabee]

A new VFR please HONDA.

[@BodybuildingSteve]

Could be a great fit, v4 + single swingarm are expensive as balls to make this could be a good middle ground, prob get all the old vfr owners crying its not a v4 though

[@d4dens743]

VF3R - 900 cc !!!!!!

[@jonnybegood4848]

Would love that too in 900 - 1,000cc and lighter than last VFR.

[@montypythonish]

Hi buddy. It couldn't be a VFR as that stands for ' V Four Racing' which is what the engine was originally designed for. It could be a VTR. That could be interesting. Qualifications VFR1200X rider.

[@Erictheha1fabee]

@@montypythonish agree but are Honda pushing V3 configurations or checking acceptance of compressors? I’d love a 750 V4 with an electronic supercharger and chain final drive. Normal swing arm would be fine as I had an ‘87 bike and loved it.

[@satyex]

Imagine a radical new Fireblade with light and narrow engine!

[@visordown]

It’s a tasty thought!

[@mr.j9749]

If they can make a V5 when the whole world said it was impossible - honda proved everyone wrong, won world championships with it, now a V3 gonna be a walk in the park. I'm excited already.

[@cookinsdabest]

Honda found a use for the empty space behind the modern parallel twin engines... Genius.

[@hisride]

😂

[@anrods]

Finally Honda's engineers are waking up.👍

[@ThreeB78]

I remember the scammy electric turbos from years ago, always wondered if it could be done properly

[@hectoraccented5312]

Some new motors have them, in cars. They just need a lot of electrical power to run (more than a common car motor/alternator/battery is designed to produce)

[@haico1992]

​@@hectoraccented5312 now instead of of constantly run at high rpm, it only need to run harder at a bleep of hand at low rpm. Or whenever the engineer want it to be, it electronic, not turbo.

[@paradiselost9946]

no. it only takes primary school level maths to figure out that most of the bike will be occupied by generator, cooling system, and battery pack, for a few measly kw or extra power at the crank. basic rule of thumb, to make an extra hp on a supercharged engine, requires it develop 2hp... 1hp required to drive the supercharger itself. thats belt driven, almost no losses... it takes power to compress air. 1hp is 0.75KW. assume a 10kw gain at the crank... going to need at least 15kw electric motor, compressor inefficiencies, blah blah. that will draw at least 20kw of electrical power. assume 48V system, thats well over 300A. that will produce, roughly 10kw of heat in the windings alone. simple ohms law. to draw 300A at 48v requires an ohmic resistance of 0.16R. that resistance flowing 300A will generate 9kw of heat... basic maths. then the generator will also be delivering 300A, and have the same sort of heat developed. ignore various losses, give it the benefit of the doubt, and its still going to be something like 50kw of shaft power required to drive the generator to produce... a mere 10kw of extra power. a honda 110 "step through" of extra power... woopee. big deal. electric motors are simple... until you try to design one to meet certain very demanding parameters. magnetic flux density, reluctance of the magnetic path. cooling. winding resistances. physics has this habit of getting in the way... its only a 3d render for a reason. not surprisingly, the "artists concept" doesnt appear to include generator, or battery pack, or cooling system... if soichiro was alive still, this wouldnt have even made it past a conversation over lunch, let alone being drawn... or presented to the public as an actual concept. he would be firing people instead and looking for a team of engineers that actually have some intelligence. then honda may once again be the dominant force, the market leaders in bikes... this is the sort of mindless circle jerking one has come to expect from "modern engineers" unfortunately.

[@centurion2385]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@paradiselost9946can you explain why it would take 15kW of electric motor power to compress the same amount of air that a 1kW crank drive supercharger would? I’m skeptical about the use of electric compressors but i think your numbers you chose are a bit outrageous. Electric motors are incredibly efficient, many more times so than an internal combustion engine.

[@ApexRadius]

I was talking with a friend a couple of weeks ago and speculated that Honda could shake up the middleweight sport segment with a V-3, since that layout is in their racing heritage. And now this comes along. I just love this concept. I'd be happy to see a sporty V-3 production bike, even without the forced induction (but that could be really cool). Go, Honda.

[@JDelta87]

This is way more than a concept for them behind the scenes. Looking forward to seeing what bike of theirs debuts with this.

[@tripleGmoto]

This would be absolutely game changing new territory. I would love to see Honda push the envelope again.

[@BIGGIEsmalls13]

Actually dear Honda can we have a super lightweight 600 ish sports bike around 170kg wet, 130hp at back wheel and no rider aids, just great manual suspension and brembos.......thaaaaaanks!

[@carlosandleon]

Rider aids are mandatory

[@visordown]

CBR600RR with some work…?

[@dcd5050]

Just buy an old bike

[@diamondmidnightgardener]

I was wondering who stole my wife's hairdryer.

[@mikebikekite1]

You mentioned that the NC750 is boring but that bike is far more relevant to my needs (and wants) than a 215HP sports bike or a £17K adventure bike.

[@jimporter]

But could you imagine this strapped to the improved design of NC engine they patented in 2020 and giving just that bit more power that folk are always complaining about. They could make a wonderful tourer.

[@mikebikekite1]

@@jimporter The seat on my 2017 model is a little uncomfortable for long distance touring. I have to stop after 2 hours continuous riding but in all other aspects it's pretty decent tourer especially if you just add a top box on the back. With it's great MPG you get a decent range of 220 miles. The other great thing about it is you never have to worry about a breakdown. It's also quite a lot cheaper than a BMW GS ;)

[@The.JZA.]

There’s nowhere on the clutch cover for the cable to connect in. Maybe this will have e-clutch and no manual clutch? I really hope that they make this a 650cc class motorcycle and with the forced induction it will be as powerful as say a 900cc motorcycle but lighter and more nimble. I’ve got a CB650R and I would love to see a naked sports bike with this engine and all the bells and whistles (put cruise control on it Honda stop messing around). I will be super keen to get one when I’m finally ready to upgrade.

[@SurajSinghTomarArya]

This could be next big thing

[@dougiequick1]

I always wondered about charging the airbox! Todays hand dryers in restrooms are INSANE! LOL a 12volt version blowing air through a motorcycle motor? Why not? I imagine it will make some noise like a little jet engine!

[@SlimScheibe]

Honda could really use a halo bike in their lineup to get them back in the mix. It's not just about the bike itself, it's the brand effect that comes with producing one.

[@rosstinelli]

Honda finally being Honda !

[@romanroad483]

I own a v2 and a v4 motorcycle. To complete the set I need a v3 and a v1. This Honda solves the former but v1's are very uncommon. I was told that a German company made v1's in the 1940's, most of which were sent to the U.K ,but have been unable to track one down.

[@joker-bc4cv]

V1?tf?

[@ApexRadius]

I'd stay away from those old V1s. I understand they had a disturbing propensity to explode.

[@mikehawk6918]

V1s were pulsejets. Very loud, but they'd get you going fast. Loud jets save lives. Or so I've heard.

[@joker-bc4cv]

@@mikehawk6918 how do you put a single cylinder in a v configuration.that makes no sense.

[@ApexRadius]

​@@joker-bc4cvPut "German V1" in a search engine, then come back.

[@redsv1000]

Any idea on the displacement? Would be cool even without the turbo.

[@KrikkitWarlord]

Quite a few suggestions that V3 may be the new MotoGP format when they go to 850cc as well, which would make sense here to link to the GP sportyness and something very interesting.

[@totzinfo]

but electric compressor is illegal in MotoGP

[@KrikkitWarlord]

@@totzinfo of course it won't run in GP, but it's useful tech for the road. 850cc limit for the new GP engines pushes a 3-pot back into the fore, with the firing order and packaging requirements a V3 makes the most sense.

[@andrewschmier6749]

I thought the new rules still required 4 cylinders?

[@urbanstrencan]

Honda engineering at its best 😊❤❤

[@garyknoetze]

All that talk about packaging, but no one's saying where they'll put the massive, heavy 48V battery needed to drive that electric turbo.

[@Mark-wl3en]

Brushless motor. Standard battery will be just fine

[@BIGGIEsmalls13]

My 54v dewalt circular saw batteries are compact. Look at Stihl power tools etc.

[@andykharchenko9488]

22.2v more than enough

[@garyknoetze]

@@BIGGIEsmalls13 a dewalt drill spins at 2000rpm. a turbo needs to spins at between 80 000 to 200 000rpm. They're not comparable.

[@mikehawk6918]

@@garyknoetze A supercharger fan is also much lighter than a saw.

[@donaldhipple4921]

Any guess at displacement? Could have lightened up the pictures.

[@Surestick88]

The really interesting thing here is that boost, and therefore engine torque, can be controlled, within reason, independently of rpm. That means the power curve of the engine could be controlled almost at will by the manufacturer. Different ride modes could be completely different. Unfortunately this probably means huge flat spots here and there for noise and emissions purposes but, hey, that'll keep tuners in business. Some technical inaccuracies at the beginning of this video. 1- It's not a turbo, it's a supercharger. 2- Turbos need time/revs to spool, superchargers do not, though engine driven centrifugal compressor style supercharers like this one do need revs to start producing boost.

[@RikkyTang]

Cheers Toad! It's the Honda MOTOR company doing what they do best. Also, imagine a large capacity parallel twin with the compressor and plenum where that rear cylinder is - that would be even more compact and get the COG lower!

[@ApexRadius]

Honda's first two-stroke 500cc Grand Prix bike, the 1982-83 NS500 , was also a V-3.

[@Area61Command]

I wonder if this is remotely related to the 800cc limit for MotoGP 2027, which as far as I know would be naturally aspirated, but the V3 engine architecture, perhaps?

[@ApexRadius]

@Area61Command (*850cc in 2027 MotoGP) It's possible, although a production engine would share almost nothing with the MGP project except very broad strokes. I don't know the details of the new rules yet, so I'm not sure if triples have any exploitable advantages under that rule set, but it would be cool to see some, right?

[@joshuaanothereraseddad]

Fascinating concept as it stands now, but I'm more curious about corner feel due to the frame design. It'll be intriguing to see where Honda takes this. Thanks for the vid.

[@LowQualityPigeon]

Tbis is what honda is about. I think they have been lost for few years when it came to developing and innovating something drastically new. This could be a game changer for forces insuction technology and in terms of engine layout as well its something uniqure. Let's see what Honda comes up with.

[@kenhoward3512]

I prefer 3-cylinders to four for a street bike, whether it's a 'V' or inline. A 'V' configuration is more expensive to produce than an inline engine, so that part seems questionable for Honda, but the electrically-driven boost is a nice feature.

[@roynaba7669]

honda is one of the pinnacle of engine makers from f1 to bike engines ❤

[@Poorlybobsdad]

Great, good to see Honda back on it. Also makes a nice change from a parallel twin 👍🏻

[@tomostinato2918]

Fingers crossed!

[@montypythonish]

I like the concept, less mass from pistols and crank should spool up quicker and it would have less cam drag. Sounds like an interesting machine.

[@kevinrafisugiharto5380]

RC45 reborn? But with V3

[@kellytahara4960]

Looking at the crankcase proportions, it appears to be a very short stroke over square design. Imagine high rev capability with e-compressor torque. Hopefully they use V-Tech and direct injection as well. Fingers crossed for what it could be.

[@luisnunes5274]

Make the timing gear driven and use the gears to also drive the SC from the camshaft gear....and watch how it becomes the best bike engine package ever ❤

[@benjaminrapatz9703]

Even better. There is no timing. The electrical SC is before the airbox and sets the whole airbox under pressure, so you have all the torque/power alll the time. Way more capable than having it rely on engine rpms.

[@jonm7272]

"drive the supercharger off the cam", I think you may have missed the point here. Electrically driven SC gives digital control with none of the compromises of being controlled by engine speed.

[@TheMotorcycleArchives]

Love to see some more innovation in the ICE space. Let's go Honda, let's get this in production!!

[@ekspatriat]

Honda also produced a 250 V3 roadster.

[@Section9.P.S]

MVX 250

[@gdevelek]

The compressor is probably going to be triggered by the throttle, whenever the throttle gets twisted aggressively, it will be interpreted as need for extra pull, and the compressor will kick in and provide it. Good stuff. The question in my mind is: "where is the power for the spin-up going to come from?"

[@jimporter]

Presumably from the alternator as this is just a strapped on hairdryer. Did you watch the video?

[@JLK7700]

Honda, be bold and build the bike with all the technical goodies or more. It will be my first Honda I purchase after so many years buying other brands.

[@prowler2358]

Electric superchargers/turbo's have been around for years, you can have full boost at 2000rpm, great for traction and grunt, surprised its taken this long to make it into the real world

[@tonyciriello6872]

Now the "ride modes" take on a whole new meaning. You can add say 20 HP in sport mode with boost. A "custom" mode could add boost at higher RPM. Getting "on the pipe" like a two stroke. Do it NOW !! Please.

[@paradiselost9946]

20hp. 15kw or so... at what voltage? 48v? so its going to be pulling at least 300A? and ohms law says that a motor that can pull that current at that voltage would be dissipating over 10kw of heat in its own winding resistance... the generator to supply that power also dissipating 10kw in its own windings... could reduce losses by raising voltages to 240 or more, but that has its own litany of issues... wheres the generator going to fit? and the radiator to keep both it and the motor cool? along with battery pack and ESC? and where is this battery pack? all neatly housed on a two wheel vehicle that is supposed to be "lightweight" and "compact"... hmmmmmm.... you dont make 20hp extra for nothing... something has to drive that compressor to force enough air in to make that extra "20 horsepower"...

[@tonyciriello6872]

@paradiselost9946 I guess you don't like the idea.. Its true there is no free lunch but. I don't think that Honda would release a new supercharged engine a major motorcycle show if it wasn't going to work.

[@zuhu1402]

@@paradiselost9946 you're taking that in count as if it were the compressor creating the power.... that's not how it works. you can't calculate that as if it was an additional electric motor driving the wheel... This just forces more air into the engine hence allowing them to push more fuel and therefore more power.

[@paradiselost9946]

@@zuhu1402 if the compresoor was driven directly off the engine, then for every horsepower extra at the crankshaft, the engine would have to make two as the compressor requires another horsepower to drive it. that is the basis of my calculations. to compress sufficient air for an extra 10kw of power at the crankshaft will ALWAYS require a proportionate amount of power to simply COMPRESS THE AIR. you dont get anything for free.

[@paradiselost9946]

@@tonyciriello6872 really? theres whole shows dedicated to "concept vehicles" that never eventuated. how about those chrysler turbine cars? what happened there? how about the sarichs orbital engine? and all the funding it received, all the attention garnished? how about the good old wankel, was going to revolutionise the world? where is it now? why isnt it in everything if it works so well? you havent read any comments? adulating fans screaming "TAKE OUR MONEY!!!!"? THAT is why they "release" it... to build up funding. make shareholders happy. tax free donations they can invest into tax free "carbon neutral net zero eco friendly research"... theres people out there that just rung their investment bankers, telling them to throw a few million at honda the moment they saw it. pocket money for them... they dont care about technical issues, theyre looking for the next big thing... and this is not it. so far, all ive seen is something that looks suspiciously like a 3d printed model. theres now videos of it on display, so its not just a 3d render... but is it actual metal? a working device? or a device in the works? wheres the sound bites? wheres the track demo? ffs, it doesnt even have handlebars yet.

[@umakantgajjewar8898]

Honda should make this engine idea in various sizes, ex: 500cc, 750cc, 900cc. And fit on those bikes.

[@davelawrence594]

Honda engineering at it's best & way over due bring it on!!👌🏻👍🏻

[@natewrenches9570]

Yeees, VFR! Do it!

[@rickystalin6633]

I think they are trying to recreate v5 engine idea in v3. Its actually awesome. Might be motogp prototype for 2027

[@totzinfo]

I think this is an exotic VFR750RR superbike

[@fiftyfive5459]

look so clean.

[@billyglimstead5204]

Reminds of a turbo you'd see on Alibaba or something

[@scottsmith491]

Yes,I'm definitely interested. I would like it better if it would come with a really beautiful aluminum frame.

[@EllenDegenerate-o5b]

You need a lot of current to run that turbo how I wonder do they achieve this, a concept bike for the future but not now.

[@coolhandchunk]

Honda back to doing Honda things! Nice to see!

[@berkinburduroglu2406]

vfr was one of the best engine sound of motorcycles. I can not wait, how this howl can be?

[@motokrack]

There are losses in terms of producing the energy to spin the compressor I would imagine , they must have a solution , 3 cylinder inline bikes have become popular, and the v3 is more complicated in terms building and needs more expensive parts , but they can't really do the same as yamaha , I think it would share the crank timing with the inline so no advantage in a vee sound ? It is interesting and good in packaging terms , I think a lightweight platform sharing range would be fun bikes

[@brunocarmona4958]

For sure Honda stole EICMA 2024 with this concept

[@paultanton4307]

Mmm an interesting hybrid of the VTR and VFR Engine philosophy - i wonder how long it will take to get something related into production 🤔

[@ellwoodwolf]

Im a little surprised manufacturers haven't rushed to turbo/supercharge engines.. big numbers and potentially shorter life engines.... With them increasing size and decreasing compression, the engines will last longer. Motorcycles now are very good and if manufactured better than KTM, actually last... So to keep getting sales every 6 years they need shorter life engines and people won't do that unless there is a trade off

[@hyprmetlfan123]

V3 + electric turbo, great combo to fight EU emissions standard

[@jonasbaine3538]

Isn’t high intake pressures at low rpm and loads bad? So it will have high engine loads at low throttle correct?

[@davedthomas01]

Pressure depends on turbine speed, which would probably be controlled by the ECU, based on readings of road speed engine speed and throttle position, ensuring the boost provided would never be enough to over stress the engine.

[@joker-bc4cv]

Would be intresting to listen to how it sounds,one thing for sure it wont sound like an inline 3.

[@rstrakovsky]

Hell yeah, that's sick! Bet it sounds amazing....

[@PoweredbyRobots]

Enter the Honda Firebrand. Firelord. Firebrick. Firecracker (a 390cc version). Fireball... no, that's the not quite ready lithium powered version... and depending on what software they're using for the IMU/TC/ABS, the Honda Firewall.

[@MrNobody_1618]

900 cc V3 with an electric compressor this will produce a load of torque!

[@Parkyste]

This Engine in the Africa Twin Adventure Sport…. Leave the standard off road Africa twin with the current engine… would make a bigger difference between the 2

[@jorbedo]

Supercharged 125hp Africa Twin!

[@jaythomasni]

the cylinders appear to be large size . it could be 1100 - 1300 cc

[@The.JZA.]

Oh man I am so happy to see Honda pushing the boundaries again! All of their bikes have been a bit bland for a while now but this looks like it could be incredible. I bet it will be super expensive though so it won't be a mass market product.

[@mv4075]

Nice flex. Now build a clean 2 stroke MXer.

[@harindranathghosh1283]

I wish they went all in on a CBR V4 FIREBLADE.

[@Raptor4J]

Doesn't seem like it will be used in a "sportbike" since FI is not allowed in any series. They'll probably put it in a sport tourer to see if people like the motor and then lobby for regulation changes before bringing it a sportbike.

[@Philthy82]

The V3 will sound interesting, I wonder if the rider will have much control over when the boost comes on 🤔

[@jonnymac8925]

If Honda builds this I will buy it😯

[@paulthompson8613]

You all know we want the V five

[@brentsowers]

Honda NT-650 Hawk from the future!!!

[@onemanmob6756]

Better than e-clutch?

[@johnnycomelately6341]

Must have missed what size it is, a 1000cc ?

[@sbnch06]

Please be and RVF NC50 , 500CC 100HP sports bike, it'll be the best thing on the road.

[@lolbruah]

Could be a nice platform for a Power Cruiser.

[@imamfn]

Imagine this: 1050cc V3, e-Compressor, 270-300hp that could be the perfect rival for the H2R. The new hyperbike has been reborn ❤️

[@TuTukan-ho2lv]

Unrideable on the street anyway... but V3 sound with full exhaust system would be mental, we'd love it, I can tell.

[@yellowbearworks2535]

This is what we call genuine tech, laddies. Honda, just do not f"ck up the design please!

[@xinazhong7771]

V3 engine, electric turbo, Single-sided Swingarm Who let Honda cook?

[@cpuuk]

Now there's a new idea 🙂

[@thomaseichele5061]

Das wäre gut!

[@moriwaki80]

Think he meant NS400R

[@cookinsdabest]

Add another cylinder on the front and make it a W4 engine. Why not?

[@mala7794]

now lets wait for a streetable v5

[@Destanwashere]

good job honda

[@cho4724]

wonderful engine

[@chriswest2290]

I love triples

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Electric supercharging is VERY watt-hungry. The automotive world hasn't been doing this for a reason, with a late exception. Audi is planning to run a 48v supercharging system in conjunction with their exhaust-powered turbocharged system. Only as a means to fill the transient response lag. With a motorcycle, you have to have the electrical power from somewhere. There's no free power in physics. Even if this provided 1-2psi that would make a big difference in engine torque overall, but like I said, very watt-hungry and you have to use energy from somewhere to store electrical energy to run it. There's a reason why it's been simply easier to produce a larger-displacement motorcycle engine, than to keep them very small and use forced-induction complexity/weight/reliability-concerns.

[@theeschatechannel2854]

Africa triple 😂

[@Fertube0218]

I want to hear it

[@Erictheha1fabee]

⁠I am one of the said old VFR V4 gear driven cams owners……

[@Maxime_L91]

A worthy successor to the VFR?

[@kinglouiesshed8995]

The electrical system is what will take the punishment for working such a big fan all the time. Li ion lipo4 battery with a big ass alternator crank driven I presume so it’s as reliable as it can be but its a constant stress on the motor either way 🤷🏻‍♂️ Regen braking and off throttle recharge etc etc

[@tonyohalloran8817]

about bloody time