Wildlife Photography, Contest Images and One You Will Hate

Watch the final images and really curious to hear your thoughts.
Will you hate it like many of my friends or will my explanation change your mind?
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[@davidhuth5659]

In art, "never" and "always" rules should not exist. Try anything and consider all possibilities. This is how we find things in art that make people say, "I wish I'd thought of that!" The out of focus eye might not be the next big thing but it's definitely worthy of this conversation.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Great thoughts

[@MrMikewr]

Yes I would! I think it works because the colour of the eye is bold and contrasts with the stump.

[@reicherttjr]

It is obvious to me the appeal to me is the fact that this is a WOOOOOOD Duck!

[@bengundy3372]

Reference to the Wood Duck image, as a judge I like to see the eye always in focus. I would have thrown this image out probably due to the many other stronger images in the contest. I believe this image hurt your chances in the portfolio division for sure. This being said I wish you had the same image with both the wood and Wood Duck in focus and another one with the wood slightly out of focus with a sharp Wood Duck. Would have been fun to compare...

[@fantasysensenmann]

I liked the image as soon as I saw it and you didn't have to talk about it. It transports the feeling I have when fotographing wildlife trying to be seen but of course I can't be invisible. This is what I imagine it would feel if the roles are reversed and the duck inspects me what strange or maybe beautiful creature I am with this huge lens in front of its face. The eye doesn't have to be out of focus for this feeling but it makes it better.

[@Gogogordy1]

I do like the wood duck-behinda-stump shot….it tells the viewer all there is to know immediately and without ambiguity, and it does so differently than the “typical” shot would. I’m neither good enough, nor brave enough to enter that in the (insert contest name here…but I’m sure we’re all pretty certain which this is) as an amateur (which I am) but if it WAS my picture, I’d be proud of it even though for me I’d label it a mistake! Thought-provoking video and some great shots.

[@yvonnejohnson3198]

I probably wouldn't enter it because in my case I am not progressed enough to have photographed this scenario and it would have been a mistake on my part. It also seems like judges don't really think outside of the box. I suppose that is because they have so many photos to judge they don't really have time to consider the message. This does drive home the importance of a caption that makes the judge at lease pause before hitting delete. I find your video encourages me to be more true to myself when I select photos for a contest. I have a love of wildlife and the fact is that most wildlife does not live in a bokeh world. Their environment is often harsh and ugly with poor lighting. I wish judges would take this into consideration in contests.

[@peterjackhandy]

Should have watched to the end before commenting. Getting back to the question you actually asked... I was discussing with a couple of very experienced birders just yesterday, at the local estuary, what each of us think makes for a really watchable bird photo; surprisingly, we agreed that it really doesn't matter if the eye is pin-sharp - What matters is that the shot should entertain or inform; even make you think a bit, despite seeing similar birds on the daily. I'd just shot a burst of a Curlew with its flight feathers in an uproar, coming in for a cross-wind landing 😉

[@csayban]

I know little about contest judging because I never enter contests. However, I love that stump photo because there is a sense of mystery to it. It's a bit different from "the standard" image. But I tend to look at the art rather than the technical of photography. But everyone looks at things different and that is a wonderful thing. Keep doing what you do.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks so much!

[@danbrown8979]

The out of focus eye is a no go for me for a couple reasons. The red eye immediately draws my eye to it, then, because it is out of focus, my eye jumps to the stump, and finding nothing particularly interesting there, it jumps back to the red eye, over and over again. This is very confusing, almost like having two subjects in the frame, bouncing my eye back and forth, back and forth, rather than having one or and odd numbers of subjects, which settle my brain on the whole image. The other thing about an oof eye is that the eye is "life" , "the window to the soul" if wildlife have souls? Having this oof eye seems dead. The red actually makes the whole confusion worse. I think that if the eye was not red, it might work better. IMHO.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Interesting how some thought the exact opposite about the color. No right or wrong, I really just like seeing how the same image can evoke very different reactions. It's definitely a love (maybe like)/hate image.

[@craigmontour9906]

I liked the stump image. I liked the light, the red, I identified it as a wood duck. At first look, it was so small it didn’t really seem out of focus. On second look it was fine out of focus. I could see it as a favorite but do not think I would have entered it to a contest.

[@Trigger-xw9gq]

While I can appreciate the artistic breaking of rules (and you generally have to break them in a big way), the blurry eye is just too bothersome, and even after trying to put that aside, I can't get past it. I think if both the stump and eye were in focus, that might have worked, but probably would have required something like f/22, and the time to think about that in the field and make the adjustment with a moving duck is near impossible. Having said that, it seems that the judges in the bigger contests are always looking for something WAY outside the box (to the point of being ridiculous), so it wouldn't surprise me if they chose this as a winner. Good thought experiment Scott!

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks for the thought, expected that 3/4 people would NOT like this

[@davearchbell9921]

I liked the WODU photo. The eye not being in focus speaks to the elusiveness of the bird. The stump would make a nice piece of wall art on its own.

[@user-df4ix2rf9v]

Not my favorite because the eye being out of focus. Your explanation did help with my understanding why you like the photo, it’s just that I can’t get there enough to call it a keeper.

[@robchace7445]

For me it looks like you meant to take a pic of a stump that happened to have an out of focus duck behind it. The stump is the subject. A peek a boo image like this has to have the eye in focus for me & then the duck becomes the subject of the image, not a stump! For a bird photography competition, the bird has to be the subject and therefore in focus. If it was a stump photography competition, then it's a winner!

[@andrewwordsworth5364]

I have never seen a wood duck yet, but without you standing there saying what it is, I know it’s a wood duck. And the more I view this image the more I like it’s simplicity

[@robvandenbrink9006]

The out of focus eye makes the bird look “angry”, which an in focus wood duck generally would not.

[@brucehart706]

I like the stump image. It’s a visual pun - wood and duck.

[@TomReichner]

regarding the question you ask at 10:45, "In what situations might an image work if the eye is not in focus?" I think one such instance would be a prey species such as an insect, crab, etc., being large in the frame and in focus, and in the background would be the bird (or birds) who are stalking it. Like a small Hermit Crab on a beach, very close to the camera and in focus, and a couple of gulls behind the crab rushing in to capture it. In such a case it would work if the gulls are somewhat out of focus. But I mean a very dramatic perspective where the camera is literally inches from the crab and the gulls are looming LARGE right behind the crab, just a second away from closing in on it.

[@billwhite9896]

I like the stump photo. --- I took an Elementary Harmony class in college. I was leaning toward a major in music. The professor hammered us weekly about the rules of composition, harmony, keys, chords and avoiding dissonance. Until the last minute in the last class. He said “Unless it sounds great!”. As with photography, I guess, you work within as many of the guidelines as you can, not all that different than music. If you drive yourself to follow the accepted rules or guidelines of composition, you will do well. At some point you may consciously or subconsciously gain a skillful understanding of composition. Then, at the point you wish to break those rules or guidelines, you might do so in a deep way that could seem momentarily genius. I like the stump photo. It looks great.

[@WildlifeInspired]

unless it looks great......

[@JustOneKnight]

When i was doing uni for my bachelor of arts degree it drove me nuts trying to think why i drew what i did or painted what i did ....i just did. Why must everything be bludgeoned to death with explanation why can it not be interpreted for what the viewer wishes to see in it. If you connect with the artist or in this case you as a photographer thats totally awesome but seeing a different perspective having a different take on something is also interesting. I think it depends on a lot of factors that this photo works or doesnt work. I think all images are works of art, pretty or not, at least we are able to see them....some are not as gifted nor advataged with a good set of eyes as we are.

[@love4wildlife]

Re eye in focus question - I would potentially submit such an image but ONLY if the area that is in focus is what the photograph is about (for example. close up feather details). So in the case of the wood duck photo, the image has become about the stump and not the duck. As with most things, there could be exceptions. In my humble opinion, this isn't one of them. Having said that, it's an interesting topic and I do agree its good to push the boundaries.

[@WildlifeInspired]

I totally get perspective, like an out of focus in between wings or feathers perhaps

[@matprice4757]

I get it i love it!!!! Exceptional photo! I love it because the duck looks timid like it’s trying to come out if its shell. I love the contrasting brown with red pop i love everything about this image Btw i posted this comment before you explained it

[@amendegw]

Another great video, Scott. I must admit that your wood duck shot was not my favorite of the group but I did like it and I like it even more after your explanation. That said, IMHO, taking risks is what it's all about. It just may be that the judges fall in love with a shot like that because how different it is. Great work!

[@WildlifeInspired]

I can only take so many pics of birds lol..... I need to so something a little off once in a while

[@TerryKontopoulos]

My first impression was something is hiding there... Second was that it was a frog (!) behind the trank... I liked it, then hearing you doubts come to my mind, as you pointed what people will think and some maybe will laugh even... I would have love to have make it but exactly with your intentions...

[@HalMoran]

I forgot which 19th century artist said it, but I believe this quote fits. "Seeing... is forgetting the name of the thing you are looking at." It applies to your image with the stump and blurred wood duck eye. So, if you are strictly looking for a bird image then no, it doesn't work. If you're looking for a wonderful artistic piece, then yes, it works!

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks!

[@DeanJohnson67]

to me the stump/male wood duck photo was the best! if the eye was more in focus I think I would like it less.. the others were all good but the stump photo is likely never to be captured again..

[@michaelbowles420]

I like the concept but the eye being out of focus would bother me. I would like to see how it looks in a frame.

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

Art is subjective, challenge to be diffrent so for me I submitted a photo of a flower over long exposure to my states wildlife photography contest and all the bugs that visited that flower through out the 10 min I exposed the sensor are a blur but the flower is in focus the whole time and it's in my top 3 photos I've taken so far this year and though the eye is out of focus that is an awesome photo I am glad you submitted it, as a photographer I break the "rules" and if I did film I would break the 4th wall as well. Challenge it and best of luck.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thansks Moose

[@georgemason2472]

The colors and lighting are very nice. I keep a rotating screensaver file on my computer and some shots like this are in it. It tells a nice story. This hide and seek behavior of the Wood Ducks is a behavioral habit that this captures nicely. I would feel in a contest you're up against two issues. 1. Not everyone is a drawn to behavioral shots as you and I are. 2. I'm not sure the story is strong enough alongside other behavioral image shots to demand top billing. I do love that the eye is right in the notch. This is one of those rare exceptions to the sharp eye.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks!

[@kerrygrim7934]

I especially like the two Black Vultures showing tenderness from these crazy birds. I would have cropped only lightly.But, that is just me. As for the Wood Duck. I like it. Artists are expecting not everyone to like their work. You are taking the chance to trying something out of the norm and that is a good sign of an artist. Your not restricted by the so-called normal standards. I love the simplicity, just the wood and a bright red eye that grabs your attention immediately. I suspect if it were in sharp focus, it would lose a lot of mystery and people may actually think it was photo-shopped in. If it were a brown out, that would blend in and lose impact. I congratulate you for being creative and trying something out of the ordinary. So would I have entered it? I believe I probably would have.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks Kerry, always appreciate your thoughtful comments

[@brianperkes3715]

I like the creativity and it’s a cool image. When I see it two words come to mind. Wood and duck so I think it works for me. That said it’s not my favorite but to me contests can be a crapshoot so who knows what the judge is thinking. I know one thing they will notice and remember it. Probably wouldn’t if it was another beautiful bird on a stick.

[@WildlifeInspired]

crapshoot .... yes!

[@photogrifmike]

I never enter photo contests, putting that out there right off the bat. So the question is, would I have TAKEN that photo. Probably not. Not saying it's bad, but I wouldn't have thought to take it. To me it shows much more depth, almost a 3-D effect that there's the foreground water out of focus, the stump in focus, then the duck slightly out, and the totally blurred background. Giving much more of a sense of depth to me. I thought of that as soon as I saw it, and your explanation didn't sway my thoughts. One of the reasons I don't enter contests is that it's just judges opinions. If not picked, it doesn't mean it's a bad photo, but just wasn't something that they judges connected with. I had a hard time with that concept and it felt like my photos were poor.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Contests can be extremely frustrating and completely subjective.

[@Maybachdemon]

Personally i probably would have stopped the aperture down a little bit more to get the eye just a little more in focus, but not entirely. I definitely get what you were going for and I don't think its a bad photo or concept at all

[@uaebifvideo5472]

Withbyou,Scott!!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@corderonature]

Regarding the wood duck image: the idea and caption is really good. Another positive aspect is that the eye out of focus is different enough to know, or at least guess, the species. To move the image from very good to excellent, I would create a texture with the stump (mega crop), no water in the image, and the eye behind of this texture as it is. The fact that the stump is cut on the right, leave the image a little ambiguous (all my opinion, of course). Another overall advice for submitting images as a portfolio in a contest is to work on the same group of birds (e.g. only waterfowls with different techniques). You will get the feeling they are all connected even if different techniques, atmospheres or focal distances were used. Best, Hector.

[@WildlifeInspired]

I commented on this before and my intent to show diversity in my style could be detremental? see @andiusTeijgeler comment

[@AndiusTeijgeler]

Great that you share and are open for comments. I have been judge in competitions and thought is is nice to place a few remarks. First thing that people should realize, that in the first round of selection a judge might have to review thousands of images. The first impression kicks out already 90 % of the images. Second the composition of the gentle moment of the two vultures is for me too tide, especially on the right (cut of wings). Third the songbird is a bit dull image, and the lines are okay, but not really convincing. The last image is definitely one that as a judge you either like or dislike immediately. Trouble with images like that in the competition is that during a debate within a jury, the image will not survive. In the past I have entered an image with a big bird out of focus and a small one behind in focus. It made it to the shortlist, but did nothing more. Difference with your image, is that at least one birds eye was in focus. I doubt that in case the eye would be in focus, and the piece of wood not, the image would be more attractive. In addition in a portfolio I always look for a style or story. The sum of the images should have a value add. As a participant I always look to have a combination of those. Your images show you are a great photographer, but I find them to divers in style for a portfolio.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Interesting on diversity. I have seen portfolios that contain the same theme (all wide angle) and they won and I felt it DIDN"T show diversity. In my case I include flight, motion, sometimes a wide angle, etc. I think my goal is to show breadth and variance. To your point, the collection is not "cohesive" and could be seen as random. It's possible that my intent to show variety hurts not helps. And of course..... it's all subjective lol

[@uaebifvideo5472]

If the judge was a classic, you'll have no chance with a blurred eye!!.

[@WildlifeInspired]

agree

[@peterjackhandy]

Firstly - I don't show my images to other photographers: I am totally disinterested in their nit-picking over sharpness, halos, etc. The opinions I value are those of the people that want to hang a picture on their wall &, hopefully, pay for the privilege. My paramount requirement for a good image is that, when I enter a room in which it's hung, it smacks me in the eye & says "Look at Me!". If you need to examine a print with a loup, that image has failed... IMHO, of course 😎. So; Yes, I'd put a technically 'bad' image into an exhibition.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Interesting. I think sometimes the opposite. You would see many works of art my the masters as just quick eye candy. You often see people analyzing and studying the nuances of an image. I often prefer images that invite some investigation. I'm not say every image needs to be like this, but I think the study of a piece can be interesting.

[@arthurquinlan3862]

I think the wood duck image would have worked better if the duck was even more out of focus. I love the composition but the image as is gives me the impression that the photographer simply mis-focused. A blurrier duck might have indicated more of an intent to create the image with the stump in focus and the bird out of focus.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Fair point!

[@andreademitri3036]

I think the photo with the tree stump and the eye out of focus is brilliant, and certainly original. I don't think it would have worked with the duck eye in focus (who said that a good photo must be tack sharp? Think of Ernst Haas...). However, the one I'd prefer is the one with the two vultures. The behaviour is brilliantly captured.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks so much!

[@jimstx]

I like it. Most of my photography tries to capture the beauty that's hiding just behind the things we see. This image does exactly that -- brilliantly. Yes, it's out of focus, but it encourages us to look more deeply. It tells us there is always something more. And there is! The colors make it work, not just the red eye but the green head contrasting with the multi-hued brown. Also the texture: sharp stump vs smooth background. Yet the image would not work (for me) if the duck and (or) eye were in focus. It would look fake. Beauty hides, but it also reveals.

[@WildlifeInspired]

well said!

[@craigpiferphotography]

I'm going to say that there are definitely situations where the eye does not need to be in focus. Your photos is an example of one that does work to show a bird hiding, and adding some mystery. I would compare it to an image of a lion or tiger hidden in the grass and the grass would be in focus, but not the animal. There is still enough detail to know what is there, but you aren't giving it away completely.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks Craig

[@andek_foto]

I like an out of focus 'subject' and in focus fore or background. It is artsy, it defines the place and says yes the subject (bird) is important because heck that is our focus (bad pun) as an avian photographer but we know what a wood duck looks like but here we focus (second bad pun) on its home...I guess not to belabor this, my academic background is in Geography so understanding space and place is a central tenant of the subject. I think that is what your photo is doing.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thanks!

[@toddhathaway6864]

I like it

[@TheWildlifeGallery388]

Actually - I think your explanation WORKS HERE - I don't think it would have the same appeal of a Wood Duck showing himself without revealing himself IF, the eye was in focus. Would still be a cool shot though - Those Black Vultures are a Killer Photo; I liked the Looser composition.

[@WildlifeInspired]

I like that looser comp too! The problem was that I was going to stitch the photos so I panned up and down. Then realized the best image was when the birds where up in teh top right corner, so I could not stitch for the contest. I went tighter and then used a couple frames for the "art" edit.

[@tonyh4266]

It’s hard for me, the caption you use has to hit the spot to be successful. I wouldn’t enter this, but give you credit for your resolve. Hope it does well!

[@user-tr7vm5dp9k]

yes you can

[@jakeysforkphoto]

Interestingly what takes my eye away from entirety of the image is the stump being cut off on the right side. I get the art side of the eye being out of focus.

[@WildlifeInspired]

I think that is way I had in camera maybe only a sliver and some times little fractions of space bother me

[@VinceMaidens]

Really very surprised the vultures didn't make a mark on the contest I know you entered, it's unique, it's showing a behaviour you don't expect and the quality of the image is excellent. Had I been judging this year, i'd have probably shorted it. The sharp stump and blurry duck, I like the framing but for a contest it's not shock it failed as it's gone against the norms. I get why you like it but for a contest it's never going to be a pick. If it was a sharp eye, be quite compelling. The problem with contests is you have a 10th of a second to get the attention of the judge, if you don't grab it you're passed over. In this case I suspect thats exactly what they did.

[@user-iy2ig2gn4u]

I dont hate it..... it makes me curious to see a shot of the eye in focus....which is making me think about the photo.....and thats kinda the point isnt it.

[@WildlifeInspired]

yes!

[@faerphoto]

I don't believe the eye always needs to be in focus. Whatever the photographer wants the viewer's eye drawn to, the attention on, that's what should be in focus. Most of the time with animals, that's the eye for the connection to the animal's soul and personality and mood. But, it doesn't always have to be that. For example, you have an animal curled up that a small insect lands on its tail or a lizard pokes out nearby or something. The animal is staring at the little creature. You as the photographer may want to have that creature in focus to draw attention to it. It might be facing away from you so no focus on its eyes. You can see the eyes of the larger animal looking at the little creature but you have those eyes out of focus so all the focus is on the tiny creature where it's looking at. I'm not sure I've explained that well, but I hope you can understand my meaning. As for your photo, I understand the concept you're aiming for, and it might work but for one thing, for me at least. The red of the eye is so vibrant that it's being out of focus but still drawing your eye to it in that little gap makes me woozy. I was actively trying to look at either the rest of the out of focus head or the in focus wood or even at the soft water to help alleviate the feeling. I think if it were a different animal with a more muted eye color, it would have worked way better, though I definitely understand the point about how hard it is to conceal that type of duck. Given your position and your thoughts on contests, I would probably have said go for it, as I'm curious what the judges would think and say about it. For non-contest purposes, I am curious what the reaction would be if you toned down that eye a bit though. But, that's just me. :)

[@carwin90]

I like it, but would not have entered. I has to grow on you

[@Alan.Daniel.images]

The more I look at it the better I like it. Unfortunately contest judges don't spend enough time with a photo.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Very true!

[@user-bn9jc8ce8d]

2，5，6👍

[@kaido3471]

How at cropping the vultures even more & in B&W?

[@jeffolson4731]

I really like the stump image. I like the mystery created by the eye being out of focus. It makes it look like the Wood Duck was hiding from you. There aren't many other waterfowl that this would work with, maybe a Golden Eye. The bright red eye perfectly lined up in the slot in the trunk really makes the image pop. I don't know if the judges liked it or hated it but I can guarantee they talked about it.

[@WildlifeInspired]

Thansk Jeff!

[@blisteringbooks2428]

The eye is a marmite photo, different often works in competition because it sparks debate. However, you waterbird is smack in the middle, judges tend to want it moving into a space or on a third. The shore bird has its head buried, almost always a judge will say he wants to see to eye, I have been marked down if half the beak was in the sand. It is subjective, you can't please every judge. At least none of your birds were stuffed! Incidentally if you want to shred any of my images, @hibbertderek!

[@WildlifeInspired]

I like images that spark conversation, even if people may not like them

[@tahulanyon3995]

Yeh dude its all about the pop of colour with that last one, also like the question you get left with.

[@dimitristsagdis7340]

so what was the actual title of that out of focus eye you submitted to the competition. Hide and seek? Peek-A-Boo? something else?

[@WildlifeInspired]

oh boy..... not sure but something about elusive and eye I think

[@dimitristsagdis7340]

@@WildlifeInspired Tnx

[@AlphaZuluPhotography]

People are pretty brain washed into the whole in focus eye thing. So it’s usually a tough sell, but because it’s so different I kinda like it. I’m not sure what I would have done with the image. I don’t ever submit to contests though.

[@mjd073]

LOLOL if it's a "Best stump photo-contest" it's a winner getting the eye perfectly in the crook of he stump. Would I enter it probably not. is that the original crop or is there more of the stump available?

[@WildlifeInspired]

Light crop

[@AmNeuberg]

Danke, für den Werbebeitrag✅

[@edwardbutt691]

The eye being out of focus is purely incidental to the image. I like it because it is different and interesting from the normal shots of birds. The viewer is immediately drawn to the eye - so in my opinion does not need to be in focus.

[@dsorx]

If you have to explain or give context to your photo, then it's not worthy of a contest submission IMO. It doesn't mean it's worthless to you because you knew your intention and obviously you like the photo. You can hang it in your house and love it, but I don't think anyone else would like it as they have no attachment or context. If it was in a series of the "concealment" theme, then maybe it works. If it can't stand on its own, then it has no legs. I have lots of images that I keep because I like them even though I know they are technically trash.

[@dickblystone4288]

Might I suggest you enter this into the Smithsonian stump photography contest? I think you may have a winner! 🤣... On a slightly more serious note, I feel like I've been too brainwashed by youtube wildlife photography 101 videos to wrap my head around an out of focus eye picture, but maybe the 1st step to recovery is admitting I have a problem. Thanks for sharing, never a dull moment in a Scott Keyes video! P.S. my caption for this image might be something like, 'what was eye thinking?'

[@WildlifeInspired]

Nice caption!