Copying Keys from Photos, Molds & More

[@edwamser]

My first experience watching someone decode a key by sight was when I locked my keys in my pickup truck about 20 years ago. The locksmith showed up, looked inside the truck, saw my keys on the seat. I heard him mumble off the numbers for the cuts and then he cut the key with a Pak-A-Punch and opened my door. I didn't mind paying him $75 for 5 mins of his time and a spare key because this guy obviously knew his trade.

[@burgersnchips]

Ed Wamser with great power comes great responsibility

[@artit91]

I locked my keys inside my motorbike because I was stupid as fuck, the locksmith came and opened the storage in 40 seconds with a single screwdriver and a hammer...

[@BerryTheBnnuy]

@@artit91 It's impossible for me to do that... My bike has 2 places to stick a key where keys could get lost. The seat, and the radio box (it's a fully dressed retired police bike, hence the radio box). Neither the seat nor the radio box will latch closed unless the key is actually in the lock.

[@JC-11111]

Dammit I just posted the same exact story. My mind was pretty blown at 17, watching my parents' friend cut that key in minutes. but then I found out his buddies got arrested for doing the same type of thing to the night security drop boxes on the sides of banks! Except the didn't have a key to look at. They were able to cuts keys that fit or pick the locks, I'm not sure which. It was covert entry, though lol. I also didn't have to pay to have him cut that key. Ironically, he's not the only locksmith that I know.

[@morgulbrut]

@@BerryTheBnnuy "Neither the seat nor the radio box will latch closed unless the key is actually in the lock." + "it's a fully dressed retired police bike" => coppers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer ;)

[@danvondrasek]

I used to be a courier in downtown Chicago many years ago. My first day there, they took my picture, and printed it on a laminate, with a dozen local courier companies logos on the front and back, with my name under it, and an entirely useless ID number, which I was told "is just there to fill the slot we dont use ID numbers". My photo was literally me, in a beanie, with my hood up, wearing my leather jacket, as this was mid winter when I started, so all winter, as I made deliveries, my photo looked like I had just taken it prior to walking into the building-still wearing the same outfit. I preface this, because not a single person asked me that entire winter "how long have you been working for X company?" when they looked at it. They would just write down my name, usually at the security desk, or let me write it down, and where I was going for delivery. I was then allowed access to their maintenance elevators, as couriers do not use the public ones. I could get to any floor I wanted to in any building I was in, just from walking in with an envelope and a name. The ONLY time I ever had a security guard call up to confirm delivery, was at a condo high rise in the super fancy part of Chicago up north on the lake. Rich condos and apartments always called up, lower end ones never did. Corporate buildings also never called up, nor did the security at city hall, or the Thompson Center, a giant hub of municipal and other offices. Most downtown buildings get hundreds of deliveries a day, and its so easy to blend in with them. I remember making deliveries to the same building my favorite radio station was in, and just going down to that floor and watching through the window while they were on air, until I had another call. Its been 10 or so years, but I still have that ID. Im almost positive it would still work too.

[@adamgh0]

Wow. You're a real James Bond aren't you? Can you tell me about the time you ripped the system and got double chicken nuggets at McDonald's again?

[@TheMrTape]

@@adamgh0 I think you mistook the point, mindboggling ignorance and lack of security, as pretentiousness. You must know it well since you assume the same in others. Sad.

[@hewhoadds]

📝🧐 wow so what buildings was it again that has low security? asking for a friend 😁

[@danvondrasek]

@@hewhoadds pretty much all of em but the malls, stores, and apartments. If its 90% offices, they get hundreds of deliveries a day from couriers outside of UPS/FedEx, and even a homemade ID can pass. As a bonus almost every elevator uses the same key, and if you buy said key for your area, you can basically be the elevator God for that car

[@Nepheos]

25:00 You gotta admit: master locks don't get much safer if they don't have the keycodes on 'em. any lockpickinglawyer fan will know: these things are mainly decorations.

[@exhydraboy2429]

lmao right

[@tkeleth2931]

Yeah but on the other hand, a guy who can crack open a bank safe with a bag of Doritos and a pen cap makes *every* lock look like a decoration hahahaha

[@lukemahoney2000]

@@tkeleth2931 literally right after I got my first set I raked a master lock in 4 seconds

[@davidpoissant3715]

First lesson I got in my locksmithing classes. "No lock is designed to keep everyone out. It's designed to keep most of the people out. The more you pay, less people will bypass it. If someone really wants in, they will find a way. Most of the time, not through the lock itself" Any master lock is good enough for protecting my outdoor cushions from the being stolen from the neighbourhood teenager that are looking to make troubles at night.

[@Depl0rable10]

​@@davidpoissant3715 so many master locks are vulnerable to raking or bypass drivers. They make it legit look like you have the key. A box sitting out in public someone could walk up, rake it, and take your stuff with others watching and they assume "well theyve got the key, must be theirs" There is a big difference between "any lock is vulnerable at some level" and "this lock can be opened eaiser without the key than with"

[@CellVendettahehe]

That charity plug though. Instant respect.

[@Abdega]

Help out sex workers to learn more about backdoor entries? Sign me up! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@GRAYgauss]

No kidding I went from. Seriously, charging for it? I nearly lost all respect for him then the charities and I'm like, "My dude, I'm sorry I doubted you."

[@nilskahle5863]

@@GRAYgauss I personally expected it to be Toool, but this sounds good too!

[@samu6982]

47:26 "the world kinda sucks a big fucking bowl of dicks"

[@h3rn14]

Blew my socks off. I thought the red team community was full of a bunch of ex-cops and conservatives but my man's out here... hell yeah

[@eliwatson7936]

“at the lockpicking gunfight” goddamit this sounds like my kind of event

[@ginkumpow3726]

LOL I remember as a child seeing a clay impression of a key made on the show mission impossible. Later in my teens I tried and succeeded using that method to acquire a key to the stables where my girlfriend kept her horse. Then I could obtain mycology samples privately in the middle of the night and not draw any undesirable attention. At that same period in time (70's) a friend & I made pass keys for the school lockers using a piece of sheet steel, a dremel tool, and some broken locks found in the school dumpster.

[@Cobalt-Jester]

Some of the easiest ways to gain entry is to find an open door around the back of a business building one that smokers use or the back door leading to the parking lot. And just tape a sign to the inside of the door saying "Leave this door unlocked". You can add reasons to it like access is needed by workmen or security. And more often than not they'll leave the door unlocked. There's a lot of cases where people have actually done just that.

[@CGoody564]

Why are there so many cons on not aware of? I'm so out of the loop. Time to binge Wild West Hackin fest talks after work; thanks for bringing it to my attention Deviant/event runners

[@DeviantOllam]

WWHF is one of the best new events out there now. i encourage all folk to try to attend!

[@CGoody564]

@@DeviantOllam will try to do so if I ever have the opportunity. Sadly I'm on the east coast and don't often get a chance to travel to such events. Hopefully that changes soon

[@refraggedbean]

when he asked which key was likely the house key I guessed the quickset not even because it was with the car keys, but because it is the only quickset I saw in the picture and that is pretty much THE house key

[@GRAYgauss]

Yeah for me it was a 1, 2 punch. Def thought the same then i saw the fob too.

[@Milosz_Ostrow]

"Kwikset"

[@lorenzoboyd6889]

Yup !

[@LavenderSystem69]

The Schlage, too. I see one of those, usually alongside a Kwikset, and 9 times out of 10 my brain says "deadbolt." 10 out of 10 of those times, my brain's been right...

[@pukeii]

im a simple man. i see Deviant, i click.

[@SmartLifeEnthusiast]

22:08 - I'm pretty sure the AirBnB owner saw the numbers on the key, didn't realise their value and used the nr. as a identifier for the key as (s)he knows which key fits that lock. Probably owns multiple properties and/or has multiple similar keys

[@DeviantOllam]

yes, I suspect there's a strong possibility that is what happened and why someone would have written the numbers on the outside of the deadbolt lock housing.

[@donaldasayers]

Jaguar cars in the 70s and early 80s had the bitting code stamped around the ignition lock. I actually witnessed someone in my local carpark photographing the inside of parked Jags through the driver's door window with a macro lens. I had no idea what he was upto at the time till the story hit the press a year or so later. Then again Abus used to stamp the wafer number on the back of the wafers of their locks where they could be seen with a little mirror.

[@dbauernf]

That was not a macro lens.

[@donaldasayers]

@@dbauernf pedant.

[@NigelTolley]

@@donaldasayers nothing worse than an incorrect pedant. Of course it was a macro lens, just used from further away than normal.

[@notamouse5630]

I bet somebody could make software to automatically do the aligning and bitting on any good photo. To prevent this, paint your keys in brown camo and unevenly file off all area near the zero depth section.

[@Wolverina92]

I had a locksmith rekey my entire house for added security from my ex. After seeing this video, I'm gonna go file off the numbers off my keys.

[@thekeywizard3313]

There is a better way, there are high security locks you can have a TRUE LOCKSMITH install on your home such that the keys are only able to be made by THAT locksmith for 100 miles, guaranteed. They have names like Medico, or Bi lock, or Mul-T-Lock and so on. It will cost you about four to five times what a standard lock is, but they are nigh unpick-able, have unique keys and will last forever, because the parts are hardened steel, milled metal and nickle steel pins, which will last thirty or more years, instead of pot or foamed metal, brass parts, and common keys which can wear out in just a couple of years. Besides, if you are using anything like a Kwikset or Schlage house lock, most locksmiths can pick them in less than ten seconds, although we rarely do in the presence of a customer, as it instills a feeling of having been cheated all around, cheap lock, easily bypassed, simple to pick, etc. So, if you have a security issue where you are thinking filing the cut codes off of your key is increasing your security, you are sorely mistaken. Your lock has many more vulnerabilities than getting a key by code, which are much more likely to be used, if someone is breaking in.

[@erictjones]

Goat was just hitting his reflection. Note the sunshine

[@suicidalbanananana]

Nice to see him use some new material in his talks, cool stuff, thanks for the talk & upload

[@alexanderryan-jones600]

I fully intend to watch maybe a minute of these videos? Even with my crappy attention-span, I watch the whole damn thing. I find this stuff fascinating.

[@TheCloudhopper]

Great to see an all new and fresh Deviant talk. Thanks for that!

[@LazerLord10]

With the keyless entry on my car, my keychain never leaves my pocket. Never thought of that as a security feature.

[@frodev728]

Nice. I wonder how long before thieves figure out how to hack those keyless entry keys? 🤔 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIObg6Wjes6tjMk

[@NigelTolley]

Except for being able to silently read the key through your trousers, from 10 feet away, that's great! /s

[@robertlyall187]

Just use a signal amplifier like on gone in 60 secs.

[@PNCNDNOB]

@@frodev728 we been doing that for years now :D

[@frodev728]

@@PNCNDNOB hahaha 😆 You Cnut 🤨

[@SwervingLemon]

Just cut a key for my daughter's car from a two-dollar key blank using a needle file and the key on the front seat as a reference. Thank you for posting these videos.

[@Liberty4Ever]

28:10 - No need to disassemble the lock and measure the pins to decode it. Rear shim it and use key blanks straight cut to each pin value. Hit the correct height and the shim slides in another position.

[@firesidesage3611]

im a simple man. i see Deviant, i click.

[@Sarge92]

oh fuck yes this guy could talk for 16 hours about the shit he took this morning and id listen

[@dylanheadrick3789]

Always excited to see a new video from Dev!

[@wobblysauce]

I see Deviant I follow the link and Like.

[@maxnankervis8246]

Ive been rewatching old videos because there was nothing new to watch.

[@NithinJune]

I'm a simple man, i see 99 likes, i click

[@ThatResolves]

I thought the content was awesome but the charities you chose to highlight at the end,

[@Verrisin]

his definition of a terrible photo is very different from mine XD

[@Vysair]

yeah what if the cam is blurry and full of noise

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

His job pays enough for the top toys in tech.

[@oz_jones]

"Ten year overnight success" LOL.

[@CandyGramForMongo_]

I’d love more detail about “fixing” photos and “poor man” systems for code cutting. You fancy consultants with your awesome/expensive tools! Loved your talk, thank you.

[@alexholker1309]

If you're still curious about "fixing" photos, image editing software has a perspective tool that maps a rectangle onto some other four-sided shape. This is useful if you want to do something like take a poster and photoshop it onto a wall aligned correctly, but with a bit of trial and error you can also do the reverse, taking a flat surface viewed from an angle and distorting it back as if you're viewing it head-on.

[@Nite0wl]

Nice presentation. Following the contest from home was very fun. Glad to see those photos worked out for you.

[@DeviantOllam]

thanks so much to everyone who sent me some photos from home!

[@deus_ex_machina_]

@@DeviantOllam Didn't they violate your own "don't put your keys on the internet" rule?

[@JC-11111]

I had a locksmith copy my key from looking at it hanging inside my locked vehicle. Standing next to the vehicle. He pulled out the blank and read off 4 or 5 numbers, which I surmised were the depths of the cuts. He clipped the new key in 45 seconds and was inside. I was impressed at 17 yrs old lol. Old truck with a separate ignition and door key. No digital calipers or anything else. He eyeballed the key from 2 ft away. Clipped out the cuts and was in the truck.

[@peglor]

If it was an old truck most likely anything that fitted the keyhole would have opened the lock thanks to the lock being worn from use. If you get the chance, such as in a parking lot, borrow keys from owners of the same make of vehicle and try them out before calling a locksmith. Newer locks are more resistant to this, such as the disk detainer style where there's no sliding action against the lock tumblers, but even these get generous with the keys they'll accept over time. On modern cars the locks never get used except when either the battery in the remote or the car battery dies.

[@JasperJanssen]

Just having the right ballpark pattern is very helpful. Say they key is a 1-4-2-6. But you cut a 2-5-1-7 for it. Now, jiggle that key a little... probable open. Even if just a turning tool wouldn’t work to open the lock, which, yes, especially old car locks are shitty. You’re basically making a custom jiggler which will work even if it isn’t exact.

[@JC-11111]

@@peglor I went through that, when I locked my keys in the truck. Our instructor in automotive tech school had a keyring with about 400 GM keys on it. He said "here, try this" lol. So I proceeded to check keys. Turns out we had some sort of "master key". The same key opened like 5 people's vehicles. It was pretty damn funny. The instructor took that key off the keyring after that so, no one 2ould break into someone else's car. Lol

[@JC-11111]

@@JasperJanssen yea it was an old 1987 S10 and it was around 1999 or so when it happened. 12 yrs old so not real old but old enough to be worn. As an, example, my current truck is 12 yrs old and the ignition in it isn't worn much at all.

[@usernamemykel]

I was a security officer at a university. A student advised me that he had locked his keys inside his car, a Honda, just like my old Honda. I jiggled my key in his lock, opened the lock, but relocked it because I was going too fast. It took one more short-time attempt and the student was able to drive home in his own car

[@jacobmpp]

If someone catches you, you could even say you are making sure it is within regulations to prevent damage to the locks over time. Most folks wouldn't know that is nonsense. When they say that it works so there must be no issue. You could point out how you are preventing damage, not ensuring function.

[@predator3299]

36:53 hey, it's the thumbnail for the lockpickinglawyer's video on weird keyways!

[@recless8667]

The one thing that the Deviant key gauge needs is a smooth gauge that will measure in millimeters. Slower than a caliper, but a lot less obvious.

[@MrSalsa1995]

Did I hear a collective "aww" at the end, after he mentioned where the food used to be? Lol

The mailbox lock at my parent's last house had a direct biting code (I assume), which was great for us since we never actually got a key, would also be great for any thief that was more than an opportunistic grabber.

[@EmmertAronson]

Deviant, you have been such a joy to watch! Thanks for your videos. I just started my own (much smaller) key ring: 1284x, 222343, and 16120. Also looked up those pak-a-punch's. Cheaper, yes. Cheap? No... Guess it's a good thing they're not ubiquitous. Briefly considered a Lishi, but seemed like a ninja tool. :-)

[@ThirtytwoJ]

to the last test. key one and compare to key two, identical pins are master pins and you just need the variations to discern the remaining pins. the master for the unknown pins will have to be at the depth of or somewhere between the gap in key a vs b.

[@easymac79]

I love this presenter. Top notch content.

[@DavidJohnson-bl9yy]

All great stuff. I really miss it.

[@CaptSlog]

06:45 Just a guess, but I think that the goat is having a go at it's own reflection, it think that it sees another goat that won't back off.

[@frotwithdanger]

A ways back the door to my friend's building had a worn out latch that slowly broke to where it only worked like 10%of the time and the owner wouldn't fix it. So when he finally got it open the last time I grabbed a stick, broke off a 1 inch section and jammed it in. The door still closed and was held in place by the arm at the top but now it wasn't a pain in the ass to use every time. I didn't think it was anything that great but he was impressed. Later management stuck a sign on the door saying someone had broken it lol.

[@camina0464]

i've always liked Deviant, but including the Trevor Project on his list of charities just hit home. He really is a stand-up guy, at least in what we can see.

[@DeviantOllam]

That is very kind of you to say. 💚

[@zachbrenner9959]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE PROPER NAME OF A HALLIGAN THAT ISNT IN THE FIRE SERVICE!

[@badlarry172]

just you and him eh?

[@kevbow3061]

best ever,interesting an presented with style.

[@ahiro220]

You could make clear cards with the guide lines for bitting depths so you can measure on the spot if you get the keys alone

[@Ryrzard]

A year or two ago I was ordering spare keys for my car. At a dealership they wanted some ungodly amount of money per key to make them. I ordered 2 keys off ebay from a Chinese car locksmith and he only wanted a photo of the original to cut it to size. Then I programmed it at some random key place in my city (to program keys yourself in my car you need to have at least 2 working keys but I only had 1) and they work perfectly to this day. I paid about the tenth of the price that the dealership wanted.

[@elruffian163]

Also look behind the key sometimes if it's original the cut numbers are on the back.muiltlock keys are the easiest to read

[@MajikCatSecurity]

first off, thanks for the goodies to download you are awesome! Secondly, LOVED the talk, thanks for your time and effort. =)

[@KenMagee]

I have scolded many of my friends for posting photos of their new house keys on social media. I even had one go as far as to unfriend me for yelling at her about it. She had a cheapo lock like a Shield Security or some such that has the code stamped into the key. And although the code was on the other side, just from looking at the picture, I guessed the numbers and told her to check the back of her key and tell me if my code was right. Of course it was, and she unfriended me for it saying it was creepy. If she didn't live 800 miles away, I would have punched out a key and went to her house to show her how stupid she was being. Some people are just hard headed. It's not creepy when I was trying to keep her safe.

[@over00lordunknown12]

That was good intentioned of you, but what if someone told you the bit code for the key to your house, wouldn’t you be scared and change your locks?

[@KenMagee]

@@over00lordunknown12 that's what I was hoping for.

[@lyfandeth]

A friend is someone who answers the phone when you call at 5am and say "I need help, can you pick me up at..." and just says "I'll be right there". Not some stranger you chat with on the web.

[@KenMagee]

@@lyfandeth I have many friends, this one in particular I have known for 25 years whom I went to school with.

[@teenisteenis9642]

@@KenMagee doesn't seem like you are friends anymore lol

[@RustyNail5856]

I Enjoy your videos very much, thank you.

[@miraclo3]

just remember, its a felony to forge a key for a place that you aren't allowed to have one for. friend of mine did something like this back in high school and when he got found out, the school called the police and they threatened him with a felony. they made him pay for every single lock in the school to be re-keyed. he didn't get arrested but he did lose honors and got suspended for a week.

[@miraclo3]

@Sebastian i dont life in the USA so i cant say the laws. but he was basically going to be charged for having burglary tools. it was a concern to them because things from the chemistry department had been going missing for awhile and they thought it was him. it wasn't and he got away with the only the punishment that he got.

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

​@Sebastian: but forging that random comma between "key" and "is" _is_ one, hehe!

[@steeltree-fabricatingandcu3796]

If you have access to a key lay it on a business card trace it With a pen If you have time do it a few times Cut one with exacto knife Use it to file use the other as a gauge I did it I knew nothing about bidding number it worked perfect

[@Uncle_Buzz]

37:36 - Absinthe. 🧚🏽‍♂️

[@rocketman8068]

My home key had the bitting stamped onto the side of key from the factory

[@Uneke]

You Can use a pin scope to get the bidding instead of taking the lock apart for the pins.

[@user-ro1cc8tz6d]

Needs to be implemented to hitman 3, imagine you competing with an other agent and you decide to put anykey or just the key for you

[@patchbunny]

The Pak-a-Punch style tool featured in a Columbo episode 'Troubled Waters". Robert Vaughn used one to make a duplicate key to the victim's room. It was called a Curtis Clipper in the episode. Columbo knew about them as his brother-in-law ran a used car dealership.

[@ItsMonkeyNews]

Nice inclusion of Bosnian Bill picking the R70

[@madjack821]

Ok, I’m a noob and I’m just trying to understand this here; if I have two locks with two separate keys, but they are on a master system, I can figure out the master biting between the two?

[@1990Judson]

Depending on the key system and how different they are, yes you can. Here is a talk from him about master keys. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4ezhJSBgbB7mpY

[@josephwright5921]

Sometimes . . .

[@JasperJanssen]

You know that each position is either on the master bitting, or not. So any position with the same bitting, that’s obvious. Where they disagree, take the highest of the two bittings. That’s not *necessarily* how the master system is set up, but it’s normal for the master keys to have more metal than subsidiary keys, basically to prevent subsidiary keys from wearing or being filed down into master keys, deliberately or accidentally. The treasure hunt Deviant’s doing is presumably doing that obvious thing, if you’re meant to figure it out from only two decoded locks.

[@randyaivaz3356]

In the Seventies, Junior High, I looked at the Teachers key, and also looked at Janitors Key, back then I Saw the Masters and Grandmasters as having Deeper cuts as opposed to Masters having Shallower asentionef. Were a couple depths lower, don't see wear as a possibility. They may have learned from that, and now Masters have the Shallower cuts? Their is also a single sided A126, key looked like picture of esp, HPC/Hudson site. Also the Fort Key #203, is up, down, up, down like the Ch751. A Fort Key 204 was common with Alarm Panels, to increase Security, they changed to a BH015, Identical Key as 204, just different Number. Cheaper to change the Number, than the Cuts? Stratmando

[@NetAndyCz]

Reminds me of TSA keys leak:)

[@azmax623]

Points for the os/2 desktop.

[@300DBenz]

18:15 his car was probably not where he parked it when the Con was over...

[@superchuck3259]

Lucky that many car keys now days require a chip inside the key to allow the car to start!

[@BobMarley-bp6sh]

I watched this one video of some people who made a metal mold of a key out of clay and poured melted lead in it and they did open a lock once. If they only knew what they were doing it would have been considerably easier.

[@BobMarley-bp6sh]

Ok well I guess I get to eat this comment with side of crow. The do make keys that way. Surely they use something stronger than lead like some kind of alloy that has a higher melting temperature and stronger.

[@NicksStuff]

28:00: didn't you have to pick it to remove the lock from the door?

[@Null--]

Only if you are outside the door - then you either pick the lock to get inside or enter somehow else. If you are inside, you can remove the lock cylinder without a key.

[@NicksStuff]

@@Null-- I was thinking Euro cylinders, I'm not used to the American ones

[@johnfrancisdoe1563]

Nick's Stuff The technique works for euro cylinders too, at least if it has a thumbturn.

[@MrV1NC3N7V3G4]

I can't even find Pack-A-Punch for sale anymore. (I may have seen a used one for sale but didn't necessarily trust it to be in working order)

[@chaos.corner]

If nothing else, if you press something into your skin and hold it, it will retain the pattern for a few minutes.

[@CGoody564]

This doesn't seem very viable

[@Lodinn]

@@CGoody564 Spraying something over it or heating it up with a lighter is somewhat more viable (rip skin in the second case though)

[@CGoody564]

@@Lodinn very true. I would think the second option would be reserved for very bad situations, but it would work. I'm not exactly sure you'd want to brand yourself for a keyprint in most reasonable scenarios. And I'm not saying what OP said won't work; it just doesn't seem optimal and likely to fail in many cases.

[@temptor7585]

be even better if you have edema

[@melkiorwiseman5234]

Then take a photograph of the pattern in your skin with your mobile phone before the pattern fades.

[@donniehodges9857]

did anyone get to level 3?with the lock picking.

[@tadferd4340]

My house key has a direct code on it. It's also a really terrible pattern. Just decending from shoulder to tip. Thanks hardware store. Fantastic bitting.

[@eriequiet]

Now I need to figure out how to get an Id1 sized card printed with grid on one side, black on the back, and a slit for keyway

[@johnsmith-fz3qk]

he's great this fella.

[@prodbydramatic]

another great one. Im def gonna try takin pictures of my keys thank you deviant

[@over00lordunknown12]

This talk was amazing and very informative, thank you Deviant! (Also, props for promoting those charities!)

[@m.s.g1890]

Can't they use very hard rubber coatings or some such on the picking tools to prevent visible scratching?

[@lobrundell4264]

If I didn't admire Deviant already, I would have after that charity plug. Goddamn what a good way to use screen time

[@DeviantOllam]

Thank you so much

[@fiddlesticksbessette398]

YOU REALLY SHOULD NOT USE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN.GOD DONT DAM NOTHING.THAT WORD,WILL KEEP YOU FROM WINNING THE LOTERY,OR MABY NOT HELPING YOU GET WELL IF YOU GET DEATHLY ILL.I WOULD NEVER TAKE THAT CHANCE IF I WERE YOU..UGH..

[@MasterCommandCEO]

Sheesh lol Love this presenter everyone should hire him for lock and security testing

[@xyz39808]

24:03 "Get the direct bititng code" Or just buy the key and save yourself the time of duplicating the key yourself using the code.

[@CristalianaIvor]

yeah just what I thought lol

[@janrie7330]

Thanks for telling me how to open my schools Master lock lockers :D

[@Ghorda9]

just use a rake or shim

[@scottiedunnavan3834]

People over use this statement, but I seriously just learned so much from this video.

[@DeviantOllam]

so glad to hear it!

[@Quasihamster]

LockPickingLawyer meanwhile: Key? What for? I don't play the piano, thank you!?

[@ColinRichardson]

Counter point. Do you want Lock picking Lawyer being "on the job" or would you rather clone a key and give it to some grunts to use and get in. In chess, would you send your queen to fight in the trenches if you are unsure of the whole board?

[@merlinious01]

If he wants to perform surreptitious entry, why not use materials softer than the pins/latches? That latch slip he shows could easily be done with a plastic hook (maybe nylon?) instead of a steel hook.

[@NetAndyCz]

Those softer materials are likely to leave some traces of them, kind of inverted scratches. And anything elastic that does not scratch the pins nor leave residue will be nightmare as a picking tool.

[@Milosz_Ostrow]

LockPickingLawyer doesn't need to see the key or even a photo of the key or a mold of the key. He'll pick your lock sight unseen, disassemble it and hand you the pieces.

[@MegaTp4]

But that is covert, this is surreptitious

[@jamcdonald120]

28:20 wouldnt the shim leave forensic marks?

[@RossMitchellsProfile]

Doubt they'd be easily detectable as they'd be marks at the same point as the sheer line in the lock.

[@jamcdonald120]

@@RossMitchellsProfile i duno, they would mark the backs of the pin stacks with drag marks and the top of the lock with lengthwise scratches, the shere line would mark pin sides and radial scratches

[@scottdonovan4841]

The marks may also just look like a locksmith repinning the lock, but I'm not sure

[@brenkrasmer]

Would love to see some numbers here, either in description or a pinned comment. Not anything too terribly esoteric, just one thing, although it may be hard to obtain these numbers: How many people attended the con, and how many people actually managed to unlock Deviant's challenges at these cons. This is not the only time I've seen him issue a challenge like this in a con. It's... I mean, obviously, these numbers are higher than what I would expect if I were to do this same kind of thing at DemoDerbyCon in Saskatchesota or something, but my morbid curiosity is itching for these kinds of stats. At 8:13 he begins to allude to it, and at 45:23, he explains the challenge.

[@pauls5745]

wow this con had a wealth of info

[@nemtudom5074]

Something he didn't talk about, is that if you carry a bar of soap with yourself, you could EASILY, push the key into it, and now you have the exact shape and measurements in like 3 seconds, which is significantly quicker than measuring with calipers, also, you can measure the soap negative shape later Edit: Nvm, his clay mold is essentially the same as my soap. Oh well, atleast i didn't make a fool of myself

[@andrewporter1868]

My question is: why not just use a key-shaped picking tool? Then for however many bits, you have a manual control for each individual bit. It would slide in like a normal key, but would have some micro architecturing to allow you to adjust individual bit depths and for which the tension increases as the resistance increases so that the form holds when removing from the lock. Then, not only do you have entry, but a key reverse-engineered from the lock itself. There's your universally surreptitious entry. Thanks, lock!

[@chemistrykrang8065]

That's how tubular lock impressioning tools work. There isn't really room to do that exactly inside a Yale type keyway, but the Lishi tool does allow decoding whilst picking. The disadvantage to this sort of approach (and impressioning or bumping) is that your tool/blank is specific to that keyway. That's the big advantage to picks - one set more or less works on all locks of that type.

[@andrewporter1868]

@@chemistrykrang8065 I'm not sure what you mean. It isn't universal if you can't impression the keyway also in addition to changing the bitting (and keyway) on the fly. It would be a modular key that fits any lock and unlocks most "standard" locks. You'd need something absolutely esoteric to defeat it is the point (as we laugh and point at modern "security" devices). Something more creative than "insert key and turn to open", like... a helicoid key, and a pin system in which all pins must be of correct distance simultaneously to actuate as opposed to individually such that each pin must be simultaneously set in the correct position, so even if you did make a unique tool for the lock, you are still subject to the exponentially many permutations. I'm no lock expert, though. I'm curious to know if StuffMadeHere will make a v3 lock 🤔

[@chemistrykrang8065]

@@andrewporter1868 I don't think it's really feasible to make a "universal" decoding/impressioning tool in the way I think you mean. There's just too little space in the keyway to have actuators pass through to each bitting position - in some locks with aggressively paracentric keyways it's hard enough getting a pick to one pin at a time... the decoder/impressioner works well for tubular locks because you've got straight top down access to each pin separately. In a standard pin-tumbler lock the same thing would have to involve 6 or 7 tiny actuators along the key and all of their pushrods/activation wires coming back past the other actuators in a tiny space... when getting around the warding in high end locks already requires a 0.018" pick in many cases and some (Assa flexcore) also have deliberately obstructed keyways. It's even less feasible for things like disc detainer locks - they've got relatively open keyways but the only way to address 7 discs would be to have 7 actuating "picks" on nested concentric tubes to manipulate them from the outside - there's just not space for it. Disc detainer picks that deal with rear/mid tensioning locks are already finicky and delicate enough... And then you get into esoteric locks like those with interactive keys/pins (mul-t-lock), pin in pin chambers, rotary elements (medeco), and magnets (Avocet ABS and a few others)... and you end up back where we started: Either highly specific tools for a particular lock, or a kit of picking tools that works on a wide variety of locks but require a lot of skill.

[@andrewporter1868]

@@chemistrykrang8065 Meh, I'm just suggesting that there ought to be a way to cover, say, 80 or 90% of locks with one (relatively) cheap device, and not strictly including some actually good, high security locks (such as those by Assa et al.). I've seen plenty of LPL, however, to be convinced that it can exist. even for incredibly small keyways. I just like engineering in general, though I specialize in software engineering. It is probably quite expensive, but I would love to try microengineering in this regard some day. I just don't have the workspace for it. Something on the microscopic form factor. Consider the complexity of a single bacterium or amoeba. Consider microprocessors. Why not try microengineering? Yes, I'm sure there's plenty to be said from watch making, but that isn't exactly small enough. Imagine said device can manage 7 pins (or even 8) in the form factor of the thinnest pick currently available. This would be quite a fun project! :D

[@chemistrykrang8065]

@@andrewporter1868 I don't think the materials exist to make something sufficiently rigid for it to work with the tiny components necessary. I've worked on very small scale fabrication myself (down to a few nanometers and checking my work with an SEM or AFM - but that's another story) and I can't see a way to do it robustly. For the majority of cheap locks bump keys, electric pick guns, or just good old fashioned raking work much of the time anyway.

[@chaos.corner]

What do you think about epoxy for key casting? I know it's not as durable as metal but for one or two uses, I'm thinking it might be fine.

[@Abdega]

It should work, if the cross-linking reaction for the epoxy heats up too quickly it might cause some warping, but assuming it is all the right dimensions it should work just fine. On “The Modern Rogue” they used a 3D printed PLA for a key that worked

[@chaos.corner]

@@Abdega The stuff in the kit I'm thinking of seems to be fairly dimensionally stable. I'm intending to cast an Audi key. Won't help with starting, of course.

[@Abdega]

@Chaos Corner That might work for opening the doors. Thing is, I feel like I saw somewhere that some car key systems check the resistance of the key as well (along with the rfid and the like). If the door lock is purely mechanical, it should work though. Keep us updated on how it works?

[@totallyrandomlocksandpicks]

Love the casting don't know where I first saw it mentioned other than another picker doing it, great way to #open Abloy or Medeco ...anything lol Great talk! Bit about forensics was cool too! :)

[@BlueCollarBachelor]

Traveler hooks were originally used to install travelers on ring spinning machines. This is a better use.

[@patchouli_s75]

the lock on my drawer is so bad that I could pick it with scissors, simply applying pressure. nothing more.

[@grahamr6545]

I had a cheap safe one, could "pick" the bypass lock with the blunt end of a tension wrench..

[@patchouli_s75]

that's not as bad as mine though

[@daytonrogers821]

Peterbilt motors company uses same sclague compact punch as featured toward end of video. Also # of keys is not alot. They fit on a big ring 😁

[@daytonrogers821]

Some men that work the parts counter can grab your key look at it, know the numbers and punch it out real quick. Hats off my brothers that know there shit. Love

[@daytonrogers821]

Love you peterbilt. Better start getting on that Tesla level/ railroad engine level. Before the switch is made.

[@paulmorrey733]

Very interesting Thanks

[@mikkenieminen9603]

Scary stuff

[@mikkenieminen9603]

So where can i find a secure lock or do i need big hounds to guard my place???

[@nosidenoside2458]

both

[@AdamSteidl]

If you don't want to type the github link at 14:45 github.com/deviantollam/decoding

[@beastboy0078]

I NEED to come out to this sometime. This is cool and fun. I want to know more. My GEAR head is turning.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

very interesting info

[@Ben333bacc]

42:25 play @ 50% its musically amazing. As soon as he says FUCKABUNCHAFILING hit your back arrow. Rinse and repeat!

[@Alan.Bishop]

How about the Master "V" series (lock model 1525) V20? (4 pin small pin series)?

[@melkiorwiseman5234]

Some locks aren't really meant to be secure, but are more like elaborate "catches" since almost any key which will fit in the hole will open the lock. Example: Last Christmas my family and I visited a friend for Christmas lunch. She wanted to open a case which had good silverware in it, but had mislaid the key. I keep a key on my keychain which is for a set of "toy" handcuffs (any key made for that design of handcuffs will open any set of handcuffs of that design). I thought for a second, then pulled out my handcuff key and unlocked the case. Took maybe 10 seconds including murmuring "I wonder..." before trying the key.

[@spacepirateivynova]

If he says he can decode a medeco key, how does he decode pin-rotation? I'd assume one needs a VERY specific picture or set of pictures to do so. Medeco high-end locks have a side-bar that requires the pins to be rotated in a proper position on the z axis, as well as up and down in the y-axis.

[@thecaneater]

2:55 Shoutout to Bosnian Bill!

[@aw7248]

I wonder if that Medeco you photographed was biaxial...