Will Crowley and Aziraphale become HUMAN in the end?

[@carmenv5160]

I like the idea of God making Aziraphale and Crowley guardians of humanity. They are the only entities who Love the Earth and all it's creatures.

[@Temptation666]

yes that is what i hope too

[@ironvlogger9712]

Yes that’s what I’m hoping Although I don’t know if god will even be involved It’ll most likely be just the boys taking that mantle for themselves

[@kesapupu]

I like that too!

[@Temptation666]

@@ironvlogger9712 maybe Adam and Jesus join forces and do it then. I also don't think God should get involved herself. It feels a little like a cop-out

[@ironvlogger9712]

@ yeah it’s possible especially Jesus being included is very likely given how he’s the center of that event Like if Jesus is involved I can see him and the boys taking matters into his own hands and declaring that the boys keep the world safe and keep H&H in check And god works best as a mysterious entity that comes and goes and may never know their true intentions

[@lovebug2284]

I absolutely refuse to entertain the idea of “rewarding” Aziraphale and Crowley by making them human. 6000+ years of pining, three or so decades of togetherness followed by being separated for rest of eternity - after all, Crowley is damned - is a punishment, not a reward. If I want to see them as human there is tons of fanfic for that. Let’s please keep them canonically supernatural. They deserve that.

[@soundOfsilence-h7n]

I honestly hate the idea of them becoming human. They’ve spent thousands of years apart, and they should get just as long to be together. Not just a handful of decades.

[@aAureliusSsSS]

My main reason for wanting them to keep their immortality and live that immortal existence until the end of time in their cottage, is the fact that they have so much lost time to make up for. We all know about the 6000+ year long pining, so I personally would find it terribly disappointing if they couldn't make up for all that time they spent dancing around one another They should have billions of years left in their love, it transcends mortality It'd be a shame to watch them finally realise their love and settle down, only for that to be further disturbed by their eventual mortal deaths. Whilst I see the argument that perhaps in a mortal death, they could proceed to see each other in their afterlife, however I just don't see it as very fitting. At least not for them! It's difficult to explain, but j truly don't want to see them become mortal if it means that their love/connection will once again be disturbed for the thousandth time

[@mikkareads]

Same! For them, the average lifespan would feel like the blink of an eye, and they deserve more.

[@clarestubbs9303]

At the end of "Memories of Eden" Azi dies having fallen and become human. Crowley is devastated and grieves until he realises (with a little nudging from Adam and a vicar) that he can live with Azi in Heaven. I love this ending because it means that can be together, but it means that they have to leave the Earth they love. Bittersweet. I am just like you, I can see both sides and keep changing my mind in whether I think it's a good ending or not. I think that it's a definite possibility.

[@ironvlogger9712]

Yes good point they deserve a happy long existence together

[@lisasmith2465]

NG dismissed this idea earlier this year, so it clearly wasn't part of Terry's vision for the end of the series; I can't imagine Terry's estate approving such an idea even if someone were to ever suggest it.

[@danielarossi8571]

I just need to see them together.....

[@fala.sylwianna]

I can't imagine them not keeping their immortality. That would be simply heart-breaking if they were to be separated again. I really hope it won't come to this but it's one of the posibilities. Of course, I may change my mind, depending on the execution of that scenario. It's a really tough matter to me.

[@letolethe3344]

Maybe, if human souls are immortal (they seem to experience eternity in hell, at least though we never see them in heaven), they could still be together somehow?

[@nancyrogan8985]

As Crowley says, 'After 6000 years, the engine is just getting warmed up!' I would prefer they remain immortal beings wherever they choose to be, continuing to be collaborating but with the embracing of their unshakeable love for each other that neither has to question. Solid. Forever.

[@Temptation666]

I hope not. To make them human/mortal would be the same as killing them Side note: I read a lot of fanfiction but i almost always pass by the ones where they are or become humans. It simply do not interest me. It change them to much for my liking. In my eyes people could just as well call them Ben and Jerry instead, if all they got in common with the original Crowley and Aziraphale is the name and their love.

[@letolethe3344]

Absolutely agree with not caring for human AU fanfic. I've just never seen the charm. As ordinary humans, they're not the characters I love. Their supernatural powers and immortality give them a unique perspective and unique existential concerns.

[@ADropofScottish]

One of the big objections to the boys becoming human: physical suffering. They may already empathize with a lot of it as they interact with the humans in their lives, but experiencing it on a tangible level isn't worth letting go of the pain-free physicality they currently enjoy. And, they would lose the capacity to go to Alpha Centauri, or anywhere else in the universe, if they became human, so they'd cut themselves off from the possibility of many, many adventures!

[@Temptation666]

and they will die in what to them is a blink of the eye. Basically compared to what for us would be a death sentence carried out immediately.

[@letolethe3344]

Do they live a pain free existence? They're immortal, yes, and I'm sure they can heal any wounds, but I don't remember it being specified they never feel pain. We don't see them having pain in the book or the series, but they could experienced pain before healing, maybe from accidents or encounters with hostile humans.

[@Temptation666]

@@letolethe3344 pretty sure they feel pain when they get hurt and their bodys/corporations can die

[@Allegro11Maestoso]

​@@letolethe3344We do see them being in pain a few times actually, in season 1. Aziraphale even gets punched by Sandalphon

[@BrainStemmedFlower]

They definitely experience emotional pain with regard to one another if they think the other one is in danger or irretrievably lost as in the aftermath of the bookshop fire and in the final fifteen.

[@letolethe3344]

I've always thought it was odd in GO that we don't see human souls in heaven as we do in hell. We know from Aziracrow's conversation in s1e1 (discussing which composers are "one of ours", i.e., have gone to hell) that some souls go to each place. If all human souls are immortal and they could be together after dying, I might be reconciled to this ending.

[@FrolleinFroschbein]

We see souls go to deeper levels in hell, so they don't hang around in the upper office levels beyond waiting to be processed. Heaven is HUGE, and we see the part are the ones where the archangels hang around. I guess in Heaven souls are immediately processed, there's no need to come up with a punishment fitting the souls crime. You were good, you got to heaven, off to your locker.

[@tobykai6]

In the interview where David Tennant said he was satisfied with the ending in the scripts, he also said he wouldn't have minded doing the series every two years. That seemed to imply a finality to the original ending.

[@vyle6132]

Ok, so for me. The human ending while bittersweet and is a norm that most people tend to take. Its not GO's style. GO tends to make spin the usual trope in their own comedic way that either favors the characters or make the audience think more deeply into the concept of the trope itself or both. If the og ending that David likes has only minor tweaks, then I think the human route is more unlikely since i dont think David would be satisfied with an ending where Crowley would be with Aziraphale but eventually would lose him. Or could just be me really coping for the immortal cottage core.

[@letolethe3344]

Since human souls are immortal in this universe (at least the ones that go to hell; strangely, we haven't seen any souls in heaven), hopefully they'd still be together after human death.

[@PixelSE46]

I think they should stay as angel/demon for 2 reasons: 1. They should be able to be together literally for all of eternity it’s 6000 years of slow burn and they better get a happy ending 2. The point of the show is that it is two friends (lovers) on either side of a war, showing how you can do anything regardless of alliances and sides Also Angel/Demon is a cool trope and Crowley calling Azi ‘Angel’ is cute So fight me (Please don’t I have the bravery of a chicken nugget)

[@LindaRose-v6g]

I don't care so much about whether they become human so much as that they realize they love each other & need each other, which they do. Love is such a complex thing & I have always felt that if you are lucky enough to find it then you need to cherish & protect it with all of your heart. They need to do that, too, whatever their circumstances end up being.

[@BirgitPa]

Wonderful video as always, thank you❣️ Personally I’m absolutely no fan of the idea that Aziraphale and Crowley turn into humans. What a horrible imagination! They were living for more than 6000 years, just found to one another and then damned to die within two or three decades - if not earlier by an accident. They deserved more time “together“. Fortunately, there is no evidence of such a scenario and there is no comparable story from GO's past in which an angel or demon would have become human. Why would they be? After all, they are supernatural’s.

[@blackletter2591]

Humans are not the epitome of life on earth. Let them just continue.

[@w1ndchas3r86]

It would be strange if they became human, then died, and had to either A. spend their afterlives separated forever B. Spend the afterlife together (neither of them like being in heaven or hell)

[@beybladebaby]

At least give them another 6,000

[@BentPaperClip]

Since Season 2 I’ve always thought it will end with Aziraphale and Crowley facing their death at the end of the world and then they hold hands and perform a big miracle along with all the humans trying to save Earth. And the miracle makes it so that they can stay on Earth and all other angels and demons also have free will to live there if they want.

[@letolethe3344]

One enjoyable but extremely unlikely theory came to me when we saw how immensely powerful their tiny joint miracle was in season 2: Aziraphale and Crowley, together, make up God. One or more powerful supernatural beings somehow subdued God, wiped her memory, and split her into two outwardly fairly minor beings to dilute her power. And that's why no one's heard from God in eons. I realize that God talking to Aziraphale in s1e3 (asking him about his sword) pretty much makes this impossible. But it's fun to imagine.

[@letolethe3344]

Another theory I've entertained is that the finale will end with heaven and hell making peace, forced or talked or tricked into it by Aziracrow (and maybe others). That would mitigate likelihood of continuous end-times scenarios where they try to defeat the enemy. Not sure where human souls would go after that; maybe Upstairs and Downstairs would become one joint operation.

[@catfancier270]

I think people think of this ending because Crowley needs a way to be with Aziraphale after Judgement Day, because he will either be in Hell eternally or be destroyed. Becoming human gives a possible solution (their souls would be in a Heavenly afterlife together). I personally do not want this, but Crowley’s fate post Apocalypse needs to be addressed in the show in my opinion.

[@AmyHeidman]

There were hints in S2 that Crowley will meet God again.

[@oakstrong1]

If there is no second coming there is no judgement day. Besides, with people *already* put into Hell or Heaven, what is the judgement for?

[@CharlotteStringer-i1q]

I absolutely agree that Spock has wanted to be fully human sometimes, but I also, for the record, just wanted to point out that many times Spock has also been happy being part Vulcan, sometimes being (playfully? Seriously? Both?) offended at someone telling him he’s acting human. That’s it, carry on, have a lovely day 😊

[@jeanninecalder3652]

Wouldn’t being human make them defenseless against those in hell and heaven that hate them?

[@letolethe3344]

One "subtheory" holds that they'll end up bringing down or subduing heaven and hell entirely.

[@Temptation666]

@@letolethe3344 with no hell or heaven. Human souls has nowhere to go. It is established in GO that the soul is eternal. So what happens to them? Both the past and future dead

[@BytheBentley]

Great video as always.....my "hope" is that they retain their immortality at least to some degree, but not become human. Heck, they've been on earth for over 6000 years without Heaven or Hell making much of a problem for them, at least not to Aziraphale. Crowley does get punished at times, but he's always back at it. Disrupting the Second Coming, and hopefully a reappearance of God (and possibly saving Heaven from Metatron) to give them their reward of being left in peace, in South Downs, together and immortal. The ending will be what Terry wanted and Rob will see to that. They will basically just retire with Muriel running the bookshop.

[@Allegro11Maestoso]

But but but the bookshop is not a bookshop! It's Aziraphale's library and houses his collections, why would he want to be apart from it? It's not his actual job, it's his passion

[@catfancier270]

I assume their country cottage will be quite large with one floor being Aziraphale’s library/reading room.

[@letolethe3344]

I desperately don't want want this to be the ending we get, because I want them to be around forever, but I think it's what we'll get. It would fit in with G's somewhat dark/bittersweet approach to plotting (I'm not as familiar with Pratchett's), giving one happy scene but tinging it with a sad circumstance. I know G isn't writing the final script, but I imagine it will include at least some of his plot points. in s1, we get a happy ending with the restaurant scene, but just before that, in the park, Crowley predicts "the big one" with all the supernatural entities against humanity. And the ending of s2--need I say more?

[@leoreadss]

I don't think (want) them to become humans because that would mean they'd be subject to human law, like one of the most annoying things humans keep doing, which is dying. I hope they'll stay ethereal.

[@DarkBandicoot]

Absolutely not. I believe turning them human would be bad writing and just... sad. They don't need to BE human to appear AS human. Their whole thing is "I am an angel, you are a demon", "I'm the good one, you're the bad one". I like that dynamic! They've also known each other since before time existed. To turn that into probably a maximum of 40 years is DEVASTATING, and having one die before the other (unless someone they die together, but that also sounds awful, since it would likely have to happen via an accident of some kind) is just heartbreaking to think about. Aziraphale mourning Crowley, or Crowley mourning Aziraphale, living the rest of their days alone. Because, let's be honest, who have they got apart from each other, really?

[@letolethe3344]

Well, hopefully through 40 years on earth as humans they'd learn to cultivate friendships with other humans, but I get your point.

[@lenastutzki6993]

I think the idea of ​​the two becoming human is cute, but I'm not a fan. Without the skills they've always had, I don't see them getting along. Crowley’s driving style alone will end the whole thing very quickly. They would actually have to reserve a table at the Ritz, cook, and realize that something that wouldn't have bothered them before could suddenly become painful and, in the worst case scenario, fatal. Both Aziraphale and Crowley only know existence with the abilities they have. Losing them is not a win, because you are exchanging a fragile togetherness for another that, in the worst case, can be over in a few hours. I like the idea that they can spend their lives together on Earth. Like the guardians of humanity that they already are. Just without heaven and hell on your back.

[@katsmith1031]

I see one of three options… 1) AziraCrow becoming the “official” guardians of humanity, ideally after Both Sides agree to truly butt out and let humans do their thing, as our two ineffable husbands prove that they, more than literally anyone in the universe, love and understand gods creation. 2) AziraCrow becoming human - perhaps as a consequence of the power they might need to expend while working together to Put It Right - and either aging normally together or simply remaining immortal for as long as they choose to, much like Hob Gadling in the Sandman (I prefer the second option, obviously). 3) AziraCrow merging to share one body - as Az will presumably be giving his up when he takes over as Supreme Archangel (as it was hinted at in S1, plus we already know the two are more powerful together) to Put It Right, but in the process effectively being able to take over for God for the earth given their hands-on experience from their 6,000+ years on Earth and their demonstrated love and commitment to it. Who is to say that God isn’t ready for a new adventure Herself and Planned all along on worthy successors to reveal themselves, especially given the power and perspectives that come from the union of opposites Bonus option that sort of ties together all three of the ones above: AziraCrow (along with GabrielZebub) demonstrate to God that the angels that the demons all used to be aren’t necessarily truly lost, and pairing that with the absolute hash the angels and demons together have made of things, God decides to “promote” all of the demons and all of the angels to full human status - God’s favorites - with clean slates, wiped memories (and all pain gone) and their own new shiny souls to live a regular life and then die the same as all of us do (am not sure what happens to the denizens of Hell if this happens, since if demons can be redeemed then certainly human souls can, but that’s more a topic for another series, such as Lucifer). If this happens, our AziraCrow would be given the choice to either join them in the reset or remain the guardians they have become of God’s most favored children for as long as AziraCrow think they’re needed. I personally think it’s likely to be a combination with elements of all three, but in any case, I can’t wait to see how it shakes out!

[@kalessinsdaughter5460]

Personally I would feel a bit let down if they became human. Their struggle isn't with a lack of humanity; it's with the divide and animosity between Heaven and Hell, about being forced to choose a side. And what makes them special, what defines them, is their refusal to play that game, and their hard-won capacity for free will and choice. Becoming human would, in my eyes, just... take away all that. Poof, all the dynamics underlying their complicated relationship, everything that makes them _them_ gone, erased, made nothing. I wouldn't find that satisfying. And I don't think _they_ would, either. Like the video says, they've never expressed such a desire. It would be a massive sacrifice, with no reward. What I think they _would_ want is for Heaven and Hell to stop fighting. To stop competing for human souls. To stop forcing angels and demons to choose. To be allowed to be themselves, without fear of retribution. It's easy to draw parallels between their struggle for their right to be who they are and to love each other, and with the issues queer people face. I guess to me, an ending where they have to become human to be together would feel as wrong as a queer romance story ending with the romantic leads having to magically become a straight chishet couple to be together.

[@letolethe3344]

What is "chishet"?

[@netherfield2000]

I am very weirded out by the thought of them becoming human. It brings to mind sci-fi/fantasy stories where people lose their "special powers" and rapidly age, die and decompose to skeletons. Can we get a FF of them becoming like Benjamin Button and de-aging down to babies? ;-)

[@krissy510]

I hope they don't. They've waited six thousand years to be together, they deserve to be together for eternity, not just a few decades they'd have as humans.

[@versa8706]

If Crowley and Aziraphale were to turn human in the end I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the end at all. They might live out the rest of their human lifes together and then die but that wouldn't mean obliteration. I really think they'd both go to Heaven (whatever he says, Crowley IS a good person) and live out eternity in their cottage up there. On the other hand... that would leave earth and humanity without someone to protect them from the occasional idiocy and the resulting ideas and actions occuring both, Up Above and Down Below. It might be in humanity's best interest to keep Aziraphale and Crowley as some kind of immortal guardian (read: buffer) between earth and the occult/ethereal forces. In the end it doesn't really matter to me if they turn human or not, the only important thing is that they find their ways back to each other and get to spend eternity together, one way or another.

[@letolethe3344]

Agree with just wanting them to stay together. I also agree that becoming human doesn't necessarily mean they'd be torn apart. I'm wondering if they'll destroy or make peace between heaven and hell so all souls would end up together.

[@Vixin24]

I'm very rarely a fan of this trope of the immortal or powered character losing their powers/becoming mortal etc at the end of the story. With some rare exceptions it always takes away something from the story. For GO, I don't even think it would make sense. They've never shown any desire to be human and while they love humanity, they are always somewhat separate from it. They also use their divine powers regularly, they wouldn't last a week without powers. But more than that, it would be unnecessarily cruel. After the millenia of pining, they deserve infinite millenia more of being together. The argument that they could live mortal lives and die and be together forever in heaven or wherever is dumb because they already have that. They're already divine beings, they don't need forever in heaven. Plus how would they handle being reduced to human fodder for heaven and hell to mess with in their next war? What I'd much prefer to happen is for them to become guardians of earth/humanity, watching over humans and keeping them safe from whatever crap heaven and hell are trying to pull.

[@kayrosis5523]

I don't think that Crowley and Aziraphale should or will become human. But I do get the very strong feeling that will fight their respective realms on behalf of humanity, that because they spent so much time with God's most chosen of creatures, they have watched Humans do things more evil than any Demon could imagine, and more good than any Angel could understand. I think they will come to see that it's humanity's seeming imperfections and struggles that actually make individual humans less than individual demons or angels, but make humanity as a whole far greater than Heaven or Hell could ever hope to be. Honestly I strongly sense a finale where Crowley leads humans into a battle against Hell, and Aziraphale leads humanity into a battle against Heaven. If not like a full on military battle, an epic confrontation which collapses Heaven and Hell, and it just becomes Humanity and God, Because God was always beyond Capital E Existence, and Humanity is growing into it's maturity within Capital E Existence. From the very beginning, it says God is playing an ineffable game, that no one else can really put into words, and treating the whole existence of Heaven and Hell as a warming up the engine for making Humanity become it's best self, seems like a playful thing that would make God smile.

[@marzettik]

I honestly like both theories. I don't think I would be upset either way. I just want to see them together. We definitely need another kiss! Lol. It would be cool though, if there was a scene with them meeting God and finally being able to "ask the questions". I think they need to stay on Earth...maybe become it's caretaker or guardian. But with David saying he likes the ending that means good things. ❤

[@victoriar4637]

I would love it if they get to talk to God and ask her questions 💛

[@HanaAdamová-v9e]

I don't know what the screenwriters will come up with, but when I consider various myths where immortal beings lost their mortality, in most cases it was out of love when they decided to live with a mortal person. Either in such a case they gave up their mortality voluntarily, or it was taken away from them by their immortal family - or their society (gods, spirits, fairies..). I don't recall any immortal being becoming mortal as punishment (and I don't feel like flipping through my dictionaries on mythology to see if I can find such a situation :-) So my guess is that their immortality could remain, because as a couple they are both immortal. And heaven and hell punish rather with torture and death and the promised good ending somewhat excludes killing them...

[@likecat7886]

I'm already having flashbacks to The End of Time pt 2./ ,,I don't wanna go" because of David. (And I watched it for the first time long after the initial airing of the episode and it STILL broke my heart😢)

[@fancyfans8609]

Thank you for mentioning Aragorn and Arwen! I think the analogy would be closer to Beren and Lúthien (Aragorn and Arwen's ancestors from The Silmarillion). They sacrificed themselves in the name of love and also sort of saving the world and were rewarded with mortal life together for a (comparatively) short time.

[@critchook]

Wings of Desire (it’s been done before, which makes me think it’s lies likely)

[@carolegreenall1919]

Or, a third option ..... "The Myth of the Missing Half: It is believed that when humans were initially created at the beginning of time, they had a different form than they have today. They were both male and female, with four arms, four legs, and a single head composed of two faces. Plato had Aristophanes, a great Greek theater and comedy writer, narrate the story of the Soulmates in 'The Symposium'. Plato describes it like this: 'According to Greek mythology, humans were originally created with four arms, four legs, and a head with two faces. Fearing their power, Zeus split them into two separate parts, condemning them to spend their lives in search of their other halves.' Apollo, the God of music, truth and prophecy, healing, and light, couldn't take seeing them like this, so he patched them up, reconstructed their physical shapes, and only left the navel as a memory of their former selves. As a result, humans evolved from double-faced, double-sex creatures with aspects of humanity to single-faced, single-sex creatures with two arms and legs. And they yearned for their soul and bodily counterparts for the rest of their lives. Their body natures would yearn to be complete with the physical natures of the other sex, and their souls would ache for the other half of their soul, their soulmate, to be whole. And, according to myth, when these two parts find each other, they will have a wordless comprehension of one another, will feel connected and exist in sync with one another, and will experience no greater pleasure." What if the destiny of Azira and Crowley is to recombine and be together forever?

[@letolethe3344]

I thought I was the only one who had this theory! Considering that the original author (before Pratchett became involved, when it was a short story) said that he envisioned just one immortal being and then the plot evolved to having two, an angel and a demon, "reuniting" the two halves would seem fitting.

[@clairewilliams9416]

No I don’t want to see them become human maybe others could see it as a gift but I’d see it as simply taking something away from them in this case eternity quite a lot to give up when they already had human forms and fit into society reasonably well already. It took 6000 years for Crowely to even realise hes in love and make the first move and now we want to reduce his life to a few decades! it could fast forward them into something new but equally us humans well im a perfectly normal one and at 45 and only just now grappling with the fact that if i keep putting things off till tomorrow at one point i will run out of tomorrows and yet this has not yet stoped me from leaving things till tomorrow or next month or next year!

[@annabellehawking8395]

I would much prefer them to stay as they are, living together on Earth. Plus if they lose their powers then they won’t be able to go to Alpha Centauri for a holiday 🥰 They’ve simply GOT to have the option to go ❤

[@daiafire7870]

If these two don’t get a form of happily ever after, I’m going to sink into the abyss of AO3 and never come out… like hiding in a large pile of stuffed animals.

[@ericamacs3875]

I always prefer an open ending, and love the bittersweet. My fave is Casablanca, that really set the tone for that kind of ending where there is always hope. I like to be able to write fan fiction in my head about what could happen next. I don't want them to become human purely because it is a bit overdone, even Barbie did it! I feel it's a bit boring now. But it's up to them how it ends, so we will see.. I tend to think it will end with them having the cottage, although he has to keep his bookshop! And a parcel arriving there for them.. from Agnes.

[@critchook]

I love the Hob Gadling story

[@likecat7886]

Another Doctor Who deep cut into immortality: Captain Jack Harkness. Okay technically he isn't immortal the same way Azi and Crowley are (And we did see him ,,die", but I will not get into that here, because I fear I will start a civil war if I do😅), but he faced the nueances of immortality, and learned to accept it through a few ceturies of living.

[@StubbyandShifu]

I do want them to somehow find each other and some happiness. If they become human, it makes a physical relation more probable, but it isn't certain. Their deaths would also be so tragic. Are they guaranteed to be together in heaven or hell? If they remain immortal, they can be in love and be together in any way they want. And we can also make up our own stories. I hope they remain immortal. Thanks for always giving us so much.

[@klairikrali7025]

I want them to be aziraphale and crowley. An angel and a demon. Together for eternity!

[@harunozenya]

if it's happen it will be sooo disappointing :(

[@nevertimetotryagain]

I think actually the anti-trope is someone regretting their immortality. Look at the extensive vampire literature - sometimes they get tired of life, but most don't.

[@Michelle-s2z6l]

I just need them together, i don't even want to buy the second season because of how mad they were at each other.

[@pikaboubou]

There are quite a few ways the ending could go, and as much as I love 'Pinocchio' stories (as in something that is not human wants to become human) I feel like that might be too predictable of an ending for this story. Both authors seem to not like to take the easy way out in a story, so I'm mentally preparing for some sort of tears.

[@tracybartels7535]

I was having this discussion on Bluesky just a few days ago. I'm not sure when it came to me as a possibility, but I've read a lot and I'm pretty sure I've seen people be punished/demoted to mortality before, not as the ideal (yes, I did Star Trek and that belonging does fit in), but I think because the only way they can truly be free is the destruction of the entire system. System destroyed- what happens to them? Mortality is a possibility as there is no longer power to draw from Heaven or Hill as they are destroyed (this could also be good or bad for dead humans, but we don't know much about that since we've never seen humans in Heaven). It's probably honestly LOTR that made me think of becoming mortal. If Heaven and Hill do remain, it could be an agreement, yes, freedom in exchange for humanity, angels and demons must obey and are linked, but humans are free, they are currently in a middle ground and it's causing their problems. I remember the first time I heard David say his thing about "a good ending", it was that awful day on Tumblr before The Awful Day-- so, May or June? Anyway, when he said that I was seized with the immediate certainty of the mortality theory and I don't know why.. Do I want it? No. Did I think about the other angels and demons? No. We don't actually know what they do, but I imagine in the dismantling of their respective workplaces, there will be intermingling and more travel to Earth such as Muriel is doing (a reason to show Muriel at all) but that's a lot of immortal beings. And would they be immortal without powers? Mortal with? Some mix? Who knows. I know from Bluesky that we were told that there aren't actually 10 million per side, but there must be loads. Aziraphale and Crowley are currently very human and it just feels right but it also feels awful. I don't have an answer. I was told that they never were human, kind of like a person can't become a cat, but that also doesn't feel right. This is not coherent because I'm beyond exhausted but that won't change and there are thoughts here. I think part of it is difficulty with the concept of immortality, but also it is attractive because human lives ARE too short. But I agree that even if writing "comedy" the writers wouldn't hesitate to allow this change. I mean, in Small Gods, the example someone gave me was that the forgotten small gods didn't die, but they almost did, didn't they? They were away and they basically faded if I remember correctly, kind of faded away in some sort of storage, very similar to a death... Small Gods was written around the same time. But I definitely feel they likely will become human in canon and I likely will deny it in headcanon, and so it will go. It just feels that way to me. Of course, we will all see in time.

[@heathercurtis9972]

I never thought that Aziraphale and Crowley were human. I think they would be better if they were angel and demon. They could keep their powers and be together also.

[@antonellamR2D2]

Good video, I dislike the theory because I would want them to be like at the end of season 1 but more on love

[@nightowlsanonymous]

Interesting that this theory is gathering steam! Personally I would rather they stay immortal, but I don’t hate the human theory either. Yes it would be bittersweet, but I can see the appeal as well. For instance, what if one of them was ‘turned’ human against their will (I.e as ‘punishment’ for stopping the second coming or something) and the other, rather than live an immortal life without them, chose to become human as well so they wouldn’t have to live without the other (at least not for long). Bittersweet yes, but an undeniable declaration of how much they love one another.

[@aande3657]

just another reason I fear watching the last episode

[@lunabernhardt7680]

I believe both of them will actually lean more into their respective ethereal roles, spending more time in heaven and hell than previous seasons. As aziraphale is now an archangel, he’s gonna have more responsibility, and the war between heaven and hell will have them both preparing. They may even face each other in war.

[@Hadeslastspatula]

This has been my theory since day one and I will stand by it

[@Nicholasluv123]

That’s like 3 decades together and then being seperate forever is a horrible theory, I’m sorry 😭

[@letolethe3344]

I see why you think it will end this way, I have a feeling it will, though I hope it doesn't. G seems to like unexpected or twist endings (each of the first 2 seasons have a twist, s1 is them swapping bodies, s2 is obvious), and it would fulfill their character arc of identifying more with human things. The whole franchise is deeply humanist, a kind of a love letter to the best and worst of humanity. I just don't want them to ever die.

[@oakstrong1]

In my mind, Arizaphale and Crowley are immigrants sent by their bosses down to earth. Their thousands of years of shared human history, having to hide their true identity behind a mask of looking and behaving like humans is mentally stressful even if you generally enjoy the experience and find it interesting: it is such a mental relief to chat with someone who "speaks the same language" and can relate to your experience. It doesn't matter that your personalities don't match... So the pair, once amiacbly on the same side, is drawn to each other by their So they are drawn to each other by their circumstance and lack of choice. Were there other angels and demons with better matching personalities their frienship might never have developed. But Arizaphel and Crowley didn't have a choice - but I guess sharing 6000 years or so is enough for even angles to become friends despite their very different interests. Now, if the became fully human, having to earn money rather than just pretend, they would have a choice of a few of them would lead a very different lifestyle, with millions of other, like minded people and friendships they could allow to develop into deeper level... There would be a danger of the two drifting apart, first letters and then postcards becoming less and less frequent. I could see Arizaphel getting married and having kids, while Crowley, frustrated with humanity would stay single, maybe take a job as an agent for a rock band or a security guard, a nightglub owner..

[@GraupeLie]

I absolutely HATE this theory of them becoming mortal with every fibre of my being. It would feel so unfair to have them not be able to be together for literal aeons, only for them to be granted the lifespan of a mayfly to be together. It would be a punishment, ultimately separating them by death. Also, they may like watching humans, but actually being human, without their miracles? That would be horrible and wouldn't work. Having to earn a living? Crowley's way of driving would likely get him killed. Life is cruel and full of death and grief as it is already - let them, at least, have eterinity together. They aren't bored with being immortal - there's no need to literally clip their wings like that.

[@Barockisi]

I really, really, really don't want them to become human😖

[@Wolfmoon55191]

I can't wait to see season 3, they are so good together because they can always lean on each other, like my sister and me 😊 but I understand what you mean by this fact/reason....😊

[@MarxiaInachi]

Most importantly: if Aziraphale and Crowley will be turned in human, so Beelz and Gabriel have to. Which was never even mentioned. Maybe it is a point in S3, but was never mentioned at the trial. Actually, no punishment was really mentioned! I think that actually Crowley and Aziraphale would have the possibility to live immortally together on Earth as long as they don't interfere with Heaven and Hell - or they don't find a more definitive way.

[@catfancier270]

The only time I found an immortal becoming human satisfying was Arwen in Lord of the Rings.

[@oakstrong1]

How about this: Arizaphele finds out that God gone missing is because she has fallen in love and secretly lives with Satan - both of them want the apocalypse out of the way so they don't have to pretend being on opposite sides anymore. Arizaphele contacts Crowley and they hatch a plan that prevents apocalypse ever happening - neither Hell nor Heaven are permanent but finally their souls are sent back to earth fro a second chance (redemption). The really accomplished souls are eventually sent to inhabit a new planet and the souls without redemption are sent to another one. Then it's up to them to mould the planet into Heaven or Hell. Or the humans can choose themselves where they go. I forgot to mention our heroes. With the threat of Apocalypse on an infinite backburner Arizaphale and Crowley can "disappear in the crowd and carry on living among and observing humanity unnoticed as they had done, occasionally using just a little bit of magic to keep things interesting. Agnes Nut's descendant discovers she also has some supernatural powers, perhaps clearvoyancy and controlling minor demons.😊

[@Alex_itimia]

I feel like they will become human but will live forever. Maggie could very much be an angel/demon turned into a human, her great grand mother could be herself and they could use her as an example of a former angel/demon that got to enjoy life on earth as a human. (I dont like this theory but ive been finding it more or less plausible lately. I really hope im wrong tho)

[@Sendarya]

What does becoming human but living forever mean? Just losing their powers?

[@NotAFanOfHandles]

I mean, wasn't it agreed upon by Pratchett and -- back in 2006 that Crowley and Aziraphale retire to a cottage in the South Downs? So that should be part of the end. But cutting their lives short? Doubtful. In the novel, Death and Adam had a conversation: Death: "You cannot destroy me. That would destroy the world." Adam: "Oh, I don't know. There might be a way." Making Death win at the end just doesn't seem right.

[@victoriar4637]

I'm not sure how satisfying it would be if they become human, but maybe it would depend on how it happened. But it could be better than if only one of them becomes human, like in the fic Eden!Verse.

[@marial870]

I understand that some people dislike the idea, but if it's well-written, I wouldn't mind at all. As long as Heaven and Hell are gone, so they don't go there once they die.

[@marial870]

Now, the insane idea from Tumblr that Aziraphale might have a beard in season 3? Intense hatred from me, like I don't think I would be able to watch it if that was the case, LOL 😂.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

Oh my! What a conundrum. Sounds dumb but I haven't thought about what I want.

[@perkinsat]

I want them to become humans in the end. Because then we have the potential to have them come back later and if they look older that could be explained easier

[@letolethe3344]

Within the GO universe, how would they "come back later"? Are you theorizing that the finale will introduce reincarnation?

[@perkinsat]

@letolethe3344 I was thinking more like a spin off or a mini series. So David and Michael could play the characters again in the future.

[@letolethe3344]

@@perkinsat I see. That's an interesting idea.

[@kesapupu]

I hope too that they don't become human. As many others have pointed out, it would be so wrong that after 6000 years they aren't allowed to spend eternity together. But if they do become human, will there be an afterlife where their happy ending actually is? It would be kind of weird, but an interesting plot twist.

[@Ninapea]

To be honest, I think it'll be cute! I know most people would be furious or leave the fandom if it were to happen. I don't like how we get angry over the smallest things like this and the 90 minutes news. That's what really made me hurt, seeing all the angry comments from posts actually irritated me, not the news. I wish we were more happy and grateful. Ugh!🙄 But yeah, I do see Crow and Azi becoming human at the end. Well, actually, I don't care what ending we'll get. I know for sure it'll be a happy ending. I can hardly wait to see the finale. And I'm so, so, soooo thankful for the people who are working really hard on it. We need to be more thankful and kind to them.❤️

[@Temptation666]

i would not get angry. I would just lose interest.

[@mariawolver9235]

Это ужасная идея. 😢😢Они были всегда, и они прекрасны, как ангел медленно спустившийся вниз❤ и ангел. В русском интернете находила фанфик, где Кроули+Азирафаэль = Бог. Такой вот у нас странный бог, состоящий из двух противоречивые начал, которые любят друг друга, но не могут договорится о деталях. А Метатрон их психоаналитик 😂

[@letolethe3344]

I had a theory very similar to the the Crowley + Aziraphale = God idea!

[@mariawolver9235]

​@@letolethe3344когда смотрела 2 сезон тоже так подумала из-за слов Кроули "Да будет свет". Ещё натыкалась на теорию, что Бог не отвечает, потому что Бог был советом архангелов и этот совет сместили, попытавшись стереть им память, в том числе и Кроули. По этой теории сержант Шедуэлл тоже такой спрятавшийся архангел.

[@antrazitaj5209]

I do not want them to turn human and/or loose immortality

[@MetisRose95]

I guess I'm in the minority by having no strong opinion lol. I'm not rooting for it, but I wouldn't be upset about it either.

[@prestontaylor3154]

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[@prestontaylor3154]

Well, since 'test' is still there, I am going to give this vanishing comment one more try...and if it is hiding somewhere where I can't see it but boring others to pieces, my apologies....So...this was a really interesting and well thought out piece. But I am not sure Crowley isn't suffering fro boredom. When he makes his 'pointless' comment to Shax, he seems pretty bored...maybe also frustrated and a little depressed, but definitely bored. However, the appearance of Jimbriel , threatening his peaceful if boring existence, gets his attention pretty quickly. It sort of struck me that Crowley is like a dog in that he needs a job...or some kind ...to feel 'good', whereas Aziraphale is like a cat in that he creates his own pleasure. So maybe that is what will happen. They will be turned into a dog and a cat. How WILL our heroes cope??!!

[@LoveIsLove4711]

Had this thought -that they would become human-not long after watching the series last year. Have no idea where the idea came from. It wouldn’t surprise me if they chose that path for themselves. I also think there will be children.

[@Evelyn-h5q]

Honestly, I love this channel but this kind of speculation is a bridge too far for me. 2 of my friends are dealing with the death of a loved one and ... tx Sendarya your heart is in the right place. Pointless getting in the weeds to use contemporary jargon leads to .. more weeds. I am indeed having a bad day and refer anyone who is interested to Counsel of Geeks. Crowley and Aziraphale will live on whatever their incarnation, frankly free of this overinvestment. It gives me no pleasure to have been corrected by you, Sendarya like a scolding schoolmarm because your framing took precedence. With much affection and regret, am unsubcribing.

[@Temptation666]

You seem troubled. Best wishes

[@Evelyn-h5q]

@@Temptation666 Actually not, but thank you. For me this was turning into a cult. There was so much passive aggressive stuff going on in my view I am well out of it. I hated the '80s and don't need to be told how to think ever so kindly.

[@letolethe3344]

What do you mean corrected? Why would you leave something you love because you disliked a single video? That seems like it would hurt you.

[@Temptation666]

@@Evelyn-h5q i often disagree with Sendarya and others. And i say so. But i have never felt anyone here trying to force my mind. Neither do i have any wish to force anyone else to think like me. No two people are the same and that is good. If you do not like it here of cause you should leave. But I can't help thinking something else is really the matter. You did not like the 80s. Ok. I loved it so there we are different too. Take care of yourself.

[@Evelyn-h5q]

@@letolethe3344 yes it does hurt and the last thing I want to bring into question is the integrity of this remarkable channel. This was a personal decision and in no way reflects on Sendarya. I am an academic and didn't like being told how to interpret narrative. That well may reflect badly on me. This was a decision because I interpret this material a bit differently. Full stop.

[@catfancier270]

First!❤

[@MarxiaInachi]

Most importantly: if Aziraphale and Crowley will be turned in human, so Beelz and Gabriel have to. Which was never even mentioned. Maybe it is a point in S3, but was never mentioned at the trial. Actually, no punishment was really mentioned! I think that actually Crowley and Aziraphale would have the possibility to live immortally together on Earth as long as they don't interfere with Heaven and Hell - or they don't find a more definitive way.