Will it Chop, Or Will it Clap? Knock off B303 cam, Flow Masters: The Roach To Redemption Part 5

In this video we finally attempt to turn on my brothers V8 hatch!

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

This is the final sound clip of the car! kzbin.infonmG14O8axF8?si=uEnOrAQbKCeO0rs1

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

So this isn’t the final sound clip! I will be adjusting the timing on the car after my brother deals with the vacuum leaks and the rattling exhaust! At the moment the timing is too far advanced, I will have the final sound clip up soon!

[@91MustangLX]

I'm glad you got it running brother! I think it's awesome you're helping your brother out! A little fine tuning and you boys will be ready to rock and roll! Glad I found your channel, this is right up my alley. Coolest thing is I could hear the excitement in your voice, you were just as happy as your brother. Have a great weekend! Can't wait to see more!! 👊⚡️

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Definitely, I was stoked to have the car running, because it’s basically his daily car. Im sure you’ve experienced it too, I get tons of satisfaction from helping someone, because I’ve been at the flip side of that coin and there’s a bunch of awesome people that have helped me! Thank you so much for your support, your channel is the one that put me in touch with the awesome KZbin mustang community! 😎

[@91MustangLX]

@MrBlitzkrieg1987 I like the way you think, and I like your positive attitude! Glad you found our circle of idiocy 😂

[@NoFox_Given]

I think if you drop the idle about 100-150 RPM the cam will sound pretty good. Looked like it was at like 950 that’s a bit higher than you probably need with such a mild cam.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes, you’re right! When we put it together we had a couple of vacuum leaks I’m sure by now my brother fixed them, so I’ll go and back off the throttle screw just a bit to see if it sounds any better! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment I’ll be sure to check out your channel and subscribe!

[@MrMach1]

It's sounding good, I think once you get everything adjusted it will be fine. Have a great day!!!

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes, I completely agree! We’re honestly happy it even started 😂

[@BuellWala]

Just dropped the smaller brother of that cam (E303 Plus, pn 8900) into my Mountaineer, with ported heads, headers, intake... also has an automatic, the 4R70W, but the vehicle came stock with 3.73s and it's also AWD, so we'll see how it pulls pretty soon!

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

I am sure you will like it brother! I wasn’t expecting much but I was actually impressed by it. Please let me know your thoughts on it after

[@hotrodray6802]

Factory computer canNOT compensate for the mods. I'm betting that you'll have to go aftermarket PLUS a tune.

[@BuellWala]

@@hotrodray6802 Tuned using stock EEC-V computer which is running a REAC4 strategy, EQE3 catch code. Fires right up and drives like stock, except has massive amount of midrange and top end power. Used Binary Editor and a strategy definition from CoreTuning, which supports full datalogging.

[@BuellWala]

@@hotrodray6802 Managed to successfully tune the 302 with the E303+ cam using the stock EEC-V computer. It does trigger the misfire detection logic, however, so that really needs to be tuned out below 2000 RPM.

[@89notch]

Good work guys! I know you said you are going to adjust the timing, pretty sure you know this but just incase thought I would say it. Do a base idle reset. Probably will help you get a little better chop you are looking for. Again, great seeing another fox hitting the street hard.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

You’re completely right! And I had not thought of that, we actually replaced the throttle body and it came with a TPS installed, but who knows what it was adjusted to. Thank you, and I’ll be sure to try that as well.

[@89notch]

@@MrBlitzkrieg1987 all good bro. I think Brew2l has a good tutorial on doing the base idle reset if you need it for reference.

[@TheModAddict]

I love the process of things. I dont doubt that yall will have this chopping and running great soon.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Hey thanks for checking out this video and leaving a comment! I see you have a lot of Mustang content, I’ll be checking out your channel shortly.

[@TheModAddict]

​@@MrBlitzkrieg1987i appreciate that

[@jdrods1519]

Awesome video brother!!! 💪🏼 GT40 is a really good upgrade!!!

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Thanks for watching! I just noticed you also have a channel, I’ll be checking out and subscribing to is now!

[@BigStickStangs]

Great job! I know it has to feel good to have it rolling. I think it sounds great! 👊😎✌️

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes, my brother needed it to go to work today!!! So we rushed and finished it yesterday 😂… he’s loving it

[@jdedmnds1]

more chop does not mean more HP. dyno tests have proven the newer version of the B303 makes more HP.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Thanks for watching and yes, but you don’t really need a dyno test, the summit cam has more lift and also duration that favors the exhaust side, you can clearly feel the difference between both cams, Ive ran both cams and the summit makes more power! However some folks may be after that iconic B303 sound and you won’t get that from this cam. Ill be honest, for the money the summit cam is impossible to beat, I would run it again specially on a sleeper build 🤣💯.

[@SN95Power]

Dropping the idle will help the Chop sound

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes, it’s idling a bit high, once all the vac leaks are dealt with, I’m gonna grab a screwdriver and mess with the idle screw

[@bensgarage8325]

I just stumbled onto this channel but the guy at 2:50 looked familiar, did he work at Brake Masters before?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

The guy with the beard is me, if you live in Los Angeles or close to the area, I worked at Autozone about 12 years ago 😂, but maybe I look similar to someone else you’ve seen before! Cheers 🍻

[@257Tony]

I've got the same cam in my motor, sitting on the stand at the moment. What valve springs did you use on your GT40 heads?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Hello buddy! Thanks for watching, the springs actually came with the cobra heads we installed, Im almost positive they are the stock springs! If you are using explorer heads, you can transfer over your E7 head springs, because people tell me the explorer ones are weaker.

[@257Tony]

@@MrBlitzkrieg1987 Yep, definitely heard the same thing about the explorer springs. We upgraded to a set of comp cams springs, they are supposedly for flat tappet only, but have the same specs as the TFS roller upgrade springs. So I think we are good to go.

[@lesterclaypool2194]

You can hear a week cylinder when it's cranking low on compression

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

It’s very possible, yes! If you go back a couple of videos you’ll see how bad the old lifters and cam were destroyed! This video is more of a survival story and the absurd reliability of the 302! The car is still running and pulls incredibly hard now! But we know that at some point it will require a stroker kit 😎🫡 thanks for watching

[@hotrodray6802]

Tap the gas, just a little bit. ????

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

It’s just a habit I have from working on carbureted cars 🤣, I can’t shake it off! I know it does nothing on an EFI car

[@krazyfordodge]

Which brand/part number of ceramic headers are you using?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

These are 87-93 BBK ceramic coated shorties, they fit perfectly and work well I recommend them! Sorry I don’t have the part number, I got rid of the box.

[@scottmcbride2237]

RPMs sounds high bro. Nice job.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

You’re correct! We left the idle around 900 rpm. I want to go back and fix a few issues and make sure there’s no more vac leaks before I bring the rpm down.

[@The50Baker]

No matter how hard I try I always get my distributor a tooth off..

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

I put a mark on the block, on the distributor body, I also marked the position of the rotor before it was pulled and after it was pulled… still got it wrong 😂… I’m just not even gonna mark it anymore

[@alltherpm]

B 303 isn't a choppy cam it's small lift with not much duration, good cam for what u got tho, I've got a solid roller cam with .674 lift and it don't chop hard

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes, it’s an entry level cam at best, however it does have more of a lopey sound than this summit racing version we put on, if I heard the car without knowing I would think it’s got the factory HO cam. 😂

[@msk3905]

Do you even know what causes “chop” you haven’t said one thing about the mock B303 or your cam that would cause a cam to “chop”

[@alltherpm]

@@msk3905 no I hate chop, doesn't mean shit, I run solid rollers on shafts with .674 lift at valves, double any tiny chop u got sir, I have videos on tube if u want to b stupid

[@sexycummins]

B303 not choppy 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@alltherpm]

@@sexycummins nope , .450 is stock b cam is just over .500

[@jonnypistolero]

These cams actually perform better than the old school B303 cam from Ford

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

I agree 💯

[@EASTCOASTIMPERIAL]

In what way??

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

@@EASTCOASTIMPERIAL the original alphabet cams were usually ground with the same lobe lift and duration for both the intake and exhaust… newer cam grinds will give different durations and lifts to give one port bias over the other. Since Ford heads usually have a terrible exhaust these motors benefit from having extra lift or duration at the exhaust valve compared to the intake

[@jonnypistolero]

@@EASTCOASTIMPERIAL The Summit 5.0 Liter B303 Plus cam is designed to take advantage of modern Beehive spring packages with more lift and increased rpm potential. It tunes similarly to the original B303 and has increased exhaust duration. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGXLf2R3drOEgrMsi=EKARxUHS6fDxIlx8

[@jonnypistolero]

@@EASTCOASTIMPERIAL lobe separation is a lot better at 114 🧐👌🏻

[@jonnypistolero]

Actually not a knockoff it’s more of a new grind based of of the B303 with two different durations rather than the same like the FoMoCo 303

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Definitely they do make more power! I actually love the way that cam performs, the car pulled pretty hard! The reason I called it a knockoff is because they used the B303 name to advertise is rather than making a name for themselves. It’s also a cheaper cam than the OG B303, but 💯 I agree with you it is a better cam and I would recommend it and personally buy it again without hesitation

[@chrisbeekley1887]

Idling to high

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes sir, car had a vacuum leak so we left it a bit high on purpose to keep the car from cutting off

[@Joesmusclecargarage]

I get a kick out of people that buy a cam for how a cam idles. Buy a cam for the power it makes, and where it makes it.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

We didn’t get a cam just for cool sounds, our stock cam was trashed along with most of the lifters, this was literally the cheapest cam we could get our hands on quickly without having to install custom springs and roller rockers… guess that should answer your question as to why we didn’t get a custom grind to extract every single ounce of power out of a car that we weren’t even sure was gonna run 😂.

[@Joesmusclecargarage]

@@MrBlitzkrieg1987 I never asked why you didn’t get a custom grind. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with letter cams. I’ve run many of them over the years. I put cars in the 11s over 25 years ago with letter cams. The title of your video makes it sound like you were only going after a lopey idle. Capisce?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

You made a suggestion about buying a cam for power and where it makes it… if you really know, then you are subliminally asking the custom grind question. Most people today aren’t buying alphabet cams for power, most are looking for affordable cams with good drivability, nice sound, and something just a little better than stock!

[@Joesmusclecargarage]

@@MrBlitzkrieg1987 And I’m not disputing what you said or the reason for running a letter cam. I’ll say it again; YOU CAN MAKE RESPECTABLE POWER WITH A LETTER CAM. I put cars in the 11s with letter cams back in the 90s. Are there better cams out there today? Of course. Can a modern grind make 10-20 horse more than a letter cam and not have the finicky idle of a letter cam? Of course. I’ve been in the Fox scene for almost 30 years. I had these cars when they ruled the streets in the 90s. Most people then, and even now, buy a cam because they want it to “chop” or “lope”, without a single care for how the car actually performs. One last time, the title of your video initially indicated you were only concerned with how rowdy the car sounded at idle. If I can build something with a stockish smooth idle that will walk all over a loping shitbox that doesn’t come on until 4000rpm, then that’s my goal. My current 89 LX goes 12.50s with a stock cam, on motor, full interior, all steel, and working 40 degree air conditioning. Do you understand now?

[@deucetres23]

Ain nobody trying to read that .caprisun?

[@mozartpiano23]

Sexier than a hellcat

[@jakes197]

💯

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

The Fox is definitely up there 🔥

[@brandonknight7240]

4.10 gears a must

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

That’s exactly what we have planned for the car shortly! I have a differential ready with 4.10 already installed that we will be swapping on my brother’s car!

[@Undertaker_Bass_Ride]

Im wanting to buy the B303 cam for my 89 F150, what all did you have to replace to run it? Or is it bone stock from bottom to top and only a cam added, I'm just looking to have the sound, i dont care about performance

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Hey thanks for watching, if you have a 302 roller block on your 89 F150 all you need to buy is the cam, unless your timing set is worn and the chain is loose. We ran this cam and it has slightly more lift than the original B cam with the stock springs, so most likely you won’t have any issues! Chop on buddy 😎👌

[@Undertaker_Bass_Ride]

@MrBlitzkrieg1987 Appreciate that and I'll replace that while I'm already at it, thank you for the reply and also have you taken a updated video yet with the vaccum leak fixed? I really want to hear what it sounds like now

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

⁠@@Undertaker_Bass_Ride I’m sure the vacuum leak has already been taken care of, my brother has been driving that car for at least a month now. I’ll see if get a short video of the car idling soon!

[@Undertaker_Bass_Ride]

@MrBlitzkrieg1987 Thank you and that's all I seen in the comments besides the high idle, but it sounded so good, and I'm ready to get started on mine now, I got the cam already in my cart to buy

[@89G]

Sounds awesome... how do you get that thing to pass the sniffer in CA?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Luckily it passed a week before we did the work, so we’ll find out how it does in 2 years 😂

[@89G]

@@MrBlitzkrieg1987 hahaha. That's the way to do it!

[@supert1255]

Advance your camshaft 2 degrees for a more aggressive chop your power will just come in later when you go wot

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Great suggestion! I will try that as soon as my brother gets done fixing all vacuum leaks and exhaust clanking 😂

[@257Tony]

Advancing the cam brings the power band down, retarding moves it up.

[@hotrodray6802]

What?? Smh

[@joehard1014]

Got a part number on the cam your running?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Hello brother! Yes, its SUM-8901 from summit Racing they also call it B303 plus! Be careful because there is also E303 and F303 plus!

[@arturo5819]

When are we getting an update on this'll car

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Something big is coming up on this car, the problem is my brother uses it as a daily for work and so I don’t see it too often… but the plan is to add gears on it next and that should take it to the next level! Thanks for watching 😎🤟

[@pittsky]

Nice car. You desperately need a bigger Mass Air Sensor.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes! It would be nice to upgrade to a 75mm ProM or even the stock 70mm 93 cobra housing would be a step up. Thank you for watching 😎

[@hotrodray6802]

Stock mass air will support 270 max.

[@CouchHam]

You need to check your oil pressure!

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Oh yes 💯 I know it’s important! But this car has been indestructible so far! And the oil pressure gauge has always been a mystery, I’m almost scared to put an actual gauge on it, because it’s been running great for over a month and if the car finds out there is no pressure, it will probably stop running that same day 😂

[@JohnDoe-wk7um]

Why buy the knockoff was it that much cheaper??

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Im not affiliated with Summit or anything like that, yes the cam was about half the price of a B303 and in all honesty the performance that you get off the Summit cam is a level above what the B303 offers. The downside is that it doesn’t sound as good, that’s my only complaint

[@JohnDoe-wk7um]

@@MrBlitzkrieg1987 do you remember what kind of lift the knockoff had? Compared to the 303

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

@@JohnDoe-wk7um The part number is SUM-8901 or B303 plus is what they call it

[@_cfoster9278]

Sounds like ya got high idle Vac leak, timing off and yet you’re bashing the cam idle and chop. Do a base idle reset also. Theee cams are proven to make 15-20 Hp more up top range Vs the old cam designs. It’s not cheaping out.

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

That’s correct, I did point out those issues in the video, we actually already corrected them and the cam doesn’t sound much different than it does in the video… the B303 cam has a much better sound and that’s not just my opinion either. But yes this summit cam is worth the money performance wise, the car runs much better, but if you’re talking strictly sounds the B303 takes the win.

[@92coupelx]

What is a knockoff B-303? The summit cam?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

If you go to summit and type in 303 plus, they have their own version of the B,E and F cams. They’re a lot cheaper than the ford cams and they claim they are better

[@NotchFox]

​@@MrBlitzkrieg1987if you even mention an alphabet cam the ford community goes nuts. Everyone screams "split duration" is the only cam that makes power and is street drivable. Well the Summit B303 + is a split duration cam, and is the least expensive hyd roller out there. Enjoy your ride, you made a good choice. When you get it completely dialed in, you will love it!

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

I have no complaints about the cam, it really woke the car up, Im 💯 sure that this cam performs better than the B cam, I’ve driven both, the problem is the B cam has a very distinctive sound, and this cam didn’t have that. At that price I would use it again in a heartbeat though

[@_cfoster9278]

It’s not a summit racing “knockoff”. It’s a new updated design of the B cam. You say it like it’s some Chinese knock off built with the same specs. Lol

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Honestly, I think they deserve that one 😂… even though it is a better product and less expensive (it’s both!), riding off someone else’s success just to sell cams is not exactly a class move. They’re the ones that decided to name it B303 plus or E303 plus ect… the alphabet cams have proven themselves through many years, these are a relatively new product. I’m not saying it is bad (on the contrary I love the cam) but they’re still riding the alphabet hype, you get me?

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

I do recommend them 💯 though if that’s what you’re wondering 👍😎

[@hotrodray6802]

It is a knockoff.

[@89gt5.0]

There’s a lot better off the shelf cams than the B cam

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

Yes sir, that is common knowledge, the cam we used wasn’t even a B cam, because it was too expensive, we used a knockoff summit cam because it was the cheapest cam we could get out hands on… the original cam was trashed along with the lifters and we didn’t want to gamble using a high dollar cam.

[@darronlemell224]

Sounds stock

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

It has a mild sound, this is a summit racing b303 plus cam, it definitely doesn’t sound as good as the Ford Racing B303. But if you’re comparing performance this cam is a dual pattern camshaft so its much better at making your car move! Im not sure why you say it sounds stock lol, have you ever heard a stock mustang? This car has flowmaster exhaust, headers and you can tell it has a cam, but only if you know what you’re listening to.

[@hotrodray6802]

Follow Brew2L

[@MrBlitzkrieg1987]

I’ve watched some of his videos, cool guy 👍