Will It Rub? Testing New Jeep Wrangler Diesel Lift, Wheels & Tires

[@thetrailoutthere]

You're living the dream brother! Retired, a son that goes wheeling with you, and a supporting wife.

[@omarramirez2335]

On my sisters JL we’ve left the suspension stock added 37 Milestar Patagonia M/Ts high lined the inner fenders and BORA 1.5 hubcentric spacers stock everything flexed out does not rub at all surprisingly

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

The articulation is so damn nice on the solid axles 👌

[@dsimpleman67]

Those tires will defiantly sling mud, gravel, and general road grim up the side of your Rubicon (Jeep Spackle). In suppose they are adequate for the DSW but I live in the PNW and this was a real problem for daily driving. Every time we got out of the rig (going into work) we would get it on our legs, not to mention our new Jeep was never clean for more then a few minutes. I had to remove the factory rock slider and replace them with the Roam Sliders. The Rock Blockz Removable mud flaps have been a big improvement as well.

[@KJsProjects]

Glad to see the 2015 Rubicon in the video. I have been rewatching some of your older videos and I had forgotten how much I missed it.

[@shawnlindsey_]

Yes! Been waiting to see the JL and JK!

[@trailrunnah8886]

That was fantastic! As a Toyota 4Runner owner, I'm always blown away at how well these perform with just a 2 inch lift. And 37s! A 2 inch lift on a 4Runner get you 33s and you might have to chop the frame depending on your wheels LOL.

[@trjnsd6874]

Great info. You get more and more comfortable and animated in front of the camera. Nice work, MasterChief!

[@sandralutz-rodriguez2864]

So rad to see both JK’s adventuring. Happy new year Trailrecon!!

[@TheStoryTillNow]

Looking good, Brad!

[@TrailRecon]

Thanks!

[@krasnaludek298]

The rubbing that you show is exactly why I run 35s w/ my 2.5” lift. I do light to moderate trails & not much in the way of actual rock crawling. Aside from very deep ruts, that can usually be avoided; never felt the need for 37s & all the extra weight, wear, & rubbing (unless the center of gravity is increased w/ taller lift). I’ve also tried to always keep my Jeeps w/ 3” lift or less. I don’t like the on street/off street trade-offs that exist with every single taller lift setup. I really like what you’ve done so far - very functional & built with durability in-mind. 👍🏻

[@4XTRAIL]

Three legends! Brad, JK and JL Diesel!

[@JustinKingOffroad]

my 18 JLUR came with a dealer installed lift kit. the only thing i'm noticing is the springs are bowing on the front pretty bad. so they are about worn out, and they only have 8000 miles on them. you'll do just fine on that lift for now, but like everyone told me, it'll wear out faster than a true aftermarket kit.

[@aaronlclubb]

I really like the Nitto Trail Grapplers. I’ve ran them for a year without issue. 15K on them and they still look great. Really like the wheels you chose!

[@TrailRecon]

That's great to hear, looking forward to seeing how they do.

[@951media]

Hi Brad. What trail is this?

[@SJDJFJFSKSXNDJWJQI]

Looks awesome. Can't wait to see what you do with the Powerwagon. 40s perhaps???

[@motoken]

Hey Brad, the spring correction pads for the front do work and if the front spring bow bothers you, those correction pads do the trick.

[@boldrbangr9834]

I got the MOPAR 2" lift for my JLUR for the same reasons, dealer installed. I'm happy with it so far. Mine wanders at highway speeds, but I think the TSB for the steel steering box should correct that. I'm running 37's & with this lift & it just clear my garage doors. Love the MOPAR wheels, I have the earlier version MOPAR beadlocks with powder coated rings to match ....wait for it...Firecracker Red paint!

[@rickdoria4298]

I have friends that have had JLURs with the Mopar 2” lift and I have been told it killed the ride on the street. Way too harsh. I have also read some bad reviews. Kind of surprised to hear all this praise. Anyone else have an opinion? I have a Recon and I am thinking about getting the Mopar lift. Can you post a picture of your wheels please?

[@fordracerforever]

🤩🤩Wheels look great, like it rolled out of the factory like that. Maybe that’s what he meant by keeping it “stock”

[@jcerna7226]

Very smart of you to stick with a factory suspension upgrade in order to maintain your warranty! These new Diesel engines can run up a substantial bill at the dealership when something fails. I have the 3.0L diesel in my X5 and my high pressure fuel pump failed in September. Thank God it was covered under warranty because it was very big bill 💰 🙏🏽

[@knightwing4]

I would have liked to see how it performed with 35’s. They may have been perfect for that lift. I like the 37’s too. Like you said, you could always heat gun and flex those fender wells.

[@limester757]

That red just looks awesome on the trail. Also it looks like it added a bit more than 2 inches. Looks great. Drop the bump stops a little to help with the rub... all in all looks great.

[@gaetanofattorusso5863]

Thanks for the info it is a great help. I have a 2020 Willys with the eco- diesel. I was looking to add a 2” to 2.5” mopar left. Love the video you post.

[@wardperozuk2782]

Your explanation reminded me of the three bears comparing the beds! Lol. I went with the ridge grapplers as they do a better on snow....something we have a fair bit of. Enjoy that Jeep and it’s great to see the two of them out there together! Cheers.

[@elitesniper7903]

Been waiting for the diesel im so glad they make them

[@mini2nut67]

They are great until the factory warranty expires. The engine and exhaust system have more sensors than the space shuttle. You will also need your dealerships computer to diagnose a problem when a dreaded engine light illuminates.

[@Bigskimeister]

On my Rubicon Diesel I removed the rear mud flap mounting plastic and the metal brackets. They rubbed like yours on some really off camber positions. Big difference and I’d never use them anyway. If someone recommends some spacers please share. Very informative and accurate video.

[@dinkydotzero]

I really like the wheel and tire choice, looks nice, If I were running a diesel I would definitely sleeve and truss that front end, and a free spin kit. I have changed out a ton of bent dana 44s on new JLs and gladiators

[@j.r.777]

Are you guys in In-Ko-Pah at the top of the Laguna Mountains, right before you drop into the desert? I was born and raised in San Diego and grew up in El Cajon and Lakeside. My 2 favorite off road places to go were In-Ko-Pah and Lake Moreno/Buckman Springs. There were also some spots that I knew about in the Laguna Mountains and Cleveland National Forrest, along with some places just outside of Alpine and Pine Valley. I just ordered my first Jeep, a 2021 JL Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited. Prior to it, I was always a Toyota Tacoma 4x4 guy but this time around I was getting something that would be used primarily for off roading and going camping off the grid only. This time around I will also be keeping my full size truck too, as my primary daily driver. In the times in the past, when I had my Tacoma’s, I was in a position to where I could only afford 1 vehicle and had to use them as both my daily driver and off roading/camping vehicle and because I worked in construction at that time, I needed to have a truck as opposed to a Jeep. But now I am in a position as to where I can own both and I am pretty excited about finally getting a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. I am going to have a tremendous amount of fun in that thing when I finally get it, when it comes in. We now live in Colorado and there are a ton of places that I can go that are only within a few hours away from me. If I’m ever back home in San Diego, I would love to go off roading with you guys sometime! Or if you’re ever out here, the same goes as well, if you ever visit our area again?

[@Moats_Life]

Hi, great video as usual. When moving to 37's with the 3.6L, or 2.0L turbo, 8th gear essentially goes away on a Rubicon with 4:10 gears. Since you have the diesel with 3.73 gears and have moved to 37's, I'm curious if 8th gear is still being used, given the diesel has so much more torque?

[@Garagecouple]

Woooot! Time to grab some popcorn and play some TR!

[@romandevengenzo4267]

Nice Brad. Did you happen to measure the before/after heights to compare the actual lift height to the 2” spec? Even though you’re not at stock weight, it would be interesting to know. Thanks!

[@erichughes9098]

I am very interested to see how this works with his diesel. I am thinking about getting a diesel with my next buy in a couple of years. I’ve had diesel trucks for the last 25 years i wouldn’t consider going any other way. Thank you for another great video 😎👍

[@davidschlarp1606]

I love how he said he was going to keep it stock and wanted people to believe him🤣

[@jasondevereaux3369]

Mopar lift, mopar wheels, nitro tires...pretty sure they're "sponsors" and those parts will be staying awhile...at least til contract is up

[@Chasitek]

@@jasondevereaux3369 he said he purchased it.

[@jasondevereaux3369]

@@Chasitek perhaps with his soul... why would ANYONE with experience, pay for and keep a mopar lift???

[@conduit242]

My ‘96 Accord can do that

[@trackntrail2869]

Nice, I'm running KMC XD231s with 4.7" BS. I think it's the perfect offset for a JL on 37s. I'm running a similar amount of weight in the rear of my JL and have a lot less rubbing on the factory fender liners. Running the Dynatrac Endurosport 2" lift.

[@relewis3]

Been waiting for this video since I saw the Instagram photos! Cheers from South Korea.

[@jeckart3d]

I know you want to keep it as stock-looking as possible, but you wouldn’t have any rubbing at all if you pull out those black inner fenders. The Rubicons come from the factory so that you can easily remove them. A few pop-clips and small plastic welds. Did it on my 2020 JLRUD and made a world of difference. I’m running the Rock Krawler Adventure Series 3 2.5” lift for diesels (just a different spring rate on the front for the extra 400lbs) with 37s, no rubbing at all with the inner fenders pulled out. Makes the rig look much more aggressive, too-which I know you may not be that in to.

[@ictproperties6641]

Brad, new to Overlanding Vehicles. Do you suggest any magazines to help us get started with vehicles, equipment, gear, etc?

[@jodyherman2]

You could adjust the bump stop in the rear too

[@CarStory]

There is no bad color for a Jeep. I love them all.

[@JeffKondas]

Did you add front and rear adjustable track bars?

[@TheAlphabetSongsDad]

The reds keeps growing and growing on me. 👍 with the diesel engine how does the 37s feel?

[@DrSloandog]

Carli Suspension just finished their Diesel specific kit. The front upper control arms need a bend different than others because the diesel engine mount is so low. Carli Suspension teamed up with E-Click SHocks......VERY expensive but the ride is unbelievable!!! Carlis Suspension is in Lake Elsinore Calif. On another note, Carli Suspension has some REALLY nice springs for your Power Wagon....they are very specific to that model. I believe that kit adds another 1.5" of lift....softer spring rate and more flex.

[@KansasSlim64]

Saw the Carli setup for TFL’s F-250. Followed that for a while. Seems pretty sweet. It’s also quite pricey.

[@duoglide69]

I have The Mopar lift and 37” BFG‘s . “Love the tires “ but the springs are bowed like bananas. Everything works well and warranty is intact. In your opinion, is the diesel worth the extra $4500 and the $450 oil changes ?

[@xlthumper]

At 4:30. The body roll is what threw me off. It looks sloppy from the outside I am glad you said it rides and handles well tho. If you could follow up with this when you add more weight that would be great.

[@951media]

Internet will never be happy. People want a soft suspension that flexes well, but with no body roll... SMH

[@RalphGB]

Did you measure how much actual lift you got from the Jeep lift kit? Lots of reports say you get a lot more than advertised.

[@NHornsby]

He probably got 2.3” with all The extra weight

[@syedrumaisa]

his kit was rated for 2"

[@scotta4726]

I have the same tires on my JK And put 20, 000 miles with out any issues. I really like them. My jk. Jeep is a willys edition 33 axel up front 44 out back

[@22TheJuggernaut]

PLEEEASE do an updated video on this!!! Im about to do a lift and was looking at the 3in BDS lift kit but on website they dont have a Diesel option! Another youtuber got a 3.5in lift and with his Diesel he only really got a 1in total overall lift with his 37in tire. Scared to fork up 10k for a lift and not actually be the full 3in i pay for! any incite would be appricaited!! love the channel BTW keep it up!

[@jeepn0811]

The red really pops against the tan landscape. Looks awesome

[@TheNtv69]

Did you adjust bump stops at all?maybe 1 inch longer will solve your rubbing.

[@DM-tf6mk]

Looks great so far Brad! Great video!

[@TheAmerican1963]

Love your channel !!!! ......you are right about tire weight ......unsprung rotating mass has a tremendous effect on the drive train and suspension........ I learned this running my Turbo Rzr....... I never break axles or prematurely wear out suspension and steering components because I run as light a tire as possible and do not put "34's" where "30's" work well ..... so on the trail I am never "that guy".....LOL :-)

[@pnwyeti3008]

do you think that if the lift would have been the more popular 2 1/2' you think that would have made all the difference?

[@deanf5524]

Smart going with Mopar, IMHO they are perfect with 35's on the Rubi. To me 37's start to make the vehicle a hobby Jeep and that means it's a 2nd vehicle. I can't afford that but Cheers if you can.

[@hypercrawler6587]

37’s with a 2 inch lift looks the best on JL’s, the proportions are sweet.

[@matthewhatton3637]

The perfect lift and suspension setup is vital for your vehicle. My neighbor just lifted his one ton guess what it sags like crazy when he hooks it up to his trailer because the lift was not made for the one ton 😂

[@Hay-tn6hz]

Matthew Hatton And that makes you happy? You're a strange one Matthew.

[@matthewhatton3637]

@@Hay-tn6hz makes me laugh because I warned them numerous times.

[@stephtraveler7378]

looks great. Id leave the lift where you have it at 2 inches. Your COG goes up with every increment of lift, right? If you can run 37s, I'd leave it where it is.

[@MotorBoating1413]

Still waiting to see the power wagon upgrades

[@irismercado1288]

It’s looking good but I think going a few inches more would be better than going with the spacers. Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year may God continue to bless you and your family always

[@NathanGilmer]

Really loving this build man!

[@darrenroos6408]

Did you do before/after measurements to see what actual lift height is? I know that for the 3.6L actual lift height seems to be closer to 2.5-3 inches.

[@my3corvettes]

On my 2021 JLUR Diesel with this lift it was a tab bit over 3 inches

[@crashing4569]

What happened to Milestar, I see both you and Lite brite, have switched to the Nittos?

[@HM1-d4d]

How does the Bronco Badlands compair

[@lesszabo5625]

That's why I went with 35's on my jl to avoid the rubbing and have a little more articulation available. As far as the tires are concerned, the Nitto's for me, perform much better.

[@josegallardo7467]

Hello! I don't know why I'm watching your videos, I don't even have a car! Happy holidays !👍

[@mikebiron7339]

Ok, first you and LiteBrite start with Patagonia's. Now, you both with Nitto. How do I get a tire sponsor? LOL I wish I could afford the Trail Grapplers. Are you sponsored by FCA too? How is acceleration with those heavy tires?

[@Malc664]

Yeah, I am thinking the same. Changing this and that all the time you're wealthy or sponsored.

[@mikebiron7339]

@@Malc664 I understand buying new vehicles for new content, if you are making a living on KZbin. My only issue is the promotion and sales of products that are claimed to be great, then a better sponsor comes around and they switch. What then? I'm not saying Brad did that, but LiteBrite did. Patagonia was the bomb. Best tire ever. Survived every trail. Never had a problem. Talked me into them. Now, it's "hello Nitto!". Patagonia who? I truly think Brad is different, as he is not making his living off of KZbin. He retired from the Military. LiteBrite only lives off of YT so hence the sponsors.

[@jasondevereaux3369]

@@mikebiron7339 litebrite used to burn thru 3 sets of tires a year..FOR FREE..that's why they were so awesome...I bought into that Patagonia garbage too....gone now...nittos way too heavy... better tires out for a budget. Y'all remember the trail recon jeep his local dealer sold??? Hes sponsored by jeep I'm sure, hence the mopar stuff...and... nitto has changed the style of t.grappler some, give it ti him n litebrite, best advertising around

[@explor360]

Thanks for the review Brad. I have to say though that if you had installed 35” tires instead of 37’s you would have solved the tire rubbing, heavier tire issues and improved the ride on road. From what you showed of the trail you ran the 35’s would have made it without problems...Now if you want to turn it into a rock crawler........:-)

[@zachminer6478]

You are correct with clearance. I disagree on road handling. My JK on 37's was absolutely perfect. More tire was cush especially 70mph on washboards

[@rcm3691]

Great video as always Brad. I received my JL Unlimited Rubicon in April 2018, pretty early on. There was not a lot of lift choices at the time and warranty was also a concern so I opted for the Mopar lift. I know they call it 2" but i got over 3". I'm running Dirty Life beadlocks (17 x 10) and Dick Cepek Extreme Country 37's. I did add an adjustable track bar to the front as the axle was about 3/4" off center. Mopar should include that or at least the extension bracket. I removed the plastic shields behind the rear tires and used the heat gun to re-shape the fender liners and now I can stuff it completely and only experience minor rubbing. I too feel that it is a little soft at times, but it does ride very well. I'm thinking I may upgrade to adjustable Fox or Bilstein shocks so that I can do a little tuning when the trail dictates.

[@zachminer6478]

Curious why you didn't go with an EVO kit.

[@boostdtalon]

I have the same suspension on my Gladiator. I love it for now.

[@Chasitek]

Gah dayum. That red just looks sooo freaking good

[@GentleGiantFan]

Pretty surprised you went left field with the Mopar lift kit, but totally understand since it won't affect your warranty. You mention the added torque of the diesel as one reason of going with the Mopar kit, so what makes that lift any different from one for a gas powered Jeep? I wished you went into more detail with that (I'm under the impression there's no difference). Glad you mentioned about the suspension sag though. This is one reason I think I'm going to do the lift last on my Jeep (yeah, I know....there's nothing last to do on these vehicles, lol). Great video as always Brad. Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year!

[@chadbrock9216]

I could have sworn you’d already run those. I’m really interested in you’re opinion on these vs the ridge grappler. A truly quite mud tire!!! Rig looks great! Thanks for all the work you put into this.

[@michaelr1624]

Did the front clear when turned? What width tire was that? When compressed was it on the bump stops?

[@TrailExpedition]

I have the Mopar Lifetime Max care on my JKU so I have to keep the build rather mild. Don’t want to make the warranty Gods angry.

[@dr.ahmadyounis24]

Awesome Jeep finally a diesel Wrangler🚙 it not butter if you considered a 35 inches tires?

[@darrenroos6408]

Will you be adding an adjustable track bar? How far off center is it with the stock?

[@zachminer6478]

That was my question too. He doesn't seem to respond to the comment section much tho. Also because of the rubbing I was wondering if he wished he could have gone taller

[@mattox6553]

How does adding or subtracting weight going to help with rubbing? Also how will making it taller keep it from rubbing? It’s a bump stop issue.

[@FrankPapadakis]

what's the better option between buying a sport s and adding aftermarket parts to make it similar or better than a rubicon, or buy a rubicon and just lift it? maybe do bumpers too but what else what you want to upgrade on a rubicon?

[@pistoncount]

Wow !!! Looks great and an awesome video...relly loving the diesel content! How is the automatic doing with the 37s and 3.73 gears? Also are you missing the 4:1 case when the trail gets technical? Cant wait to see where this build goes!!

[@DieselJLUJeep]

No answer on the question of 3.73 and 37s. Another KZbinr who did this on his JT gas powered had no issues same gears and tire combo. So must be nothing to the diesel with more torque.

[@guidedbyvoices7424]

Hi, Brad. You made a video back in March 2018 about the additional upgrades necessary after installing 37 inch tires on your JK. How much of that applies today on your JLUR diesel?

[@matthewhatton3637]

Hi this is Matt here been trying to get ahold of you about your extended warranty 😂🤣🤣

[@jasondevereaux3369]

@Mr.Rocklander lol. Sure...if that's the case, then any shop could do it. Warranty cant be voided by OTHER shops doing work....yet jeep finds ANY excuse to get out of warranty work

[@kent426]

So how does the Mopar lift compare the comparison of the other lifts you did? I just have Fox shocks upgraded on mine so far but was thinking about the AEV 2" spacer lift or doing the full Mopar lift.

[@nautidad]

I have all this but on 35’s. Would I need to regear if I were to put 37 all terrain tires I wonder?

[@dirf554]

Smart move on keeping you warranty that diesel may need it 👌

[@derekpb6394]

Evening Brad! Great video and follow up (even if different lift) from your recent lift videos, will see what the future holds till then enjoy the warrantee. Few people asked but I'll put all my Q on the table... Sorry long ;) Original rig IS a JLUR ( Dana 40s and raised fenders) - edited Heights at known locations (Engr. in me) Your before and after (as loaded w rubs you showed). Tire pressure Butt factor ;) Great tire and wheel details, thank you. Great job on all and thank you... Wanting to do 37s on standard rims with 2.5" Teraflex lift with bump stops and track bars.

[@JeffKondas]

Did the moper lift remove the rake of the jeep?

[@JL-uw6fq]

Hey brad! Love your videos! I was wondering what you think of the Lexus GX460

[@JL-uw6fq]

Please let me know what y’all think!

[@davidcook2128]

so would your do this kit again?

[@brentskillman4331]

Great content once again! Any issues with the axles being off-center after the lift? Plans for adjustable track bars or not necessary at this point?

[@gogerwi]

I sure like those wheels, wish I had known about them before going with the Teraflex Nomads for the reasons you mentioned.

[@BigMikeMora]

So would you feel comfortable with this on Rubicon Trail or Black Bear Pass??

[@gregernst4483]

And it looks like the spare fit just fine! I know on my JLUR with 37's and a 5.75 backspacing it just bolted on. Same rubbing issues with my Rancho lift (3" actual) I used Gorilla tape on the back transition of the rear fender liner after folding the top of the liner behind the lower part. I have more weight in the back also.

[@davidcooper3957]

I have those nitto tires and awesome on and off road, I did change them recently to my terra grapple G2 though which are better on road and of course when I just went off road I got stuck for the first time in mud where the other set wouldn’t have. So looks like I’m either going to have to buy a winch instead of using the high lift or another set of 8 lug rims and swap out when going off road. Now in the terra grappler defense they do have 60k miles on them but still plenty of tread wear. I do agree upping the axles with brakes I’m running dynatrac pro 60s with a J8 master cylinder

[@neilthompson2784]

Great info. How are the the 3.73 gears handling the 37 " with the ecodiesel package?

[@TRD_Cueto]

No need to run adjustable track bars??

[@ajourneyinthewild]

You guys in the US are so lucky with lift prices - in South Africa, FOX 2.0 shocks cost $1600 alone...

[@abnormaltoy]

Wow, it sure didn't take very long to get long term experience with the stock JL...I "admire" your resolve.

[@kennesbitt4722]

CAN U ADJUST BUMP STOPS

[@imtorrellasa]

Looks great! Now which spacer will you use in the back ?

[@VitchieZA]

Why don’t you consider tuning the bumpstops in the rear?

[@keenleh]

When are the vanity plates coming in?