Will It Start After 7 Years? Rebuilding An Abandoned Piper Aztec Airplane Part 2

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[@SVSecondChance]

As a mechanic listening to that engine try to start I would say the timing is off by quite a bit that's why you broke the starter gear when it tried to kick back. So I would put it on top that Center number one and reinstall the mags. And I bet it runs is sounds like it will.

[@g60force]

yeah that sounds plausible!

[@mikemaccracken3112]

I agree completely. Sounds like the timing is advanced.

[@jrmyl]

I'm not a mechanic and my first thought when hearing it was timing. Would be interested to see if that is the case.

[@ragheadand420roll]

It def has some democrat timing issues it sounds retarded 🇺🇸✌🏻😂

[@grahamfoster9404]

That is exactly what I was thinking,, you could feel the force behind it. Hopefully it will be o.k. internally. Good video and generous nice one Jimmy give yourself a big pat on the back.

[@rhtball]

Let me add this by saying, we need more Jimmy's in this Country....Just saying..

[@wtfwtfwtf7477]

Definitely, it would help to MAKE AMERICA GREAT for reals. AMERICA desperately needs leadership That s all about AMERICA 🇺🇸 👏 🙌 😍 Kick start that once forgotten pride Can I Get a CLEAR PROP.

[@rickey5353]

Thank you, Jimmy, for sponsoring those ten kids through Swan Aviation. The world needs more Jimmys, like you.

[@joserodriguez9528]

Agreed

[@mrtrusty101]

Agree 100% brother

[@mrinvader]

@@wtfwtfwtf7477 #CLEARPROP FTW

[@turnerator21]

Hey Jimmy - I used to fly an Aztec and it sometimes had the same problem with kicking back. It was equipped with a "shower of sparks" ignition coil for starting, activated by a separate contact on the starter switch. If the shower of sparks didn't activate, the mag would spark at the advanced timing and cause the engine to kick pack. We ruined one or 2 starters and flywheels that way. In our case, it was just the contact in the starter switch. If you pressed hard on the switch, everything was good. Make sure that the system works before you try again. Love your channel, by the way :)

[@samphillips8322]

Good advice. Lots of PIpers have that system and could very well explain the kickback problem on that engine.

[@Nord3202]

Jimmy's got alot to learn about old Bendix drive starters. Unfortunately the hard way. Bendix starters don't disengage till its starts.

[@kj3n569]

@@Nord3202 So it's like an outboard engines starter?

[@kevintaylor791]

He should know this considering he's dealt with an Aztec with Shower of Spark

[@pauldixon3089]

Going to be some kids getting the start in life they deserve. Jimmy, you're a star.

[@michaelmcdonald6722]

Well said.

[@jkingsley5671]

What could possibly go wrong…? Enough to empty a regular person’s bank account! It’s good to be Jimmy! Love the videos Jimmy. You’ve got a great attitude for life!

[@topaz123212]

Well I mean, so far it only kinda half started, so half price? ;) Lol

[@joshredding9588]

J Kingsley are you from the HOUSTON Texas area?

[@jkingsley5671]

@@joshredding9588 Negative. South Louisiana

[@markusw.6525]

Hi Jimmy. I showed your channel to my father, he was a former interflug pilot. He flew the Russian Il-62. He loves your channel. And from me... keep it up, you're funny and your videos are very exciting. Greetings from Germany.

[@thomas7770]

Hey Jimmy your channel has inspired me to never fly in a small aircraft ever again. For any reason. Thanks. (Just trying to live longer)

[@mofayer]

That's the difference between a modern automotive electronically controlled engine verse a mechanically driven one, they are more difficult to start since it doesn't have the electronic flexibility, but are more reliable once started since it has minimum points of failure.

[@chrisw9629]

@@mofayer true that. My dad had a 1964 Piper Cherokee 235 back in the early 2000s with an old Lycoming O-540 in it. The engine had a lot of hours on it and we flew it for years putting hundreds of hours on it. Sometimes it would take 5-10 minutes to get it running but once it was running, it never shut off once until he told it to haha

[@kamoboko86]

God bless for helping the ministry!

[@BobSmith-qt6zg]

Haha lots of Vice Grip Garage lingo in this one….. way to pass it on to these upcoming aviation students.. you are a blessing!!

[@sp1nrx]

Derek and Jimmy should switch sometime. That would a show: Derek trying to start an airplane engine and Jimmy dealing with a '59 DeSoto....

[@BobSmith-qt6zg]

@@sp1nrx YES!! That’s an excellent idea…. Would be a hoot..

[@terrallputnam7979]

Sponsor the kids! Great Job Jimmy! You are the man!!!

[@MrJorgerocha]

Beautiful aeroplane. I love the painting and the point nouse. Big hug from you Brazilian friend from ENFIELD TOWN NORTH OF LONDON. CAN I HAVE CLEAR PROP

[@jeffrymilton1093]

Love your positive attitude even when dealing with setbacks but your knowledge is phenomenal and therefore your confidence drives you forward to best all obstacles. Keep on lighting the fires and kicking the tires, Jimmy.

[@martin4787]

The right hand engine sounds like the ignition timing is over advanced, the way it was kicking back against the starter when it was firing. So check it before attempting to start it again. What a generous gift for the kids Jimmy and great videos. 👍

[@mikegoodman447]

The timing is fixed. So there is no timing advance unit. The engine will always be starting in an advanced state. That's why a lot of planes "start hard." I think it started hard because he didn't have a battery in it. Even though he had a "jump" that is not how you should start it.

[@martin4787]

@@mikegoodman447 Hi Mike. The new engine didn't have the same issue when being started for the very first time, jumped from the same source. That only leaves the starter, either worn or loose, starter or earth cable have a resistance.

[@martin4787]

@@mikegoodman447 Hi Mike, Martin again from the UK. I thought the start hard was due to them being long stroke engines. 🤔

[@mikegoodman447]

@@martin4787 A car starts typically around just a few degrees advanced. The mag system they use is fixed at around 22 degrees or so. When everything is just right fuel mixture and such the engine will want to bust off just as soon as the spark gets there. So if it is spinning to slow an early firing will make the engine kick back If it were say rich, the engine might not kick back as rapidly and start just fine. If the timing was way off the thing would have broken way before this.

[@martin4787]

@@mikegoodman447 So there is no mechanical advance and retard in the mags Mike? Why is that Mike?

[@SurpriseMechanics]

4:45 yo! I flew on KC-10s in the Air Force! Small world Being a crew chief is probably the most thankless job in the Air Force.

[@bernardanderson3758]

Beautiful to seeing Kids seeking to go to camp and Jimmy you will be blessed by this giving

[@bigfish74f]

Its for the kids jimmy you know your a good guy

[@michaelbailey3951]

Oh my the anxiety just watching it crank and not starting

[@patriciakane7008]

Whoo Hoo!! First time start! So cool.

[@Defender9432]

Hey Jimmy, your save the 310 videos inspired me to try to find me a bankruptcy project and I found me a piper pa-22 frame. Let’s see just how much I learned from your videos

[@crazybrit-nasafan]

"What could go wrong" should be a new merch slogan.😁 And, in aviation it isn't called a hammer, it's a fine adjustment tool. Works like this 1 If it doesn't work use fine adjustment tool 2 if it still doesn't work use adjustment tool a bit harder 3 If it still doesn't work you "adjusted" it too much, replace it.

[@TheNeonCuber]

This also applies to computers, except normally step 3 is step 1.

[@americanspirit8932]

Great job, congratulations, plus 10 kids going to Camp outstanding.

[@johnschiwitz4412]

I am a pilot at EKY, and a fellow pilot put the tarps over the plane a couple weeks ago. He would like the tarps back if possible. You could leave them in the FBO

[@donwilson6617]

Crescent wrench...the worlds best all purpose tool...works as a pry bar or a hammer or...fly swatter and a can opener...oh yeah sometimes can be used as a wrench...

[@gotchagoing8843]

I have several adjustable wrench's, some are sae, and the others are metric😉

[@donwilson6617]

@@gotchagoing8843 we must buy or tools from the same people :)

[@sportclay1]

My father called them a Polish micrometer (no offense to Poles...)

[@ncb1019]

Great job Jimmy supporting those 10 kids.

[@donaldandlelawatson6988]

I just love this airplane, I think it's one of my favorites. Love the paint it's perfect... I cannot wait to see that thing in the air Jimmy

[@therealjimmysworld]

Very soon :)

[@donaldandlelawatson6988]

@@therealjimmysworld awesome bud looking forward to it..thanks

[@donaldandlelawatson6988]

Wish I was there in Florida I'd love to volunteer my time with ya, I never got my certifications because of financial issues but I completed my airframe courses and started the power plant courses when financing went caput, and now I'm just to danged old to complete the certifications, life just got in the way lol but I love working on airplanes got burnt out on automotive work loved aircraft. I love your vlog mu friend your very insightful and just a joy to watch you work things out it's awesome . Can't wait till the next one, haven't missed a one..did you find another spinner cover yet for the blue tarp special yet? Don't you have one from your other Aztec you got when you picked up the 310? Couldn't you use one of those just curious. Anyways love what you do bud keep it up. Sure would love to see that p51 replica up in the air too. That thing looks awesome lol. Well hope you had a great independence day for you and yours....

[@mikewinings4120]

I absolutely love the ending to this story, way to go Jimmy 😊

[@williamroark4760]

My father, from the "previous sand-land war" was a KC-135 pilot. Those aircraft hold a special place in my heart. Thank you for your service, Sir.

[@jamesburns2232]

If your Dad was a KC-135 pilot, what does that make you? 🤔

[@TheX-3d]

One of my favorite videos from your channel. "It's for the kids" is as good as it gets!

[@steve6382]

Geronimo! Congratulations Jimmy. Lord bless you and the kids at that camp.

[@ecurren]

Really wished I lived closer to you Jimmy so that I could volunteer some of my time to all the cool stuff you do. Can't fly much anymore but my passion for aviation is still very strong.

[@diannebaginski3255]

The 310 next to it seems to be a mix of a 56 registration and a 310c wings from after 58... Notice the engine nacelles are longer than a 56 or 58 310b

[@jeffmccrady9456]

thats cool!! i used to love to go to my buddies junkyard!! and we would love to try to start up ole cars and trucks. it would be great to try to get a ole planeto fire up!! i couldnt fly it but? id hear it run!! lol! always watch jimmys world!!!!

[@colini8328]

Hi from UK, really enjoying it all, keep it up the good work.

[@dozerman250]

So awesome to see her come to life! We will miss her, but know she will be loved.

[@ronnydowdy7432]

I think the right engine has good compression and it will start too.

[@jrmyl]

Way to go Jimmy. Those kids are going to have a great time.

[@danalexander1960]

"Can I get a support the kids?" You rock Jimmy!!

[@goodnuff4457]

Love it! Please keep us posted on updates.

[@PoasLodge]

wow.... those blades looked close to the ground! Cool to see it run!

[@TheBarzook]

Yes the front strut seemed a bit low.

[@ZetaByteMe]

A commenter has already suggested we check the timing on #2 engine. If the mags have impulse couplings on one or both, stuck weights on the impulse couplings could also be a culprit. Some engines had impulse couplings on a single mag, and you started on that mag only, selecting the 2nd mag once the engine was running. Just some thoughts. Very entertaining! Treat that fresh #1 motor carefully, with a good break-in routine.

[@ronedson687]

My next door hanger mate has a 310 forsake out of annual but was annualed2 years ago and flown once. Might be able to get a good deal.

[@edgarmuller6652]

I think it was more than a cough on the right. Went traveling 44 years in my memories with this aircraft as it was the aircraft type for my multi engine rating in Vero Beach FL. THANKS Jimmy

[@waynem4844]

Way to go Jimmy...changing lives 10 at a time!!! Great video.

[@davidbentley145]

Nammer???...Great vid Mister Jim...Ty for this

[@stansdds]

Success! At least with the left engine, the right engine... ehhhhhh. Ten more kids getting to go to Swan Aviation Ministries Camp, that's a huge win.

[@MonkPetite]

We have ran several Aztec for years .. and the E version with the round tips was the nicest. The long nose and closed wheel pants where awesome as we flown a lot to hars weather conditions. These beast do fly well true snow and ice. Only two vor’s and one adf that was what we had. No gps but loran / deca we had as an ad on. Prime .. by opening the fuel leaver and crack the throttle .. use the pumps. Close the fuel leaver .. the mags and start …on pick up open de the fuel . These lycomings start different than continentals.

[@Watson1]

Watching your videos is like the first coffee in the morning, it just doesn’t get any better. I would love to spend a day with you, just so some of your energy rubs off on to me. Keep them coming. Thank you Wiz

[@ericgriffin397]

Jimmy, you have good enthusiasm and I love this channel!! Thank you and I know those kids are going to have a blast!!

[@chrishay4991]

Hey Jimmy! Love your channel sir!

[@jaymathieu1033]

You will love the Aztec.....They are great!

[@natal777]

Unreal Jimmy helping those kids out ! Bravo 👌👌👍👍👌👌

[@MatthewMiller716]

I'm an active duty KC-135R pilot! She's still an absolute workhorse. Nobody Kicks Ass Without Tanker Gas! NKAWTG

[@Roguescienceguy]

This man is risking his life, his bankaccount and most definitely his marriage for this crazy endeavour of his so he deserves every bit of support from us👍

[@erickvargas5427]

Great content!! Jimmy is making the difference 10 kids at the time!!awsome to see...love this vids

[@ChiliStyles]

From another pilot. You’re a good man. Not only purchasing that plane, but sponsoring the children. Those may be 10 that never had another way to go. It will mean a lot to them.

[@JerryDeLay-f6d]

Jimmy, you are an awesome man, this was the greatest video ever. Let me know how the ten kids do at camp.

[@XY_Dude]

If that were a car engine, I’d say that it’s firing before the piston gets to TDC. Could you hear my “uh oh…!”when it kicked the last time? Bendix + reverse= Break!

[@RydalS]

Jimmy is quickly becoming one of my favourite KZbin personalities

[@FreemTD83]

The conversion was done in Seguin TX. They did these conversions changing the Apachie to the Geronimo, which is also the name of a spot in the road town just north of Seguin. I was a boy around 10 or so when they did these conversions. I am 64 now. So it has been a while. The Airport it was done at is now a Mobile home manufacturing plant. Seguin is named after Juan Seguin one of the heroes form the Alamo. Seguin is pronouced Segeen, it's a Spanish name. not pronounced like the bedazzler. 😄

[@messupfreq550]

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.... it ain't oil... it's dinosaur guts. Just thought ya would wanna know. Love your terminology!

[@CapeCodCNC]

Hey Jimmy, your a good man! That was a fantastic gesture sponsoring those kids. Wish you were closer I would love to help tinker with the planes....

[@joshredding9588]

Jimmy you should add lube to the top end through the spark plug openings BEFORE turning the props over buddy…to prevent marring the cylinder sleeves. Marvel Mystery Oil works good.

[@larrytalley117]

Look, I'm an old guy who was once a pilot...now I'm sitting comfortably in my electric recliner watching another video from Jimmy's World...why get excited?....I don't know but all of a sudden when that port engine started and Jimmy shouted I felt the fog...yes the fog, that swirling miasma that disorients and creates a euphoria that is unexplainable but real. All of a sudden I found myself standing up in my recliner, jumping up and down and shouting along with Jimmy. It's gonna be a great day because I had my visit to JIMMY'S WORLD!

[@patriciakane7008]

I know what you mean! Love the airplane channels but jimmy’s world is the best! I was born and raised as a child on Melbourne airport (Florida) and now it’s an International airport. Go figure. My pilot father is long gone now but I love aviation even tho I did not care to fly that much. Four other family members are pilots as well. Love watching the takeoffs and landings from Osh Kosh too!!

[@larrytalley117]

@@patriciakane7008 Same here. Since I was a kid, living near an airport in the Panhandle of Texas, I was always enthralled with airplanes of any kind. There was a scheduled airline flight (Central Airlines) that flew DC3's over our house and I would run out and watch every day. I took my flying lessons in Oxnard California in a Grumman TR2 back in the early 70's. Loved flying but eventually ran out of money to continue. I too watch the airplane youtube sites...rebuild rescue, and the blancolira channel are the other 2. Now I fly the X Plane simulator, at least it allows me to pretend in my old age. (mid 70's)

[@vicchiapetta4166]

Thank you so much for these great videos!! From the beginning, I thought perhaps you to be quite a nice person, Then toward the end when you wished to support 10 kids, I knew you truly have a wonderful Heart!! God Bless You, and keep up the wonderful work!! I especially like the fact that you Love having your Son with you!! He will always treasure His time spent with His Dad!! Great memories!! Thanks again, Vic!!

[@ianburit3705]

I cant add any more well done`s young Jimmy, everyones said it all, but I cant not say nothing.. Jimmy you make me smile, make me laugh, make me happy, make this side of the big pond seem a bit like home as we seem to know lots about you, so, Thank the Lord above who granted you wings to fly, humour for us to smile, and Jimmys world for just making us happy.. Ian.. UK..

[@billyhaddock5540]

Congrats Jimmy and Guy's on getting both engines running in the Aztec. hard work pays/ off when u work easy..

[@bullzye101]

WoW that was interesting jimmy watching you trying to get the motors going good stuff ... and big thumbs up helping those 10 kids to go thorough that fight camp... big thumbs up #SaveThe310

[@robertwatson3111]

some of your Famous Last words (haha) "What could possibly Go Wrong!"

[@skyjakeX]

Way cool!!!!! The homemade prop paddles are my favorite :)))

[@Minecraft-gw1jv]

Being able to give to good causes and help people is what I want to do with my Life. Great Work and Congratulations on the new Plane!

[@terrallputnam7979]

Great looking plane Jimmy! Too bad that cargo door situation is better on Pablo, but that plane just looks fast with the Geronimo Upgrade!

[@patshes1951]

The starter on the left engine started much healthier from the beginning. Goold luck with fixing the other one on the right.

[@stevehicks8944]

Jimmy, invest in an oil priming tank. Nothing is harder on engine bearings than “motoring” the engine with zero indicated oil pressure.

[@mikegoodman447]

Jimmy could have used a insect sprayer or even simple oil can and applied pressure while turning it over by hand. Spinning any engine over should be pressurized after it has sat for a number of years. A cheap small insect sprayer could be pumped up and stuck in the oil line.

[@dextermuir7882]

That first cough kicked back, Jimmy. I'd have paid attention to the ignition timing before going any further. Spark was there, but was it the right 'when'?. Mag replacement would include that check.

[@goldbunny1973]

A hilarious background soundtrack at 9:40, your son is evidently having a great time! Daddy Day Care - "lock him safely inside the plane". What a life your boys are already enjoying : ) This fella you're working with today (name?) seems really genuine & honest. I'm enjoying this episode. I've had some excruciating leg injury pain to deal with lately. Jimmy's World cheers me up.

[@rickewart5089]

God Bless you Jimmy!

[@my85cats]

Awesome for the kids!

[@franksando635]

As always never a let down to watch one of your Videos 👍 I enjoy all of them 🏆

[@roadsweeper1]

heh!! That starboard engine started!! it coughed and wanted to go, and if the starter hadnt crapped itself, you would have got it going. Counts as a start in my book! Cant wait to see it fly out of there!

[@NormReitzel]

FWIW, "Seguin" is pronounced "Se-Geen" ands Sequin Aviation is my old stomping grounds. My instrument check pilot was one of the guys who goit the supplementary type certificate for the Geronomino conversion. Good luck, it';s a good aircraft.

[@peterkidd8206]

being a RC pilot love watching what you get upto and always waiting for the next vid blue sky always up cheers

[@bobtools2093]

Fantastic Jimmy

[@samphillips8322]

Hi Jimmy, The autopilot in the Aztec was a good one in its day. I never imagined any of this stuff still working 30 or 40 years later. The 310 parked next to the Aztec may turn out to be a sound airframe but the "gut" says it may be wanting two factory reman engines plus the prop STC. By now you know what to look for so no need to editorialize. I think you have discovered the good handling, performance, and relative fuel economy (for a twin) of the early model 310s. Happy trails partner!

[@stuartwest3822]

I flew KC-135s in Okinawa, hauled the F-4S out of Nam

[@rsjanko]

Check the mag timing on the right engine that kicked back before you try starting it again. A little starter fluid might have helped…

[@michaelkennedy2528]

@Jimmy World, Could you explain to the viewers why ALL (seems like it) aircraft engines seem to struggle to start. The shake, and appear to have massive amounts of compression that make it "struggle/shake" before actually starting. Thanks.

[@mikegoodman447]

The timing in these engine is fixed at full advance. Were as in a car the engine typically starts with only a few degrees advance and advances with rpm. By having a fixed advance there are less moving parts in the distributer or mag to fail and this makes the ignition system less prone to failure. Once the engine builds up a few rpms you'll see the engine usually clears right up. Some race cars have a fixed advance and can be a bugger to start but stay dead perfect the whole race.

[@michaelkennedy2528]

@@mikegoodman447 Thank you very much for the explanation, never knew that. Looks like they would sell a lot of starters with that type of stress on them. We tune cars through the ECU and can command any degree of timing we wish at pretty much any point, so no moving parts there. It would make sense that aircraft engines could do the same with the technology today, maintaining the same reliability.

[@mikegoodman447]

@@michaelkennedy2528 Seems a lot of Lycoming engines use the left magneto for starting. It has an automatic retard built in with the "power of sparks" It operates only while starting. Once the key is let off the magneto reverts back to the fixed timing. Seems aircraft engines are still stuck back in the forties technology. Not all engines have the retard feature. His could be faulty, but he should never have attempted starting without a good battery.

[@nedj10]

"That one" was the Mig we have still yet to see fly :)

[@chrisparola3949]

Jimmy you are a really good guy you have set a spark in kids life’s that will change them forever 👍

[@Nord3202]

That's a Bendix drive starter once it engages it doesn't release unless the engine starts. Never hit the start button till the prop comes to a complete start. Now you need a new ring gear & starter bendix drive. You Florida boys should know in the winter engage the bendix after you shut down the engine or it will be frozen in the morning and not engage.

[@larrypierce2777]

Jimmy, in Texas there was a collision between a single engine Cessna and a twin engine Cessna when both were coming in for a landing. All four people in the 2 aircraft perished. So, Jimmy be super careful out there and keep your eyes open. You're a great Pilot. A great mechanic, too. Hope you can get you another mechanic. Take care. Congratulation of purchase hope you get that number two engine started after the fly wheel change.

[@hovered4]

I agree timing issue on right engine is off. Also to everyone out there. Never crank an engine with open spark plug or coil wiring. The spark will discharge and find a path to ground no matter what . This cause possible alternative pathways to ground and when reassembled to plug can cause misfires. Most of the time this arcing takes place in the mag cap or distributor cap between terminal pins. Don't do it...

[@zx1100a1]

The right engine's ignition timing has too much advance on initial startup.

[@Stoney3K]

My thought exactly, that was causing the kickback as well.

[@zx1100a1]

@@Stoney3K yes sir.

[@timgould5104]

Faulty impulse coupling or starting on both can do that if the mags are good enough make a spark without the impulse. I wrecked a starter bendix by starting on both many years ago. Big kick back then slipping starter next try.

[@thresher4]

Hi Jimmy, here's a bit of trivia. You were looking for the battery and opened an access door. You saw a penciled phrase. Seguin aviation. I grew up in Seguin, (sih-GEEN) Texas, it's near San Antonio, what was Geronimo field. from '70 to '80. Seguin aviation did the mods to make the Aztec look more modern and maybe more streamlined, less drag? I don't know when they closed up. Had to been early 70s. I also worked at Santa Monica Propeller as a governor repairman. I did quite lot of Aztec overhauls of the Hartzell governors from'99 to 2000.

[@TravelogsIndia]

U r really awesome and simple bro.. love you from India. ! Clear Prop !!! ☺️☺️☺️

[@gtm624]

That guy is the real deal! Seems like a great guy! What he is doing with the kids is amazing! Must have some crazy stories from the Air Force too haha.

[@darkvalebrewer93]

Nice job Jimmy ! Absolutely brilliant to sponsor the kiddo's. A true gent, and entertaining too.

[@paulg.yarger8797]

I can definitely relate too the New Engine Smell!!! Ya Buddy, another 2 Unit BTU Fuel Converter Set of Wings!!!

[@timparhamsr9598]

in my world ..... YOU GOT BOTH engines started !!!!!

[@wtfwtfwtf7477]

Looks nice 👌 Good luck

[@Mil185]

your a good man Jimmy! Airplanes are lucky to have you.