Will LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers go undefeated in 2017 NBA Playoffs? | UNDISPUTED

[@TheFacilityonFS1]

When will the Cavaliers lose next?

[@SincereSPB]

UNDISPUTED ON FS1 game 2 In the ginals

[@basketballgod2791]

Skip and rob are delusional

[@mr.splashteen2303]

UNDISPUTED ON FS1 The next 4 games

[@untouchablemvj]

they will lose 1,2 to raps.

[@untouchablemvj]

shut up you must be a lebron hater or raptor fan, do they have fans?

[@KIONBROWN]

You mean this Cavaliers team who two weeks ago was struggling and people said that it won't be a cakewalk in the playoffs because their team has gotten worse? WOW A LOT HAS CHANGED IN TWO WEEKS!

[@basketballgod2791]

exactly twoo weeks ago skip said lebron was avoiding the bulls and the heat but now all of a sudden its too easy hahahahahha The hate for lebron is super real and it's very sad

[@mimeblood4]

Skip and most of these media members are bipolar.

[@mnybags07]

KION BROWN As information changes so do opinions and outlooks.

[@outtanowhere6288]

People on KZbin are always overreacting. Cavs struggle at the end of the season...."Cavs getting knocked out in the first round." Now people want to change their opinions.

[@mnybags07]

KION BROWN I dont think its hate for some. I think its just that some people overrate Lebron AND OR compare him to the wrong players. BTW I'm a Lebron fan.

[@ronigorani6847]

*lebron scores 26 straight points to go up 3-2 against the Pistons in the ECF* Skip: "The east is nothing but a cakewalk.". *beats the Celtics big 3* Skip:"The Celtics looked lifeless.". Skip's straight up hating.

[@atibagaskin77]

Roni Gorani facts

[@ws7921]

And he was only 22 years old playing with nobodies.

[@jrcell5832]

Roni Gorani it is still a cake walk, if lebron was in the west he would have made the finals like 3 times there's a reason why his record is the way it is in the finals

[@meilecai7508]

lol I mean The celtics were getting pretty old at that point. The big 3 were all almost at wrong side of 30s

[@IAMvonte-2518]

Jr cell Injuries, that's the reason

[@C2Poke]

Parker and Skip are intentionally confusing the argument in a dishonest way. They're comparing the east during Lebron's 6 straight Finals runs to the competition MJ faced in the 80s. But MJ didn't make any Finals runs in the 80s. All of MJ's Finals runs happened from 1991-1998. Bird's Celtics, Magic's Lakers and Isiah's Pistons were no longer great teams in '91 when MJ won his first title. So the argument should about the level of Eastern Conference competition from 1991-93/1996-98 for MJ versus the level of Eastern Conference competition from 2011-2017 for Lebron. But they don't want to do that because it will show their blatant MJ bias. When you compare MJ's championship teams to the rest of the Eastern Conference in those years, it's obvious he had a cakewalk to the Finals every year. Furthermore, since MJ had the only super team in the NBA during his championship years, he also had a cakewalk opponent in every Finals he played in.

[@C2Poke]

Daz - That Orlando Magic team was NOT in their prime. That is another lie that gets repeated often. When MJ's Bulls swept them in '96, Penny Hardaway was only 24 years old and Shaq was only 23 years old. Shaq didn't hit his prime until he went to the Lakers.

[@C2Poke]

Daz - It's time for you MJ lovers to get out of your feelings. You want to have a GOAT discussion where EVERYONE gets nitpicked to death except MJ. That's bulls**t. You can't have a real GOAT discussion without nitpicking MJ too. KD/Russ/Harden/Ibaka may have been "babies", but they were all on the same team, and they were FAVORED to beat the Heat in the 2012 Finals. Barkley was by himself. Ewing was by himself. Miller was by himself. Stockton and Malone didn't have much help. Shaq and Penny were also "babies". Russ/KD/Harden are better than all those guys except Shaq - and Lebron had to face them when they were all on the same team. How the f**k can you hate on that?

[@C2Poke]

Daz - The proof is in your actions. If you were a NBA fan, and not a MJ lover, you'd be able to appreciate the greatness of other players. You wouldn't be so dismissive of other players accomplishments. I've been a NBA fan for 37 years. I've seen the entire NBA careers of the guys you argue about. I speak what I know, not what the media wants me to think. MJ is an all-time great. He is arguably the GOAT. But people need to stop worshipping at the man's altar so much that we can't even appreciate how great Lebron is. People give a lot of lame excuses for why they hate Lebron. But the real reason he gets so much hate, is because he is the first real threat to MJ's mythical GOAT status. And that's a damn shame.

[@C2Poke]

Daz - I have to setup for an event I'm working. I'll hit you back in a couple hours.

[@EliteAceGoro612]

omg thank you man, i was wondering why they werent talking about lebron facing those tough teams before he went to miami and michaels super team

[@justinwalker4975]

People act like the east is only weak... the west is weak TOO! Both the Warriors and Cavs will have no issue getting to the finals. This is very evident.

[@justinwalker4975]

that's a legit argument, thee ole typical make a statement but don't elaborate because they don't have facts. THUMBS UP TO YOU!

[@ethiopianpride8732]

That's stupid. 3rd seed in the West is 1st in the East, 5th in the West is tied for 2nd. Records aside, the top 5 teams in the West can beat every East team minus Cavs

[@DraeDiamond]

Huh? Lol😂😂😂

[@thetaylorproject1980]

Ethiopian Pride you know how you can prove that, let's see another top 5 team in the west, like say according to y'all logic, the grizzles, jazz, clipppers, or houston, make it to a finals, how bout that, they should make it to a finals, that would show everyone.

[@justinwalker4975]

you're slow bro its ok

[@s.j.4952]

This "east is weak , no competition " narrative is getting old if this is the case why don't free agents go to the east when the only competition is lebron ? The east is weak because everyone fears lebron , you can only play who's in front of you

[@thubb326]

Sj lol u mean LeBron Wade Bosh Irving love ray Allen run the East

[@ayewatt9980]

So why don't any of these All-Stars join teams in the east since it's only LeBron to beat in the east?

[@kurtisgalloway218]

Players are getting paid 20 to 30+ million dollars a year. The cap is basically nonexistent right now.

[@phil6057]

So we're just gonna forget when LeBron played against the Celtics with Garnett, Pierce, Allen and Rondo. 3 first ballot hall of famers, and another player who was arguably the best PG in the league. He played against the Nets when they had Jason Kidd and Vince Carter. The Pistons with Billups, Prince, Hamilton and Ben Wallace. The Magic with a prime Dwight Howard. I'm. It saying his road was tougher than Jordan's, but let's not act like he's. ever played against really good players

[@DraeDiamond]

Did he get through to the finals with them there?

[@stixo26]

So LeBron didn't have to go through Detroit, Celtics, Bulls and Pacers?

[@seagramrtx9346]

Damn, every single one of Rob Parker's points were horrible...he's clearly biased against Lebron

[@ubong5172]

WHO!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME ONE NAME WHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@yankeefanmrod]

Facts hurt Tyler Lee. Sorry you were born yesterday. NBA is nothing compared to what it was in the 80s/90s. Having bad breath today gets whistled for a foul. You kids...

[@connorsmith6517]

yankeefanmrod lmao this is such a false narrative that the 80s and 90s was just some ferocious defensive era. IT WASNT! Yes defense looked tougher but it was actually easier back in the day. Only defense allowed was Man vs man.

[@DTruong8]

Before the playoffs started didn't everyone say that the Cavs weren't going to make the finals because the East is a lot tougher this year? Now everyone's saying he has a cakewalk to the finals because there's no competition?

[@topnotchblood]

East has always been weak. Will be weak next year too

[@alive8314]

My question is why don't know of these so called super stars in the west come to the east??? Cuz they're afraid to play against 1 players. LBJ

[@teezy9790]

A Live because east teams are trash.. why would a superstar want to go to a mediocre team like Toronto or the wizards

[@pvtevilpants]

ProfessorFinesser now they're mediocre? Weren't people saying before the season ended that the cavs were in trouble and might get knocked out of the playoffs?

[@LiLFitzdatboi]

ProfessorFinesser take LeBron off the Cavs what do you have? Why didnt Durant go to DC? Why won't Curry go to Charlotte? Why won't Chris Paul join Melo in New York? Why won't anybody join one of these teams who are one player away from winning?

[@ETTMedia3700]

A Live Now, I think players will consider teams like the Celtics or Wizards... considering if they​ have the cap space

[@teezy9790]

Josh Densford I can't speak for these "people" that you speak of.. but I know damn sure that everyone i know thought the cavs would run the east with ease

[@DatBoi_YT]

Here we go Robs on the show, again for no reason. What good points did he make this entire segment.... Ill wait.....

[@jigeahah5058]

its Dat Boi he's a straight up ignorant trash.

[@problemsnearyou3863]

its Dat Boi that lebron has no competition in the east .. he didn't need to say anything else his point was valid

[@jigeahah5058]

ProblemsNear You its valid right now, the only team that can challenge him is Washington. But he said his entire career lol, that's blasphemous.

[@problemsnearyou3863]

jigeahah there was Boston & Orlando & Pistons so that is invalid . He wasn't going to the finals those years though

[@Jiynzo]

Lebron had to go against a great celtics team and pistons lol what is rob talking about

[@davyjoneslocker4859]

Protik Ak LeBron only had to play pistons once but the Celtics Yeah somewhat

[@Sign_Your_Will]

Protik Ak both won 1 championship and lost another, only great in their championship seasons

[@sleaziestking4703]

Willie James so pistons ran the east for 8 yrs

[@B-rad-hn4ky]

Protik Ak all those teams players were past there primes. Those teams were all in their mid thirties when Lebron beat them. When Jordan beat the Pistons most of their players were under 30

[@sireboby6367]

Brad Readnour They were over 30.. They were an aging team as well

[@OOTD_]

I could have sworn just weeks ago they said this will be a tough playoffs for LeBron.

[@argenispena888]

Lebron had to fight the celtics big 3, lebron had to deal with orlando magic when Dwight was at his peak, when he was in Miami all series vs indiana went 6 or 7 games and also demolish Derrick Rose MVP season in the eastern conference finals

[@benwahl3299]

Argenis Peña that magic team was straight garbage

[@JuniusR]

Argenis Peña All facts

[@kardiokev]

Ben wahl At the time. They we're a threat tf you mean...

[@shanefernandez8768]

Argenis Peña No. You're wrong. He got slaughtered against Dirk. He lost to the Warriors once. And the Spurs ruined his life. Jordan didn't crumble mentally in bunch of 4 quarters. Just give it up. Good for Lebron for getting CLE a ring. But you're delusional. Get over it son. You're not as convincing as you think you are.

[@VrzifyD]

Shane Fernandez when mj retired for the the first time the bulls went from 57 wins to 55.... how can you lose the greatest player of all time and still be the first seed... when Lebron leaves a team they don't even get close to the playoffs

[@roshananderson]

Why did Shannon not say: Gilbert Arenas Caron Butler Ben Wallace Rasheed Wallace Chauncey Billups Tashuan Prince Jason Kidd Vince Carter Kevin Garnett Rajon Rondo Derrick Rose Paul Pierce Ray Allen Carmelo Anthony Amare Stotemire Dwayne Wade Shaq Demar Derozan Chris Bosh Isaiah Thomas Joe Johnson Dwight Howard Deron Williams etc

[@Tremaine26]

Young Hov preach

[@Robert-kq7wx]

Young Hov That's a fact

[@izRashad]

............................stop this guy said deron williams lmfaoooo and lebron hasnt even versed some of these dudes in the post season. Who mans is this hahahaha

[@supremedream5049]

L

[@ADAJ3KINGANGEL]

Young Hov Antawn Jamison scored 20K points in his career, he should be on that list too.

[@jj10176]

I like how they ignored lebrons first 7 years in the league where he had to face Ben wallaces pistons and the big 3 Celtic's and lebron took the celtics and garnett was the dpoy that season to 7 games in 08 and they were ranked number 1 in defense but yet mentioned how mj struggled

[@ss4gogeta05]

jj169327 you mean the time when he took all of his competitors like Wade, Bosh, and Allen and made a super team.

[@jj10176]

SS4 Goku how was bosh competition when before he went to Miami he only went to the playoffs twice and it was in 07 and 08 wade never even faced lbj in the playoffs he was getting injured or getting tossed out in the 1st round. ray allen was only averaging 10ppg clearly that's real competion

[@jj10176]

you are talking about Jordan beating the bad boy pistons are we gonna act like Dennis rodman wasn't on that team anymore, that same year isiah thomas was averaging a career low in points and not mention he was injured going against the bulls with his injured hand at that and his points declined in the playoffs. bill lambier wasn't even the same anymore this dude couldn't even make the all star team anymore after 1987. mark aguire who use to average 20 plus points per game couldn't even make an all star team anymore and not to mention he by the time he faced Jordan in 91 he was only averaging 14ppg. Can't forget rick mohorn the won they use to call the baddest off everyone on that team because of how physical he was he left that team in 89. the celtics were good for their age but the most points they averaged when they had to play Jordan and not to mention they couldn't play defense like they use to

[@usr2842]

Imagine this show without LeBron....oh wait

[@RahulPresentsKobe]

LOL "29 and 27" and he said "OLD". shows how ignorant some of these LeBron fans are. At least some people are observing how easy it's been for him the past 7-8 years.

[@RahulPresentsKobe]

No..the whole league makes his opponents look easy.

[@inakialvarez4267]

" nothing but cake walk " game 7 vs boston, game 7 vs pacers

[@felixgalarza2954]

Rob Parker is annoying asf not letting shannon sharpe talk lmfao

[@somewhatlikegod]

Srsly his voice is so annoying too

[@G14able]

Anyone who say the east is easy should prove it by joining a team in the east and then get to the finals at least 3 times in a row.

[@dtlion15]

they act like Golden State doesn't have it easy in the playoffs

[@landwolf00]

Felix Galarza it's because he can't argue facts/stats.

[@karimosman2734]

i agree but sometimes shannon himself interrupts or don't listen to joy when she trying to say some Analytic stats or something like that

[@ADAJ3KINGANGEL]

So the Celtics with Rondo, Pierce, Allen, & Garnett plus the Pistons with Chauncey, RIP, & the Wallaces were nobody? Say what you want about the Pacers, but they took the Heat with Lebron to 7 games one year. That the "East is weak" argument is so lazy & disrespectful to how good NBA players are. Lebron is just better.

[@teezy9790]

ADAJ3 lebrons TEAMS are just better. I'm sorry you cant say with a straight face you expected a team with lebron James, d wade, Chris bosh and ray Allen to loose to the pacers.

[@str8duval]

well if Ray Allen is 37 and D-Wade is no longer the Superstar he was playing injured I suppose that that could give the Pacers a Fighting Chance

[@ethiopianpride8732]

D Wade was giving the Heat 20 a game efficiently on average (obviously less towards the last year). Don't downplay him. And pacers only had 1 star always

[@QBeezzy11]

Tr Yet wade average 15 points in 2014 finals bosh averaged 13 points

[@Whoknows285]

ProfessorFinesser lebrons team never had any bench

[@wesleysnipes3653]

LeBron taking a 1 star cavs team to the finals is a cake walk too right?

[@brzy1188]

So Jordan gets credit for the work of a GM as well now? Its not LeBron's fault the Cavaliers were so inept they never got him a Scottie Pippen or Dennis Rodman, he gave them 7 solid years and they gave him nothing in return. So he forced it himself. If Jordan was on that Cavaliers team maybe he wouldn't have left... but he also wasn't chasing the ghost of the legend of MJ under pressure to win rings and if he had stayed he by all likelihood would have 0 rings to show for his loyalty and would not go down as the GOAT. I get why it rubs people the wrong way but think about it, we all knew he was chasing greatness, he wasn't going to sacrifice his legacy for blind loyalty to an organisation that couldn't deliver what he needed, the decision was their fault not LeBron's.

[@azikkii]

LeBron had to get through an all time Celtics team with Rondo, Pierce, Allen and KG which took him a while actually, the Pacers who had Stephenson, George and Hibbert were a matchup nightmare for the Heat and then you had the Bulls with a healthy Derrick Rose/Butler and a lock down defense. LeBron has played through some very intense Eastern Conference defensive grindy teams.

[@jasongoulding5291]

How does Rob Parker still have a job? Everytime his face pops up I tune out

[@adamispahany3698]

Shannon is right

[@dantheman5607]

are we argueing that the blazers and jazz are much better than the pacers and raptors?

[@Blackboy559]

jazz is better than the jazz got it

[@dantheman5607]

*****​ lol my bad I heard them say the jazz while typing which made me type that instead of the raptors

[@Blackboy559]

bahah i was confused when i read your i though i was trippin

[@ricnguty5414]

The Jazz are in the west, so you would have to compare the Jazz with GSW or the Spurs. Paul George is better than Reggie Miller. Jordan's east was mostly a cakewalk.

[@atibagaskin77]

Dan The man lol! right!

[@MrEricjones5]

Shannon sharp has a good knowledge of nba and nfl history I'm impressed

[@JustDatYoungin]

"lebron has never had to struggle" i guess the celtics don't count :/

[@kylealtshuler]

Please never have Rob Parker on this show again

[@yurhomi4478]

Kyle Altshuler I lost it when he said that Tracy McGrady is not HoFer. The disrespect...

[@kylegems62]

Kyle Altshuler consistent flow of awful flows from his mouth. glad I haven't seen him on these youtube highlights in a while

[@ES-di6vx]

lmfao

[@arisbougadis5548]

Kyle Altshuler he's actually so stupid

[@munoken]

Kyle Altshuler why cause he's talking facts and not a delirious Lebron fan?

[@rexbirgisson6540]

Ive never seen Shannon make such a bad argument. He could have easily named Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett as HOFers Lebron has beaten in the east. Also could have argued that Jordan had a cakewalk in the finals while Lebron has played much tougher teams like GSW and SAS, which explains why Lebron makes more finals but has a worse record.

[@lebronjohnson6735]

Rob Parker is lowkey a worse Lebron hater than Skip lol

[@galaxyeyes8772]

sup Lewagoner. *highfive*

[@forks3819]

Kim Powilleit facts ain't hating

[@carlosruiz6297]

Kim Powilleit He said Lebrons a Great player, just has an easier path to the finals.

[@KingDerris_]

just because he isn't a bronsexual doesn't make him a hater. lol

[@evolution71]

Rob Parker is the same idiot who used to say lebron would never win a championship

[@thetruth9723x]

lebron didnt have struggles for the first 7 years?

[@lengend03]

Adam Barett The league can barely touch lebron, but spanked mj a***. Thats the major difference when it comes to the struggle.

[@southerng7378]

Lebron had to face Tim Duncan three times and put the only blemish on Tim's career in the Finals.

[@MrGenexxx]

ray allen.

[@BlackhawkGamer-yx9qx]

MrGenexxx 4th quarter comeback by LBJ

[@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh]

Ray Allen... Again

[@khaliyl21]

+MrGenexxx game 7

[@melvinjackson6552]

Lebron's 3 set the stage for Ray's 3 but lets ignore that. Logic

[@kingjames653]

people always say lebron going to miami is wrong but what if never had shaq what if michael never had Scoti what if magic never had karem are going to say that will never left there team I'm sorry I'm not buying that.

[@juventinos81]

its not so hard to understand the difference here.these players didnt join opponent superstars to make a superteam(exept shaq who admitted himself that he was a ring chaser).jordan didnt team up with magic,bird,barkley,dominique,drexler,isiah etc to join forces and win a championship.he wanted to win against them.lebrom joined miami and when he saw that miami is not gonna last more he went back to cleveland cause of kevin love and irving.if cleveland didnt have those players lebron would be somewhere else.

[@jigeahah5058]

juventinos81 but lebron already played his best in that 7 year period and still the front office won't support him. You know no player can beat the entire NBA alone with no good players around him. But in Jordan's case, he had a good coach, good front office, he had no reason to pull off what lebron did. And in that era, star players are scattered, yea there's a lot of HOF calibre players at that time but teams then has 1 at most 2 HOF but the Bulls itself has 3, and the Bulls team itself is great without him and teams without lebron is straight trash. I'm just saying tho and not taking anything away from Jordan at all.

[@davidr7142]

My Predictions before the Playoffs for Cavs: Cavs vs Pacers: 4-0 Cavs vs Craptors: 4-0 Cavs vs Boston: 4-0 No debate its #FAXX

[@atibagaskin77]

Stephen A. Smith not sure but possible

[@brandonconti4107]

Cavs celtics is gonna go 7

[@davidr7142]

You're an idiot. Seriously. Boston won't win a game in Cleveland.. Maybe 1 in boston MAX

[@brandonconti4107]

Just wait lol, that series is going 7 then cavs warriors goes 7

[@adammoulsdale]

Cavs vs Washington

[@cns187]

Joy looking extra fine today

[@kelleybrown2626]

it's simple and plain that LeBron James always had an easier route to the finals

[@Mistercodpro]

Why does no one ever talk about the road Kobe had to go through to get to the finals

[@InFamous029]

The west is definitely stronger but if the east is such a "cakewalk", why does nobody go to east to contended? Because they don't want to go through LeBron.

[@atibagaskin77]

Lucious facts!!

[@ab-soulblacklippastorzestg8148]

Lucious well you can't take away what lebron has done but I'm sure everyone wants to meet lebron at the top. Those teams in the East can't be superstars and some role players that would start on any other team aka The cavs.

[@DraeDiamond]

No because they have either contending or built teams in the west. Not everyone is going to be Lebron and leave their team for a championship.

[@samsaman3638]

This Rob guy does not know what he is talking about. Even skip was quiet lol.

[@kardiokev]

Do they not remember 8 years ago when LeBron couldn't pass up the Celtics? Or even the Pistons in his early years. Why can't they just accept that HE IS the competition now.. he's the best in the East and ain't no one can do anything about it. Who is this guy......

[@drnoahpepper]

I was shouting "THE BIG 3 IN BOSTON" at my computer throughout this excruciating segment

[@pepsi1182]

I love it when Joy and Skip team up to take down LeShannon LeSharpness LMFAO

[@unctay]

they say the west is tough...where? how? Warriors have a cake walk too. Who? Spurs arent who u think they are, theres no Timmy.... The Rockets runs a system under dantoni that hasnt been proven to win Championship. Clippers are a bust. The Jazz are the Jazz. Cake walk for both super teams.

[@ruhin20errbs74]

Unc Tay rockets and spurs alone better then every east team and cavs would be 4th seed in west

[@AydieselBeats]

West is Trash! GSW and SPURS are the only two with real competition!

[@ozzy4ever666]

and the Cavs are the only contender in the East...

[@tomglantz9642]

Jazz rockets clippers Spurs when healthy are better than all east teams except the cavs

[@unctay]

Rushking20 #terribletowels ok i hear that but with the Durant aquisition the Warriors are a mile ahead of the competition in the West. So when Lebron has to face the Warriors imagine that.

[@basketballgod2791]

Cavs will be fine until the finals. The finals is where everybody will be tested. On another note rob is a straight up hater. There are a bunch of players that could have went to the east but they didn't. Ask KD and those guys why they wanted to go west instead of facing Lebron. Lebron is an all round player he has not struggled much because he was too busy averaging 27 points a game for his career. It's amazing people find any excuse as to why Lebron is so good. Two weeks ago Yall said cavs would lose first round and now it's too easy?????

[@tigertank06]

So people who critcize Lebron are haters now? Is Lebron above criticism? Is that what it is? We can't say anthying bad about him? Take your blinders off man. The reason why so many players went to the West is because the West is more competitive than the East and them going to the East is not going to improve those team. Western teams were already good once the players you mentioned went to them. Eastern teams have been bad for a while now.

[@tigertank06]

No.

[@SawamiJude]

The Cavaliers win in 2016 and it's because Draymond was suspended in Game 5 and Bogut was injured; however the Warriors win in 2015 and it isn't because LeBron didn't have Kyrie or K Love????

[@cgm8243]

Arguably the best debate and perspective I've ever heard MJ vs LBJ ..CASE CLOSED!!!

[@Oflashy1]

" Here we go again " - Skip at the end LMAOOOOO ... That's all I ever say

[@mainani1781]

Boston when LeBron was in Miami had 3 possibly 4 hofs and they talk about that LeBron faced noone good in the east . Also the pacers took them to 7 back in 2013 but they conveniently forgot about those teams .

[@RBHOLLYWOOD26]

Don't forget in 2010-2011 when the Bulls had the best record in basketball with MVP Derrick Rose. And LeBron beat that team in the Eastern Conference Finals in 5 games.

[@mainani1781]

Joey Ferguson thank you

[@bigguccisolo6751]

Lebron had to face the Truth KG and big game Ray so what we really saying tho ..

[@dibsports]

Frank Swain they were old. LeBron never faced a power team except the Celtics who were on their last legs. Same with the Pistons. Jordan faced with Celtics and Pistons in their prime. Boston was good for three years and declined due to age.

[@Sign_Your_Will]

Frank Swain it equaled out because it was him, DWade & Bosh

[@bigguccisolo6751]

But Lebron has faced better talent in the finals not to mention he took a average cavs team to the finals so stars or not you at least know your making the finals with Lebron in the east

[@bigguccisolo6751]

Willie James ecately

[@TheCrimsonLynxx]

DIB Sports old? Um he beat them two years in a row AFTER THEY JUST TOOK KOBE TO 7 GAMES IN THE FINALS.

[@GodKingKnight]

Rob Parker Your just old bro. Your on that Jordan juice full time. Who were the greats Jordan beat in the Finals? Name a few.....Now name the ones Lebron beat in the Finals. Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook.....etc etc. I think you lose bro....

[@inforno2349]

GodKingKnight I'm a LeBron fan but Jordon has beaten, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, James Worthy, Charles Barkley, John Stokton, and Karl Malone

[@GodKingKnight]

you are right. however.... we're any of the guys you mentioned in their prime

[@inforno2349]

GodKingKnight wasn't Charles Barkley in the late part of his prime??

[@GodKingKnight]

Inforno234 Barely. and most of those guys are not finals contestants. Early playoffs.

[@str8duval]

Magic was 32. Same as LeBron is now. James Worthy Worthy, Barkley and Kevin Johnson were in there prime Drexler was in his prime as well as Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton. Karl Malone during his MVP season and John Stockton

[@Wewritestories]

Lebron played the celtics. The magic with Howard in his prime. Played wade. Played melo. Played a good pacers team with hibbert. Played the pistons with Hamilton, Chauncey, the wallaces, and prince. Played a good bulls team with rose.

[@asieduy]

Celtics with Big 3, 60-win Bulls with MVP Rose, 60-Win Hawks... all very good teams. And don't forget earlier in his career when he had to face the championship Pistons with Billups, Rasheed, Tayshaun and co.

[@suivatra123]

I wonder if Rob will call LeBron a cornball brotha if they lose more than 1

[@kevinwilson3296]

Artavius Simpson All the superstars in the west had offers to come to the east but lebron is over there nobody wants to face lebron until the finals nobody wants to face lebron multiple times throughout the season and risk not making the playoffs and if the east is so "Weak" why is it so hard to get a 60 win team over there than it is in the west explain that to me

[@suivatra123]

Ya Boy Can Game What does any of that have to do with my comment?

[@kevinwilson3296]

Artavius Simpson it wasnt a reply it was an actual comment for myself Idk why it posted as a reply

[@Ham_1982]

MJ sorry, he didn t win against great teams, that s a fact, but he is great player regardless of that, no lies please... he lost several years until pippen arrived!! Lebron is the greatest athletes i ve seen ever, and i lived in the Jordan era, tracy mcgrady was a nasty great player, he was a mix of durant and kobe, if only he stayed healthy, do people really watch live basketball, or they just see highlights at the end of the games!!!

[@rosarodriguez397]

Ham Ait yeah thats what youngins do lol

[@lilcobe829]

fuddyduddie1 what do points have to do with anything did Jordan team win that game tho 🤔😂

[@inexactends2393]

And if you saw the pressures LeBron had entering his career and the fact that he lived up to it, you'd see his greatness

[@jogmesson]

LeBron is one of the greatest, but sorry, he's not the GOAT

[@yankeefanmrod]

Another idiot statement by a kid who only saw Lebron. Fact: Jordan played against more HOF competition (absoultely loaded, tough squads in the 80s/90s), won more, played in an actually competitive Eastern conference, dominated competition in an era of hard fouls, and did it all in less time (shorter career) than LJ. Today's NBA is a watered down JOKE version of what it used to be (thanks to CBA, rule changes beginning in 2000)

[@unclewatt9028]

if the West so tough why does 1 team rule for years

[@kevmersa6578]

uncle Watt Great point!

[@unclewatt9028]

Kev Mersa I think they say that to discredit LeBron legacy because TBH LeBron has just as much control over the league as the owners

[@Playeressence]

Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, all future HOF

[@ragzy02]

Check this competition out: The 1998 Utah Jazz, on their run to the NBA Finals, had to beat an 8th seeded Rockets team featuring Olajuwon, Barkley, and Drexler. Their 2nd round opponent was the Spurs with David Robinson and Tim Duncan. In the West Finals, they beat Shaq and Kobe's Lakers, and then finally fell in the Finals to Jordan and co.

[@cedrickcarson3201]

I been on record saying if LeBron didn't go to Miami and LEARNED HOW TO BE A WINNER and DEVELOP A KILLER INSTINCT ALONGSIDE D WADE he wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Michael, Kobe, Magic, Larry Bird. LeBron worshippers/apologists will never come to this realization...

[@samanthabent2983]

Lebron himself said this. What's your point here

[@cedrickcarson3201]

Sammehh Bent ppl gloss over that. That's the point.

[@cedrickcarson3201]

Sammehh Bent when he say this????

[@samanthabent2983]

He said in an interview that by going to Miami he learnt what it takes to become a winner. Where he had to be mentally and the type of sacrifices that he would have to make if he truly wanted to win. I'll try and find the video

[@cedrickcarson3201]

Sammehh Bent okay sweetie I apologize. I do recall that

[@yungtrustfund8098]

Rob the Hater

[@bobbygrey6199]

Shannon clearly lost this one. Too many factz....

[@therebelmethod1520]

they both played some great players. People forget how great Gilbert Arenas was in his prime. He was better than many hall of famers. Didn't have a hall of fame career. but had the skill. amazing talent

[@7elEvan1]

kevin garnett, ray allen, Paul pierce, Derrick rose, Rasheed and Ben Wallace, chauncey billups, tayshaun prince, Dwight Howard...

[@nomorejokes15]

maybe he didnt play agianst hall of famers but LeBrons Cavs team back then was trash

[@emcr26]

And he still made it to the finals

[@malevolent9505]

Lebron James will win his 4th ring.

[@dibsports]

Phil Jackson not this year.

[@enriquerafaelgomez3344]

Phil Jackson - I wish god heard you.

[@javoncook2441]

Not this year!!

[@michaeledwards1552]

lebron is like tom brady in the afc u aint beating or getting passed them in the playoffs..

[@peytonlee55]

michael edwards broncos 2015-2016

[@michaeledwards1552]

i mean he goes to the championship almost every year like lebron and broncos just had a good defense

[@kumorizora2507]

michael edwards Ravens 2012-2013

[@michaeledwards1552]

flacco was possessed also was anquan bolden matter of fact that whole ravens team was cause of ray lewis retiring

[@wajutiem08]

During the regular season people were feeling sorry for the CAVS and believed they had no chance because the team had no DEFENSE. Then all of a sudden now people are saying they are playing an easy East. What changed?

[@darthlokisidious7819]

skip your the man!!! love the new show on foxsports fs1!!!

[@feedfelix]

Lebron left his hometown chasing a ring with a Big 3 in Miami,Jordan never left Chicago and he win 6 rings 2 threepeat for them,Lebron would have 0 rings if he had never left Cleveland.

[@DiRTyWoRK_TV]

EXACTLY!! why would someone EVERRRR give themselves a better chance to become a champion???

[@DraeDiamond]

+MySTa JoNeZ L

[@orangejuice7835]

Felixbsnpr M mj had a great organization with phil jackson as his coach, lebron didnt have any of that. Leaving was his only option to win a ring

[@lengend03]

The league can barely touch lebron, but spanked mj a***. Thats the major difference when it come to the struggle.

[@Shadow-nj6cr]

They'll go 15-1

[@dougdimadome9919]

Shadow 0876 16-1

[@Commandosoap777]

Nah they lose in the finals

[@Commandosoap777]

12-4

[@kalealennis3515]

Commandosoap777 20-0

[@terrenceperkins5282]

u rite there no body in the east there no real center in the NBA 7"0 or 6 ""11. its easy to get 2 the rim . im 37 year old . look what the God Mj the real 23 . face as far center back then 😮dunk on too lol. 1 Ewing lb240 7" 2 shaq 300 7" 3 Harlem 235 6"11 4 rick Smith 280 7"4 5 Kareem 260 7"1 6 parish 250 7"0 7yao 280 7"6 8 David 260 muscle 7" 9walton 249 6"10 10 Moses 240 6"9 I can go on too . real hof to not just giving ppl in the hall of fame. playing 10 + year no awards today NBA is cool but weak east & west youngsters out there

[@youngfuturesupreme3901]

Its not lebron fault the east aint as good as them

[@adrianwinnin1944]

YoungFuture Supreme no it's not lebron fault...but then again witnesses still wanna give all this credit for finals appearances...can't do that

[@str8duval]

well he deserves the majority of the credit considering his teams don't seem to play with that well without him. yet when he goes up against teams that are clearly Superior people have no problem giving him all of the blame

[@jsm530]

heyyy it's the corn ball brother guy. welcome back!

[@cget]

Why are the Big 3 Celtics, Pacers, and Bulls all of a sudden not "true" competition now? The Celtics took the Heat to 7 games, the Pacers took the Heat to 7 games, and the Bulls were the #1 eastern team who won 62 games. You guys didn't even bring up *before* LeBron joined the Heat, when the Pistons and Celtics were killing the Cavs. I'll admit the last 4 years have been a cake walk, but don't act as if the east has always been easy.

[@mma99]

If it's so easy why aren't other superstars making it to the finals every year? Don't punish Lebron for being better than his competition. Look at east teams records vs west teams, the east isn't as weak as people think. Show me a west player making it to the finals that consistently. Just because they can't do it doesn't automatically mean it is easier for Lebron.

[@yoelpachuco6875]

This guest spitting the truth god damn

[@forks3819]

Shannon got destroyed on this one. 29 is old 😂

[@ZeusThe10]

Shannon made the point that it was Isiah Thomas' 11th year considering he played for 13 then yeah it can be considered old. Technology and medicine wasn't as advance as it is today so athletes today are playing longer

[@ss4gogeta05]

ZeusThe10 a lot of players play at a high level way after their 11th season. Shannon did get destroyed. I'm glad somebody finally corrected him on constantly saying the Pistons were old. The Bulls made them look old and people always want to make excuses for losing like being injured and not at 100%. Nobody would have called them old if they won. So were they old the year before when they won the Finals? Everybody with sense knows that Lebron has not faced any real competition in the East. The competition he did face he get rid of it by teaming up with Wade, Bosh, and taking Allen from the Celtics.

[@randomguy3711]

If you make the argument that it was more physical, then you admit that their body's could take but so many years back then. So they were old for their times as players.

[@JUSPRNCE]

60 is old

[@Chrisjb1983]

Any way you look at it, both conferences have just as many stars and potential future HOFers as each other. I wouldn't shun those old Piston teams LBJ faced, the Celtic teams, the ATL teams. Pacers and Magic were some tough battles. Not to mention the Heat LBJ didn't really have to face post season. Who has been in the West over the last 14 years? GSW, Mavericks, Spurs, Lakers. You can toss in the OKC Thunder and Suns for a potential tough battle as well. That's about it. Both conferences stack up evenly, Lebron is just that great. Rockets are playing well this year, that's about it.

[@890saraskulas]

I remember this question was asked about the 2012 NBA Playoffs and the Spurs and then they lost to the OKC

[@BEDCORN]

Rob Parker exposed LeShannon

[@daevonthesavage7483]

Bedcorn RIGHT!

[@pridgenbackup3791]

Shannon says Isaiah was in his 11th season and old?? cuz by that logic lebron james is ANCIENT

[@eba0202]

larry bird and mj really only played 13 seasons , so

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

Jordan and his Bulls coasted each year to the finals and coasted to many of their wins never having needed a game 7. LeBron went up against way better teams in the finals.

[@ZeitGeist_TV]

L-Mighty Effect In the finals my dude the *FINALS*

[@rycannon5905]

I like that point from skip that players now can put it into there own hands to build a team via free agency

[@avi6]

ROB=FACTS !!!!!!!!! Keeping it 💯

[@BrianCheng24]

Cavs will go 12-0 in the postseason and then they'll be 0-4 in the Finals.

[@TalkinnGrubbinMedia]

The Warriors aren't gonna sweep the Cavs even with that squad.

[@tomasmaria3066]

Talkin' & Grubbin' He says warriors will go 12-0 all way to the finals and lose 0-4 to cavs

[@BrianCheng24]

The Warriors will be nice and give LeBum one game. 4-1

[@bobillathezilla8542]

I think you guys are delusional. They are gonna make stops on KD and force him to take lead. If it does come to GS and CLE in finals, which it most likely will, I think it's gonna be closer than you guys think.

[@TalkinnGrubbinMedia]

Just like last year, right?

[@MrJBleedge]

When you play in the eastern conference, every year is a cakewalk to the finals

[@dxthompson09363]

Bring Rob Parker on more often i like Skip, Shannon, and Mark debates.

[@zackmarin4676]

Rob Parker, you know LeBron had actually had an uphill battle in the finals. Jordan has not. LeBron led his team to a come back from a 3-1 deficit.

[@chewyyo3383]

There was a lot of good team in the east when lbj was young. Nets,wizards,heat,celtics,pistons. Those team all had good players

[@_IAmTheSC]

Lebron had battles with the Pistons, Celtics, Bulls, Pacers and Wizard's when Arenas was on fire but he just happened to prevail. His struggle was against the Celtics.

[@EddiePReacts]

No resistance in the east? 1. Boston Celtics 2. Detroit Pistons who won the championship 3. Pacers were solid until Hibbert fell apart. 4. D Wade was an issue in Wades prime 5. Lbj lost to the spurs with no help in the finals when he finally got out of the east. They were so good and still are good

[@kurtwagner350]

Those old defensive pacers were really good

[@iltercio]

Preach, Shannon! Those fools just hurt to watch!

[@blackyemen]

This was a good debate.

[@UPhoneIFlip]

I guess no one saw the Orlando magic led led by Michael pietrus goin ham on the cavs in 08

[@voltron736]

lol

[@amschmidlkofer]

Wow. I feel so bad for Shannon. Clearly he does have a bias towards LeBron, but even when he's shooting straight facts, it's a 3v1 fight.

[@kylebrown6445]

Why didn't Shannon just say: Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett? Three hall of famers right there.

[@alanmiddleton7144]

Shannon you should have said Lebron went up against Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, and an Orlando Magic team that was lights out from deep