Will More Pros Start Doing This?

[@BryantWheat]

Brodie just makes a lot of sense most of the time. Very solid and well thought out points.

[@funkgremlin2765]

Found Brodies burner

[@Eaglemadhatter]

​@@funkgremlin2765 I was thinking Kelci?

[@C.A.D.]

What?? 😂

[@RiceDaddy-wo2fy]

😂😂😂

[@acelessjoes]

THIS IS A RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION I TWEETED! I was so excited when they spent lots of time answering it

[@thegrizzly52]

the disc manufacturers really only care about selling discs. Do you buy a Calvin destroyer because it’s the right disc for you? No you buy it because Calvin is an amazing player and you like him. And on the flip side of the coin you buy a Brody zone because it’s a great disc and because you like Brodies internet presence and personality. What I think makes the most sense from an “open bag” player perspective is to approach companies with a disc idea and only make money off of the discs that you sell. Work out a percentage deal, create a signature disc and then sell the shit out of that disc. Do it for 2 or 3 different companies. You go to innova and say I’d like a moon dust firebird or whatever. Create the disc, create a business plan to sell x number of discs and go out there and hustle. Then you go to discraft and do the same thing. And then go to mvp or whatever company and do the same thing. I think most players, especially the fringe top players would be smart to get in front of a camera or have ownership in a store and create more marketability and more value added

[@ryanmussell739]

True. I follow Bodanza and I bought 3 discs when he went to infinity.

[@devanpries9335]

For the most part, all discs are copies of Innova’s original molds. The only difference are plastic types, colors and branding different companies offer. The aviar, roc, teebird, firebird, destroyer are all being made by each company just in their own way. Innova started the flight number system so it’s hard not to copy.Having an open bag would give players freedom to choose but at the end of the day, all discs are pretty much the same. As long as a company has a decent lineup, players don’t need an open bag to be the best they can.

[@lynch42o]

this right here!

[@orion7741]

LOL. thats one of the dumbest things I have read in a LONG time.... Innova only has A FEW molds that are "original". Discraft was the one that really started introducing new and original disc molds. Innova really is the one that started copying molds from Discraft.

[@devanpries9335]

If this is the dumbest thing you’ve read in a long time, I’m guessing you don’t read much. Innova came out with the first disc golf discs with beveled rims. DGA came out with catch discs in the late 70s and early 80s but these weren’t disc golf specific discs. Do your research cuz

[@caseysmith544]

Or Discraft molds like a Buzzz, Zone, or a slightly more OS Comet that flies like a Buzzz as really only other clones I see being made by more then one company.

[@jay7T6]

Maybe we can split up the bag and have sub sponsors on speed slots. Ex: MVP from 1 to 4 speed, Discraft from speed 5 to 7, etc...) but have a main sponsor that you wear gear for

[@corgrapes]

I've thought it possible that a player would endorse company A for putters/approach discs, company B for midranges, etc.

[@Munchylego]

Drew is open bag, but he was sponsored by EV-7 specifically for putters.

[@Juan_Maldonado320]

I agree with this. I don’t understand why players can’t be sponsored by multiple manufacturers. It’s a sponsorship not a sports team

[@OldMan10923]

The same way in golf when people get club sponsors they can only play with those clubs. Why people sponsored by by coke can’t drink Pepsi products. Why people sponsored by Nike can’t wear under armor. It’s an exclusive agreement

[@Juan_Maldonado320]

I agree to a point. But if you look at the NBA. Players will have a team sponsor and personal sponsors. They may wear a Nike or Jordan jersey but may wear another companies shoes.

[@mccsnackin]

Me as an amateur negotiating my non existent offers: “MVP you can sponsor my 1-6 speeds. Innova you can sponsor my 7-13 speeds”

[@contagiouschipmunk]

Kasta putters, gyro or discraft for mids, innova fairways, and since I’m still under a year playing I’ll take Amy distance driver sponsor that wants me.😅

[@lukependleton7407]

Isn't the major factor in this the fact that manufacturers are bringing all the money into the sport for players. There isn't big TV money or even a high percentage of money coming in from viewership. So as long as the manufacturers are relied on for the income of players they would never give up any leverage to sell discs.

[@andruboine]

They bring it to a small amount of players.

[@aray5445]

Explain. Because I think counting indirect contribunions, it's easily the manufacturers making the largest dole-out. If not, who do you think is?

[@JTNorton]

From a manufacturer (sponsor) point of view; if I "manufacturer" give you money for your season your bag will NOT be an open bag. As a player... if "I'm" paying for my discs even at a discounted rate "ambassador" and paying for my tournament entry fees my bag will be open. If you not a top 20 player you not demanding anything from anyone. Unless you bring something else to the table/course like a strong social media presence or a podcast with an audience.

[@mattbroughton750]

Brodie is so RIGHT! Hahahahahah, the Raptor story is so true. The Uli Raptor is money! ❤❤❤❤ Used to send the ultra star 60 metres +sidearm. Not anymore! Flip city!😂😂

[@Eaglemadhatter]

Ready for it to warm up enough to try out this captain raptor some more

[@joshuarippie3424]

When I was a sponsored skateboarder, I had a brand for shoes, bearings, decks, trucks. It was all mixed and awesome.

[@lynch42o]

you grow up in socal?

[@sethheasley9538]

Seems like Open Bag vs One Manufacturer comes down to the manufacturer having enough selection. It's about the plastic :)

[@Wombat3000]

For now anyway it seems it's really a lack of willingness from the bigger brands. Discraft turned down Gibson to sponsor him w/ the buzzz even though he might be the best buzzz thrower in the world

[@caseysmith544]

I think soon a Backpack Sponsorship or similar deal will be happening when a major sports brand Nike, Adidas, Puma or even outdoor brands like North Face, Columbia or even a Camelback make a Disc golf backpack and pay way more then what a normal Disc Golf Backpack brand currently does due to company and player can have an open bag. Same for even a just a clothing/shoe sponsor stepping up sponsorship on players so an open bag is a thing. Other side I see more of these Disc Seller companies able to step up on sponsorship so players can have any disc company sells, almost all brands models except Discontinued models if this is a rule for sales or something. I also see players playing with multiple mini sponsorships of disc golf items from bag to a disc retriever and disc towels/training equipment towels that equals or is greater then a single disc manufacture sponsorship in mid level touring sponsorship.

[@gregrussell1787]

I fail to believe that any top pro is going to be better with an open bag. Unless they're one of those startup manufacturers with 3 discs.

[@devanpries9335]

Agreed. Is Drew Gibson really better playing for infinite than only Innova? What about Eric Oakley ? If Paul, Ricky and Simon played with Clash, TSA or MVP, they are still going to be top tier.

[@tjmcgough5333]

If you dont think mcbeth misses the Avair your blind

[@devanpries9335]

The Luna is a copy of the McPro aviar. He literally made his own Discraft version of the Aviar and won a championship using it

[@gregrussell1787]

@@tjmcgough5333 Misses? I have no clue if he still misses his old putter. I am fairly certain he would say Luna's are better though. And his putting certainly hasn't dropped off since leaving Innova

[@Riannacaswell1]

@@devanpries9335 Yep. In fact he's won two worlds (narrowly missing a third), European Open, and USDGC since switching to the Luna in 2019.

[@its_me_JZ]

I don't see it getting to that point. What if one person just dominates a year, wins all the big purses, and has a high dollar sponsorship? Or even say it's always the same top 10 winning the big money. They might have the leverage to say I want a mixed/open bag, but the rest will need sponsorships.

[@tillman40]

That didn’t work for Drew Tats

[@davidchristianson1537]

They keep comparing disc golf to golf in the business sense. But if you guys remember golf was very similar to the situation disc golf is now until tiger woods came. What disc golf needs is one of these remarkable superstars that can cross over to other sports fans.

[@ErikZangron]

I pray and look forward to Pros not being dependant on maufacturer contracts! 🙏🙏 ...Sponsorships by disc type! What an amazing theory to come true one day! 🎉🎉

[@fitzinabox]

The big purses aren’t coming anytime soon.

[@frankaquilone4765]

You're about to get sure sued by lightning discs 😅

[@steveptasznik6147]

I have an open bag and I've earned $0.00

[@johnshepherd6925]

User error. Probably not the bag then 😂 Sorry you left yourself open for that one 😂

[@steveptasznik6147]

​@johnshepherd6925 Left myself open for that weak attempt at humor? You should be embarrassed but I know your not.

[@steveptasznik6147]

​@@paavola2 Now that was funny. Did you catch that johnsheepnerd6925?

[@sdmascar8905]

Be real no one needs a mixed bag. Most all the companies make a complete lineup where it does not matter what brand you are throwing

[@sofaspud518]

I dislike the constant comparison of ultimate to disc golf, they are two vastly different sports. They share similarity in the fact that they're both "flying discs" but that's where it ends (in my opinion). I had to force myself into field work to essentially re-learn my form from the ground up. If anything having ultimate form hard wired hurt me in the short term. Would love to see a video where we take people from a few sports and teach them how to throw a disc. Personally I bet a tennis/racquet ball player has an easier time transitioning to a disc than an ultimate guy.

[@atpete07]

It’s not a hot take at all to say that a pro would be there best at open bag…. There’s a reason why when an am decides ‘I’m only bagging one company’, they get the response ‘why would you do that?’ Innova doesn’t make a berg, discraft doesn’t make a Roc, MVP JUST got a destroyer clone…. Meanwhile open bag, every single slot is covered.. every one. Really the only company you can go to and find just about any flight is Innova. Let’s not forget, Discraft didn’t even have a Teebird until recently

[@matthewbertram4312]

Really, if it gets to that point, players will be able to sell themselves better. And they will likely turn to selling percentages or static figures. i.e. Discraft pays Brodie specifically to promote and throw the Zone. Or Innova makes a deal with Calvin that his bag has at least 6 molds, and Clash pays him to bag and throw at least 2 molds, etc.

[@goodnerarts1206]

The only way this could happen right now is for the pro to already have money or have a big built-in audience outside of disc golf. Like Brodie I suppose, but with years of experience and a mixed bag. This person could come in and say, "If I bag it, you know the disc is legit."

[@Wombat3000]

Probably the only guy that could legitimately do that right now would be McBeth. Obviously it isn't gonna happen, but if he suddenly decided that Discraft wasn't for him and he wanted an open bag that would probably change the landscape overnight

[@WesGarnett]

These comments make no sense. Manufactures in any sport are the pivot point between watching and participating for fans. If the average touring pro could make 6-7 figures playing disc golf alone, that would happen because the viewership has grown enough to make that possible … which also means more people are investing in the the products of the sport. Today players have to depend on manufacturers to make a living but in the future they’ll partner with manufacturers to grow their brand and their earning potential by extension. While some players might feel better auctioning off slots in their bag, the easiest relationship for most will always be a full bag sponsor - for both the player and the manufacturer (im thinking shoe deals with Nike as an example). It’s more likely that people will extend their brand to other aspects of the game - water bottles, bags, towels, shoes, etc etc. Some of that is already happening but it’s to help the player make a living. Soon beef jerky and energy drink partnerships won’t be as big of a deal as it is today.

[@ianwilson9325]

If pro disc golfers want people to start taking them seriously these contracts need to be made public. The fact of the matter is nobody knows what “disc golf” money is.

[@brettduffin8412]

Unsure how multiple sponsors could work. What would that look like? Won't happen.

[@ODIESDGin]

BRODIE smashes it out of the park, at least 10 seconds in…#stopslave labor in disc golf…are they paying college athletes? Do players sell tickets, attract eyeballs-which attracts advertising dollars? Brodie says 45% silly, but goes yard on occasion. I’m out after 4 or 5 min bc I have things to do…but well said gentleman may your words be heard and change the game we love.

[@trev3971]

Every other sport has manufacturers ghosting or rebadging other companies' gear to satisfy their signees. Why should disc golf be any different?

[@JosephTanner91]

Hey I have an M5 proto

[@asellers98]

Hate hearing Brodie say he only has 5 years left.

[@federicosorenson5008]

Did Brodie just said how much he earns from Discraft? :P

[@zanesather5165]

The average median wage for DG is onre pay check away from homeless. Come back to reality guys.

[@m1erze]

I was the same way at a tech salary, it’s more a housing market problem

[@tjmcgough5333]

Sounds like anyjob these days ya economists

[@pdderek]

They prefaced the entire conversation with "IF TOURNAMENT PURSES INCREASE AND OUTPACE SPONSORSHIPS..." Y'all salty haters just hear what you want❤

[@HeadlessBourgeoisie]

Speaking blasphemy about Lightning Discs... Shameful.

[@KC-zs6ug]

No one cares about what Brady Smith bags or how much he doesnt win on tour.

[@Kawwwman]

i been discn since 1996. these last 5 years ive seen the sport turn more and more into snowflakes. i think you 2 are just jelly of simon and eagle. brodie hasent won anything on tour and never will. your jelly....stay home and shut your mouth

[@Munchylego]

Snowflakes? You seem fun.

[@Kawwwman]

@@Munchylego yes i am. thanks