Will N Scale become more popular thant HO Scale?

Its another round of the N Scale vs HO scale debate. This time we are talking about the popularity of the scales. This actually would have some reprocussions in the world of model railroading. If N did become more popular, how would manufacturers react?
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[@justin_railfan]

I personally think the demand for N-Scale has increased due to size, and because of the size, you can fit a lot more into a small layout. I personally have a 3x6 N-Scale layout that takes up a big portion of my room, but I can fit so much detail using the smaller scale.

[@SimSummer]

yes but the detail is more spread out, in ho scale i can make an area and make it even more detailed but it just takes more space

[@TheRobertLcollins]

I was in N scale for a long time, because of the size. I'm moving to Z because, well, that size gives me more options in a small space. :) I do wonder what effect 3d printing might have on this "N vs HO" discussion. Home 3d printers are becoming more common and more affordable, but you still need a large printer to print more than just detail parts in HO and the larger scales. It strikes me that if printing continues to gain in popularity, but the smaller printers are more affordable, that might start to have an impact on the hobby. If it's easier to print N scale cars, buildings, and such with home printers than to do so in larger scales, new modelers might choose N over HO.

[@Maxwelliouss]

i think that AMONGUS

[@davidsheriff8989]

I am considering Z also but are there figures, houses, vehicles and other models available for this scale?

[@kettusnuhveli341]

@@davidsheriff8989 At least here in Europe Z scale is pretty well supported thanks to its inventor, Märklin, pouring lots of money at it. Can't speak for NA support though, since that is not my area of expertise...

[@gregbowen617]

I got hooked on N Scale when I lived in the UK in the mid 1980’s. I’m not much into superdetailing and such, I just like to make an overall look and feel… N Scale let’s me do that in my available space.

[@keithlea6804]

Wish i still had my train sets from the 70s . Thanks mom for giving my stuff away when i went into the service in the 80s.

[@squalli1297]

Great subject. I got my 1st Lionel O gauge train set when I was 4 & was addicted. Fast forward to my early 40's & my return to trains & needed something prototypical & space saving since I didn't have a dedicated space for a layout, so I went with N Scale. Older hobbyists then were getting frustrated with handling minute pieces & went to HO-I didn't listen & gave no thought to getting old. Fast forward to my 70's, I won't be aging in place & will need to move in with my son & family. He's not interested in this hobby & I've invested in N scale too much to turn back now. My daughter-in-law's 22 y/o nephew is an N-Scaler-he'll be my connection & can handle the small stuff for me.👌

[@tommurphy4307]

maybe you would be better off to join a club. i would talk to young dude and see if you guys will get along and he will be there for you at least for the time being. i can relate to the kid because i am a motor man for a small n scale club, but i'm 64 and i know i can't do it forever. we have a few guys who are older than i and they don't like to work on small locomotives so we find an exchange that can let them contribute something to the club (or me) to compensate for motor work. i am currently mentoring a young guy in our club so i don't get slammed with work and he also represents somebody who can take over for me when the time comes....

[@chrisbell52310]

Thanks Jimmy for your videos. I was hooked at episode ONE. Keep on 🚂ing!

[@brandogg65]

Great Clip on the subject of these two scales. I've always had an appreciation for model trains, and I'm now looking to build my own model railway. Choosing between HO and N scales seems to be my toughest decision so far. Watching this video and reading the comments has been very informative. Thanks man, and keep the awesome content coming. I'm sure I'll be around quite a bit taking in all this great info. I have a lot to learn! lol!

[@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569]

Jimmy, thanks for your analysis of HO and N scales. I believe you are absolutely correct in your conclusions. Clearly, both scales have advantages and disadvantages. I must say, though, that I'm an avid N-scaler and probably wouldn't switch to HO scale (a process known as "going over to the dark side") even if I had a very large space to work in. ...Roy

[@TheTrainFreak]

Roy, your already on the dark side with N! 😃

[@n-scaleunionpacificevansto6569]

@@TheTrainFreak Good point, Jason. LOL. ...Roy

[@davidf9630]

Us “n scalers “ are NEVER on the dark side…Because we need the lights on to see the small parts 🤪

[@dkaustin98]

Roy, going to the "dark side" was often referred to as one who jumped from a major scale into On30 narrow gauge modeling railroading. Probably used more for anyone who abandoned standard gauge for narrow gauge. I made that jump from N scale to On30. However, sometimes I do miss my N scale modeling. Talk about product limitations, try On30.

[@tommurphy4307]

i have a large home and my garage is bigger than our club's building but i can relate to what youre saying. i noticed you didn't use the word 'never'- smart. i've seen too many guys move from N to HO scale after they related the same feelings you have.

[@iangerahty3422]

A well reasoned analysis 🧐 you’d have made a great legal scholar presenting both sides arguments so well.

[@ictmainline9273]

Great video. I have gone back and forth several times on which scale to model because I love them both, so I compromised by creating T-Trak modules for N scale and am currently building a new HO layout in my garage. I also am drinking 8 O'clock hazelnut made in the french press, black.

[@sdallas68]

Very good presentation and timely for me. I've struggled with the pros and cons of HO vs N scale; truth is I like them both since each one has its advantages. As housing becomes more expensive in the US I can see N scale becoming more popular. One thing people overlook about cost is the cost of real life real estate to house your layout. I'm glad you mentioned TT. I've always said that if a model I could live with came out in TT I would jump in and switch in a heartbeat. It's really the perfect sweet spot between N and HO.

[@mattguey-lee4845]

I live in a 1 bed room apartment and I like to run long trains (20+ cars). That's why I like N-scale. In n-scale it's more about the scenery the train is running through than the super details of the train itself. In HO you're looking more at the details of each loco and car. I would agree that 3D printers are filling the gap of products offered in n-scale compare to HO.

[@ConversationStartersVideo]

I started out years ago with HO but quickly became an N Scale Convert. My current layout is a 6x12 duck under and even at the age of 72 it’s fun to model N Scale and you can pack so much action into your space, regardless of how big or small it is. For me it’s 15 KATO Engines along with KATO track. I’m a happy N Scale Camper.

[@davidf9630]

Great subject Jimmy. Over 30 years ago I had a 4x12 HO layout and LOVED IT! I had lakes, farms, a golf course and more figures/people that I could count… fast forward to January, I have a 3x6 counter in my garage. The decision was made “ I’m gonna get that n scale train set for $100.“ and it started to grow… sometimes the small parts get tough see, but then I know it’s time to take a break. So until I get my full basement back, it’s gonna be n scale for me. And today I’m drinking a reheated coffee left over from last night with 2 sugars… yum

[@tommurphy4307]

old coffee seems to render a mellower twinge- am I right?

[@Morganstein-Railroad]

I started in N scale with my father during the 1970s. I can't imagine how much extra space I would need to build my current layout in HO - I don't think my flat would be big enough. In any case, I've always thought that N scale looks so much more manageable. the thing is - having been a life long N scale modeller, HO looks big and clunky to me. It's not that it actually is, just that a loco feels right at an average of five inches in length, not Ten. That's all it is really - What you're used to, and I'm happy with that. Enjoy your videos, buddy, and find them inspiring.

[@StephenParsey]

Short answer before watching: Yes. It’s the best compromise between size and detail.

[@richharris9489]

Jimmy i have around 100 rolling stock 15 locomotives in n scale . Love it

[@StevesTrains]

I really want to build an O scale switching layout at some point, though I'll probably build mostly N scale layouts at this point. N scale has improved dramatically over time and keeps getting better. One nice thing about N scale is that you can get away with fewer details because often they are too hard to see anyway. Molded-on grab irons on an n scale boxcar generally look fine because separately applied ones hardly look any different unless you are trying to do a close-up photograph, and even then the difference can be subtle. With HO and larger scales, those details make a huge difference. Same thing with structures and other items. You can get away with implying details in N scale but usually can't in HO or larger scales. Of course, adding those details in HO or larger scales are a whole lot easier. The number one thing I hate about N scale is dealing with the couplers. Replacing couplers in N scale can drive you bonkers sometimes because the parts are so small.

[@cdjhyoung]

Super detailing in N is a matter of becoming and expert in weathering.

[@StevesTrains]

@@cdjhyoung yes, you do the weathering good and n scale can look great. Helps tone down the oversized details a bit and helps highlight the details you can’t see too.

[@ericwilliams1023]

He guys . Newbie here. If my wheel break is it better to replace the entire box car or simply replace the wheel ?

[@tommurphy4307]

@@ericwilliams1023 are you referring to a brake wheel or are you referring to a wheel that rolls on a rail? being able to communicate with decent grammar and spelling makes things easier on everybody. so, try that again so we can understand it.

[@ericwilliams1023]

@@tommurphy4307 lol..ok whatever. Sorry I haven't shown myself proficient in the cave dwellers language.

[@larryadamson6686]

I returned to this hobby after 30 years, when the Big Boy returned to Ogden Utah for the 150th Golden Spike anniversary. I started with N scale and accumulated 18 steam and diesel locomotives which all ended being converted to DCC. I really like the size, for ability to create cities, country sides, rail yards, mining camps, turntables, etc. in a limited space. However, I really like the detail of steam locomotives. There are some very good looking N-scale steam engines out there, and I have acquired quite a few. I've owned a few highly detailed G scale models for over 20 years that I'm only using for display. They really do have the mechanical parts I like seeing in motion. So now, I've compromised. My (new) 10*12 train room, which I've been in for the last year is a two level perimeter wall railroad. HO at chair height, and N-scale for standing level. The N-scale is a double track folded dog-bone, and the HO is a lift out section. There is even a bit of Z-scale in the upper mountain mining district , which has an excellent forced perspective look. I'm very happy with this setup. N-scale for an overall look of distance between scenes, and HO for the detailed workings of the steam locomotives.

[@mikebledsoe2315]

*New to the hobby and haven't decided what gauge i like; very informative post. Taster's Choice Instant Coffee with 3 Bob Stripe peppermint balls, 3 tablespoons of honey, with a dash of International Delight Caramel Macchiato.*

[@danpugatch]

When I started out I wanted to do O Scale but I didn't have the room. Then I thought about N Scale but they don't have the road names I model. So I settled on HO because that's what I did as a kid.

[@tommurphy4307]

a lot of N scalers grew up with HO trains- i loved the mantua tyco and AHM cars i played with as a youngster.

[@johnarthur6302]

I was an N scaler as a kid, but was often frustrated by how much stuff was available in HO vs N. When I got back into the hobby as an adult, I chose to switch to HO for that reason primarily. Since then, I’ve learned to love realistic switching operations, and sound, and details, and I am happy with my choice. That said, I am still very much fascinated by N and enjoy watching the N scale layouts with their big sweeping scenes at train shows. In the end, everything in the hobby is about compromising where we can to be able enjoy what we like most. The important thing is to pick a scale and get modeling!

[@tdraiss7129]

I'm new to model trains as a builder. I went with N scale for the following reasons. 1 - space for a layout (my other choice was Z) 2 - cost ( I couldn't get myself to spend more money on a Z scale locomotive) 3 - product availability and future expansion capabilities However, I grew up watching my Uncle build these massive and very impressive HO scale layouts that would take over his whole basement. I think if we was still with us and modeling, I probably would have gone with HO. So after tons of research and decision making N scale won. I like the idea when I get more room that I can stick with N scale and build larger layouts. Currently I'm still in the buying phase and I have yet to place track down. When I finally get my bench work done, I will be using the MMRone as a guide. Thanks for the videos and I don't do anything special with my mug, I fuel myself with Folgers and just milk.

[@tommurphy4307]

wow i hate that stuff- at least drink some decent coffee....

[@TheTrainFreak]

For me, I've always done HO because I don't like working on very small models. My son went with N scale because he wanted a train that he could claim as his own and not run on dad's layout....lol. What about HOn30? It might be the size of HO but can use the same track as TT Guage which allows for tighter radius. - Jason

[@VestedUTuber]

That's HOn3. HOn30 runs on N gauge.

[@shanestrains7179]

I can say with the utmost confidence, that i dont believe n scale will over take ho scale in terms of popularity. One reason. Age. Inevitably, we all age, as does our senses. Vision and coordination r a must when working on locos. And n scale becomes more of a hinderance the older u get. Now, im sure there will b a hundred ppl say, im old and i do n scale no problem. To which i respond, throw away ur glasses and magnifiers and see how easy it is for u.

[@davidf9630]

Amen! I have readers, magnifying glasses, camping headlights, overhead LED lighting, open the garage door and I’m still struggling to focus… only if n scale was a little bit bigger 🤣🤣🤣

[@mckerrowsiding]

I am working on an N scale layout, because of it size. It allows me to have large industries , paper mill, open pit quarry. Which are great for operations. The other reason is 3D printing. I can print rolling stock. I have printed ore cars, coil cars box cars and well cars. Although the up front cost for the printer may be high. The saving in purchasing rolling stock can be offset after a few cars. A typical car can cost as much as 30$ so it you print your own 15 you pretty well paid for the printer. It also saves on structure details, not to mention shipping fees on commercial made model. Great video, great topic!!!!

[@tommurphy4307]

the smaller the scale- the better a printer you will need- 3D printed shells generally don't look as good as mold-casted resin shells and the difference is very obvious in n scale. we have an alps printer that we use to make decals and it cost a grip and that was just a conventional flat-media printer. its going to take a hell of a lot more production than what you think to pay for a printer thats good enough for making shells and rolling stock. we tried that in our club and most of the guys went back to casting by hand because the results just looked a helluva lot better.

[@kettusnuhveli341]

@@tommurphy4307 You clearly have no idea what youre talking about. Even the hobbyist grade resin 3D printers can easily reach around 30-20 micron accuracy, Can create better detail than injection molding if calibrated correctly, while only costing around 300 or so dollars per machine. Look up brands like Elegoo, Anycubic, Phrozen and so on. What your club had was clearly an issue with lack of skill and knowledge of what is available and how to operate these machines.

[@brianpagemodeltrains]

Well thought out reasons for the popularity of N and HO, Jimmy. My guess is that each will maintain their current status, because when a model railroader chooses a scale, they tend to stick with it (Mostly). Watching today with BRCC's Mac V roast, black.

[@dragonite0067]

Great video. I am an HO scaler but I have found the downsides to it compared to N scale and I have been trying to figure out which scale works better for me

[@jacksonthomas1851]

I asked this very question on the NScale Reddit. This was in response to things I have seen and the community on Reddit seemed to agree with the rise in popularity. They may have been biased. But with that being said I’m seeing more and more evidence of the demand and popularity of N scale day by day.

[@elleryparsons5766]

My Advise is this I Love Ho And N Scale. Yes I started In Ho Then I had an Itch for N had it when I was a Kid Now I am Understanding N Scale more. If I could Model 3 Brands in N Scale it would be Bachmann, Lifelike Power Loc And Kato. But I Model Bachmann And not Regreating it.

[@TriGogglin]

I could see them becoming equal, N scale is great for space saving. But as you said the small nature becomes very hard to work on the older you get. I would love to go HO but no room to do it.

[@Mike-pj1kv]

I'm getting older and my eyesight is not as good, but a good pair of glasses helps with that and my hands still work well so I can manage the details alright.

[@Mason58654]

N scale is hugely popular in Japan 🇯🇵 where KATO reigns as the premier N gauge manufacturer. Lots of wonderful Japanese trains in the gauge as well. I’m planning on making my first layout with KATO N gauge.

[@TimberSurf]

I started on TT scale, at the school club, it IS the perfect scale, just none available, as was, in UK stock and now only available in continental outline and mostly not RTR, real shame

[@iangerahty3422]

I recall the cereal box TT scale British outline models in the mid sixties. I think they were produced by Airfix. Sadly I didn’t have them for very long and they are hard to find. I understand that the tools may have been destroyed. They were snap together but I believe there were powered bogies available to be installed.

[@jamesdenny4734]

My first train set was N, I had a after school job n bought it in 8th grade. I do have vague memories of a lionel O scale set my dad bought me when I was 4yrs old 😉

[@keelershortline2235]

I'm an O scaler. My layout is 5'x8', and is very crowded. Working with AC track power causes some problems when wanting to incorporate Arduinos for automation. The cost is sometimes mind-blowing. But the heritage of O scale and ease of working with the scale, for aging hands, is some of the things that keep me attracted to it.

[@anthonylandrum63]

thanks, I'm trying to decide on size for my first set up, to include my 5 yr old grand kids.

[@melkitson]

Hi Jimmy, another well reasoned session. Having worked with both I can say that I prefer N gauge for all the reasons that you gave. I also suspect that N will ultimately overtake HO in all it's variations. In my long life I have seen the trend developing. As an aside, forget TT, I have been toying with the idea of T gauge. Imagine that done in a garage or loft space. It would be like a whole country. The very devil on the eyes though.

[@chrisjones4423]

Been an HO modeler for a long time, but, I do have an N Scale layout and some G locomotives (just cause they are cool looking, I have no track for them) great video!! Peets K cup this morning!!

[@VestedUTuber]

For its size, G is surprisingly compact in terms of layouts. While a 4x8 would be a pain since you'd be working with Code 255 Flex track (which requires a rail bender) and below-intended radiuses, an 8x10 around-the-walls is VERY doable, and I'd even argue that it's very cost effective since you don't have to buy much rolling stock for something like that.

[@chrisjones4423]

@@VestedUTuber Wish I had room to do a G scale layout, my basement is pretty much filled with Trains and train memorabilia. Maybe a high track around the large room.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@chrisjones4423 I mean, it's not that bad in terms of needed size. G-scale is primarily narrow gauge and designed to go around tight curves. LGB R1 is only 25.4" in radius, not much more than the 24" radius large HO scale passenger equipment requires, and significantly smaller than the huge radiuses required by the more scale varieties of O. The only things you wouldn't be able to run on that tight of a radius are Pullman coaches and some models of larger locomotives (mainly the bigger Accucraft and USA Trains models).

[@chrisjones4423]

@@VestedUTuber I would love to see the G’s running, my current HO layout is 28x6x12 and a 3x6 N layout! So space is tight. Finishing up a section on my HO layout, then I’ll try and put something together. Thanks for the info and encouragement!!

[@ThisWorks4Me]

Kato is also primarily a Japanese company. I've been to their factory showroom in Tokyo. They make N-scale models of every commuter line around Tokyo. If you get to Japan, take the time to visit the showroom, it's impressive. By the way, I'm building an H.O. layout but I am building an N-trak module too.

[@elleryparsons5766]

The Reason I have 2 Layouts is this. Flip flopping Between the Scales what doesn’t work on one works on the Other.

[@CM-ARM]

Jimmy I would have went HO but N Scale had the product I wanted to model (Boeing's Aircraft Assembly plants). Micro Trains makes what I need if HO I would have to make. One of the few times N Scale makes something that HO doesn't. Today I'm having a treat, Starbucks Coffee Frappuccino.

[@claytonmoore2091]

Good video - and your correct about N vs HO, as far as how much harder to work on N-scale. If I had an extra 15'x17' space, I admit Id skip right over HO and unpack boxes of really beautiful S-gauge trains I have. But alas for now Im in N-scale so I can at least do trains ;-). I have some very pretty stuff in N scale as well.

[@sams2960]

If I wanted to build a full room layout, I'd go HO scale with DCC. For now, I'm quite happy with my little N scale switching layout that fits on my dresser in the bedroom using a good ol Athearn simple power supply / controller and Kato track with #6 turnouts. 40 year old rolling stock I found in a box (Atlas, Model Power, Bachman) all still functional, pulled by my "new in box" 1992 Arnold RS-1 (with Rapido couplers to match my cars) I found on eBay at Chicagoland Hobbies. That is one thing about N scale, you can use #6 vs #4 turnouts because the space is available and even truck mounted couplers won't derail backing through them.

[@acrranscaleandlifejourney4330]

If I had the room, I would have a HO scale layout. My N scale layout is coming along very well. Another great video, thanks.

[@richharris9489]

Stick with n Scale dude

[@acrranscaleandlifejourney4330]

@@richharris9489 I’m disabled and on a fixed income, I will never have the room. I will stick with N scale

[@jolliemark6294]

Jimmy you hit the nail on the head! While n scale is getting more popular it will never over take HO and TT would be s great compermize but no one is manufacturing in America equipment but wish they would. Thanks for sharing 😀 Just a not I model both n & HO but only HO to run at the museum in San Diego with the club....

[@railway187]

I would have liked to use N-scale because it takes less place. But I started in H0-scale because in that scale there are models available for the theme of my model railway. Good review 👍👌👏 Greetings from Belgium 🙋‍♂️🇧🇪

[@ATSFVentaSpurNscaler]

Hi Jimmy! You video makes a good analysis. I will always be an N-scaler even if my scale remains 2nd best to HO. To me, the minuteness of N scale never ceases to fascinate me. Plus, you can do so much more in N scale with the space in which you have to operate. - from Tom Pilling

[@wolfiealternateaccount4181]

I had N scale for 15 years and no HO scale trains at all. Then i bought a HO scale Atlas Gold series with Sound and DCC and I was hooked. Most of my trains are HO now. I converted the entire Bachmann line of Thomas and Friends to DCC also. In HO it was easy.

[@CWESTERBECK]

N scale is awesome for getting the most railroad in limited space especially now that the quality has gotten better. As railroaders get older, I can see switching to HO or O gauge just because it’s easier in the eyes and not so delicate for arthritic fingers.

[@josephharper3768]

Thanks for the coal for the loco or (food for thought). I've just started model railroading this year. I started with N scale because of space. The versatility of larger scales like HO is more appealing day by day as I see more in the hobby. Would love to see more of that compromising scale TT, you mentioned.

[@tommurphy4307]

TT is more steam-era & foreign train stuff, but if you are disappointed with the variety of N scale stuff, you'll hate TT.

[@martinwoodworth3715]

Here in the Uk Hornby have introduced TT:120 which is midway between N & HO. It appears to be doing very well. As a lot may know the Uk mainly use OO gauge which all runs on HO track but is out of scale at 1:76 as opposed to proper HO 1:87. I did model railway in my teens & would love to get back to it. I would like to do HO not OO. Then my 1966 0:6:0 engine & 1974 flying scotsman that I kept from years ago, both the oversized OO, will work on an HO layout. But this new TT:120 stuff looks very good.

[@gullijons9135]

I'm a beginner and I decided that N would be the scale for me, mostly because of space issues. Then I started realizing, like many others, that I can focus less on detailing of certain things and more on the general look and feel which suits me perfectly. My biggest issue is I live in Sweden and the availability of Swedish N-scale is severely limited so I might end up running either German or even American instead.

[@phillipdavies1081]

I haven't had model trains for many years, but nostalgia and grandchildren are making me think it's time to return to them in the same way I just started buying vinyl again. I live in the US now but am English so grew up with Hornby OO, I have found a shop fairly close by that appears to sell Hornby, I haven't been yet but the weather is bad up here in Wisconsin so I'm avoiding unnecessary journeys until the snow clears. However, I'm aware that slipping back into OO probably isn't really a good idea because I just won't have the available merchandise that I was used to, I should go to HO instead since it's so close as not to matter to me and will be easier to get. In fact, looking at it, I think it looks better, more to scale. But, I am tight for space, I mean, really tight. So perhaps not undoable in HO but I really am considering N. I don't mind it being a little more fiddly, I'm not concerned about it being more fragile, I'll be gentle. I'm not overly concerned with detail being harder to manage as I wasn't planning to be pedantic about things. I just want as much train as I can get, so figure N will achieve that for me. Thoughts anyone? I'm currently sitting in the firehouse on the first day of a 48 hour shift, I have French Roast coffee with vanilla creamer as I like it sweet but don't want sugar.

[@TheBossJohn]

You touched on this, however, please consider taking a look at this.Selection. HO has a far greater selection of everything. For an example, structure kits, to road names on rolling stock. Plus you hit the nail on the head with size. Scratching building anything in N is much harder because of size. Simply apples and oranges between N and HO scales.

[@AdamSaltFPV]

I started on H.O. in the late 80’s, moved to Kato N scale in 2000. Coming back in to the hobby, I’m going with Z. Always wanted to try it and now it’s more affordable and available.

[@margolehman5482]

For space reasons, I've gone with Z scale. Love these videos though, I've learned a lot. Looking forward to any you do on Z scale!

[@DakotaRileyMedia]

I just got back into the hobby myself and your videos are why I went n scale instead of ho scale. I definitely think n scale is super tiny, but it’s nice to be able to do more with less space, especially in s as n apartment. I think n scale will be more popular than its ever been but HO will probably still remain the most popular scale

[@4trialsin]

Space is the exact reason for my switch from HO to N back in ‘84. My layout is in a spare room, 8x14, around the walls. Perfect operation for 1-2 people. PRR in 1967. Great vid. Having a Death Wish dark roast. Thx

[@jonathanjones35]

You may have missed one advantage of n-scale, that is, with n-scale you can get more realistic track and scenery arrangements in the same space. You can put an n-scale layout/track plan in an HO-scale space and suddenly you can use #8 (or larger) turnouts, have prototypical-size (I.e. really big) industries, and keep the same curve radii, which would be tight in HO (e.g.18-inch radius) but broad in n-scale. It’s almost like creating space.

[@tommurphy4307]

maybe you would like Z scale for the same reason.... sorry, i dont do motive power in Z- that's a young man's sport...

[@davidchang7838]

Compared with HO scale, modeling in N scale places more of a premium on eyesight and dexterity, two things that generally deteriorate over time in adults (especially for those 50 and older). I can only imagine how much more challenging it is working with small(er) parts, which is a major reason why I model HO scale. I think marketing N scale -- especially towards a younger generation of modelers -- is the way to go for model railroad manufacturers/suppliers. If I was going to start in N scale today, I would opt for building modules (Ntrak, T-Trak, Free-MoN, etc.), which N scale is ideally suited. Heck, I might just have to give it a shot, lol.

[@JERRYR708]

There seems to be a movement for tiny homes, downsizing and are minimalist. I have only O scale in my collection, but I'm taking an interest in N scale for the first time. If hard times, inflation, and uncertainty keep increasing, I may need to run N scale if I lose my home and live in a small apartment or van.

[@mobileauto]

I started in N but as I aged it was harder and harder to work with them. It was not the trains them self's but decoders, panting and assembling structures and working with turnouts. It was hard to switch to HO as I liked the amount of stuff you could do with N in a small place. Three years later I pulled some decoders from cheap N scale locos and wondered how I ever worked with them. I am glad I changed. But all thing equal I would have stayed with N gauge

[@lpclassic60]

I felt that comment about a warehouse full of G scale trains! I guess my ideal would be live steam, but I don't have anywhere near the requisite engineering skills. Those who do awe and terrify me. No coffee today, but I'm rocking some coconut boba tea from JT Boba House.

[@chelmswoodjunction]

hello i use to be a oo gauge modeller until i had to move to a smaller house and i have traded all my stock for n gauge and i am loving n gauge so much more than i did 00 gauge. and you are so right on detail sound dcc being fitted to n gauge i can have what i had in oo now in n gauge. i am a british outline modeller being based in birmingham united kingdom. and i will say that the price is cheaper for n scale and there are more manufactoers in the uk and japan making alot of british outline stock. thank you for this video. peter birmingham uk

[@medwaymodelrailway7129]

Layout nice you got there.

[@mikel5295]

I started model railroading in 1977 as a kid , got away from the hobby and in the late 1980's I decided to get back in the hobby with N scale due to space limitations. I just didn't like N scale at all because at that time it was as expensive as Ho , hard to find much of anything for variety and the size was just too small for me . I went back to Ho scale and never regretted it. That's just me tho and I am never gonna bash anyone who runs any scale . Actually N scale has really come a long long way and I'm glad to see it !

[@thunderturbine8860]

6:27-6:34 T I steer clear of N scale is for that exact reason, I won't be able to work on it i.e replacing couplings etc for me would be impossibly hard.

[@Kampfmesser89]

I have a TT set from East Germany. It really is a great scale. There is a manufacturer that has adapted Kato Unitrack to the scale.

[@The_Duggler25]

Funny thing is that started out in the states and then got started in the uk and it kinda died out for awhile but starting to gain attention again

[@Unsubscribenow630]

I think that if you don't have enough space, choose a European scale called: HOe. it is HO scale that can run on N scale track. Meaning locomotives can run on much tighter curves. so that you can use small bits of space without being limited to really hard work on really small parts.

[@avlisk]

I've been into HO scale for about 60 years. I tried N scale in the 1970's, but it was mostly terrible. But, if I were starting today, it wouldn't even be close. It would be N scale 100%. It's just so good now and you can get so much more layout into a given space. You can do operation, do switching moves, you have sound and DCC, and detail is pretty good, too. It's a no-brainer for me. . .if I were 60 years younger!

[@christiankroemer4267]

Just from my experience, HO Scale hits a golden sweet spot in size and detail, particularly for the engines and cars. By contrast, N scale allows for more layout design and larger layouts scale for scale.

[@IMRROcom]

FYI: O scale used to de the dominant scale for many years long before HO. It was said at one time HO was a niche scale... And HO was supposed to be the next step down from O.

[@JakeSweeper]

You mean S?

[@tommurphy4307]

my cousin has an amazing O-scale layout in his barn near jamestown, pa.- it has scenicked atlas O and lionel toy sections. he's always changing stuff on it and i can't wait to see him so i can see the layout (don't tell him that, though)

[@IMRROcom]

@@JakeSweeper no, O was the dominant scale. HO came along as the less expensive step down scale from O. HO cost less, took up less space etc. S scale never factored into it other than American Flyer toy trains. O and HO were/are modelers scale. S Lionel O27 are toy train scales. Little has changed in most cases other than HO is the dominant scale and now N is the jump down scale. Who knows N might pass HO like HO passed O. Less space to model makes N look like a bigger option over HO in the future.

[@loispadgett6306]

I find I like all scales but do N scale as favorite. There are some HO sets I would like to get because have brother who does HO and can run them on his track. Good to have family member who likes trains also. GOD BLESS 🚂💖🚂💖🚂💖

[@jasonminier6782]

I did HO when I was a kid. When I got back into it as an adult living in small spaces, N was a natural progression. Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one that got those silly Evemodel busses and cars. Current coffee is Schuil Costa Ricala Minitia.

[@yootoob7048]

I have been and N Scale model railroader since 1968. When I did think about switching to another, it was TT Scale that caught my attention. I too think it is the 'perfect' size. I may purchase some TT equipment one day but I will never stop modeling in N Scale.

[@tommurphy4307]

you said the 'N' word....cross your fingers.

[@OriginalBongoliath]

I think something missed is what type of motive power you prefer. I like steam. If you like steam, O and HO are superior with the amount of prototypes on the market and features available compared to N. N looks to be a more diesel-centric scale.

[@kents.2866]

Yes definitely. I made the mistake of trying to build a layout set in the 1910 Era for N scale. And the support just isn't there. Model Power is done, which was the only manufacturer to make Mogul types of that Era. Hardly any rolling stock. At least with HO you still have plenty of Brass models floating around, rolling stock kits, etc. Here's a question I've been thinking about. Is steam Era modeling dying off? I sure hope not but that seems to be the case.

[@cruisinjoe]

I am drinking Pepsi this week so can we call this week’s episode Cola and Trains? Yes space is a premium

[@lockecard1]

I just found and started watching your videos. Very informative and helpful. In this video over your left shoulder it appears you have a screen door closer mounted to the bottom of your platform. What purpose does it serve?

[@DIYDigitalRailroad]

Good Eye. The original placement for this layout had an easy lift out ability using the piston. I did not have a need to remove that piston when I changed it.

[@muir8009]

Good vid Jimmy. With my TT I'm running the bettungsgleis, which, of course, is Kato unitrack made under license. The same code 80 rail looks a touch better I feel in TT. I could say yes it's a pity they don't make US stock, but surely not all US modellers just model the US scene. Sounds very self limiting. If you like the size just model the German bundesbahn. I've recently acquired some of the Kato Rhb glacier and Berlina expresses. Brilliant. got 'em cos I wanted them, and can use 5.5" radius curves which are good for the soul. N, of course, is by far the dominant scale in Japan, not solely just because of the space size. One must remember that the interests and needs of particular model railroaders are not necessarily the same as the US archetypal modeller. DCC isn't particularly popular in Japan, as switching or individual loco control isn't high on the agenda. From the sixties the East Germans had fully automated block control. Look at catalogues of times past, European ones from earliest days portraying Railway empires, full of trains and tracks. The empire builder surveying all from the outlook of a fully automated signal box controller. The US catalogues on the other hand tended to portray the same empire builder in the locomotive cab, heroically posed taming the mighty locomotive. Different modeling cultures. N having the requirements to provide a high speed hayabusa network over downtown Osaka, not a switcher or freight car in sight. HO scale really matured with the US modeller, bringing with it scale proportioned turnouts etc. Even a common, mild #6 being double the length of a standard hornby turnout, turnout size being of course the main defining factor. TT scale works too, it really is the right size, when you start dabbling with it it's seriously hard to find anything wrong with the size

[@leetaylor7468]

Exactly what you said mate...space...I'm out of it...thinking of going N scale from HO.. Lee

[@kraigsickels3918]

Jimmy …… I have always been with ho scale and l will be for exactly the reasons that you said 👍😊 !!!!

[@professional1298]

What we need is a 1/72 scale, sure ho is close but not enough...rail road stuff is the only stuff to have any sort of civilian stuff to use for my military dioramas, it adds life to em

[@larryhealey6827]

I have been in N scale for 50 years. Nscale is way more expensive than it used to be. Some cars are as much or more than locos were 15 years ago. I used to afford to buy several locos at once, now, good luck with that. The biggest gripe I have w/ Nscale is the cost. Also, to many small detail parts are not necessary. They add cost and fall off to easily. HO is actually starting to look like a better option.

[@Mike-pj1kv]

I love n scale but visually can be a little difficult to see and appreciate all the details. Nevertheless, for all the other reasons, I go with N.

[@SoRTs6233]

Very subjective, unbiased comparison between two scales. I moved to n-gauge (UK name for n-scale) due to size limitation, and love it! Came across Triang TT gauge by accident and, to be honest, I am thinking that it might have been a better option. You made no effort to influence viewers one way or the other. Great view Jimmy. Take care.

[@garycrumrine9538]

A couple things that should be considered looking forward. Don't discount the Printing of buildings and industry. Nscale is more condusive to 3D printing based on the limitations of the actual printing devices.

[@mxferro]

The visual "landscape" ratio is more impressive in n scale plus pack in more track curves ,etc. The thing though is HO is more "intimate" as to closer in experience. O scale being "theater " experience of zoom in detail. It's all in how you want to perceive the models.

[@richardmycroft5336]

I have both N scale and HO scale with most of my time spent on the HO layout. The reasons are that it is a lot easier to build detailed scale scenes with HO and I'm less worried about busting something with the HO stuff as opposed to the N scale equipment.

[@muchfunwithtrains]

I've enjoyed G, O, On30, HO and HOn3 and N (and Lego, whatever scale that is...) over the years, and I agree that TT is the future. I love N scale, but I also love scale-sized trackwork, and doing handlaid track in N scale is another barrier that might keep me mainly in HO forever. The physics of wheel-on-rail is also considerably better in HO, so it's easier to keep the track and wheels clean and operating well. Maybe future "dead-rail" in N scale will change all that. Also, you didn't mention TrainZ, which is modeling full-size railroads on a computer simulator. It will be interesting to see how much that grows in popularity as life becomes more and more computer-based, and more resource-constrained.

[@splicetape9435]

I model mostly OO9. I find it as the perfect compromise. It takes up a lot less space than a OO and HO with the option of running N for something different. My layout Is a multi guage setup with a OO9 narrow gauge railway that meets OO standard gauge branch that meets at the head station for freight and passengers. There is also a couple examples of N scale that I use as half scale of standard gauge locomotives for the executives inspecting the railway.

[@Shipwright1918]

Personally a fan of O-27. Big O gauge trains in the footprint of an HO or N scale layout. Realistic? Not really. Fun? Yessir.

[@ThatGuyKal]

I see TT picking up in UK/Europe with the announcements from Hornby. Still tempted by N scale though.

[@zeekmx1970]

I totally agree, I like HO best. HO is really hitting right now because of the new sound modules with higher performance and better detail. Walthers, Anthem, Detailed Trains, to name a few. I love the diesel electrics. I run Walthers Burlington 8129 Digital Heavy Hauler, Rock Island and Rio Grande oil tankers. 1 Rio Grande live stock car. 2 CN red box cars, 1 universal flat car, dual offset caboose. 4x8 layout. It's on my channel.

[@CentralJerseyRailfan]

I think it will near popularity levels of HO but not quite on the HO level. I feel like the abundance of high end HO offerings like Athearn Genesis 2.0, Rapido Trains, ScaleTrains Rivet Counter help keep that scale afloat alongside DCC/sound and the abundance of factory lighting, although N scale is approaching HO levels of detail but not quite there

[@gregbuskirk]

I had several layouts in HO Scale but now that space is limited now involved I am have to down size and this will be my 2nd layout cause I am waiting to add the Big Boy in it so knowing HO Scale requires more room to hold it so with N Scale I will the room and space for it

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

god vid jimmy keep up the vids

[@TrainThingz]

N Scale already IS more popular in Japan. They've got more track options (Tomix is even more popular than KATO track and has a wider variety in track geometry) and they have some incredibly tiny industrial locomotives at very reasonable prices. There's little interest in narrow gauge in N (running on Z scale track) so the lack of equipment is kind of a chicken and egg situation - little product means little demand, and little demand means little manufacturer interest. HO Scale's only real advantage is in sound - simple physics means you're never going to be able to push the lower bass frequencies through a speaker that will fit in an N scale locomotive.

[@VestedUTuber]

To be fair, HO never caught on in Japan to begin with, so N didn't really have much competition. That's not to say that HO doesn't exist there - in fact, they have their own version of it, called HOj, that is used to represent 3'6" gauge equipment on 16.5mm gauge track. It's a little bit larger than OO in scale. But the problem with any variant of HO is that it takes up a LOT of space, something that's at a premium in Japan. N scale just works a lot better for them.

[@atshinkansen7439]

I model Japanese railways in N scale myself. I started off primarily in HO scale, and have also acquired a sizable collection of 3-rail O gauge trains for use during the holidays. I have ideas for an HO scale short line layout inspired by the railroads here in Central Texas, but N scale has come out on top for me. A bonus for me is that N scale trains are compatible with my other hobby, building Gundam and Star Wars models, as these are widely available in 1/144 scale-close enough to N scale as far as I am concerned. So I treat the trains and sci-fi models essentially as two sides of one “super hobby”.

[@oneastrails]

I think HO scale’s major advantage is the size. N is just too small. My almost 60 year old eyes just can’t deal with N scale. Sound is not a major advantage.

[@fireonthegrom2728]

I love ho scale, but I have to put my trains in an enclosure because we have two cats and I don’t have an extra room in my apartment to keep them out of, So I’m building an n scale coffee table layout

[@chrisroeben1085]

I started out in HO because I'm a details fanatic. I love adding details and have a huge desire to make very detailed scenes that draw the viewer into the scene and become part of it. I have a page out of the November 1993 Model Railroader magazine featuring their Model of the Month built by Everett T. Seymour that inspires me to do better and to do more. Now with being said, I live in a 2 bedroom apartment with my son and only have room for a 3'x10' N scale layout. This will also be highly detailed as much as possible. The other reason for N scale was Club politics in the local modular layout clubs that set up at various train shows around the state. The N scale club had the least politicking going on within the group. As for the manufacturers I started at the 2019 Trainfest in Milwaukee, WI making a case for more N scale development due to space constraints that new and old modelers are starting to face. I'm seeing more and more people moving into Condos and Apartments as quickly as they go up. There is no basement for layouts like a house has, and space is at a premium inside their unit. So between the space needs and the more highly detailed out of the box models N scale definitely has a good chance of over taking HO scale sometime in the not so distant future.

[@tommurphy4307]

moved to california 40 years and it wasn't until then i realized what a hostile environment a basement is for fine scale trains. not many basements in cali. there is one good thing about basements- they are nice and cool during the summer months and they make a great hideaway for us while moms upstairs entertaining the ladies. the down side of that is they can get bored and will invariably sneak downstairs to see what you are up to. so- hide the beers and blow your hit into the furnace draft control!