Will Our Deranged Regime Eventually Collapse? | TWS

[@davesantos2514]

As a matter of perspective, the US Govt literally assassinated the sitting President in 1963. The Republic has been lost for a loooong time. Also, Iceland has amazing food. The hot dogs in particular.

[@ClarkCan]

Civil War was the latest you can say that an empire was started, and republic was abandoned. Empires subjugate.

[@slappy8941]

The Republic died when Lincoln killed it and established a military empire.

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

I think it started to get back on track with Grover Cleavland. It's just that due to other forces, it could not stay the course and we fell into tyranny.

[@dks13827]

they dont hire losers...........like Lee.

[@JacksCommercialGodhead]

@@ClarkCan Trying to label what it has been at any stage of degradation is distracting I think. America started as a question of "can you contain government", and its entire history has been an increasingly loud "no".

[@Hawk999]

Anyone notice the 3 pictures on the wall behind Auron. They are: - Pantera - Cowboys From Hell 1990 - Iron Maiden - Brave New World 2000 - Candlemass - Nightfall 1987 A very interesting conversation. With lots of great points.

[@kanuuker]

He had Saboton and two others I don't remember in the last interview.

[@ProcrustesTheClown]

I think he switches em up. Auron is a huge classic heavy metal guy

[@nidhishshivashankar4885]

@@ProcrustesTheClownas is Tom i believe

[@killermonjero]

🤘

[@Hawk999]

@@nidhishshivashankar4885 as far as I know Tom is into death metal. He is still into prog, but it seems death metal has been added to the mix lately.

[@Hashishin13]

Iceland is opening up to "refugees" right now I hear. Lets see how long it still works.

[@TheLifesentence2278]

They'll be a minority in their own country in a decade.

[@TheLifesentence2278]

They got a rabbi it was only a matter of time after that.

[@markward1473]

@@TheLifesentence2278 Lol I did a X search and in 2018 Iceland got it's first Rabbi. One week later he is advocating that "Iceland must do more for refugees" Apparently they have voted to bring in 100 Gaza refugees... No way this will turn to shit 🙂 Another tweet "But country is seeing spree of violence and sexual assaults since importing 300 “refugees” last year" I have not researched how accurate this is but would not be surprised.

[@ClarkCan]

Same with Japan. We can kiss anime, manga and their depressing literature goodbye.

[@geesixnine]

Technically, Iceland was settled by vikings and regular people fleeing Norway/Sweden.

[@metaldams78]

I was literally just having this thought at my job today. I work in a department of seven people. We all know each other, things are easy to manage and I can talk to my boss face to face like an adult if there’s a problem. I worked for larger places where this was not the case. This can certainly be applied on a larger scale to nation states. Yes, I do believe a national divorce is needed. By the way, I thought my eyes were deceiving me until I realized that was indeed the Nightfall album cover from Candlemass in the background. Then I noticed Maiden and Pantera. Good stuff.

[@klolwut]

The boys are back in town

[@haydonhockey]

Great show Tom! Love these conversations with Auron.

[@FierceSleepingDog]

I did some architectural and travel photography on my Pen F with the 12mm f2 recently. I was VERY IMPRESSED with the IQ from that lens. Just fantastic!

[@Mrmikehoncho1992]

Loving that Candlemass 'Nightfall' cover on the wall behind Auron. Doom on!

[@Standinthegap0]

I haven't started listening yet. My opinion: things can stay awful where no one having any solution or resolve for years on end. See some Latin American countries.

[@jacywilson]

Yep. People have really taken for granted the prosperity of our country and the hard work of our forefathers

[@RichardPhillips1066]

True ...collapse is pie in the sky talk , even Zimbabwe didn't collapse under Mugabe , and there's never been a worse government

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

@@RichardPhillips1066 Then what's the solution? Because I don't see libertarians or reactionaries stepping up to take power and change things

[@Eterna7Plays]

@@NeonAnimeDreamssolution? Lol

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

@Eterna7Forms so you have no hope then? Libertarians or reactionaries won't take power and the system won't collapse under its own weight and failures? You're saying we are doomed to live under this tyranny forever?

[@thelawfus]

Auron should be a regular guest. I’d like to hear you, Auron and Malice on a round table.

[@donaldneale8921]

Malice had Auron on his podcast.

[@Rasenganplanet]

Malice is increasingly uncomfortable around dissidents and their ideas. Has been for at least a year now. He’s going normie hardcore at this point.

[@dvg4104]

Auron is a great guest. Malice is a bore.

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

@@dvg4104 I agree, Malice can't decide what he is and who he wants to support. I get the feeling he's far more of an objectivst than an anarchist or libertarian, but who knows with that guy.

[@troll_kin9456]

​@@Rasenganplanet Malice takes the time to hear people out. That doesn't oblige him to hear out their tedious ideas over and over, just because they come from a dissident.

[@AnselLindner]

First question you should ask him is, 'do you think a catholic king is a good.' This guy would say YES.

[@jesse123185]

Probably not unconditionally yes depends on who this catholic king is and what he intends for his people, that's what I would say anyway. I can't really speak for Auron but I listen to about all his pods he's not a monarchist seems not to be attached to any particular ideology or system.

[@geesixnine]

It'd be limited by the constitution

[@johnl5316]

he certainly is obsessed by and upset by the existence of gay males. THAT tells us something.

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

Auron is not as pro monarchy as you think, he sort of stradles that line between classical liberalism and feudalism. The main take away from him if you really pay attention to what he says, he wants a decentralized form of government that has most of the benefits of classical liberalism but with the flaws removed.

[@geoffjensen5305]

Autumn’s great! Thanks for the conversation.

[@GilbertLMusic]

"A Link to the Past!"

[@bennyhogan6326]

Your analogy at the end is SPOT ON and it’s rotten fruit lives on

[@theegodkingmammz1595]

Man there better be somethin hot planned for your 2500 episode tom!

[@shane727]

Take a shot every time Auron says "go ahead" or "went ahead"

[@rwalkenhorst]

Yeah, really annoying. Otherwise good discussion.

[@markvoelker6620]

It is collapsing.

[@jenniferr7361]

At the 39 minute mark, makes me remember what Francis A. Schaeffer wrote in The God Who is There. That is exactly what he had said back in the 1960s

[@Realliberal]

The ‘Nomenclatura.’

[@abcdeshole]

Great discussion.

[@WhoThrewThat]

Excellent!

[@seaofseeof]

It's kinda funny, cuz Tom Woods' politics represent everything MacIntyre opposes on a pretty fundamental level. And I'm pretty sure that MacIntyre's greatest interest in appearing on Tom's show is to convert libertarians to his side. But 'Nightfall' by Candlemass is a pretty sweet album, I'll give him that.

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

I wouldn't say everything. Tom is a family man and realizes the importance of community, he also understands how the regieme operates and wishes to dismantle that control grid just as Auron does. They are fellow travelers in my opinion, it's just their end goal isn't exactly the same.

[@seaofseeof]

@@NeonAnimeDreams Politically, literally everything. Tom Woods is firmly in the liberal position of Ludwig von Mises, Bastiat, and so on. This is the tradition that MacIntyre firmly and outright rejects and blames for the ills of the modern world. I'm sure they have a lot of commonalities in overall worldview, for sure. MacIntyre and I do as well, anyway. As I value shared history, culture and communal bonds over politics as well, which I'm sure Woods would be on board with too. But politically, with Woods being a Misesian and MacIntyre being a post-liberal, they are resolute opposites. And MacIntyre's frequent mockery of libertarians reaffirms that.

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

@seaofseeof Macintyre is sometimes inconsistent though. He will bash the entire liberal experiment in one sentence and in the next say the constitution is a good framework to run society provided the core beliefs of the people havn't changed. In my opinion, Macintyre probably wishes to go back to something that resembles a small classical liberal government but with some changes here and there and certain things put in place to guard it. I mean, he's not a monarchist or an advocate for theocracy after all, so I think I'm more or less correct with what he really wants, but feel free to have your own opinion on it.

[@Rasenganplanet]

@@seaofseeofBastiat lived 200 years ago and supported all kinds of government interventions into society that would seem feudal. There is no “Liberal Project”. Men back then who identified as Liberals enforced obscenity laws, restricted women from voting, executed criminals weeks after catching them, upheld racial hierarchies, and colonized the world. Tom has no particular issue with local hierarchies and neither does Auron. Tom has always been against immigration and abortion. Tom has always had a soft spot for traditional societies through local governments, duchies, free cities, small kingdoms, etc… that can operate with little governments in their vicinity. Tom and Auron view the US Empire and security state, lockdowns, bailouts, the welfare state, abortion, states rights, immigration, Christianity and the trans question in fairly similar lights. Reactionaries and right wing Ancaps are natural allies in almost every contemporary issue, with only a few exceptions like drug legalization.

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

@Rasenganplanet I agree, there's more in common between Tom and Auron than there's different. Really, this shouldn't be a surprise because libertarianism took a reactionary turn with Rothbard in the 90s and it only got more reactionary with Hoppe.

[@ronamartel1286]

Excellent show. People really need to hear and understand what the guest is saying. We need to finally deal with reality of political power as it is.

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

Libertarians have understood the reality of political power for longer than these reactionary types. The problem is that despite knowing what they know they either don't know how to properly confront it, or are unwilling too. Perhaps there is no answer other than to let the powerful make their own mistakes and collapse the system all on their own though since the reactionaries, much like the Libertarians, also fail to act to change things.

[@Hoogee4]

I wonder why Iceland works. Guess twice, its not about "shared beliefs" although that doesnt hurt.

[@dvg4104]

It's full of Icelandic folk.

[@jfaulk5717]

Yes!! Liturgy reform entered the chat!

[@austiin8981]

Are we 1920's Germany? It's disturbingly similar

[@RichardPhillips1066]

One the reasons the Moustache man rose to power was the left was insane in Germany at the time, and centrists picked the right, rather than risk becoming a communist country

[@shazariahl]

The 3rd law is the most interesting to me, but was barely touched on. Great discussion though, I loved both these segments.

[@JC-qh6wl]

I like Auron, but he is completely wrong about the system collapsing. That the people maintaining and operating the system are bottom of the barrel quality now is self evident but the system itself is stronger than it’s ever been and there doesn’t seem to be evidence to the contrary. He didn’t cite any

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

I don't know, personally I'm seeing cracks forming in the system. Information is leaking out that in times past never would have.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

I think he cited the deep precedent of all of human history. One could argue we are still in the solidification phase rather than collapse & I think there is some variety injected at the borders between phases as to when it shifts early or is held off but having prophetic sight on that now is beyond by current capacities. On a side note it would be good to see the great thinkers & deed doers classified into the phase quadrants.

[@raskolnikov6443]

He doesn’t believe in the great and sudden collapse as far as I know.

[@therealscot2491]

So where do you discuss will the state collapse?

[@troll_kin9456]

Iceland was not so inhospitable when it was first settled.

[@Dockeysnakee]

It's been a long time since I've watched or read any content from Tom Woods. Reminds me of my libertarian days.

[@poetmaggie1]

I keep wondering who gave the US the permission to keep taking the land of others.

[@poetmaggie1]

The bigger they are the more they attempt absolute control.

[@gavinfoley103]

My God. The American people? I agree but the American peiple is going to be very different in a few years to what it was a few years ago.

[@gefiltefist2088]

Morrisseys got 2 lighten up

[@Mokinono45]

psst Tom, the Seat is Empty, being R&R is so 1980s

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

A message for the Bill Maher types who have either never really understood group dynamics or think that somehow, someway, the brand of liberalism they believed was a force for good will make a comeback after the crazies have had their chance to vent: “That evening loud laughter and bursts of singing came from the farmhouse. And suddenly, at the sound of the mingled voices, the animals were stricken with curiosity. What could be happening in there, now that for the first time animals and human beings were meeting on terms of equality? With one accord they began to creep as quietly as possible into the farmhouse garden...They tiptoed up to the house, and such animals as were tall enough peered in at the dining-room window. There, round the long table, sat half a dozen farmers and half a dozen of the more eminent pigs…The pigs appeared completely at ease in their chairs...'Gentlemen,' concluded Napoleon, 'I will give you the same toast as before, but in a different form…here is my toast: To the prosperity of The Manor Farm! ' The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” ― George Orwell: Final Chapter of Animal Farm Nothing new under the sun. Power eventually consolidates. It's not strange bedfellows at all, simply new arrangements based on mutual interests. The fruition of Marx's dialectic. What? I thought this was what you wanted. Funny how reality has a way of bringing everyone down out of the clouds at some point. Or as John McClain put it: "Welcome to the party pal." The thing is, you sent out the invitations. The crazies were just serious is all.

[@MartymcFly-zz2pg]

Bill maher is a tool

[@johnglenn2539]

If only married, White, property owning men, we wouldn't be in this mess. Just sayin...

[@NeonAnimeDreams]

Takes a little more than that to make and keep a libertarian society, but you're on the right track.

[@marcbahn5487]

Married, White, property-owning men passed the 19th Amendment.

[@johnglenn2539]

@@marcbahn5487 more fools them

[@rudi5139]

@@marcbahn5487 People want to be liked. A bad habit.

[@WaffleusRex]

This change to the liturgy is one of the initial reasons I chose Orthodoxy over Catholicism. While I'm pretty dead set on going Orthodox now, at some point, I want to go to a traditional Latin Mass just to experience it. I've been to a Novus Ordo Mass and it simply doesn't do it for me the way the Divine Liturgy does.

[@metaldams78]

While not quite as decisive at the moment, I’m at the very beginning of a similar faith journey. Thanks for sharing.

[@Charlie-gk1uq]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Western Rite in Orthodoxy similar to the Latin mass except it’s in the vernacular?

[@WaffleusRex]

@@Charlie-gk1uq I think so. Don't take my word for it, though.

[@Charlie-gk1uq]

@@WaffleusRex I’ve started attending an OCA parish. I wasn’t really tempted with Catholicism, but I do have a sort spot for western aesthetics from my brief experience in Anglicanism

[@WaffleusRex]

@@Charlie-gk1uq For me, it was either going to be Byzantine Rite Catholicism or Orthodoxy.

[@nolongerhave-couth4771]

Here again, we have nothing new under the sun.

[@zachsalvatore5175]

💪

[@Forreal3846]

Is there a classical/standard definition for right wing?

[@city_of_coompton6832]

Auron says "go ahead' too much

[@Holt817]

At the start it sounded like they said a homogeneous society is what makes a society. Not diverse as Tom had indicated many times when talking about the USA, when talking about racial diversity as a good thing. He has to be more consistent in talking points and not change them to match the current guest. Or at least acknowledge that he is not onboard with the concept currently being put forward.

[@torrasque0151]

Consider that Tom has changed his mind. Tho I'm not a regular viewer and maybe he's professed what you're saying in the very recent past.

[@Paul-ki8dg]

Life is strange these days. Ya know, I had the thought that we dream our environments, what they're made of. Maybe our dreams are getting interrupted by some surreal big pharma advert followed by another saying that it won't happen if I buy an upgrade for $10 to prevent that from happening. Maybe I'll dream about Omaha Steaks tonight.

[@troll_kin9456]

"Everyone is Conservative about what he knows best" Whoa, whoa....how is that not controversial? Firstly, in explaining this maxim, Auron is using the innocuous definition of Conservative, meaning cautious or risk-averse. So even if the statement was correct, it's a sleight of hand to try and then imply some profound conclusions about political Conservatism. But the statement is not even correct on those terms. The people most familiar with skateboarding are not the most Conservative skateboarders - quite the opposite. If I borrow a friend's car, I'm more conservative with it than I am with my own. Only an extremely narrow and esoteric definition of the terms used here could make that statement true. In fact, the opposite is very often true.

[@dks13827]

White. no ;immigrants' !!!

[@theegodkingmammz1595]

This guy says “go ahead and” after everything he says. Thats all im hearing. Lol

[@Ones_Complement]

A discussion on their political disagreements would be a lot more interesting than these tedious NRX shill sessions. Nah, let's have 20 more episodes about how we both agree democracy sucks.

[@sabrewolf479]

This conversation is categorically not worth the commercials you have to endure.

[@JudgeMatty]

🙄

[@johnl5316]

He certainly is obsessed by and upset by the existence of gay males. THAT tells us something.

[@torrasque0151]

I don't think gay anything was mentioned in this episode at all.

[@johnp7739]

You sound like a bundle of sticks.

[@rudi5139]

I wouldn‘t want my son to be gay. Like most people.