Will Rivals 2 Kill Smash Bros? (ft. Zain and Cody Schwab)

[@stradius]

you can tell moky's a true gamer by the way he immediately hates everything that works against him in the game he just started playing fifteen minutes ago, respect

[@benferrisinverts4198]

I do this shit and when i get good at somthing i get less mad haha

[@Rhyme_Time]

answer: this game will fill a desire for something that is actually updated & has the best chance to stand on its own from the rest of the genre. it doesn't suffer from desperately trying to be a trend or money machine and actually cares about innovating the genre. they have their own vision and i respect it.

[@atari_hmb]

yeah everyone is unique, inspired...but unique it keeps true to itself- I love it.

[@cptnqusr]

as a longtime rivals player, this game really helps you feel like you're the sickest player alive

[@thedssb]

mokyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy im so drunkkkkk mokyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@PerryNOTplaty]

19:10 need moky to pop off like this next time he wins a set at a major

[@tremen151]

OH YAY!!!

[@Non-disjunction]

10:55 Zain really screaming yippie nowadays

[@curse5697]

i don't think any platform fighter that isn't made by Nintendo could ever kill Smash, BUT, if one of the new gen plat fighters had to do it, it would definitely be Rivals 2.

[@ramennight]

For smash it will have to be like the other great series to die. Nothing killed them, they just killed themselves.

[@almightyscrimblo]

(response to title) Short answer: No, but that's okay Long answer: Games in a certain genre shouldn't be looked at as if they're going to "kill" the current most popular game in the genre. Smash is still wildly popular and will continue to be for the forseeable future, and Rivals 2 isn't going to change that. Competition is still good for the genre though, and I think that Rivals 2 has good potential to become one of the top dogs in the platform fighter genre. It's not going to "kill" smash (I don't think anything can at this point), but it will still have its place in the genre for sure. Anyways, WISHLIST RIVALS 2 ON STEAM IT'S PEAK

[@NormalPunch-]

you're bad and wrong

[@mattsheehan3604]

This guy sucks, 10,000 years of rivals 2

[@walkingking707]

One thing I believe which will give Rivals an edge over smash is the fact it can be at EVO and Smash can't cause Big N. EVO is growing year after year especially with the release of SF6. If Rivals 2 can cement itself as the resident Platform Fighter at EVO, it could boost its popularity heavily. It may not kill smash but for sure make it a competitor.

[@iamshabingus]

This

[@mattsheehan3604]

@@walkingking707 that would be nice but main evo slots are too competitive now for an indie plat fighter to stand a chance imo

[@AdThe1st]

Can't believe Zain yippied lol

[@Uberjunge]

smash is so lucky to have zain

[@Pyugles]

I hope it kill smash. Ult at least. Looks waaaay better for competitive play than ult.

[@dinnerlord65]

🗣️🔥

[@veapron2452]

I love the kind of attention rivals 2 gets, I know its cliché to say but I think rivals 2 will be able to stand on its own even with a larger community idk man I think the devs deliver good netcode, great chars, good engine, good communication between community and devs and so much I just cant wait to compete in this game!

[@curse5697]

Me too!!!

[@ObliviousBear]

Yeah, I'm very excited with anything that brings more players to the franchise, smash players deserve to experience what a developer that doesn't hate them is like

[@curse5697]

@@ObliviousBear exactly

[@vroom221]

so many people feel the same way (me included) and i guess it shows that we found some game devs who care, have a vision, and its all up for us fans to make their game glow. And i want to help any way i can

[@fey_png]

WE NEED MORE RIVALS CONTENT MOKY. THE FANS DEMAND IT

[@vroom221]

"i dont think i wanna play as Kragg but i respect it" You just described Kragg so perfectly

[@punkypony5165]

@21:00 Actually Rivals 2 is not f2p the game is $30 but all characters including DLC characters will be free and unlocked automatically. The only thing they're charging for past the base game is cosmetics like skins.

[@izefreeze]

I'm really impressed with Rivals 2. It's the first smash-like that is really appealing (for me).

[@curse5697]

Yes, it's the only one that actually feels good to play and familiar to Smash gameplay

[@punkypony5165]

Excited for Rivals 2 and Combo Breakers

[@curse5697]

@@punkypony5165 you mean combo devils?

[@Pepitossj4]

Gameplay looks nice , the goofy furry designs in the other hand...

[@homeyworkey]

@@Pepitossj4 most of them look dope. zetterburn looks pretty cooked tho if ur only experience is this video

[@leojones1964]

There's another character from RoA 1 who's coming eventually who also has Aerial Strongs/Smash attacks

[@nintenstation128]

They better not add that mf that puts smoke all over the goddamn screen

[@Chr1sT0fu]

who's gonna tell him

[@splish_tx]

He's literally gonna be the next character revealed lmao

[@I.Love.Kishka]

*gets backaired at 70 once*

[@PatOnTheBack321]

I can't wait for Forsburn! I have the plush of him 😅

[@nintenstation128]

:(

[@sahhhbrahhh6408]

I liked the progression of this vid. It was fun to watch :)

[@bugcatcherharold5315]

I like how the editing shows Moky's thought process. He was saying that shields feel a little too strong, then gets two kill throws in a row, lol. He identified an issue, then applied the counterplay.

[@curse5697]

This game is gonna be the best next platform fighter by far.

[@sharky2606]

I absolutely want it to, I just don't see it happening

[@readyplayerthree3]

I really like the lil pop offs with each of your plays you make! I kinda struggle with improvement cause I feel I focus more on how much I screw up and I'm workin on that but if I can pick this up maybe I'll actually make progress! (I play Rivals 1, probably going to prefer it over 2 but I'd love to see more Rivals in general from smashers!)

[@orendamusic7577]

This game feels like starcraft 2 if melee is brood war A little more casual friendly, better graphics, but still really deep

[@sampletext5959]

That… is an interesting analogy, especially since I just got done watching a video on SC2.

Wrastor when he goes into freefall is quite literally the same pose falco does in melee

[@XxMaxwellxX01]

I hope this game pops off

[@BacchusGames]

Rivals for me feels a lot like the melee I've always wanted as an Ultimate player. Everything is just so smooth and polished like ultimate, but it has the combos and creativity that makes me love to watch melee. For people like me, this game is truly goated.

[@mrgamerman131]

mokyPregnant

[@irongiant5951]

So thats what mPreg stands for....

[@cake4ssault]

cool video

[@Extracredittttt]

👀

[@mattsheehan3604]

Is that supernova 2024 champion cakeassault

[@sbebular]

rivals my beloved

[@alibi4052]

i dont think it’ll kill the game, but will co exist with smash tbh

[@skippylikeno]

I love that zetter has a kill throw and it's kinda nasty. I hope they don't nerf it, or if they do maybe it should have like recoil damage or something but I don't get tired of seeing him crack someone's skull open at 90%

[@NeutralOfficial]

No one makes content about games killing smash more then smash players

[@SadToffee]

I honestly would be happy to see Rivals overtake smash. the community would have such an easier time growing,

[@averageultrakillnoob]

11:34 tuah

[@AdamSrgnt]

Zetterburn officially Zuckerberg in my lexicon

[@disaffected_npc]

Button checking through characters qithout the opportunity to hitfall made this look a lot like ultimate with the fixed jump arcs :o

[@texasred8424]

you can always tell when someone's a smash player or a rivals player based on how they react to galaxy (do i have to call it purple now?)

[@dinnerlord65]

Wait what’s galaxy

[@texasred8424]

@@dinnerlord65 in roa (original) when you land a hit with killing knockback the screen flashes with a galaxy png and this is replaced with a purple screen in rivals 2. the effect that's similar to this (idk how to describe it) that happens in smash is often wrong so smash players always wait to pop off until the death, but the galaxy is always accurate so usually rivals players get hype when they see it

[@Sadboiiz98]

Fucking love Rivals. Hope everyone sticks with it. Love seeing my melee heroes learn my favorite game!!!

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

No way it kills melee but I do want it to live in conjunction with it. I have been a backer since the kick starter launched and finally played the beta this past weekend since my other friends could play and since then its all I have wanted to do. This feels like the best modern platform fighter to date and I did not like rivals 1. IMO the best platform fighter is P+/PM but you know... this will have to be second to melee but a close second hopefully.

[@Tree3D]

I know shield feels really good, but it's because grab is REALLY good. Every character has nutty shit off of grab

[@Tree3D]

It does feel bad hitting their shield when they are on a platform though. I've been doing a mix of waveland grab and a late aerial and hit falling into shield so I can punish their shield drop aerial with whatever

[@affluenzashot]

The inclusion of a new special attack during grab is a nice touch and another small way of making the game stand out from Smash

[@sliqriq21]

Here we go again

[@beardalaxy]

Nothing will ever "kill Smash Bros" unless it is Nintendo letting the IP rot, but Rivals 2 is the best (official) platform fighter IMO.

[@Rafael-d5e1n]

I think rivals 2 will address what smash bros couldn’t great servers possibly better updates. Maybe a bigger competitive scene with the genre. Looks like it has lots of potential.

[@chinacaat1880]

moky has twenty different "the one thing i dont like"s lol

[@BinxyBrown]

Tell Moki he can parry your wind projectile and then it won't give you the speedup for like 5 seconds

[@TryhardXMD]

No competitive game can kill smash 😭

[@alexandre37330]

why cody is anoying when he spoke

[@melon9660]

Zain found wrastor fair and down strong 💀

[@palatonian9618]

This was pre Zetter nerfs Moky needs to watch some Stango clips from the most recent patch if he hasnt yet 🔥

[@idostuff2010]

Moky wall tech against Wrastor's down strong challenge (impossible)

[@KP_Uravity]

0:01 no, it certainly won't 😅 but i hope it has a decent player base. I loved rivals 1 and it sucks waiting for 5 minutes or longer to try and get a match

[@ABC-ik9vj]

Will Rivals 2 kill smash bros melee* There ya go, melee is almost dead and Rivals is looking better rn, let the whole franchise alone

[@Grimbaloo]

To answer the question in the title, no. Rivals 2 is good, but it will not kill Smash.

[@PurposeDriven7_]

5:34 “Leffen was right.” About what?

[@plummeted]

no *closes video*

[@curse5697]

shut up

[@SivillyHoshi]

no but it'll be an incredible game

[@kev1502]

Man this shit looks so fun. If my laptop runs Melee fine would it be able to run this?

[@curse5697]

my brother you can pray

[@sincereduck9405]

probably not lol

[@10Gpixels]

Moky learned how to hitfall. He's beginning to believe.

[@tgordon681]

ZUCKERBERG LOOOL

[@Reizor_]

I know this game is still in beta but I hope they add a slight screen shake with hits to add an extra oomph to the hits. The game looks pretty static from a viewer's perspective. (also please please please add ori and sein back PLEASE)

[@pompkons2809]

BaileInsano

[@randoprime]

Wrastor can’t spam his projectile though

[@bryanmehelic5918]

good video

[@Ultoman10]

how are they able to play right now?

[@curse5697]

@@Ultoman10 beta weekends, this weekend is gonna be the last one till full release

[@Ultoman10]

@@curse5697 so this was recorded in the previous weekend? This weekend starts tomorrow right

[@curse5697]

@@Ultoman10 i'm guessing that's what it is

[@Ultoman10]

@@curse5697 im just fiending to play this game 😂

[@curse5697]

@@Ultoman10 same, can't wait

[@cheesewizz_]

comment for the mono thumbnail algorithm

[@nikolai-mn4bd]

nobody beats cody schwab 10 times in a row

[@jiraiya2000]

Really cool

[@aurph]

DONT NEED TO WATCH VIDEO. RIVALS 2 GOATED GAME. #1 STEAM CHART #1 MOVEMENT MELEE OLD ASS GAME #1 RIVALS!

[@sczoot6285]

Yes

[@DragunnitumGaming]

how does this game compare to MultiVersus? 🤔

[@Extracredittttt]

In my opinion, it is better gameplay in almost every conceivable way. I'm not a big fan of Multiversus - the teamwork is fun-ish but the 1v1 is unplayable imo. The movement in Rivals 2 is way more expressive, the move sets are way more thought out, the mechanics are more innovative to the genre, and the 1v1 experience is excellent Rivals 2 is gonna be one of them ones

[@FabschOblivion669]

For starters, the Rivals 2 devs didn't make the game worse on purpose and doesn't have predatory monetization practices.

[@grimreaperdy3440]

Much much better

[@FabschOblivion669]

@@Extracredittttt Not to mention Rivals 2 isn't a slug of a game in terms of speed.

[@Extracredittttt]

@@FabschOblivion669 so true - not as blindingly fast as rivals 1 or melee. But faster than many of them where Multiversus is slow af

[@DreadnThis]

How can I play this?

[@marcgoncalis9802]

Hopefully.

[@BigHit9922]

I hope so

[@joshgibson6564]

14:10 THIS MOMENT RIGHT HERE IS WHY WE NEED DRIFT DI. Drift DI was a crucial mechanic in Rivals of Aether, and they removed it from Rivals 2. If you didn't know what to do, at least you could Drift very slightly in or out- forcing your opponent to vary their combo game. And they "compensate" by making DI more influencial. That's just gonna make newcomers get bodied even more at the already high skill floor.

[@DaisyDaisy-ck1mr]

eh i dont really feel this take. He just needs to learn the optimal regular DI, which is already gonna be way more intuitive than a new type of DI since he comes from smash. Drift DI makes situations that would otherwise be very clear suddenly unclear and "inconsistent", since youre dealing with microspacing instead of the 50/50 of di in and di out. I dont think thats a terrible thing I think it does create some interesting situations and fakeouts, but as far as accessibility I think classic DI is best, not just because people already understand it from smash but because it simplifies scenarios, and is similar in concept to hi-lo mixes in traditional fighters. I think taking a simplified defense is good when the situations you have to overcome to create your advantage state are much more complex due to shield. I get what youre saying about combos being overwhelming to new players but I think the flipside is if its easier to mess people up during their combos because of drift DI that will also be frustrating to new players who might not understand why there stuff isnt linking. But thats just my opinion I was never big on rivals 1 so mayhaps theres more too it I dont see.

[@shivernaut8607]

why games gotta kill each other DX

[@kalebgrady7621]

wont kill but will definitely over take smash until the next smash comes out. Having an actual netcode already makes rivals 2 better than smash.

[@noahkelly8907]

Every smash player when someone has a sword: “is this marth”?

[@PalPlays]

Zain's kinda washed. His days with Lud are numbered. #OnlyAMatterOfTime

[@airjoshua247]

No, there, just saved you 32 mins

[@curse5697]

Not an explainatory video, just a catchy title for gameplay showcase for an amazing platform fighting game

[@ThatWolfArrow]

To answer the title question: LOL No. Y'all forget casuals and nintendo fans exist?

[@LAST1GGK]

Tbh tho - literally all it takes is someone like RDCWORLD to play it on stream and now it’ll be filled lol With the times we live in now - the game can be literally mid as long as it’s able to be squeezed dry for content. People can start making videos clowning smash in comparison to rivals - pit everyone against each other - bring it to the attention of content creators - reverse psychology them into being like “No way rivals 2 is any good blah blah, it’s a fake smash” - get them to play it - clip all content and reactions - Get everyone to spam they should play with X top player - this creates content for both - milk the fuck outta that - and seemingly overnight rivals 2 will be huge lol

[@epicnerf1]

I think this is referring to "competitively".

[@BobbyBasketball19999]

answer: lmao

[@jcub1640]

Use shine bro

[@thecoolest0002]

2 betas ago dang

[@NormalPunch-]

Will it kill smash? No. Should it? definitely

[@Amoro22]

Why should smash die? I want both games to do well without being compared to each other.

[@NormalPunch-]

@@Amoro22 One is ran by an indie company that embraces their community. And the other is owned by a multi-billion dollar corporation that has actively knee-capped fans for over a decade.

[@tfx9223]

@@NormalPunch-there’s more to smash than just Nintendo

[@benjaminmedranda331]

I wamt olympia in this game so bad

[@Aro25_]

it won't but it's better imo

[@st4pps]

as someone who likes rivals more than smash PLEASE stop calling it a smash killer all it does it make people resent it.

[@byejimmy8645]

W

[@daserfomalhaut9809]

no

[@Gulfo_MX]

No.

[@SlenchFan]

Eww I hate this oh this is awesome oh this sucks oh this awesomeee

[@KingR098]

No

[@Yvs8962]

I hope so Melee sucks

[@K-Dizzle.]

Wrastor stopping mid-air to charge an attack feels broken. I think the momentum should persist... or at least gravity.

[@I.Love.Kishka]

Could end up being more broken honestly. His ability to carry you to the blastzone is a big strength of his (especially in Rivals 1), so a change like this might actually make his combo routes way more powerful. The pausing and charging strong dair looks broken here, but if it's near the wall it's actually pretty easy to tech in Rivals.

[@drbatt5141]

You only stop mid-air while charging. People typically don't utilize this feature and go for faster instant strongs, since they're amazing combo finishers when used this way

[@benjaminmedranda331]

Maybe but moky wasn't using the fire effect that much to even up the matchup

[@rage_tv4493]

smash ult? possibly but i dont think melee will ever die

[@jimboslicer-9000]

Ranno wu shang from brawlhalla?🤨

[@De_an]

I swear, all of the Smash players just pick Fleet or Zetter and nobody else.

[@rosheafan]

You literally saw Zain playing Wrastor in this video dude

[@braxaculee]

I’ll be honest. I hate the art style and the way the game looks. It looks clunky. Maybe the game is buttery smooth to play but it doesn’t look like it through a video.

[@Pepitossj4]

Gameplay looks nice , the goofy furry designs in the other hand...

[@cardinmalone4974]

We got a furry biased hater

[@curse5697]

brother, isn't the 70% of smash roster furry based???

[@cardinmalone4974]

Simple answer: No, it won't. If you like or enjoy Melee and edgehogging, then Rivals 2 is for you. If not and you're still into Ultimate, which IMO is the superior game, then you might not like playing Rivals of Aether or it's sequel.