Niall Ferguson and Will Self sit down for a conversation about Brexit, Europe, Trump, Populism and much else. Don't forget to Subscribe Filming by: Driftwood Pictures - www.driftwoodpictures.net
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@mikebordin68416 жыл бұрын
This is like Cathy Newman v Jordan Peterson part 2. It’s like these people live in a bubble...
@olywood62105 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing: "Ah, this person is obviously wrong. I don't need to bother doing my homework on this one". Other person brings arguments: "Oh".
@sacredsoma6 жыл бұрын
I am a fan of Self, but this was such a failure, such restraint on Niall's part who really did not get a decent question
@impartialinterest5 жыл бұрын
After watching this, i will make a point of avoiding anything written by Will Self.
@KuyVonBraun4 жыл бұрын
Poor snowflake
@J-SH064 жыл бұрын
Islington type fool
@bigballetlover4 жыл бұрын
@@teriekwilliams2828 A snowflake is someone who melts when they hear the truth.
@Spectrescup3 жыл бұрын
@@bigballetlover that's not how the term, as currently used, evolved
@mercury72166 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of debate. A conflict of perspectives argued with combative reasoning. Free speech forever.
@sylviakowalski74046 жыл бұрын
Respect to Naill Ferguson. Not sure everyone would have been able stay so calm. Not sure Will Self is aware of how he comes across.
@miguelochoa74663 жыл бұрын
you like to eat cheat, im shitting and they are shit shit it tit it
@patriciakimball81502 жыл бұрын
No kiddin’!
@hjhw1006 жыл бұрын
What has happened to Will Self?!?! He used to be interested in the art of writing, eloquent on the topics of thinking and clear on the way he posed questions. I can't think of someone more stand-offish, arrogant, pedantic, petty, dower and self righteous in all my time. Is he going for Paxman's depressed younger brother? I'm sure Niall Ferguson is a fascinating chap but their conversation stayed in the paddling-pool the whole time. Real shame.
@j0nnyism6 жыл бұрын
Hjh Westropp hes always been dour. Youve just forgotten
@richardwinfield67396 жыл бұрын
Heroin and mental illness happened.
@1gadena6 жыл бұрын
Hjh Westropp You should learn about Fergusons white Ayaan Hirsi Ali a absolute hero a real freedom fighter and women's rights activist her book Infidel her life story is incredible. You will not regret looking her up! She's a inspiration and a personal hero of mine
@greymouser86596 жыл бұрын
'Don't do drugs, m'kay'
@ChollieD6 жыл бұрын
*DOUR
@Dimera096 жыл бұрын
Wow. I would fall asleep listening to Will Self had I not killed myself clawing my ears out.
@serarthurdayne94906 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand people like Will Self who decide what they would like reality to be and then criticise others for not sharing the delusion.
@shakthidhasan45446 жыл бұрын
Well done Prof.Ferguson, you have shown to be above and beyond. Will Self really tried to drag you down the rabbit hole glad you stood your ground.
@GH-km9qm6 жыл бұрын
This is painful to watch. Will Self brings nothing to the conversation other than a kind of exhausting teenage snark. There's nothing uglier than an old infant.
@parlor__42176 жыл бұрын
I've watched a lot of Niall Ferguson interviews and despite what seems to be pure petulance from Self I think it works in Ferguson's favour. Ferguson is often seen as concretely right-wing and through Self's broad and unsophisticated caricatures of Ferguson's positions it actually gives him a chance to define his views, showing that he doesn't simply think 'The West Is The Best'. Most interviewers won't dare push Ferguson in this way, so whilst like yourself I initially found it childish, I actually think it's a refreshing approach. Self is much like Zizek. Most people can't stand them and in my view they can be hit or miss, but I think that's deliberate. They are cynical jesters whose provocations occasionally reveal a new or unheard perspective.
@GH-km9qm6 жыл бұрын
I see your point, and I'm glad you got something out of it. The problem I have with Self in the role of court jester is that he lacks the personality and the humour to pull it off. His attempts at what I assume he thinks are witty put downs fall flat at every attempt. There's just something deeply unlikable about the chap.
@parlor__42176 жыл бұрын
I agree, it's cringe worthy and difficult to watch at times. Ferguson did a great job at maneourving around the awkwardness. The problem is I can't think of anyone else in the UK that is willing to play the role of obnoxious gadfly, so we're stuck with Self for now even if he plays the role poorly.
@anatolepapafilippou79676 жыл бұрын
Will Self is like Russel Brand with bad jokes, bad teeth, bad hair, bad everything.
@marvelousssssss6 жыл бұрын
anatole papafilippou and , above all else, bad faith
@beatonthedonis6 жыл бұрын
Self's antagonistic and contrarian attitude forces Ferguson to raise his game.
@Squigglydodah2 жыл бұрын
14 minutes in and this is got to be the single most "British" conversation I have ever heard in my life! lol I love it.
@utubeisshite6 жыл бұрын
Jesus that was awkward. Self is an embarrassment.
@patriciakimball81502 жыл бұрын
Agree w all Niall says. But I could never manoeuver so artfully around such an interlocutor-and with such patience!
@joachimryan77066 жыл бұрын
I love Will Self's novels, but he's seriously out-classed here. Niall Ferguson is in command of the facts and the ability to reason them through. Will Self comes across as a jeering teenager, which I never really expected of him.
@nonfictionone4 жыл бұрын
that's a fuckwit; cornered.
@hayinka76916 жыл бұрын
Will Self's voice is so soothing. It helps fall to sleep.
@keeperofthecheese3 жыл бұрын
56:28 - Thats actually a great come back by Self, wont lie.
@danielj265311 ай бұрын
Yes, that's true, but early on he started the ad hominem match.
@donovanreimer23246 жыл бұрын
Note to Self. Go home and stay home. What an unbearable voice. Ferguson shines again.
@cardigan30005 жыл бұрын
Do you care more about peoples accents rather than the content of what they are saying?
@donovanreimer23244 жыл бұрын
cardigan3000 Well can you listen to him for long? And does anything he says, sound reasonable or intelligent? Ferguson wiped the floor with him.
@carlkamuti5 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to have seen these two take it outside. In fact I think there should be a new show in which the world's great thinkers settle their differences in a supermarket car park.
@nozemsagogo8685 жыл бұрын
When Self said "approvingly!" at 30:30 I wouldn't have had the self-restraint not to sock him in the face
@PostApocalypticSure6 жыл бұрын
Will: "I went to a shit school." Niall: "I know, I can tell."
@soosidescott5 жыл бұрын
Great listening to two blokes who obviously hate each other. A clear win for Niall
@aliofly6 жыл бұрын
Self really misunderstands Ferguson’s comment about the Arsenal score...
@bobwinters55725 жыл бұрын
Not really. Ferguson's Arsenal comment seems spontaneously peevish, but, he very agilely integrated it into a coherent response. It was actually quite impressive. Then again, the whole sequence could have just been staged to look that way.
@escapethewest5 жыл бұрын
Will self is doing a great impression of himself
@mikhailfranco4 жыл бұрын
Self-ie
@philipford61836 жыл бұрын
I sat down to watch this thinking, naively, 'oh, great - a genuine right-meets-left debate, this will be genuinely interesting'. Alas, within moments, Will Self kicked off proceedings with a vicious ad hominem and never stopped behaving with anything less than sneering, juvenile contempt for his interviewee throughout. Niall Ferguson was provoked, insulted and belittled by Mr. Self repeatedly - hats off to him for only losing his cool once or twice as he struggled to keep the discourse civil.
@danielj265311 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree. I was surprised Will Self would be so off the mark.
@2Hot210 ай бұрын
"'oh, great - a genuine right-meets-left debate" One of the main reasons Ferguson is my favorite public intellectual is that he's not a stereotypical cookie-cutter right-winger. He even explicitly says here he was never a republican and does not consider himself a conservative. He's one of the rare people smart and well-educated enough to think for himself. For example, although he's against a welfare state and for minimal government intervention , he's extremely critical of Trump, he's an atheist convinced of the importance of the separation of church and state in a world of born-again republicans, he was opposed to the Iraq War, he openly accuses colonialism of genocidal tendencies in "Empire" ("left") while recognising the positive effects of the colonies on infrastructure and technology ("right"). In short he adopts a balanced view that is anathema to the typical presentday brainwashed, polarized nutcases.
@tootlefly16 жыл бұрын
Johnny Marr and Morrissey discuss the Middle East
@parlor__42176 жыл бұрын
Punctured countries on a hill side, desolate
@aliofly6 жыл бұрын
which one is which?
@parlor__42176 жыл бұрын
'80s Marr always looked like the ghost of a Victorian chimney sweep. Hopefully that helps narrow it.
@themasterrogerdelgado6 жыл бұрын
Will Niall make a man of me yet?
@aliofly6 жыл бұрын
Bret Williams a jumped-up Glasgow Academy boy...
@hellodavey19026 жыл бұрын
This was fun. :)
@jonnutter6 жыл бұрын
"I'm not an atheist - maybe that's why I'm less intolerant than you." Coming from a 'professor of modern thought' at a London University, this is intolerable casuistry from Self. He's a busted flush. A spent force in the dying galaxy of postmodernism
@jmcee61223 жыл бұрын
So well said !
@dominic99833 жыл бұрын
Self is one of the world's most bitter critics of "postmodernism", please read at least one book that isn't written by Jordan Peterson. I promise you it will help you stop writing comments as embarrassing as this.
@jonnutter3 жыл бұрын
@@dominic9983 What utter twaddle. Have you attended any of his academic lectures? Jesus
@dominic99833 жыл бұрын
@@jonnutter No but I’ve read a couple of his books, which I can immediately tell is more than you’ve accomplished. Why the focus on academic lectures anyway? Has he delivered a “In Praise of Postmodern Neo-Marxism” talk that I’ve missed?
@jonnutter3 жыл бұрын
@@dominic9983 Why do my replies keep getting deleted? I'll say it again then... Your pathetic, lame ad hominem and speculative accusation of JBP-worship points to an arrogance I come across quite often from a rather desperate leftist position. It's imbeciles like you that give modern leftism its bad name and why the right is now getting a free ride to do its worst. You need to do better
@MubuDuke6 жыл бұрын
Poor Will Self. I was feeling sorry for him by the end of this
@lafctv6 жыл бұрын
Note to Self: When you start a discussion calling someone a bigot, this is the result - pointless, repetitive blather. Tapping out after 40 wasted min.
@celestialteapot33106 жыл бұрын
What a pompous pair of puffed up pontificating pricks.
@bobwinters55725 жыл бұрын
In that case you missed the really quite interesting question and answer to the modern state of American anti-trust law. The word I would apply to Will Self for pretty much the entire discussion would be "sullen", but in that brief moment Ferguson provided an interesting analysis and Self appeared genuinely interested.
@mosheweintraubmdphdcardiol69865 жыл бұрын
unbearable, this will-self..... Nial is very patient with this guy. Best woud be Will interviews himself
@robbie_6 жыл бұрын
Good god, Will Self really is an insufferable fool.
@plekkchand5 жыл бұрын
Yep, and certainly overmatched here.
@leanmchungry47356 жыл бұрын
"What you've said Will in every conceivable way misrepresents my position, 'Great, yes' says Will ...and egregiously" This was a good discussion, but I feared Ferguson might have given Will a Glasgow kiss.
@shenlaoshi71066 жыл бұрын
Self is too much about himself and really arrogant in this interview. He is not an intellectual equal to Niall, though I am a liberal.
@weaq844 жыл бұрын
Does anybody which of Montaigne's essays the quote on games comes from? I've tried to search for it but to no avail.
@bunkerbill5 жыл бұрын
Will self meets someone who knows what he actually talks about.
@standalby69494 жыл бұрын
Do you think so ? Britain wouldn’t be in the shit now if it wasn’t for Ferguson & his BS figures , his in the pockets of master Bill Gates
@bunkerbill4 жыл бұрын
@@standalby6949 this isn't neil ferguson. It's Niall ferguson.
@standalby69494 жыл бұрын
Bunker Bill Really ? F me , am retarded sometimes ha my bad , I do apologise most sincerely folks , thanks for pulling me up , it stops me from making a arse of myself again in any future posts , cheers
@standalby69494 жыл бұрын
Neil Ferguson looks a bit like Woody Allen www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/amp/ A younger version obviously
@kurisensei3 жыл бұрын
Will Self often talks to people who know what they're talking about
@arisasis75024 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Thank you to Niall for the profound insights on history, and to Will for holding Niall to account for his views and conclusions about the arbitrariness of history and the parameters of human free will. Listening to them talk was time well spent.
@ajrutherford6005 жыл бұрын
I though I liked Will Self but he comes across as foolish in this interview
@alexandermitchell3183 жыл бұрын
Will Self falls far below the absolute gutter minimum that should be required for anyone to get a job in education. Niall Ferguson, on the other hand, is exactly who you would want teaching your children. Well done to Niall for remaining calm throughout Self's constant fallacious statements and misrepresentations.
@smcqueen1236 жыл бұрын
I am not a political fan of Niall but Will was poor and just not got game. It felt like Will didn't bother to do much homework and wasn't bothered. That cost 25 pounds to go see I would not have been happy.
@rupertnewton6 жыл бұрын
25 quid! bloody hell...thats ridiculous...it was a book promo event, it should be free, or free book with purchase...
@chuchaichu4 жыл бұрын
Not doing homework doesn't necessarily makes a man a self-absorbed narcissist. It is the character of the man, not the not-doing-home-work thing.
@SharkSkull23 жыл бұрын
Will Self got visibly shaken in this. good stuff
@ZeusKnocksYouOut2 жыл бұрын
It's generally more enjoyable to watch two people "play gracefully with ideas," rather than egotistically spar with one another - at least for me. Intellectual sparring is great as well but it's less enjoyable when one tries to put words in another's mouth or constantly attempt to make someone out to be a bigot when they clearly are not as Self tries here with Ferguson.
@lukebarratt91706 жыл бұрын
it becomes Will Self interviewing Nial Ferguson because WIll Self really doesn't have too much to say does he?
@cardigan30005 жыл бұрын
either that or he was the interviewer
@bigballetlover4 жыл бұрын
Will Self is very good at putting words in Niall Ferguson's mouth - usually based on his own prejudices.
@nicko81185 жыл бұрын
This was like watching a 16 year old having an argument with his dad. cant believe that Will self actually teaches at university
@johndeighan24955 жыл бұрын
That was my thought exactly. Overmatched intellectually, and in an obvious attempt to save face, Self chose to pretend the whole discussion was beneath him. Like a sulky teenager.
@nicko81185 жыл бұрын
@@johndeighan2495 he was the exact same in his discussion with Zizek. embarrassing
@kevinhoward15166 жыл бұрын
Will Self, pomposity personified.
@kurisensei3 жыл бұрын
I think he's good at getting people talking and chatting in a friendly way with people he has different opinions to
@jackallenproductions3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou Kevin, that was the word I was looking for.
@Ondrified6 жыл бұрын
It seems that Will Self did not have the Self Will to actually be listening to what Niall Ferguson was saying. I agree with the comment that it was painful to watch.
@bambam8596 жыл бұрын
People have a really odd view of things like this. Reading the comments it's like people think they're watching a boxing match with a clear winner and loser. That misunderstands the entire point.
@alexanderthelame84625 жыл бұрын
Beautifully stated.They are both very intelligent individuals-with a lot at stake...
@chuchaichu4 жыл бұрын
Nahhyyy, how do you know people misunderstands the entire point? How should people leave comments then to make you understand that no matter what they write in the comments they probably misunderstand just as much as you do, judging from your comments? P.S. Narcissistic grown men are widely hated cross culture.
@Patrick-vh5nr6 жыл бұрын
Will self is a charmless zombie of a man.
@utubeisshite6 жыл бұрын
Niall is an excellent speaker. Check him out on Sam Harris's podcast if your're a fan.
@pipster18915 жыл бұрын
He's a reactionary.
@benscraftymusings6 ай бұрын
that was beyond uncomfortable. I admire Self in many ways, but in this debate, his entire focus seems to be to antagonise Niall - he may well have some valid critique and room to discuss and debate, but he's so venomous in the way that he talks, I don't know how he expects a productive rapport to emerge, regardless of (dis)agreement. I also wonder whether he just wants the audience to side with him so that he 'wins'
@emilewilmar49196 жыл бұрын
i needed some more will self
@rodolfocarrillo61665 жыл бұрын
Why do you guys hate on Will Self so much? He does a great job at breaking down arguments and placing them in a broader context. He brings tension to a debate, thank you, Will Self.
@peterdavies43066 жыл бұрын
Is Niall Ferguson wearing red trousers? John Finnemore would approve!
@jvincent65482 жыл бұрын
Will Self. A cross between Johnny Rotten, Peter Cook and Blakey from 'On the busses'. He was a bright working class kid whose natural intelligence took him to the glittering spires of Britain's foremost university. But he is always tense and coiled defensively as though at any moment he expects to see a stern finger to be levelled at him with a loud accusation, "You boy, yes you, you don't belong, you are an imposter".
@Whh19786 жыл бұрын
I switched off when Ferguson said there is no difference between an immigrant from Lithuania and one from Libya.
@doronhoward71915 жыл бұрын
He was referring to their looks, race. He then went on to clarify that the OPINIONS associated with each society might be more relevant.
@dannydoran61276 жыл бұрын
Will nearly resisted inciting a squabble. Nevermind. Still a great chat and still a big fan of both men.
@dylanfitzsimmons48346 жыл бұрын
That bellend is an embarrassment! Fair play to Ferguson for rising above it, he showed true class
@tgrushmore6 жыл бұрын
Will Self
@sherlockholmeslives.16056 жыл бұрын
I don't know what to say now without seeming thick.
@m.j.nicholls6 жыл бұрын
This was an entertaining spar. Ferguson was immensely eloquent and interesting.
@joanie60826 жыл бұрын
This Will Self guy--what a small mind.
@tonycarton80546 жыл бұрын
niall ferguson said in his books that he was brought up with a prejudice against Irish catholics in Scotland
@brightonduder4 жыл бұрын
Only 5% of the speaking time went to will self Far too much
@samsue29246 жыл бұрын
I used to like Will Self. Well done Niall for putting up with Will's nonsense.
@InsertNameHere738946 жыл бұрын
The tension is visible.
@DiggingNorway6 жыл бұрын
Observe. A not very smart person to the right, a smart person to the left. Guess who is the most popular among other not so smart people.
@torstrasburg42745 жыл бұрын
@Gayle Elizabeth You misread the comment. Digging'''s smart person is, in fact, Ferguson. (That's why it got 12 Thumbs UP.)
@wenter15433 жыл бұрын
No.
@wenter15433 жыл бұрын
That was a "no" in response to Tor.
@frankmayo94554 жыл бұрын
Despite his own best efforts; Will really brought the best out of Niall in this conversation.
@goodyeoman45344 жыл бұрын
13:30 It's 'absurd' to be concerned about immigration? I feel like this view only ever applies to majority-white countries.I doubt they'd say the same if millions of Anglo-Saxons poured into, say, Syria.
@beatonthedonis6 жыл бұрын
I may not agree with Niall Ferguson in terms of his politics, but this discussion displays the difference between an eminent academic speaking about his area of specialism (in this case history) and academics who bloviate upon subjects that lie outside their area of specialism (I'm looking at you Dawkins, Pinker, Harris, Peterson). This is not to say Ferguson doesn't sometimes bloviate upon subjects outside his areas of expertise.
@Gottenhimfella5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it did occur to me he was ignoring the hippo in the room when he talked of the desecularisation of religion. He entirely failed to even tip a nod to the resurgence since the 1920s of biblical literalism in Christian Fundamentalist and Evangelical circles in the US, formerly a child of the Enlightenment. Given their broadening sphere of influence, to the point where a godless heathen like Trump still has to pretend to genuflect to their theocratic aspirations, and given their suicidal propensity to prosetylise across the planet, welcome or not, they have some claim to be the counterfoil which has inflamed and exacerbated the more recent desecularisation of Islam.
@Gottenhimfella5 жыл бұрын
Niall also makes several recourses to straw-manning Self. For instance, by his hyperbolic reaction to Self accurately and fairly pointing out that Niall had expressed problems with how the US pulled out of Iraq under Obama, which Ferguson responded to as if Self had portrayed him as supporting the US going INTO Iraq.
@albaPhenom4 жыл бұрын
Niall made a great point there at the end regarding Silicon Valley, the emergence of Chinese competitors and the requirement of friends in Washington. This discussion could have done without the pointless ad-homs (from either), it never took the conversation forward at any time or in any way.
@mylesdowley73696 жыл бұрын
What a shame that these two bring out the worst in each other. This would have been far more interesting if they had focused on their arguments rather than insulting each other.
@oo88oo5 жыл бұрын
1:10:25 I think Niall is wrong in saying that people are obviously "better off," and therefore antitrust doesnt apply. Because in his head he's comparing merchandising pre-Amazon and post-Amazon. But he should be considering the more appropriate comparison, of the current pre-broken-up-Amazon to a post-broken-up-Amazon. The comsumer would be much, much better off if Amazon had true competitors, and lots of them.
@herculesvinegar15804 жыл бұрын
I looked at the comments before watching this and upon conclusion I was surprised by just how often Ferguson actually snidely attacks Will Self. Nobody seems to be mentioning that. I thought i would in the interest of fairness. Neither comes out well.
@chrissermoon41562 жыл бұрын
They attack each other throughout. One becomes angry with the other back and forth. Seems to me however, that Will's attacks on Niall are somewhat more personal
@danielj265311 ай бұрын
People in the comments section here are annoyed that Will Self started in this way. Ferguson then joind Will Self, eventually doing the same.
@knearhood86 жыл бұрын
A popular referendum is only a problem if you think that leaving the EU is a bad thing.
@impartialinterest5 жыл бұрын
yep, Niall totally outclasses Will
@romulantelevision6 жыл бұрын
Will Self has the Sherlock Homes coat on : )
@joeolney23565 жыл бұрын
Niall accent is a mix of PR English and small or lower case g Glaswegian. Also Niall commanded that debate and I agreed with some of his points. Despite that fact I'm centre-lefty or social democrat.
@aliofly6 жыл бұрын
this got pretty heated!
@alexandermitchell3183 жыл бұрын
What does he say at 37 minutes? It's 100 year since?
@kevinwilliams36942 жыл бұрын
Saying the economic agreement worked in the Scottish referendum is questionable, the polls had a bigger lead for staying before the campaign than after it.
@gordongordon57055 жыл бұрын
Your wife is beautiful. All I can say is God bless you.
@truckerfromreno6 жыл бұрын
The referendum was risky? What a silly thing to say. The risk that people would the politicians what to do and we'd have democracy.
@1969fata2 жыл бұрын
I have just found this debate. Well, time has proven perfectly who was right.
@iharky5 жыл бұрын
That’s an interesting glaswegian accent you’ve got there, Fergie
@theknowerandtheknown6 жыл бұрын
We need more clear thinking prominent people like Ferguson who can put their point across and be listen to
@nurkkr3 жыл бұрын
Will has a real Snape vibe to him but i mean i love the guy, but Ferguson really hit home
@timmya40003 жыл бұрын
They're both pretentious brainlets.
@tonywalton10525 жыл бұрын
This video has no viewers in Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi
@Spectrescup3 жыл бұрын
the comments about Will Self are baffling. He's here as the intercultor, isn't dogmatic, remains laid back, draws a couple of laughs and isn't unfair to Ferguson. I haven't read any of his fiction for about 20 years but recommend his short stories, which are v.funny.
@tommacneil53946 жыл бұрын
WOW when the gangly fellow accused Ferguson of ad hominem at 32:31 I was sure someone was bound to get their dander up or something!!!!LOL
@Eyesayah6 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed with Ferguson. At the very least he's a stand up guy. He appears enthused about his next project here, an explication of how ideas that supported Hitler went viral. In view of the fact that he considers historical events in terms of prior events that resemble them, perhaps he might widen that inquiry in beginning his work with the question of why viruses go viral.
@theressomethingonthewing19604 жыл бұрын
See the self haters are out in force
@anthonyperry72965 жыл бұрын
Will is better on prescription drugs and alcohol.
@oo88oo5 жыл бұрын
31:45 Will gets stumped. ("What? Me? An elite??" "What was I going to say?")
@mrbigolnuts30415 жыл бұрын
Does Will Self have a pulse?
@LONDONIA20726 жыл бұрын
Me-ow! very entertaining. Like a weird inverted pissing contest, I think Mr Self said . . . har-har
@oo88oo5 жыл бұрын
Niall should accept and embrace the terms "Islamophobe" and "Muslimophobe." It's a matter of being more specific with the definitions, more math-like or science-like, where definitions being strictly specified is absolutely essential to any communicative progress. I'm on Niall's side, but I can see Will's point. This is a definitional problem between these two.
@DesireeLourensArtist6 жыл бұрын
Cringe. Personal jabs - cringe.
@juliusilori6 жыл бұрын
I call that 1 - 0 to Neil Ferguson!!......Woo hoo!!!...😊👏👏👌
@sirlordhenrymortimer66206 жыл бұрын
juliusilori I say 4-0 to Ferguson. Since, he dominated the 4 major topics discussed.
@juliusilori6 жыл бұрын
SIR Lord Henry mortimer you Sir , are RIGHT!!!...4-0 it is 👍
@vitalzab15 жыл бұрын
Its all about possession!
@robinsampson61065 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this discussion. Disagree with those who are very critical of WS here; I think he asked fair questions, and NF gave great answers.