Will there be a new political party in Britain after Brexit?

[@VanlifewithAlan]

I was a member of the Conservative Party and campaigned for it. I will never vote for it again after this deliberate attempt to destroy the UK economy.

[@LabRat6619]

Sensible thinking. Labour isn't a paneca for the people or a bunch of communists like papers invent. 👍

[@romevo100]

Can I use your economic crystal ball for the Lotto results tomorrow please. "But but the bankers and big rich business that gets richer and richer from exploiting foreign cheap labour told me to vote remain, they are never wrong are they"

[@sh0werp0wer]

@@romevo100 Talk about reducing mountains of thorough economic analyses and reports into a ridiculous straw man of your own imagination. Brexit's impact on the UK economy is irrefutable, and is already happening. 1/3 of UK businesses are planning to or have already moved parts of their businesses to remain within the EU. The economic forecast for the upcoming year is the worst since the 2008 recession, and that's *with* a deal. No deal would be a catastrophe. It's not an economic crystal ball, it's thousands of pages of thorough economic analysis performed by both the UK's government and some of the world's leading accounting firms.

[@musictomyears8]

The Tories have betrayed their own ideology, which was about individual freedom, free enterprise, political moderation and inclusion. They have flirted with xenophobia, scapegoated the EU, spread lies about immigration and eventually dragged Britain and themselves into Brexit. Unprepared and tribal, this party is taking us all down with it

[@sh0werp0wer]

@@romevo100 Also, this notion right here is absolutely ridiculous: _""But but the bankers and big rich business that gets richer and richer from exploiting foreign cheap labour told me to vote remain, they are never wrong are they"_ You realise that the only economic argument *for* Brexit is exactly just that? The only "positive" thing to come from Brexit would be FTA with poor, third world countries without labour rights or worker's protections, as opposed to the EU. Literally the *only* thinkable economic reasoning behind supporting Brexit would be if you were to benefit from tariff free trading with a select number of poor, undeveloped countries where you can exploit cheap labour. Isn't that what you've been saying all along? That you want to trade with "emerging economies" (aka dirt poor countries with high percentage growth due to underperformance) instead of the EU with its low growth (again, a lot due to EU economy already performing well)? What that literally entails is: *MORE* cheap labour. *MORE* non-Western immigrants. Congratulations, you've been played.

[@dave161256]

The only position of responsibility that exists in our society that requires no formal qualifications is an MP. Any other position of responsibility that affects the lives of others has competence verified by formal qualifications. Why do we allow people to become MPs without any professional qualification to verify their competence? The only silver lining that I can see in this Brexit mess is that it has clearly shown that our political system is out of date and not fit for purpose. The question is how do we reform our politics so that it does do the job that we need it to?

[@IQneg]

dave evans what formal qualification would you suggest? Whatever, it will further separate our ‘representation’ from those they purport to represent and will consolidate the ‘political elite’ as such. If one accepts a low figure of 60% of ‘unqualified’ people making up the electorate, surely representation can only be achieved by parliament reflecting a similar structure. The problem could be seen more in the fact that a few basic qualifications plus either an irrelevant degree, or a 9-month diploma PPE from Oxford seems to groom one as a politician. I appreciate your point that extreme power seems to be entrusted to people who require no education or ethics but this is democracy in practice.

[@dave161256]

@@IQneg When we elect an MP to represent us in parliament I would like to be confident that he/she is capable of making reasoned decisions on my behalf and not have to simply follow the party whip because the subject matter is to complex for him/her to fully understand. I believe that the job we are expecting our politicians to do today is far more complex than it was 100 years ago but the nature of our parliament the the politicians that occupy it has not.

[@dougfresh1980]

i hope so, because the parties we have got are not here for us

[@sonofsomerset1695]

UKIP is.

[@rayndawg7181]

As long as there are political parties, there will be division and corruption.

[@Tridhos]

Who is US have you taken to speaking for some group of people? I would also ask what part have you ever taken in politics have you ever gone along to some political meeting or are you one of those that sits at home and cannot be bothered to take part but find it easier just to complain.

[@dougfresh1980]

@@Tridhos none of them have our best interest at heart, its all about staying in power, and money!!!

[@philrothwell6858]

The British public want a party to look after Britain and its people, not career politicians who have left school ,gone to university and become a MP with no idea what happens in the real world......

[@malcolm9994]

The Country is screaming out for a realignment of UK political parties. The current system has failed miserably!

[@colinfryett8174]

17.4 million leave voters will change politics in the next election if Brexit is not carried out. leaving on a WTO deal is not a no deal

[@jeangreenfield5993]

We need Proportional Representation !! Let's get it going 🙌

[@andrewuk2683]

If i remember we had a vote on that not so long ago and it was rejected

[@ResoundGuy5]

@@andrewuk2683 Yes we did in 2011 and it was landslide victory to keep First Past the Post..Thank God. Our constitution is not designed for proportional representation

[@gkinlen]

@@ResoundGuy5 Then change it.

[@jeangreenfield5993]

No, that was the European idea of 1st, 2nd, 3rd ranking choice that was rejected. PR is far fairer.

[@Nickle314]

Just different troughers, same outcome.

[@Tridhos]

I have been a life long Labour voter but there is no way I will vote Labour while Corbyn is its leader. I am also very pro European and Corbyn no longer represents my viewpoint.

[@robertbrown1778]

So he wants a new party for Remain MPs because the public have become cynical about politicians - Remain MPs being, by definition, those who want to overturn a referendum result and renegue on their General Election manifesto commitment to honour it. Makes perfect sense.

[@garsm2290]

The poor will get poorer, the old will die off. Brexit is a dead end other than for the deregulators and offshore tax exiles - Banks, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc.

[@austinbeige]

it's sad that this view didn't become the central thrust of the Remain campaign because it's the underlying truth of Brexit.

[@LifeofCharlie19]

Er, the poor are already getting poorer and have been for decades!

[@Mrpsblobsoflowendmung]

Channel 4 really need to sort the Audio production out on these KZbin vids Nearly 12db lower than most other channels

[@LTVideos10]

UKIP in the elections got more votes that most parties but only gained 1 seat so basically millions of voters voices lost. The voting system needs a change

[@garsm2290]

The poor will get poorer, the old will die off. Brexit is a dead end other than for the deregulators and offshore tax exiles - Banks, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc.

[@mhamalambo]

Actually UKIP got 594,068 total votes out of 46,843,896. I don´t understand where you got the idea that UKIP got more votes than most parties.

[@LTVideos10]

Melvin Hamalambo 2015 UKIP got 3.9 million votes and only one seat. They was the 3rd biggest voting parting behind labour. They got more votes than SNP , liberal dem, and Green Party. They actually got 3 times as many votes as SMP and they received 56 seats yet UKIP only gained one seat ...... very bad voting system. Here’s a link to back up my evidence from the bias BBC www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results

[@rodhayward836]

UKIP who were they?

[@mhamalambo]

It is now clear you were referring to the 2015 general elections and I was writing about 2017 general elections

[@MegaRockstar48]

About a sixth of the Tory party, the lib dems and three quarters of the labour party should form a new centre party. The population don't want the old parties any more

[@melthalin3559]

Four new parties: 1. Left wing Labour (momentum, socialists, aspiring communists) 2. Centrists from Labour and Tory 3. ERG / UKIP / for Britain 4. Green Party The remain vote is spread over 1, 2 and 4, the leave vote in 3 (unless 1 goes even further left). Question becomes whether 3 can unite and get out their base, or 1, 2 and 4 will form joint governments.

[@mango4ttwo635]

so create a "new" party from the losers of the old. Brilliant

[@melthalin3559]

@@mango4ttwo635 lol. You don't understand politics.

[@LabRat6619]

Correct, I don't want extremes

[@melthalin3559]

@@LabRat6619too late for that. Should have listened 10-15 years ago.

[@blazzz13]

So long as we have first past the post, these new parties are more likely than not doomed to failure. I am not a fan of UKIP and their politics, but millions of voters for 1 MP is outright ludicrous.

[@JoinTheTemple]

Maybe I missed something but which is the side of "open" values and which is for "closed"? Is closed Remainers and open Leavers? To me it is utterly unclear.

[@garsm2290]

Superficial analysis. That these are former advisors to number 10 explains in part why British political leadership has proved so bad.

[@pauls4708]

the audio was terrible 1 fella blows your eardrums out the "anchor" i coundnt even hear

[@yinka661]

Once a new party is formed despite the uphill battle it should be crucial that NO individual linked to either Tory or Labour should be allowed to infiltrate this new form.

[@Cybernaut551]

Agreed, because Independent voters and worker unions need to have decent support.

[@IANREA]

When an MP does not respect what their constituents voted for, time ro be replaced. There will be a protest vote, a large number of MPs may not have a job, or be selected to represent their party, being deselected prior to next GE. A new independent party who have clear defined policies, none if this debated, and voted on at party level such as Labour.

[@Nickle314]

Wrong question Will their be a new political party if there is NO brexit? Answer is yes. It would be a disaster for the established parties.

[@adamwelch1528]

As cheesed off as I am with Labour's complicity in Brexit and unwillingness to support a people's vote, there is no way I would support a party that is basically the Cameron / Osborne wing of the Tories. The era of neoliberal, corporatist economics, privatisation, deregulation and hacking away at the safety net must end.

[@tomhulme1176]

If brexit has taught us anything it is politicians dont listen to the people. We voted to leave the eu yet most mps want to do a deal where we remain in most of the aspects of the eu we chose to leave.

[@musictomyears8]

Almost half of the people voted to remain. So a compromise such as the UK staying in the Common Market but not the EU would have been an inclusive solution

[@PaulGappyNorris]

Tom Hulme - more importantly it has highlighted just how impotent and incompetent the Government is, and how embarrassingly inept Labour has been as an opposition. Hold on to your hats as the UK is Fucked for the next few years 😐.

[@Elkott]

The only party I have confidence in after the nonsense down south is the SNP

[@Fiddling_while_Rome_burns]

Yes, Scotland should leave Britain. Watching the Darrien Scheme 2 (the SNP) play out will be hilarious. (Scotland will be one of the richest countries in the world, thanks to the oil prices................ Oh yes I forgot oil prices have have halved since the SNP said that.)

[@LabRat6619]

Leave and I will move the 25 miles to cross the border to live.

[@LifeofCharlie19]

By the way I agree Scotland should leave the UK. We English don't want you. We are hostage to your SNP MPs, who should not be in our English Parliament, way over-represented: 50+ MPs for under 5% of the total electorate (2015 election: 56 MPs for only 1.4m votes!) Go!! Now! And have your love affair with Europe, which will destroy you. The EU didn't even want to talk with Sturgeon in 2014. Even they don't want you. In a few years you will be like Greece.

[@carlosandresmunozalatorre4433]

The SNP Is a Anti-British party and I see in the next years how the SNP Will fall because many Will see the true Face of the Fascist party of the SNP....They hate to the English but They are happy with the imoerialism of the EU....

[@LabRat6619]

@bucketsandshims you gotta move and let's politics catch up. Before prices change

[@bigtemperancelithousex9036]

American here- first off that guy can’t be taken serious talking politics with out a Suit 😂 second off I was completely caught off guard when they used the word “killer” & “cleavage” gracefully In a political party convo

[@DianelosGeorgoudis]

Here are main points I have learned from this video: - Two thirds of the British people strongly identify themselves with pro-EU/anti-EU divide, whereas only one third with Tory/Labour divide. Thus Brexit is here to stay; whatever happens in the next weeks, there won’t be a post-Brexit politics for many years to come. I am thinking, Cameron’s referendum meant to keep the Tory party together ended up dividing the British people, and will potentially split the UK itself. - The pro-EU/anti-EU divide is one of different values which basically express themselves as an openness to change and to the wider world or else as a closing-up behind Britain’s walls. This despite many a Brexiteer’s rhetoric, for to close oneself to Europe but open oneself to the world is in fact self-contradictory. I am thinking, the Tory party is the pro-business party but is also the anti-change party, which renders it schizophrenic and out of today’s place and time. - The age of the citizens strongly correlates both with pro-EU/anti-EU and the Labour/Tory divides. The under 45 citizens tend to be pro-European and vote Labour; the over 45 tend to be vote Tory and be Eurosceptics. Which means that history is on the Labour party’s side. I am thinking, instead of fighting to keep the ERG in its fold the Tory leadership should re-engineer and indeed re-focus the party. Their luck of having a Corbyn leading Labour won’t last. - The stresses present in the political structures of Britain may result in the birth of a new pro-EU party especially if a harder Brexit occurs, but most probably Labour will assume that role. I am thinking, Labour’s current leadership, as well as most of the public, misunderstand the European unification project as a pro-big-business project. In fact European unification is a prerequisite for the well-being of the European peoples and for the independence of the European countries in an increasingly polarized world, and indeed for the survival of the European culture. And is a great force for good and stability in the world. These thoughts are also posted in the Brexit Clarity page here facebook.com/BrexitClarity/posts/378534552739960

[@warmachineuk]

A political realignment is required but first past the post stops it, so lots of voters now feel unrepresented. And the huge failure of the AV referendum killed off voting reform. Be afraid as MPs refuse to make hard choices to avoid risk of party split.

[@LabRat6619]

People will shun politics if they can't eat and are looking for an affordable house to live in! What a privileged conversation.

[@borderlands6606]

There isn't currently a socially and economically conservative party. Most Labour voters are more conservative than Tories (the Momentum sideshow notwithstanding). The Conservative Party are liberals of an extreme kind, socially on the left, economically laissez faire on the right. Conservatism has become identified with Libertarianism - which is inherently anti-conservative - or progressive liberalism. Labour voting social conservatives, which was always a massive constituency capable of putting governments in place, is the most disenfranchised of all. Commentators like this wish we didn't exist, or would just go away.

[@terrynoon6168]

If everyone has lost faith in politics and are fed up with both parties what ate you going to do as a new party to make a difference and for people to recognise you as a party who will give the people what they need and will deliver //

[@SergioMoonbeam]

The co-op party currently has 37 MPs. There has been a Co-Op PM this century. I _think_ they are all pro-remain, so couldn't they just assume greater autonomy and invite other remain MPs to join

[@melthalin3559]

There will be a centrist party that takes MP from both labour and the train wreck that is now the tory party. However, if the ERG start a new party, I suspect the entire brexit vote will follow it because UKIP and for Britain are hamstrung by the media.

[@conorgeraghty4178]

The people’s party be good look at China lol

[@MrOrganicus]

What about UKIP and Gerard Batten

[@williedavies9267]

A new party may sound like a good idea, and it probably is but there is an absolute necessity to review the systems and structures of our governance. The recent Hain case, with his misuse of Parliamentary privilege to name Green in the way he did, shows a total lack of democratic accountability within the

[@charlieperkins78]

I see why people hate the 'First Past The Post' system because it doesn't give a fair percentage to the parties whom people vote for. My argument is what's the alternative? If we look at proportional representation in action, Weimar Germany (1918 - 33) albeit one of the most democratic constitutions in history had fundamental instabilities throughout and ultimately led to the rise of the Nazis who wouldn't have received very few seats in early elections and like UKIP in this country likely disappeared. So my question is, if proportional representation has proven to be unsuitable for stability and First Past The Post is unsuitable for democracy, what's the alternative?

[@snowyowel7961]

As long as it is a patriotic party for the people working on behalf of the people .

[@musictomyears8]

Good luck finding one

[@snowyowel7961]

@@fmbmrtjdpcmrtb8030You are entitled to your opinion , Would someone who is patriotic want to give their countrys sovereignty away to a unelected bureaucracy , Who we pay and obey doesn't seem very patriotic to me , Also on Demonstrations waving the EU flag and not our own countrys flag 🇬🇧 just my opinion of course

[@snowyowel7961]

@@fmbmrtjdpcmrtb8030 We already trade with America U.S. goods and services trade with the UK totaled estimated £231.9 billion exports where£ 123.0 billion imports £ 108.9 billion , Goods imports totaled totaled £53 .1 billion goods surplus with the UK was £ 3.3 billion as a single currency U.S. is the largest export market for the UK if you combined together the value of imports and exports America is already UK's second largest export market , plus there is a big world out side of the EU 80% of the world does not trade with the EU we will thrive after some short term disruption and we won't be giving the EU £50 million pounds every single day .

[@snowyowel7961]

@@fmbmrtjdpcmrtb8030 The EU is mainly German run, one day it will be the EU flag will be the mainin Europe if it isn't already, It will be for the European state that the EU are planning it was a German who designed the flag , The anthem was also written by Beethoven the German composer. I could go on but my comment is just my opinion .

[@Cybernaut551]

@@fmbmrtjdpcmrtb8030 Nazis embraces extreme right and anti-human, authoritarian socialism branding.

[@DaDunge]

11:30 You are trusting that labour will change.. but you are mistaken, labour will never change, there are too many hard core social democrats in the party who rejects the open closed dichotomy and will try to ignore it in favour of continuing a class war that people just aren't as interested in any more. Don't get me wrong the super rich still needs to be reigned in but the problem of parties like labour is that they strike against the middle class a lot more than they do against the 0.1% who are the ones who have been exploiting the system for decades now. Any way what you will see instead is that a greater number of young people will feel disenfranchised and ignored in the open/closed dichotomy and this will lead to much more serious unrest than you seems to imagine. Hopefully ending in the downfall of the two party system.

[@barnabas5688]

audio levels all over the shop on this, which makes it pretty difficult to listen to. come on C4, you can do better

[@neilhedley6947]

Vote Monster Raving Looney party

[@cosmic4037]

The leave vote ignored by all parties... is that British democracy today?

[@christianecoughlan7392]

Absolutely agree with the two of you

[@lettertotheeditor6794]

Will someone please start an English National Party and push for an English devolved parliament to be accountable for English legislation before the UK gets torn with half completed federation.. All the newspapers and polls have been telling you this since the late 90's. Even by 2001 only 21% of English people thought that Westminster should be their law making body. Why isn't it done yet? Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all have their regional parliaments, but there is absolutely nowhere for an English voter to register approval or disapproval of government policies. Then you start pushing off even more of that to Brussels. What did you expect to happen when you disenfranchised the electorate?

[@MackORell]

The system clearly isn't working, and the current impasse is proving that. There needs to be two new parties established, a "Leave Party" and a "Remain Party", which would reflect the real division in the country in the 21st century. Are we going to be an independent country with our own culture, history and laws, or are we going to be part of a global, borderless society with "global" laws and practices? Tories vs. Labour belongs to a bygone era when we were still an independent country, where the division was between rich and poor. That no longer applies. Leavers and Remainers come from different income backgrounds. The Conservative Party is not conservative, any more than Labour represents the labouring, low-income class. Labour still desperately bang on about "the Tories", like a worn-out record player on its last legs. The real enemies are (depending on which camp you're in) national independence, or a European-wide (then global) superstate, and the party system needs to reflect this division.

[@Cybernaut551]

Absolutely.

[@UntitledGaming92]

Ive been saying it for 3 years. This will lead to a centrist party made up of members from all parties (apart from skip)

[@TedThomasTT]

keep dreaming

[@ikchannel4555]

Yes we need new party but that must be from working class earning less then 30k

[@stephencornwell9233]

Ah success is judged on earning potential ,wow your names not tusk is it

[@stephencornwell9233]

@HMQ I feel it would be beneficial for you and I to meet up my friend I have much to share with you

[@albertrowe3351]

Channel 4 & radio 4 the most biased channels ever.

[@fwcolb]

These are both highly intelligent, articulate and informed men. But the one thing they have not addressed is whether or not the EU itself will survive the next ten years. The winds of change are blowing through at least a dozen member countries. A lot of people are going to be shocked later this year with the results of the EU elections..National elections in several countries have already shown a shift away from the European center-left parties. The EU reform bloc will increase, perhaps double. And local political parties will continue to move right. By election time the UK will be out of the EU and lining up new trading arrangements worldwide. Within five years, the UK will have convinced the continental EU members either to stay or leave the EU. Nobody knows which way the wind will blow. But I would bet that the UK will not only survive but prosper and other member-states will leave the EU. What these gentlemen have not considered is that UK center-left cohorts may wish to rejoin the EU, but there may be no EU to join. Not if France, Germany, Italy and Poland continue to shift towards nationalist populist parties.

[@jaydee1845]

What it needs is an English inclusive Independence party. an EIParty to respect the four nations of the UK and have an English Parliament that serves English people who want to stay in the EU.

[@stephenfarthing485]

I would be wary of the idea of this notion. I also believe that the only way through is to support the Conservatives as the only pragmatists remaining. I never thought that I'd ever be saying this today. I think that we MUST have a rigid option and that's the only way through. Trust is difficult to regain, but there's no other option available.

[@melthalin3559]

At best the tories have been so incompetent as to have completely screwed up brexit, at worse it looks like a deliberate strategy by a remainer PM and a civil service with no intention of leaving. The tories are dead in the water I think.

[@melthalin3559]

@? But this doesn't seem to be the primary reason that populism is rising across europe, its less about wealth and more about how society is being Irrevocably changed.

[@stephenfarthing485]

I don't think that it is possible to agree. There's only one functional option available to sort it out. And that is in support of the P.M and the negotiated settlement and deal. If it means that I have to put nation first and foremost to do so! Then there's no other option available but to accept the outcome of the choice and respect it. I will always say that we have made a very unfortunate mistake of choice but was forced to accept that as well! The only pragmatic approach to do so is the upholding of the original deal. And if it is necessary. I will join the Conservative Party to support this notion.

[@stephenfarthing485]

And I don't recognize the nonsense of the Labour or Liberal Democrats. That's all for that end!

[@cosminu.4519]

British people think that nationalism and populism are good things. lol ... I think brexit is the least of your problems

[@mattd8725]

It's not just UK but the world. The wealth divide is so great that people have started to notice and wake up. Populism is the chosen method to harness the herd and drive them further into the ditch. People are suckers, they know something is very wrong, but are easily tricked into doing the exact wrong things to fix anything for them.

[@mattd8725]

@richard smith How does preventing national governments from cooperating globally allow you to bring international finance under control? It's almost like you are being told to cheer for the exact opposite thing to what would work.

[@musictomyears8]

Naive nationalism attracts naive voters. Try a sophisticated argument and you are wasting your breath with them

[@petegiant]

Please explain why you think bringing power closer to the populace is a bad thing?

[@alanmcmichael6681]

There is nothing elite about the UK political system

[@thetribalelevator]

There shouldn’t be any political parties. People in government should be allocated certain jobs and that’s it. All it does it create conflict

[@barrystubbs983]

i certainly hope so because this current lot have have shown their true colours and where their loyalties lie during this withdrawl from the dictatorship european union organisation

[@kgs42]

We'll inevitably rejoin but without all the exemptions and the rebates which mean we have the best possible membership deal of all the EU countries. It's an absolute tragedy for the UK and proof a country can have a psychotic breakdown. Quite possibly we will have to accept the euro.

[@the_9ent]

How can such an interesting subject end up being so boring to listen to?

[@williedavies9267]

system we currently operate. The whole Brexit shambles also suggests we need to streamline our decision making and develop governance that is more dynamic and able to solve issues more effectively.

[@richardcope8102]

Excellent. Neither speaker appeared to think that brexit would deliver benefits even to those who voted for it !

[@bevila4753]

We need a new Brexit party in government with the right leader who believe in Brexit who will leave the EU completely and take back control. No more other parties there too many remainers in them.

[@heyzus]

Why are there any parties, do liars require support!

[@Cybernaut551]

Policy needs not political but career ethicists. Imagine the legal possibilities within, pleased.

[@onlygazza]

Few true facts for you : the Uk was divided into 382 regions for the referendum Of those 382 regions 263 voted for brexit and only 119 regions voted remain, regionally the vote share was 68.85% leave and 31.15% remain, so the total winning margin was 37.7% and not 4% that we continually get told by our media 🧐

[@grendelum]

Gazza - yeah, be thankful you *_don’t_* use an *Electoral College* system like we do in America... your math is flawed tho, each region does *_not_* represent the same number of people, hence the use of the popular vote.

[@sacreligious74]

@@grendelum the electoral college gives rural areas the equal voice. So the cities don't hold the power. Rural and urban have different issues. In Canada we have "ridings", which is the same idea and I am sure UK has the same. In regards to the US, trump wanted to get rid of the Electoral Collage pre election and now it's the Democrats. Either way, its unfair for rural areas. In conclusion, high dence population areas can not have full power of the outcome of elections and rural areas have no voting power. Side note, In British Columbia, Canada; we just had a PR referendum and it got voted against 61% for the same reason. Lack Rural voice in the PR proposals put forward.

[@alexandradenton267]

Leave vote: 17410742. 51.9%, Remain vote: 16141241. 48.1%, please explain a 37% lead by leave, with supporting evidence.

[@sacreligious74]

@@alexandradenton267 he did, he went with how the regions voted not popular vote. Lol Like the way your parliament is elected, how regions voted.

[@sacreligious74]

@@alexandradenton267 anyways, the outcome was still over 50% to leave, popular vote.

[@shawnketron1022]

It makes me sick watching how they treat your PM and wish for just one second that your PM would ask for Donald Trump’s help getting a fair negotiation since the EU does not want to work with her constructively. The PM should have President Donald Trump come and help her mediate with the EU. She could say that their are 27 heads of state that she needs him to help her mediate with because she doesn't have the time before brexit and it would be a personal favor to her if he could come and help her mediate for a deal since they are refusing to budge for her so she just wants him to intervene for her. The EU would cave to Donald Trump and if not you would be that much closer to a no deal Brexit you would have successfully wound down the time and you would have distracted them from their own game. They are playing a game with your PM and she needs help. She can use history to back up her request for a mediator. Neville Chamberlin used Mussolini from Italy as a mediator to Hitler at the Munich Conference. It is a pure historical fact mediators are used when you are at an impasse. I can see no better mediator for the UK than my President Donald J. Trump

[@PaulGappyNorris]

Shawn Ketron - Trump? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@shawnketron1022]

@@PaulGappyNorris TRUMP!!!!!!!!!

[@amadfook3r]

I said this back in 2016 before it was a hip and cool thing to say.

[@cun7us]

That was a pretty objective analysis and an interesting discussion. However, they didn't really touch on our ridiculous "first past the post" system, or fact that there's a huge gap in the market for a centrist party. The Conservatives cover some of this ground but people are sick of them now, and Labour have gone too far left. I believe a new party could make waves in the political landscape with all ages and be successful.

[@markshirley01]

I won't support the Labour Party any more if they continue to support Brexit.

[@MrMwhiting]

Leave means leave. Sign the UK open petition for a no deal Brexit 350,491 MBGA

[@kayedal-haddad]

I think there ought to be a centre-right Classical Liberal party!

[@peteradaniel]

Ironic that an advisor to David Cameron is now complaining about first past the post. Lol.

[@allenpayne6893]

Britain needs to dump FPP and change to MMP a modern proportional system that delivers stable coalition govt.

[@glebyakubov8257]

Who's Who volumes on the background. Serious?

[@GStbadmoon]

So they realised no one likes them and they think a new party is the solution? What a load of old tosh. A new party would simply be the same group of people wearing new clothes. How does that change anything?

[@iamthepotato4312]

Hopefully there will be a new party, ideally a party that is for the people, led by a young knowledgeable enthusiastic person that isn't being motivated by self interests of money and power, our current political system and mp's needs rebuilt from the ground up that serves the people and the uk as a whole, a British version of alexandria ocasio-cortez would be a good place to start.

[@CashelOConnolly]

NO!

[@TedThomasTT]

No.

[@siebenq9369]

There will be a new and sucessful party for rejoining the EU 1 year after the transitional periode or a no deal Brexit.

[@alexopinionchannel9783]

There is no one who wants to vote for a Conservative light party they will always vote conservative. Labours left-wing social democracy is winning the argument of ideas. The conservatives have one job stop the poor from getting anything and give socialism for the rich. We need labour to push for rapid reform of our electoral system, PR, a written constitution, abolish the House of Lords, English parliament, federal union,money out of politics and make lobbyists wear body cams when they are involved in politics.

[@irnbriar2983]

Couple of metropolitan luvvies keeping us right. Gimme strength.

[@20thCenturyPox]

You seem very intimidated by people who have a modicum of expertise in any area. Interesting.

[@melthalin3559]

You're disconnected.

[@musictomyears8]

By labelling 'metropolitan' do you close your ears to the actual arguments they are presenting?

[@PaulGappyNorris]

IrnBriar - attack the content, not the people. They all make valid points.

[@borderlands6606]

Social commentators like those in the film are part of the problem. Their think tanks resulted in mainstream British parties being indistinguishable, Cameron, Blair and Clegg were identical politically, socially and educationally. They can't think beyond the neo-liberal filter bubble they inhabit.

[@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time]

Who would vote for it? LOL

[@m.g.9468]

MAYBE UK should adopt the proportional System. Perhaps combined witch the majority constituencies system. Like Germany.

[@richardclark6858]

Very cosy...

[@samturner5725]

No they wont be

[@stuart6412]

It's coming

[@achandler6583]

Clear the threshing floor

[@allansutcliffe648]

We have the liberal party or SDP so we have that choice. I would rather people moved across than form another party, as i will do.if a second referendum does not happen !!

[@Fiddling_while_Rome_burns]

Yes, the LDP tories lite instead of the real thing, some choice.

[@peternicho]

What a load of rubbish they are talking, Andrew and Gavin are so far away from the reality of what Brexit meant to the leave, we understood that it meant leave not leave with any kind of deal just leave. People like Andrew and MP's will have to learn that the public now understand what is happening in the EU and the UK.Caroline Flint for the labour party leader. The largest influence in the future will be social media driven.

[@krisinsaigon]

a centrist party, not labour or the tories, that seeks to bring both together and fights for remain- we have that, it's the lib dems, and people don't vote for it

[@sonofsomerset1695]

People would be voting UKIP if the media actually allowed them on to put their side of the story instead of the propaganda version the media spins of them. All these debates on Brexit and the one party that is all about it is never invited on for comment, yet we get left wing "comedians" invited to give their worthless opinions all the time.

[@krisinsaigon]

it is because the ukip people are quite stupid, and having stupid demagogues in the media would be a problem because there are a lot of fairly thick people in the british public who are liable to be easily manipulated

[@sonofsomerset1695]

The ignorant comments from ? and kris wilkinson are prime examples of media brainwashing, they call UKIP voters stupid and/or racist on no basis in fact while they vote for parties that pass laws against freedom of speech just so they can virtue signal to other closed minded idiots that it somehow makes them superior. Spoiler: it doesn't, it makes you ignorant mugs.

[@albertrowe3351]

We won't need a new one, it will be UKIP, lets have some truth for a change!.

[@musictomyears8]

Truth? hahahaha They are taking you for a ride

[@newclouds544]

@@musictomyears8 and labour and the conservatives aren't? What have we got to lose for voting for something new

[@albertrowe3351]

A new party will just split the available votes allowing the same useless governments we have now to get back into power, that is what you have to lose!.

[@albertrowe3351]

Let's see "The UK independence party" is a vote against Britain!, time to ease back on the whackey backey sunshine.

[@newclouds544]

@@albertrowe3351 so you suggest we vote for the same old useless parties, to stop the same old useless parties? Great!

[@helenamoniqueclarke8135]

The New Progress Party.

[@Cybernaut551]

Basically, history will repeat itself, aka: the usual but different answers.

[@PVflying]

Did anyone tell the guy on the right hand side he was on television? I've never seen such awful posture in anyone. Looked like he thought he was on the sofa watching Friends on Netflix.

[@PaulGappyNorris]

MrCurry - OK, you win. The most pointless comment on youtube today, the second being mine.

[@romevo100]

I will be voting for the new Brexit party for life now, once out the EU I may start voting normal again.

[@JFXBENGALS-The_P0NY-X]

if a hard brexit does`nt happen.......there will be a new party and government . labour and tories are playing with fire!

[@bevnicholson9916]

JFX BENGALS The way it is going to go is this....There will be a loooong extenstion to article 50 in the hopes that the feeling of fire from the Brexiteers will dissipate, then the whole thing will be dropped and we will stay in the EU. I am sure that Teresa has been talking about this strategy with the EU.

[@ikchannel4555]

No I doent mean that, what I wish we need new party which understand better working class issues

[@vincentmckenna281]

Farage has just got he's up and running

[@petergreen2552]

Brexit will eventually lead to Scotland voting to leave the UK and without them in the union,why bother keeping Wales and NI in it? I say let it go. Some of us aren't keen on all that flag waving,last night of the proms,rule Brittania stuff. So dated.

Yes there will be more parties . I am going to start one just to get on the gravey train.😋

[@williedavies9267]

Sorry re disjointed post.

[@Camcolito]

Yeah, the poor party.

[@jameswhiteley6843]

I hope so. Britain is crying out for a nationalist party which actually puts the people first.

[@gullygullible9769]

People or whites ! Peace

[@wiamoaw]

You could join the BNP or the NF? They share many of your views...

[@garsm2290]

And scraps Brexit?

[@grendelum]

I’m sure you’ll appreciate your independence when unemployment is soaring, all goods and services cost more and your economy crumbles... but you’ll be in control (responsible) of that !!

[@AppleAirsoft]

@Jackie Cooksey that is satire right?

[@hpvspeedmachine4183]

a new fascist party will grow from the ashes of brexit