will these ya dystopians become classics? 🪶

[@evilemuempire9550]

I’m always surprised when Booktubers mention each other, it makes it feel like a bookish MCU, love Leonie btw

[@valliyarnl]

I ADORE Leonie so much

[@Jerald_radanian]

Wind's howling

[@valliyarnl]

Yes it is 🐺

[@kobbyquayson]

Took me a while to get it

[@FunFantasyBooks]

I am so surprised on how many of these made it to TV! And although I am not sure any of them will be talked about in 200 years, I definitely see Hunger Games transcending and being in our collective minds for many years to come (I can’t think about Hunger Games without hearing the “tituuu tiruuuu” 🎶)

[@valliyarnl]

Haha I know exactly what you’re talking abt 😅🎶

[@S14N9LS]

I appreciate that your actual ranking is based more on perceived and/or predicted "cultural impact" than your personal opinion(s). You obviously said that was gonna be the case in your disclaimer but it's one thing to say it and another thing entirely to go through with it. Respect.

[@valliyarnl]

Grazie Grazie 🥰

[@Day1PC]

Scythe… read it over a year ago and I still think about often. Nothing I’ve read has captured my mind like that trilogy

[@valliyarnl]

Honestly it’s one of those trilogies that I can’t fathom how a human mind can conceptualise something like that. And that’s why when I met Neal Shusterman I was … it was so insane bc it made sense so much that the person I was speaking to wrote that book. Ik that’s obvious he’s the author, but the way he SPOKE. I had the opportunity to chat w him almost 1on1 for like 30 mins and ahhh I’ll never forget it

[@Johanna_reads]

I lack all expertise in the genre, but I loved hearing your thoughts and rankings! I listened to the Cinder audiobook some years ago and thought it was absolutely delightful! 👠

[@valliyarnl]

so glad you enjoyed Cinder :)

[@marginsofmarisa]

This video is a trip down memory lane 😯 I love The Lunar Chronicles so much! So glad you get it. And thank you for reminding me I need to finish The Giver series and start the Arc of the Scythe series 👀

[@valliyarnl]

START SCYTHE NOW!! So good for autumn as well

[@Kladveig]

I really enjoyed it! I hope you will do a fantasy books ranking, as I really trust your judgment and it's so hard to find a good fantasy book these days ;c I could use some recommendations. BTW I have never heard of Scythe but I will definitely give it a try

[@valliyarnl]

I hope you enjoy it! Remember that it is geared to a younger audience and I think the book progressively get more complex and mature. Book 1 is quite character focused as an intro into the greater themes and book 2 is what really starts pushing everything 😊

[@SpacedOutReads]

I read the Hunger Games for the first time this year and couldn’t believe how much I enjoyed them. I watched the movies after too and quite liked them too. The only other series I read on this list was Maze Runner as a kid and I remember disliking it quite a bit 😅😅

[@valliyarnl]

Same

[@dallasgoodman1989]

Since you enjoy Scythe and Neal Shusterman would love to hear your opinion on the "Unwind" series. That and "The Among the Hidden" series were probably my fave YA dystopias growing up

[@vithehoneybadger2641]

disgardium series by dan sugraionov is a really good dystopian world that i can see our world turning into the book is a bit of a slow burn with the world building where most of the stuff happening to our main character but the dystopian elements creep more and more as the series goes on.

[@NerdLevelRising]

I haven't read a single one of these lol but love the discussion! Very insightful

[@valliyarnl]

Thanks for watching Jake!

[@codeedgaming107]

I’m a huge fan of the Scythe series, epic books

[@yousarrname3051]

Gone reminded me of the Under The Dome

[@Neverending15]

She’s so pretty bro

[@maja.z.pszczola]

Let me just say, when I picked up The Lunar Chronicles, I didn’t know what the plot would be, I just knew the premise of a fairytale retelling. This was mid-COVID so it immediately became way more relatable …

[@valliyarnl]

100%

[@esmayrosalyne]

Girl PREACH on that top tier!!! Also, I never read Divergent but I loved the first movie when that came out (hello Theo James hehehe), so it's got a weird but special place in my heart hahah. Really fun trip down memory lane here 🤪

[@valliyarnl]

Agreed that the movie was wayyyy better than the book! Thanks for watching 💖

[@colinthomas2844]

I’m really curious in 100 years if the entire hunger games trilogy will be considered “classic’s” or just the first book.

[@valliyarnl]

Oooo good point! Idk. Maybe the sequels will be in that liminal space that sequels to classics often are? Not too sure

[@31Herooo31]

Honestly i dont usually read books just listen to audio books but i really like your videos about stuff i know like witcher, and books that have tvshow/movie adaptations. One dystopian future movie/book i was missing here is "Ender's game" i havent read it just watched the movie but i liked the concept and it is among my dystopian future favorites like hunger games.

[@lmv92x]

To be fair, Ender's Game has been a scifi classic for ages, so there's no need to put it in a 'future classic' list. If you ask a bunch of scifi nerds to list their 5 favorite books, most of them will have Ender's Game on their list. I remember liking the movie, I watched it over a decade ago. As for the book, I read it last year and, personally I didn't like it that much. I found the plot way too repetitive, the characters were completely flat. The main character has no weakness and it's 100% impossible to catch him off guard, except that one time when it suits the plot. On the positive side, there were a couple really good twists and the last two chapters are amazing, which is why I'm still probably gonna read the sequel - that last part should have been way more explored; instead, the author decided it was more important for me to sit through the same bully put-down scene over and over and over again, only changing the name of the bully - seeing an a**hole get put in his place can be entertaining if you do it once, maybe twice, but it becomes boring after about the sixth or seventh time. But make no mistake, this is a classic. Unlike me, most of people who read it connect to it deeply, somehow; a lot of other authors have been inspired by it.

[@valliyarnl]

So I think it’s safe to safe Enders Game is a Classic already. (But I also don’t rlly like it…)

[@RDsLibrary]

Say one thing about RDsLibrary, say he knows nothing of 2010s pop culture :) I've heard of only 8 of these and read none, so it was interesting to see which elements enabled the books to reach your top tiers. I'm intrigued by the premise of Scythe and I'm a sucker for AI stories, so I'll have to check it out. It's great that you had such a positive interaction with the author. It will be interesting to see which become classics. I hope they'll be the ones that have something to say about human nature that resonates timelessly, or maybe the ones that capture the imagination and inspire something in readers, though they could just be the books that get adopted for school literature classes. I'd love to see if The Hunger Games becomes a classic in 100 years. Will people then think it reflects the fears of our time and a pessimistic view of society, or will it be an accurate portrayal of everyday life? Maybe a possible classic is as dependent of the future as it is the time it is written? Great to hear your thoughts, as usual.

[@valliyarnl]

Haha the Joe Abercrombie reference! 😅 Yes I’m super curious. Tbh I think The Hunger Games is a safe bet bc of the cultural impact it has had esp on the millennial /gen z generstions. Scythe… I think it would have to get more popular but the trilogy deserves classic status in the future :)

[@Neverending15]

I love scythe!!!! Thunderhead was a 5 star! But I dont think it’s better than THG

[@alexander-the-great-v1u]

The thing about face symmetry that you talked about, no one has perfect symmetric face, if you search it on google the perfect symetric face, it looks horrifying. And also, not simping here, but you're very good looking and cute, don't see any reason why you should be insecure.

[@valliyarnl]

Good point abt the uncanny valley of the „perfectly symmetrical” face online. And thank you for the compliment!

[@jeroenadmiraal8714]

I see that The Giver is substantially older than the other books. It was published way before the Young Adult genre was conceived of by publishers. Now it is retroactively a YA classic. That's interesting. Maybe it was a big inspiration for the other books.

[@valliyarnl]

💯

[@StreamingTribe]

Scythe was on my list. Nice to have such a recommendation from you. My turn: 4 books from Robert Silverberg. 1. Dying Inside 2. The Book of Skulls 3. The World Inside and the last one I read from him 2 years ago. 4. The Stochastic Man. All those books are quite short, on point and they blew my mind in different ways. ;)

[@valliyarnl]

Thank u for the recommendations!

[@Elricsedric]

I don't even like the hunger games that much, I just don't care for it. but it's definitely iconic, I respect for that.

[@valliyarnl]

I respect this attitude. For me it never was a favorite BUT the cultural relevance and impact it has is indisputable

[@alexiasp]

Great vid Wera

[@alexiasp]

Also I agree 100% with Scythe. And I was OBSESSED with Uglies at 13 omg

[@valliyarnl]

Thanks for watching Alexia 💕 💕

[@timritthanondh9614]

To be honest: Never have read any of these, but I still enjoyed you talking about them. If I ever find time again for reading (except the hundreds of books I read to my children) I will try to work through your modern classics list as they seem to be very interesting. Although I consider it a little problematic to read books AFTER having seen the movie adaptions because it rips you of the possibility to create your own image of the characters, so I might be leaving out The hunger games. Nowadays I simply can't read my beloved Lord of the rings without constantly seeing Elija Wood before my inner eye. On the other hand I totally love the image of Saruman with Christopher Lee's face (and voice) so it might depend...

[@valliyarnl]

Try Scythe! Remember the younger intended audience but as a trilogy it works so so well

[@timritthanondh9614]

@@valliyarnl Got no problem with a younger intended audience - last year I read "Räuber Hotzenplotz" part 1 AND 2 in a row to my son, which meant 5 hours reading with six different speaking voices. Maybe we can repeat this with with Scythe. Or maybe crime and punishment.

[@gustafgauffin3675]

Good take on divergent

[@valliyarnl]

🫶🏻

[@KALtheHighstorm117]

New profile pic and name. Who dis? Lol. I'm actually planning to change it again. I'm not too happy with this. I just have to wait another week😂 I haven't read many of these, but I totally agree with you on Scythe and Thunderhead! Best YA books I ever read, and book 2 is a top 5 sci-fi book for me. Haven't read The Toll yet, but I will at some point. I also feel like part of what could make these books classics is universality. Obviously a YA book is mostly targeted at teens, so it's themes will reflect that, but if it can reach the minds and shake the psyche of adults too, it will only increase it's notoriety and worth to future generations. Or if it is a book that can be interpreted in several different ways, as each person will get something else out of it. P.S. You made a huge mistake in your last video. During your little shoutout with the words on the screen, you saud that you trusted me to give some constructive criticism on your channel. Therefore, I officially appoint myself as your Channel Advisor and request that in your next video, a blue walrus floats past in your background with no context whatsoever. Trust me, it will definitely improve your channel's growth 😏

[@RetiredWitcherGeralt]

I've seen Scythe everywhere in my bookstore but I never thought to pick it up because the cover didn't attract me that much. I have no idea Scythe has such an interesting plot behind that cover! 👀 Shall read it soon as I trust you, just because you're a fellow hardcore Witcher fan 😂🐺💜

[@valliyarnl]

Remember it’s for a younger audience but if u do pick it up I hope you love it!!

[@RetiredWitcherGeralt]

@@valliyarnl I do read young adult books too so I'm looking forward to it!

[@qbanboi069]

I was legit just talking about reading some of these books from when I was younger, since I never read them. Funny how relevant this is to me. I'm kind of surprise at the... I guess respectfulness you showed in attempting to talk about the deeper themes in some of these books have; while they're obviously just bad lol Also, putting Divergent in possible classic even after saying you hate it lol, ah Wera..... TIL my jaw muscle is called a masseter.. And correctly calling them tetralogies, kudos for you! Ten points for Gryffindor

[@valliyarnl]

Oh Qban, I’m a Ravenclaw don’t u know? 😉

[@qbanboi069]

@@valliyarnl same lol

[@IndiaTides]

Define classic. The classic should have cultural impact from my perspective.

[@valliyarnl]

Oooo good point. Should’ve gone a bit more into it at the start

[@stevecanada4830]

A lot of good choices here.. I’ve only seen the movies on some of these. It seems to me that they are mostly made popular because of the big screen? Again, I haven’t read them. I will put The Giver on my list because of your recommendation though.. I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on these..👍🏼👍🏼

[@valliyarnl]

I hope you like The Givers. It’s a short and sweet book but it definitely packs a punch:)

[@danmachado246]

Crazy Wera is insecure about her face. Shes so insanely pretty it's wild

[@valliyarnl]

🥹💞

[@kobbyquayson]

Scythe is just on a different level to all the other books (except The Giver) that it's not even fair

[@valliyarnl]

Agreed

[@Kaltar_]

Good day everyone! May you have all the luck and happiness!

[@valliyarnl]

Good day! 👋👋

[@timburbagereads]

I think the main problem with Divergent is that if someone has more than one thing combined, then they would be CONvergent, not DIvergent

[@valliyarnl]

Good point 😂😂 I think the idea that this person that shared the qualities would be divergent from the “normal” person type in the society but nonetheless

[@Young.Supernovas]

As someone who hasn't read any of these books, it seems to me that The Hunger Games will probably be remembered but the rest or most of the rest will not. I could see a future where it is regarded with reverence as Great Literature even though when it came out it was, like, pop YA fiction who's main market was high schoolers. And not that that's a bad thing -- like I say, I haven't read it, but having seen the movies and having seen how much people love it compared with some of these other series, I'm sure it's a well written series compared to most of the rest of these books. That's the impression I have. The rest of the genre, from the outside looking in, feels like a reaction to the success of the Hunger Games. And I'm sure there are other great books that I'm not so aware of having not read any of it that may still be appreciated in decades to come, but I am just saying, I think that's a widespread opinion when it comes to this like brief "teen dystopia" literary movement from when I was a kid.

[@Chance.Dillon]

Seems like you did a great job keeping your bias out of this 😂 I also love the name of the category “story good”. But that’s my caveman brain

[@valliyarnl]

😂

[@NevsBookChannel]

I read the whole Divergent series. Each book got worse as it went on. What really got me was the terrible world building, or rather lack of it, amongst other things like poor plotting and obnoxious characters

[@valliyarnl]

Agreed

[@WilliamsLibrary]

Your second Dystopia books video... I'm going to recommend 'End of Story' by Louise Swanson (pen name for Louise Beech). It was published last year and I reviewed it on my channel. I consider it 'The Handmaid's Tale' meets 'Fahrenheit 451'.

[@valliyarnl]

Oh interesting! Haven’t heard of that one before

[@crd6822]

Not gonna lie, I didn't know The Giver was part of a series. I read the book in 7th grade and I remember it being pretty good. I'll have to check out the other books. Thanks

[@valliyarnl]

Do! Read them back to back if u can

[@MalignantCactus]

I watched Uglies because Joey King is my favorite bad actress. It didn't disappoint.

[@valliyarnl]

I’ll be watching it w my friends soon!

[@czterystaczterdziesciczter1676]

I think I am not a targeted audience for dystopian young adults books, as my impression is that this genre is mostly written by female authors for female readers. However I find interesting the question of which young adult dystopian book is a modern classic. I am not well-read enough in the genre, but from my years in bookstore I remember that some of these series had their 5 minutes of fame and on the bestselling list, but only Suzanne Collins Hunger Games were still read after the prime of their popularity and were known by people who do not read any other dystopian YA. So, Hunger Games, for now, will be the only classic outside the genre. Other interesting thing, what will be the future of the genre. My best guess is on of two scenarios. First, like Western fiction, which peaked in 60’s and 70’s and then decline, occasionally a new book about American Old West will gather some popularity, but it is nothing like the old times. Second, like Tolkien-inspired books. Probably they were thousands works inspired by Tolkien and most 70’s and 80’s ones are forgotten now (except Terry Pratchett), but in the 90’ their series started two authors that are are successful and popular even today, George R.R. Martin and Robert Jordan, and the last one was a big inspiration for Brandon Sanderson, who will, as a current giant of the genre, probably inspire next generation of writers.

[@valliyarnl]

Great insights!

[@Rumham729]

I’ve only read divergent, hunger games, the giver, and the uglies lol. Agree with your rankings

[@valliyarnl]

Thank you! 🫶🏻

[@TomOrange]

Great video! I totally agree with the three you put in the top tier. I do wonder if the sequel books to Scythe could hurt it? Ive heard a lot of negative thoughts on the next two especially the last book. Ive not read them so I dont have an opinion on them.

[@valliyarnl]

That’s insane and whoever told u that is wrong. Thunderhead is miles better than the first one. And while I do think book 3 is the weakest it is also the most ambitious and philosophical. It is a logical branching out from the consequences of book 2. And the ending is beautiful

[@MrRosebeing]

1984 already is. I don't have much time to write as the clock has already struck 13. Imagine if I'd got that wrong and I'd said 1 o'clock.

[@valliyarnl]

Ik would’ve been soooo embarrassing;) And yeah 1984 already is

[@Rach.nooksbooks]

I've never heard of the giver 🙊

[@13loodbanex]

First comment within 10s of vid: I spy your copy of McCarthy's The Passenger. Got me looking up that cover. Now I am curious what your copy of Stella Maris looks like!

[@valliyarnl]

I ordered it to my local bookstore and I should get it this week. Will post it on instagram^

[@mynes84]

No red rising?

[@Elricsedric]

Shouldn't these be judged on the quality of story and writing more than if they have a critique or not, because thats the most important thing and what people remember imo at least. Critiques don't make classics

[@valliyarnl]

Fair enough!

[@Mightyjordy]

Im suddenly very insecure about my asymmetrical muscle mass, what have you done??? Jk great tier list, though I have a hard time believing anyone will be talking about Divergent in 50 years since i completely forgot it existed until you brought it up 😂

[@valliyarnl]

😂😂😂 Oh Jordy that elicited a little laugh from me :) Abt divergent: that’s why I said potential! It’s honestly such an interesting case study going from the grip it had on young minds to how it’s momentum fizzled out

[@Ghbhubghb]

U know what? I kinda like mean Wera 😂😂😂

[@IndiaTides]

By your comment, I guess you like Wera

[@valliyarnl]

😂😂

[@3dketchup874]

The Uglies seems to be all over my social media today 😂

[@Penigale]

I see it all the time too. But only when I turn off the screen 😂

[@valliyarnl]

Oh my god I’m speechless 💀

[@OpilKuS]

What do you think of the book univers game of thrones made by George Martin do you read it and if you alredy have do you like his style or not ?

[@valliyarnl]

Haven’t read it yet! Waiting for Winds of Winter

[@puxtbuck6731]

Do people enjoy reading about love triangles? I feel like there are so many in this genre and it’s just an automatic annoyance for me. Jane Austen wrote a lot of those too but.. a lot of them are kind of a main feature of her stories and these are just terrible melodrama.

[@puxtbuck6731]

This also just isn’t my genre but my niece and nephew are wanting me to read some of these and my brain is just resisting so heavily lol

[@improvizor]

You have imperfections? Anyway, aside from having heard of The Hunger Games, I have never even heard of any of these books. I guess I'm not into dystopian literature. Makes sense. I never cared for 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Animal Farm etc.

[@valliyarnl]

Fair enough we all like different genres! And these are the ya dystopians that were wayyyy more popular in the kid 2010s

[@Idkhowww]

Your hair is hairing wow

[@valliyarnl]

Awww thank u 💋

[@Keram-io8hv]

Don't read Fourth Wing, unless you have guilty pleassure in TikTok books like me

[@valliyarnl]

Don’t get me wrong, I loooooove a guilty pleasure book but idk atm I’m not too interested in Fourth Wing haha. Maybe I’ll binge it when all the books are out? Idk

[@DildoDaggins69]

Because you didn't capitalize "YA", I read the title in an Australian accent.

[@valliyarnl]

😂

[@uberwafel1]

Fajny golf

[@valliyarnl]

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