Will This Cause Comic Prices to Crash?!! CGC 9.9 Prescreen 😮

[@edwingeisslerjr.6371]

Kind of crazy for them to say they were not looking for 9.9 and 10s even though we were paying a grading service/fee.

[@breakbeatz309]

This! I shouldn’t have to tell CGC that I think my book is a 9.9 for it to be graded properly.

[@geoffn8963]

I couldn't believe he actually admitted that. A 9.8 prescreen should still be looking for 9.9 and 10s. Just like a 9.6 prescreen can get you back 9.8s. Total market manipulation. Now a 9.9 prescreen is just a new cash grab to have people CPR 9.8s. Probably will be used to cover the revenue drop from a drop in reholder submissions when people get scared about the Senior grader looking over their books and fearing a grade drop.

[@bat2275]

So CGC admits there might be some 9.9 in those 9.8 grades they have given out which basically means they admit the graded it wrong in the first place.

[@BoxCatKeys]

Grading is and always will be Subjective. Every time a book is sent to cgc, the submitter acknowledges this fact. If there’s anything to be had here, it’s that the difference between 9.8 and 9.9 is easier to detect now. If we wanted the same, accurate result 100% of the time, we’d advocate more for AI. Instead people waste time on the theoretical because they don’t do well with change. Edit: I don’t dismiss the possibility that they might be moving the goal posts either. We’ll just have to wait and see.

[@MarcSpectorComics]

Remember in the guarantee CGC only has 2. The book is authentic and it's graded by 2 individuals. Nothing ever mentions grade guarantee, meaning grading by two individuals that one day may be different grade by two individuals a different day. grading is subjective but at the end of the day it's more beneficial for CGC bc the likelihood of getting that 9.9 is still extremely low. Just CGC making more money on our expense lol

[@samkirkland5606]

Exactly - this is so f’ed up. There should not be any situation where they take a book out of the case and upgrades it without reimbursing someone for them not doing their job the first time.

[@Supertomscustoms]

This is why I never understood why some 9.8s were allowed spine ticks while other books with no perceivable flaws also got 9.8s. They’re not equal yet both demand the same inflated market price.

[@backroom12]

Gotta remember , CGC doesn’t care about your money or your drop in values in your books . They care about their money .

[@JiveTrkey]

"There might be some 9.9s in there" completely discredits their grading dependability. Either you can recognise a 9.9 when it's presented to you or the distinction isn't real.

[@michaelcarmen3044]

THIS.

[@jEdi_bUddhA_YOGi]

Why does this seem as if it were planned all along? Never send out 9.8, then, hope they resubmit them for a chance at a 9.9 later on in the future? Sounds good for business. Sounds diabolically supervillinous, & rather scandalous I might at.

[@thecomickeeper5127]

Couldn't agree more. I sent in a beautiful hulk 181 that came back an 8.0 . I felt like it was graded low and I felt like I was being suckered into resubbing it. I sent it to cbcs and it came back a 9.0. Say what u will about the differences with the two , I think something is afoot with cgc

[@geoffn8963]

2 years after they start the 9.9 prescreen they will introduce the 10 pre-screen to put more more $$$ in the coffers.

[@etrx87]

Next step is probably they will introduce a UV-resistant holder in the coming years... imagine the number of re-holders at 20/50$ a piece 💀

[@dlv0187]

I hope so because prices between a 9.4 and a 9.8 is totally ridiculous. Actually, prices for slabbed books are crazy all the way around.

[@consumetheliving]

The art of diversion, get people talking about something else so the current issue goes away. Also CGC is a business, modern 9.8's are worth nothing and business is probably slowing down from the boom. Gotta keep books coming in some how.

[@Klung1]

Smells like a CGC cash grab. Not for me.

[@jEdi_bUddhA_YOGi]

My thoughts exactly. & it was planned from the start.

[@vinnytompkins6898]

​@illuminaticomics2253 No its a money grab that benefits them and hurts other collectors and is bad practice in hobby. What they really are saying is we might have been wrong and if you pay and resubmit the book we will take time to reexamine it and give it correct grade. Yet that was the main reason book was sent in for in first place. Its a money scam and collectors need to push back at cgc to not abuse the hobby or those in it that spend money for service.

[@matthewmiller7432]

This is the one thing that might get me to switch to CBCS. At least it'll stay consistent.

[@jotcollectibles]

I will add actual evidence of being denied 9.9, or 10s. I sent an unopened case of BRZRKR #1 CVR A to CGC, UNOPENED! I received it, packaged it in a bigger box with padding! That’s 120 books, I sent it to CGC. What I got back was about 107, 9.8s and a justified mix of 9.0 and up! It was close to 3k, but straight from the printing press and not a single 9.9 or 10?!?

[@MalevolentBite]

You paid just to get played lol. Now those 9.8 values will tank.

[@CosmicTrekker]

This is pure comedy. Send out a bunch of 9.8s and now have them send them back hoping for a 9.9. Luckily I don't collect 9.8s exclusively or anything, and CGC was already starting to get on my nerves, but I recently got a golden age CGC-graded comic book that wasn't even what was on the label in the case. I need to take a break. 🤣

[@skypatrol716]

Well how do you expect CGC Is gonna cover their loss from the scamagedon?

[@jabezcreed]

The big threat to value is in the new release books that people build entire web businesses from. They create custom covers and prescreen them all for 9.8 to get slabs to sell themselves.

[@geoffn8963]

I agree that modern 9.8 and 9.9 could take a big hit. This is just CGC creating a new revenue stream. And once they start it they will have to start giving them out with some consistency or the revenue stream will dry up if no one is getting 9.9s on the prescreen. A hint that they are already ramping up is I saw BrysComics show off a couple hundred 9.9s (and a bunch of 10s) he got on his latest retailer exclusive for his Mystery Box. On his previous retailer exclusives he only had a handful of 9.9s and 10s.

[@nonphenomenaut8302]

I'm going to hold out for when they announce 10.1s....

[@ronhobbs463]

How can a 10.0 have prints? The cover is not bone white. From the Mile High 2 collection. Chuck Rozanski.

[@terraxcell]

It’s funny that this might happen. I’ve never seen so many 9.9s and 10s popping up prior to Covid. To me 9.8 was the pedestal with very rare circumstances. I have plenty of 9.8s that I couldn’t find a single flaw but I also always accepted a 9.8 as the equivalent of a 10. This would definitely impact prices if CGC does this.

[@thecomickeeper5127]

I know we all use or have useful cgc before, but do we honestly believe that in the back of our minds that cgc is not a total sham? There has never been any transparency in the differences between 9.8, 9.9 and 10s? That award was just so wack too. Not good optics

[@fromjuan2]

The way they accepted that award and begged to be friends after was so funny! They got played by Matt…

[@jeffstanley6013]

But there can't be any transparency between 9.8, 9.9 and 10. Otherwise, every customer would be calling after receiving every submission to argue the grades. CGC would have to double their employee headcount to handle the call volume.

[@The9.9Newsstand]

Lots to think about for sure! And thank you!!

[@jballard7013]

This will help fix all the confusion of 9.8s vs 9.9s and 10s, even though it will be painful in the short-term. Better to fix it now then wait though.

[@zachbrobst9473]

I thought we all just agreed that grading wasnt particularly consistent from age to age. Why move the goalposts? With the reholder scandal creating custmoer mistrust youd think now would be the worst possible time to alienate another segment of their customers

[@robbin8300]

Are they going to pre-screen through the slab? Who is going to crack a 9.8 which could potentially end up being a 9.6 or less?

[@fromjuan2]

Yeah It sounded like a pre screen through the slab. There will definitely be cost built in to re-slab the 9.8. They are going to make a ton of new revenue by doing this.

[@AutomaticComics]

In the interview he said it would probably be holdered books.

[@comicpadre8603]

Y'all are forgetting they also have a 10. When will we start seeing those?

[@mestizo3113]

So, going off of how they do the 9.8 pre-screening, if it's not a 9.9, that means CGC will charge you an additional fee for each book that isn't a 9.9 grade. This new pre-screening service doesn't mean 9.9's are gonna flood the census now. I think its just a slick way for CGC to make more money by baiting certain groups of the comic community and exploiting their greedy nature.

[@tcnkal]

If they make the move to pre-screen 9.9s, they will devalue 9.8s and CGC will be finished. You don’t attack a customer’s pocket book and expect to survive.

[@davedimaria9488]

This issue speaks to the integrity of CGC and their grading process. They are now admitting they have not done the job their customers paid for. Along the same line it has been my contention that graders routinely give comics a 9.8 grade when they are 9.9 (or 10) based on the fact that the book has been in the hands of at least two, sometimes three, graders and not a single flaw noted in the Grader's Notes. I am hard pressed to find Grader Notes on any 9.8. This applies to CBCS as well. How can 2 or 3 graders not find a single flaw to note that justifies a grade drop from 10? If they find one spine tick then why didn't they take 10 seconds to type "one spine tick"? It's highly unusual to find a note on any 9.8 comic book. Either they aren't doing their job by not making Notes when they find a flaw that justifies the grade, or they aren't doing their job by not scrutinizing the books properly and just slap 9.8 on it and call it a day. 00

[@jabezcreed]

It's all so funny. And coincidentally tossed out in an interview that spun out of another scandal.

[@BoxCatKeys]

If I had a New Mutants 98 in 9.9, I’d be lining up potential buyers, but for the same reason, I do not see CGC moving forward with this. I’d like to think they’re responsible enough not to implement market-damaging strategies such as this. It’s a shame we didn’t get it earlier, but as you suggested, we are well past the point of no return.

[@BoxCatKeys]

@CharlesCharles-bb6qx All I take from this is that you’re in strong disbelief when it comes to there being genuine collectors of 9.9 graded copies of this book. You’re welcome to your opinions, but beyond that I don’t know what your point is. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I don’t have one nor do I have proof to support my take nor do I care. This is hardly a topic worth getting worked up over 🥴

[@ddougherty8266]

Interesting stuff, that's for sure. However - let's suppose I had all 100 of the CGC 9.8's of a book that exist, and I cracked them, and resubmitted them with a 9.9 Prescreen... and I got back, I don't know.. TEN 9.9's? Okay, so, I'd also get back 90 raw books. Right? Here's would reveal the total, BS that CGC grades are... IF I sent those 90 raw books in with a 9.8 pre-screen... how much do you want to bet that I'd be lucky if 60 of them came back as 9.8? And I'd get 30 of them back as raw? OR, suppose I just sent all 90 without the 9.8 Prescreen, - I bet I'd get about 15 9.4's, 15 9.6's, maybe 58 9.8's and a couple of 9.9's. Now, mind you ALL 100 of these books had been 9.8 - but it's meaningless... CGC grades are not consistent nor are they reliable from one submission of the same book to the next. And the really sad thing... if I cracked the 58 9.8's that I did get back that time, and re-submitted THEM...... 5 would come back as 9.4's and, 15 would come back as 9.6, and 40 would come back as 9.8, and maybe one or two of them might get the 9.9. There is NO consistent application of the CGC's so-called grading standards - Grades between 9.4 and 9.9 are the result of the luck of the draw... which is why it's craaaazy to pay more for tiny increases in arbitrary CGC grades.

[@michaeltan4204]

The prescreen cgc 9.9 really depends on how strict cgc will grade. If they generously give out 9.9 to many modern prescreen submissions then the prices will plummet significantly. But I do believe there is a higher percentage of 9.9 to 10.0 for modern comics than what the current census reflects.

[@atown4434]

True, but they aren't doing it for free

[@backroom12]

It’s more then likely programmed in the graders minds to just slap a 9.8 on it then go have a donut in the break room lol

[@edwingeisslerjr.6371]

They only should do that with ultra modern

[@schlengerbrian4342]

I have been surprised I have not received any 9.9 or 10's in the past couple yrars for brand new books I press as in the early days I was getting them at the shows. Now I focus on bronze age newsstands that have no 9.8's or very low census. 🤔✌

[@TK_junction]

Interesting perspective. Would you then think (if this were to actually happen/be offered) that people would start to buy those "ultra modern" 9.8 copies in an attempt to resubmit? What would that do to current prices on the 9.8 grades? I also feel some may be forgetting that CGC is a business, so they need to offer services and generate revenue.

[@edwingeisslerjr.6371]

Then a year passes, and then there’s 10 and gem mint 10s. Like they’re doing with cards already

[@johnbts9216]

Depends on the volume.

[@davidkennedy6612]

Lets face it, not a good idea. The usual corporate company squeezing more money out if people.

[@brute_nm]

Of the 10.25M total books on the census, 39% is 9.8s, 0.3% 9.9s, and 0.1% 10.0s

[@DukeCityExplorer]

At this point, I would not be surprised if there was a lot of bribery going on at CGC to get some of those books at a 9.9 or even a gem 10...

[@etrx87]

I have a feeling CGC still won't be handing out 9.9s and 10s all that easily and that the 9.9 pre-screen is just a smart business move -- they'll be making bank on the thousands and thousands of 9$ rejection fees they'll be handing out. However, it is disturbing to me that Matt Nelson seems to have indirectly acknowledged what we all already knew; that they were grading out of 9.8, not out of 10, excluding those early first few years of the company like you mentioned

[@jamisonlm3]

I think the current population of >9.8 books will be hit the hardest. Most likely, it'll create an even more expensive grade tier like the price difference between a 9.6 and 9.8. Then again, maybe the price per grade could shift downwards as the market adjusts and more >9.8 books are found? Suddenly, a 9.8 is going for what a 9.6 or even a 9.4 used to go for. Maybe the more >9.8 books out there, the less people will focus on the 9.8 grade? It might be wishful thinking though, but I do think the perceived pennacle of condition that the 9.8 is thought to be will change. Whatever happens, it'll be interesting to see.

[@jeffschmitt6977]

Lol, so what do we do when hit with a double Whammy? Meaning all the CGC books that have the untamperable tamperable cases and added to 9.8s dropping cause of 9.9s. Should I drop ever having a book graded by CGC ever again? Thats what the fundimentals are now telling me!

[@jorgedacunha2676]

I think anything above a 9 is a thumb suck. Just keep the same half point increments. 9.0, 9.5, 10,0. Boom. Problem solved.

[@coldwarcomics8823]

I think giving 9.8s to modern comics was the quick and dirty and lazy way to grade massive numbers of modern-age books during the crazy recent years when CGC was so back-logged with grading. Actually looking CAREFULLY at the books (to see if any were 9.9 or 10.0) takes much more time and effort which they could not afford to do.

[@Myron2K12]

They’re getting creative with how to take more of our money. They should focus more on improving their quality control and slab design first. This isn’t the time to be introducing new services that just cause more trouble lol.

[@mattargersinger913]

Great video as usual, Ryan. Gotta ask, is that a true ASM #1 9.4 on your shelf or a GR reprint? Even if it's the latter, a nice get!

[@AutomaticComics]

Definitely a GRR lol

[@mikegonzalez503]

Sounds like cgc is trying to drum up business by having a massive amount of books regraded. Works out well for them. Seriously this is why the cgc game is so distasteful to me.

[@furbl4345]

Sell all your 9.9's now before the floodgate of the new 9.9's opens.

[@fromjuan2]

Most definitely. They want everyone to send back in their 9.8 to get graded for 9.9. More grading more money… LOL

[@DocReasonable]

Maybe they'll start grading everything as a 9.9 for the next few months, as a gesture of goodwill after their reholdering debacle.

[@brickhunter9537]

Give it a few years and they will do pre screen 10 and they will say when they were grading they were looking for 9.9 but not 10 🙄

[@wheelhouse3221]

Just want them to fix the slabs. I don’t care about the grade of a comic. But I am worried about someone selling fakes in slabs that had real ones in them.

[@chi-tn]

Never understood 1.8

[@comicjourney]

Have you considered a lot of people will be sending there books in, paying for the service and still get denied the 9.9? I just have a feeling they are still not going to hand it out so easily and creates another source of revenue from all the collectors second guessing their grades

[@AutomaticComics]

If they don’t give 9.9s where they’re deserved, there’s no value in the service and no one would use it. They will give 9.9s where they are deserved.

[@comicjourney]

@@AutomaticComics We'll have to wait and see how this develops

[@MicCheque1]

I for one love the idea as I feel some of my ultra modern 9.8’s could be serious 9.9 contenders… if any come back 9.9, I would be the first to send it back for a 10 pre screen. Love it, love it… LOVE IT!

[@FlipNPageZ]

CGC is giving an opportunity for another grading company. Which one take the helm?

[@ThatsWhatSheSaidSportsCards]

How stupid are we as a community people? We already have a 9.9 pre screen, it is called a 9.8 pre screen. And for Matt Nelson to hint about bringing to market a 9.9 pre screen only shows CGC’s willingness to con the ignorant collecting community. I mean how stupid do they think we are? Just for arguments saks let’s give Mr. Nelson the benefit of the doubt and pretend he and CGC only have virtuous intentions and he was thinking that if you send us more money for a pre screen then we are willing to look over your book graded or not in greater detail and then maybe we can justify a 9.9 or 10. Isn’t that what we pay for when submitting books in the first place pre screened or not?? Sounds a lot like a money grab or at the very least a taxing of the stupid. Come on fellow collectors, let’s call BS when we see it and strive to do better. We should be educating ignorance and stupidity not taxing it.

[@SwampThingNJ]

A reckoning is coming for those who bought the grade and not the book

[@MalevolentBite]

Every slab book is for the GRADE lol 😆. You always was buying the grade first , the book secound.

[@718comics]

Well Cgc wants to generate money so the 9.9 prescreen does that. It’s just greed

[@Ready4Wednesday]

Why would anyone expect a company to do what you pay them to do? The Ccomic community is asking too much of cgc.

[@michaelcarmen3044]

When he said that proper attention was what is keeping a 9.8 from being a 9.9 is a god damn JOKE. They get paid to pay attention to books and saying they aren’t is laughable. So glad I don’t need someone’s opinion for my PC books.

[@davedimaria9488]

Neither CGC nor CBCS follow their stated practice. There is no way for a customer to know for sure their comics are legitimately not 9.9 or 10 if they don't identify the rationale for the grade received. The company has no problem taking your money to provide a service. But they don't seem to mind not providing that service to the standard they claim. "Grader Notes describe problems, indicate the condition of the interior pages, and help explain why a collectible received the grade it did." (CGC website) “The grader will ... take notes of any defects that could affect the books grade or will note any defect that may be hidden or hard to see." (CBCS website

[@DocReasonable]

If it's a 9.9 it'll be a 9.2 after CGC's done handling it.

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

Sidebar: You’re all grossly misrepresenting what Matt Nelson said. What he said was that some of those Ultimate Fallouts could be pressed to a 9.9. He was speaking in context of 9.9 Newstand’s comments, which Swagglehause correctly identified. He was not saying that some of the graded books ARE 9.9s. He’s saying that some of them couple be pressed and cleaned and become 9.9s.

[@AutomaticComics]

He didn’t say pressed or cleaned once in that segment. Also it’s laughable to say those books weren’t already pressed and cleaned to get a 9.8. Almost every UF4 has to be pressed to get a 9.8 because of the indent from the polybag.

[@tikertiker2]

I think you are misunderstanding this 9.9 prescreen. How would it be possible for people to crack their 9.8s and resubmit for a prescreen, and if it doesn’t get it, then what, will be returned to them raw with the rejection fee? That’s not this works. The 9.9 prescreen is specifically created to cater to those shops who order the 3k issues with their names on the back (brys, big time collectibles, comic Tom, etc). Now they can get exactly what they want out of their exclusives in terms of grades to sell. I don’t see how this impacts already graded comics or older comics

[@AutomaticComics]

If you watch the interview with Matt Nelson, that is not what he says. This is not implemented yet. This has nothing to do with the 9.9s shops currently get with their exclusives.

[@tikertiker2]

@@AutomaticComicsI did see the full interview before watching your video. I agree completely about the potential misses in 9.9s in the past and numbers just doesn’t make sense how there can be 4500 modern 9.8s but no 9.9s. Just don’t think a prescreen for purpose of resubmitting a slab works. It’s just not practical to resubmit a 9.8 UF4 to prescreen a 9.9. If they can look at it through the slab then yes it would work, but they would never do that, they need the comic raw in order to grade it or an authorized crack and regrade.

[@primusucks_]

raw for the win!

[@MalevolentBite]

Raw most definitely for the win.

[@lowratehitman]

Why I don't mind having a basic 9.0 grade.

[@oneslickdude8835]

This sounds like a CGC scam to offset the potential loses from the Re-holdering Debacle, not a good time to pull this as this could negatively impact CGC's reputation even more than what has happened so far this year. Especially if it negatively affects current book values.

[@technoviking4131]

Grading a 9.9 single decimal point (vs 9.8) is dumb. Paying a large markup for this single decimal point change is also dumb. Dealers will try, but collectors should deny!

[@wayneweidman1543]

Sell your 9.8’s and 9.9’s now.

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

9.6 9.8 9.9 10 is a scam!

[@edowings2211]

here we go just like when they said they would never have a ten grade just keep moving that money goal post, I'm just going to start collecting only .5 books cheaper and more fun.

[@Dark_Vengeance]

Another revenue stream of people trying to bump their 9.8s…this is a bigger red flag of the company IMO because it affects EVERYONE who owns a 9.8 cgc slab…are they trying to ruin themselves?

[@tazblazing]

lmao I don’t think getting 9.9 is like 9.8 that easy ..!!! Maybe 2018 and up on comic books maybe luck of getting 9.9 .. already very difficult getting 9.8 … CGC or any 3rd grading company’s all of the sudden graded 9.9 is common now not gonna happen.. great video thou

[@FlipNPageZ]

If it comes across a “playing dirty” scam

[@kyleroussel]

If I were the owner of that 9.9 copy of New Mutants 98, I would be thinking very hard right now about selling it. Call me chicken s*it but the potential of having the value of my 40k book murdered in broad daylight might get me to sell it now, even if I don't get full 40k value for it. Though with this tease from Matt Nelson, I can't imagine the owner would get anywhere near 40k for the book. Still, I'd rather get 15k or 20k than under 10k.

[@vinnytompkins6898]

The problem with a monopoly rears its ugly head yet again. Slow returns , scams and now money grabs scenarios. Its becoming a trend to submitt anything collectable is a scam and unless your a seller keep it raw and dont waste the money. Raw and good kept items seem to sell a lot faster and shop owners have told me they would rather buy a gem book ungraded more cause they can submit and resell to recoupe money invested.

[@jonbreece6688]

I think if I squint hard enough I could get a 9.9

[@theohoekstra1244]

Doesn't every book start at 10 and drops as defects are identified? I have one 9.9, and one 10 out of about 150 slabs. Both were pre-orders and only a fraction of the submission.

[@DocReasonable]

Collectors pay thousands of dollars or more for the grading opinions of CGC's "expert" staff. Shouldn't those graders be above reproach and technically better at grading than any noob off the street?

[@MakeRoomCollectibles]

Cash grab. They will make bank off people resubmitting their 9.8 hoping for 9.9.

[@Jamie-xi8tg]

Now everyone will send there 9.8 in to be regraded and they double there money for regrading. Smart business move too make millions , great job to who owns cgc. There too make money not lose money

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

Also, I highly doubt anyone would resubmit a 9.8 to try and get a 9.9. They could easily get downgraded to a 9.6 just via the grading process. This would likely only impact new submissions of (very) modern books. Again, though, I don’t think 9.9 pre screen will ever happen .

[@AutomaticComics]

I disagree. I think this is going to be very widely used if/when it’s introduced.

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

@@AutomaticComics The only insider info I’ve heard on this floated idea is that it would be exclusively for shops. Places with thousands of subs with books straight from the printer to CGC. So it wouldn’t even be able to be utilized in the way you’re describing. But it’s not going to happen either way IMO.

[@AutomaticComics]

@@WhatDoesEvilMean the President of CGC said it on that interview. This isn’t some rumor. It inside info. It’s literally the president of the company saying it.

[@pcorey182]

It's called deflection he says that so people stop talking about the reholder scam if they started doing pre-screen 9.9 they would lose all credibility with people that collect high grade 9.8 books already it would ruin the whole Market of the value of 9.8 books at that point I would be done with cgc also

[@vinnytompkins6898]

​well glad to hear its coming from him still invokes the idea to not send in to them keep book raw and protected and hold til price rises and sell raw. Cgc having had recent scam and grades not being accurate shows flaws. I myself see way to many issues with them right now to even want to do buisness with them. Time to step away and sit with collection and wait to see how cgc screws with grades and market.

[@SwampThingNJ]

Because a 9.9 and 10 are artifacts created by CGC for a cash grab/hype.

[@kwonli6890]

I THINK CGC IS JUST TRY TO GENERATE MORE MONEY, EVEN WE DO PRE-SCREEN 9.8 WE SEE MASSIVE OF REJECTED BOOKS, FORGET ABOUT 9.9 OR 10.0 , THEY WILL BE ALMOST 100% REJECTED, AND YOU DO THE MATH 9 DOLLARS A BOOK.

[@gregorychiasson7739]

Yeah and we are supposed to trust CGC…

[@DavidClark-vu3dw]

As many 9.8s I've seen in the last year that look 9.4 then show me a 9.9 and I'll show you why it's not. Truely though, here's the dilemma, there's no graders notes on 9.8 graded books! Books that graded 9.6 don't have notes either. Those Edgar Church books have markings/writing on the books from Church himself, I believe/heard.

[@AutomaticComics]

Golden age doesn’t grade the same as other ages. I’ve said this many times.

[@DavidClark-vu3dw]

@@AutomaticComics actually I wasn't referring to golden age grades but Edgar Church markings. Reread. 🤪

[@hungpham9566]

Why are we putting up with cgc. The best grading company for comics is mediocre at best. When you send in a book to get graded there should always be grader notes. You paid for that service. Why are they not owning up to dropping your books or putting a spine tic or finger prints on your comic while grading. Would you continue to see doctors , electricians,and mechanics who don't tell what is wrong?

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

Eh. Saying we’re THINKING about 9.9 presxreening in corporate speak that is nowhere near saying we’re GOING to do it. It’s likely he was just saying various ideas people have had. People like presreening. It makes sense that that idea has been floated. I doubt it ever actually happens.

[@AutomaticComics]

Did you watch the interview? This was more than “we’re just thinking about it”

[@pcorey182]

He literally said we might consider pre screen 9.9 so it's just an idea at this point not a fact are you so gung-ho that you wanted there to be a pre-screen 9.9 cuz it really sounds like that's what you want also a sad fact is it's just a cash grab and would destroy their reputation

[@nicklichaa7957]

Big risk for it to come back at a 9.6

[@MalevolentBite]

You would probably pre screen it slabbed

[@allnovieveryday]

Buying a 9.9 is meaningless as most 9.8s on the market have zero flaws. They graded them that way for decades, then suddenly decided to change what a perfect score was. The equity losers will be people investing in 9.9 and 10.0s.

[@bend1841]

CGC encapsulates comics, they evidently don’t grade them

[@MarklovesAngels]

Smart move of CGC to engage in this distraction. I like reading comic books. Staring at front and back covers is of no interest to me.

[@fitnessabcvideo]

..... And there i thought comic books were pamphlets for reading and enjoying artwork. Just saying.

[@loki2stunt]

It's called a scam...... I don't get you guys. It's right in front of your face.

[@MalevolentBite]

That's why it's a scam. Most people willingly send their money for most scams. The best scams are fueled by greed. People want a 9.9 thinking they can sell the book for more money. There is no difference from the berny mandoff scam. When everyone submits books for 9.9. Just come right behind them and buy raws or 9.6s for cheap.

[@tough_book]

I hope they don’t do this and turn the 9.9 into the new 9.8….cause it would take away the mystique away from it and the unicorn. Like should be very very very very hard to achieve. Also…if there’s 9.8s that are 9.9s…how didn’t it get a 9.9 from the expert graders? Just saying Also who’s to say cgc won’t just start giving out 9.9s here and there lol. Like someone sends in alot of 9.8s…they could gift someone a 9.9. Just business

[@jerrywangzinger8483]

9.99

[@karlb10024]

think your analysis is dead on.

[@pk3739]

You comic folks take all this grading wayyyyyyy to seriously and think way to deep into all this. Just so much dooms day thinking. Remember, this is just another persons opinion. On any given day, the grade can change 🤷‍♂️

[@AutomaticComics]

I know there are people that think it's stupid that a 9.8, 9.9, 10.0 exist. But the fact is, enough people do care that it matters. It matters enough to people that they're willing to pay $40,000 for a 9.9 of new mutants 98 vs $1,300 for a 9.8. So that 0.1 makes a bigger difference than all the other numbers below it with respect to value. I've seen comments where guys say "no one should spend more than $3 on a comic". That's fine, you can live your collecting life that way, that's their choice. But there are a lot of people that spend a lot of money on comics and the grade ultimately matters. The census ultimately matters. So even if it's not important to you, that doesn't mean it's not important to someone else.

[@pk3739]

I understand and am not telling anybody how to hobby. Maybe it’s cause I’m on the outside looking in at surface level…but it appears comic hobbyists let CGC sorta ruin their hobby experience by holding you all hostage to their every move rather then just loving the hobby for what it truly is all about- the books. No grading company dictates lives on the sports card side in the same way CGC does most of you, just interesting to me is all.

[@AutomaticComics]

If you’re coming at this from a sports cards perspective, I would say it’s very very similar to a black label 10 from Beckett. It’s like what would happen to prices of Beckett graded cards if all of a sudden, Beckett started flooding the market with black label 10s? I can guarantee that card collectors would be losing their minds because now their gold label 9.5s/10s instantly lose value and the few rare black label 10s drop significantly. That’s really what is potentially happening here if this change goes into place.

[@pk3739]

I understand what you’re saying and what’s happening. I honestly think you all just need more competition in the grading space for comics. Then you won’t constantly be held hostage to every CGC decision or change that takes place and have to stress/speculate endlessly. Just vote with your wallet instead. We have what we call the big 4 so when one does something stupid we send elsewhere. They are all very credible and competent.

[@AutomaticComics]

@@pk3739 I don’t disagree that competition would be good. But it’s really not going to happen. It’s almost no different than PSA. They have a similar stranglehold on card grading. You say there are a big 4. But PSA has a 75% market share from what I’ve seen. That means the other guys are effectively nothing. CGC has about a 90-95% market share. So it’s even more extreme. PSA grades a vast majority of cards and as a result on average sell for more (outside of rare cases like black label BGS 10s). It’s the same with CGC. Me, as a dealer, will never send to anyone but CGC. They sell faster and for more money across the board when graded by CGC. Plus most people (myself included) like the looks of their cases more. That’s why most people send to CGC. Why would you pay to have your comic worth less and take longer to sell? And asking someone to sacrifice their own sales numbers to try and boost the competition is never going to happen.

[@ddougherty8266]

A book could be submitted to CGC, received back as, say a 9.6. Then cracked open, and resubmitted to CGC, over and over - say 10 times in a row - and it will get grades of 9.4 two or three times, 9.6 four or five times, and 9.8 two or three times. Numerous youtube videos illustrate this randomness. CGC grades are inconsistent. People crack books out when they're not happy and resubmit them raw, just as they are, and often get back the higher grade they want. Meanwhile, these same people DON'T crack and resubmit any CGC slab that got a grade that they know is too high. The result - overgraded books stay overgraded, so, on average, CGC grades are higher than the underlying books. Those willing to pay a premium for any CGC 9.0+ book over any other 9.0+ grade are believers in the greater fool theory - that someone, down the line will believe that CGC grades are reliable - they're not - they're the luck of the draw.

[@beowulf1563]

It's going to be horrible. 9.8 - $200 9.9 - $1 MILLION DOLLARS!!!